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#21 QNoir

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    Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:13 AM

    I kind of missing the points, so you said all those from offensive end but I think PB's value is actually at another end of the floor.?

     

    As a team, Rockets just have turnover problems. Beverly protects the ball well and he actually moves it pretty well too. With him on the court, there seems to be a better probability that the team makes good passes and selects better shots. He doesn't take a lot of risks. I think it's one of his best qualities. I think Lin + Harden will be great on the offensive side. But more Harden + somebody else, or Lin + somebody else won't be great on the offensive side either. Bev is actually good for both of them.


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      Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

      The Rockets were contenders before Beverley emerged, and they are still contenders without him. There's too much talent at the top for them not to be. Offensively, not an issue. Defensively, someone, probably Harden, has to step up in the playoffs. Athletically gifted players are capable of stepping it up defensively. I remember Robert Horry basically hanging around for most of the season and then come playoff time he has 20 boards against the Spurs, and you're thinking where did THAT come from.
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        Posted 29 March 2014 - 02:00 PM

        Why do people have so much hope in Canaan.  I know its the promise land, but it took people 40 years to get there.  For better or worst, the playoffs will go thru Lin.


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        Posted 29 March 2014 - 02:42 PM

        The Rockets were contenders before Beverley emerged, and they are still contenders without him. There's too much talent at the top for them not to be. Offensively, not an issue. Defensively, someone, probably Harden, has to step up in the playoffs. Athletically gifted players are capable of stepping it up defensively. I remember Robert Horry basically hanging around for most of the season and then come playoff time he has 20 boards against the Spurs, and you're thinking where did THAT come from.

         

        I'm typically a pretty optimistic person, but hanging our playoff hopes on Harden's defense seem like a bad scenario. I don't doubt for a second that he has the physical gifts to play that end of the court well, but it seems to me like he has been checked out on defense for so long that he has lost some of the rapid reaction, automatic response type defense that is so crucial. He's missed rotations and left his man wide open so often that I have a hard time believing he can just turn it on like a faucet.

         

        With that being said, when the game slows down in the playoffs and there are less offensive and defensive possessions, maybe that will mean that Harden can afford to expend a little less energy on offense and transfer some of that energy to defense. If Lin remains aggressive and doesn't go cold from three, his increase in production and touches could lead to a slightly lower usage rate for Harden. More possessions for Howard in the post could lead to the same thing.

         

        Even with all this said, I'm still fairly pessimistic about the playoffs now. Depending on the match-up, I'll probably consider the first round a toss-up. If we reach the second round, I'll be pleasantly surprised.


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        #25 rm90025

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          Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:12 PM

          Rockets should be better without Beverley. I think their ceiling is much higher now.  I think they can reach the western conference finals, and with a little luck, the NBA finals.

           

          They'll get more productivity from Lin offensively without a major drop off defensively.  Lin's presence on the floor will help Parsons get out of his funk. He has had a bad stretch since the all star break and it correlates with Lin's reduction in minutes over the same period.  When he and Lin are on the floor together Parsons seems to score the ball at an efficient rate.  It's not a secret why that happens...Lin has very good floor general skills and knows how to make his teammates better. In addition, Casspi, Garcia and Asik will also get more minutes and each of those players is capable of impacting the game at both ends of the floor when they're in rhythm.

           

          All of these players will perform if given the opportunity to succeed. The real challenge is for Kevin McHale. He invested a lot in Beverley and now he has to rely on guys that he doesn't believe in as strongly.  He has to figure out how to put these players in a position to succeed for the benefit of the team.  


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            Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:49 PM

            I'm typically a pretty optimistic person, but hanging our playoff hopes on Harden's defense seem like a bad scenario. I don't doubt for a second that he has the physical gifts to play that end of the court well, but it seems to me like he has been checked out on defense for so long that he has lost some of the rapid reaction, automatic response type defense that is so crucial. He's missed rotations and left his man wide open so often that I have a hard time believing he can just turn it on like a faucet.

             

            With that being said, when the game slows down in the playoffs and there are less offensive and defensive possessions, maybe that will mean that Harden can afford to expend a little less energy on offense and transfer some of that energy to defense. If Lin remains aggressive and doesn't go cold from three, his increase in production and touches could lead to a slightly lower usage rate for Harden. More possessions for Howard in the post could lead to the same thing.

             

            Even with all this said, I'm still fairly pessimistic about the playoffs now. Depending on the match-up, I'll probably consider the first round a toss-up. If we reach the second round, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

            Yep, just give up all hope.  Wait till next year.

             

            Or ... every guy has gotta man up to their full potential.   Can't be whinin' n' cryin' about what coulda, shoulda ...  Move on.


