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[timetodienow1234567]

Where did you get that amount for Rondo?

[rockets best fan]

Rondo's salary next year is only 12.9 mil. he is only able to receive a percentage raise of about 1.2 mil from his last contract. however even if he were allowed to receive more it's unlikely he would draw more on the open market. PG's simply don't cost as much as some of the other positions can command

[timetodienow1234567]

I thought that was only from one year of a contract to the next. I don't think that applies to new contracts.

[Buckko]

I would take bosh over melo because he's a much better defensive player, can play C, and is experienced as a third wheel.

[Buckko]

I have to admit my all time dream big 3 in a few years would be harden, durant, Anthony Davis. Would arguably be in the top 3 of big 3s of all time.

 

Showtime lakers and Bird's celtics are top 2, but I think the third group is debatable.

[rockets best fan]

@TTDN you are correct. I checked wording in the CBA. Rondo can receive 30% of the cap as a salary, however he's unlikely to draw that even in free agency. he is coming off an injury and has an injury history. if he stays healthy next year, I could see him commanding something like 15 mil per. however even if healthy he is unlikely to get a penny over that.

[rockets best fan]

@Buckko

not me. my all time big three is already set. if I could pick any three players from history to form a big three, I would take DREAM, MAGIC and BIRD

[Buckko]

@Buckko

not me. my all time big three is already set. if I could pick any three players from history to form a big three, I would take DREAM, MAGIC and BIRD

I'm talking present and possibly. Not to mention if that supposed clyde/Sampson trade went down, the rockets would have had the greatest dynasty since Russell, if we're talking theoretical past.

 

 

I would not pay rondo around 15 million unless he got that 3pt shot above average.

Edited by Buckko, 04 April 2014 - 06:17 AM.

[rockets best fan]

@Journeymany

if you want to discuss this subject............I am more than game. I bought this thread back up just for the purpose of doing so if you wish. notice when it was written and the finer points covered during the discussion

[Journeymany]

@Journeymany

if you want to discuss this subject............I am more than game. I bought this thread back up just for the purpose of doing so if you wish. notice when it was written and the finer points covered during the discussion

 

Hehe - just saw it. Fair points, but I think the big problem is that in cases 1) and 2) from your original post, the players we'd get back are guys like Bargnani, Wallace, or Josh Smith - ie, players we wouldn't want anyway, especially with their longer contracts. Case 3) could possibly apply to the Lakers as they'd want to make a run at 2015 free agents and wouldn't mind the price. 

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone has ever said it's impossible to move Lin / Asik. I do think it's highly improbable that we move them on our  terms without surrendering something the other team wants as well.

[rockets best fan]

@Journeymany

on points 1 and 2 I would have to disagree with the assumption we must absorb a bad contract. I used an example earlier in this thread with Orlando and A-Affalo. Affalo has 1 year at 7.5 mil left on his contract with another player option at 7.5 mil the year after that. total 15 mil over the next two years. Orlando was looking to trade Affalo at the trade deadline because both parties already know they don't have a future together. he doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team and they will not become good fast enough to keep him from leaving in FA. they want to cash in the trade chip. Lin has one year left at 15 mil, but only 8.3 mil showing on the cap. their contracts have the same money value, but Orlando can remove Affalo from their cap figure a year earlier without it showing on next years cap and get additional assets in the swap (aka draft pick). it was rumored at the deadline Orlando was interested in a first rounder in this years draft (because of how deep it was), but they found no takers. Houston could easily pull the trigger on this deal if there is something left on the board at 25 that Orlando likes. Orlando doesn't need Lin talent wise, but the flexibility his contract would give them can help them take a step forward............NOW I'M NOT SAYING Affalo should be our target and he likely isn't high on our list at this point, but this example can play out with several other players throughout the league in similar situations.  

[Journeymany]

@rbf

I see what you're saying, and I think your Lin / Afflalo case is a perfect example of the kind of player and contract we would be offered, but that actually is in total worse than what we have. Mainly because of the contracts having player options, which Morey seems to dislike intensely, or just being longer. That basically puts us out of contention for 2015 FA.

 

So, if your 1) or 2) comes to pass, it has to be a trade for a player that Morey either plans to keep, or thinks is valuable enough to be trade-worthy before end of season 2015, as far as I can tell?

[rockets best fan]

@Journeymany

I don't think the  Rockets are waiting for 2015 any longer. the two main targets (LMA and Love) will have their fates decided by then. they will make their move this summer because of the talent available. cap room is only good if there are players worth signing. the 2015 class will be depleted without LMA and Love headlining it. however this summers crop is loaded with talent and not only that, but attainable talent. that says to me there is a high probability the Rockets will make their move this summer especially since the owner has already promised to bring in a terrific player.

 

I also don't believe player options will deter Morey from making a move. he gave Garcia a players option which means while he may be opposed to them he doesn't consider them deal breakers

[Chichos]

Realistically the only way to get rid of Lin & Asik is to have a little help.  Luckily we have Sam Hinkie in Philly who doesn't care who he pisses off if he is achieving his organizational goals.  In this trade I acquired Young from Philly to replace the outgoing Motie and Jones.  I know he was available last year, unfortunately Philly might not be gunning to lose again this year so he might be off the board.  I addressed that in the 2nd trade.

 

So the question becomes, Can you get Melo to take 1.5M less to force a sign and trade with the Rockets.

 

http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=mwpb72f 

 

Assuming we can't get Young I replaced him with Jason Richardson and Arnette Moultrie... I really don't like this trade as much, but it technically works.

 

http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=lsotcvy

 

Either trade leaves us with an empty roster spot or two for Daryl Morey specials (D league call ups) and our first round pick.  We will be way into salary cap hell but hey offense won't be the problem.

[thejohnnygold]

.....and this is why they should require a license to drive the trade machine 

 

I'm kidding Chichos, but seriously....do you honestly think that New York makes that trade?  Are you accounting for the fact that Garcia is opting out and not available for trade?  You traded 7 of our players for Melo and Thad Young....I'm sorry, but New York is not trading a 24 oz. bone in ribeye steak for a plate of White Castle sliders.

 

Also, I think we can count the 76ers out for Asik.  They want to bring Noel along and having