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              Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:55 PM

              Does anyone remember the last game againist the Heat?  Bev did everything he could to harass Westbrook, including him challenging to fights.  The result wasn't at all  pretty.  Westbrook let up the Rockets for something like 28 points.


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                Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

                Why do people have so much hope in Canaan. I know its the promise land, but it took people 40 years to get there. For better or worst, the playoffs will go thru Lin.

                Because Canaan is a better basketball player then Jeremy Lin. Compare the college numbers of the two, Canaan is better. He is a better three point shooter, 36.0% (D-league and NBA this season) to 33.9%. Now everyone will get a chance to see it.
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                  Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:21 PM

                  Because Canaan is a better basketball player then Jeremy Lin. Compare the college numbers of the two, Canaan is better. He is a better three point shooter, 36.0% (D-league and NBA this season) to 33.9%. Now everyone will get a chance to see it.

                  College numbers?  D-league?  Seriously, NBA numbers is all that counts.  It remains to be seen how good Canaan is, but as of right now, he's rough. In time may be ...


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                    Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

                    I'm not much a Lin fan, but when people starting actually believing Canaan is better than Lin.  I have one thought...

                     

                    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAA!!!!!!!!!

                     

                    Do people who watch basketball actually believe that?  I am guessing Canaan's friends and family, but any neutral will have to lean to Lin on that one.  He's going to the running mate for Harden for the rest of the way.  Lin is a pretty good defender in his own right, but he's no Beverly.  Hell, nobody is Beverly.  Closet guard I saw play with that type of relentless body to body pressure was Gary Payton.


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                    #31 Steven

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                      Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:46 PM

                      I'm not much a Lin fan, but when people starting actually believing Canaan is better than Lin. I have one thought...

                      HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAA!!!!!!!!!

                      Do people who watch basketball actually believe that? I am guessing Canaan's friends and family, but any neutral will have to lean to Lin on that one. He's going to the running mate for Harden for the rest of the way. Lin is a pretty good defender in his own right, but he's no Beverly. Hell, nobody is Beverly. Closet guard I saw play with that type of relentless body to body pressure was Gary Payton.

                      Some of us, who actually watched him in college, have been saying it since the Rockets drafted him. If the money was reversed, Canaan would have been the backup all year. He has 10 games to sink or swim. I could be right, I could be wrong. His play on the court will determine it. I'm still saying game 1 of the playoffs, Canaan will be the starting PG.
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                        Posted 30 March 2014 - 11:07 AM

                        It's possible, but for him to start in a playoff game this late in the season probably means either Lin gets injured and he steps in or he gets a superficial start, meaning that he's on the court at tip-off, then gets sub off fairly quickly, playing little minutes a.k.a. 'The Kendrick Perkins rule'.


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                        Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:01 PM

                        @Steven

                        I agree Canaan is a better basketball player from what I have seen (small sample size).  this may turn out to be a case where a player gets his chance and grabs it and refuses to turn loose much the same way Parsons took Buddinger's job a couple years ago.


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                        you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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                          Posted 31 March 2014 - 02:15 AM

                          Canaan didn't look too bad last night, all things considered.  Way too small of a sample size to determine if he's going to be a regular rotation player, but he looked great early when they were leading.  The one thing I love to see players is how they react when everything starts to fall apart.  Do they fight harder, get frustrated, whine, body language, all that nonsense.  He seemed to show a very buddha like stoicism that is a good thing to see from a young player.

                           

                          However, he still has a little D-League Rio Grande Viper in him still with his defense, but that can be worked out over time, I imagine with constant reinforcement.  This kid might be the next Nate Robinson in his Bulls/NY days or possible Vinnie Johnson.


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                          #35 Steven

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                            Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:11 AM

                            Welcome on the bandwagon Baller93.
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                            Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:24 AM

                            @Steven

                            if Canaan starts to play well it might get a little crowded on the bandwagon. however I'm going to save a couple of seats for ex-LOF's :lol: somebody gotta look out for them :lol:


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                            you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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                              Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:33 AM

                              We know Canaan can shoot, he will never be a very good defender because of his size and limited athleticism but if he can at least learn the system and limit turnovers on offense he should fit in just fine.


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                              Posted 31 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

                              I'm not on board yet...but I like what I see so far.


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                                Posted 31 March 2014 - 05:38 PM

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                                After suffering a torn meniscus in right knee, Houston's Patrick Beverley won't need surgery and will return this season, sources tell Y.


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                                Posted 31 March 2014 - 05:52 PM

                                YEEEEEEEEEEEES...........that's the best news of the day :)


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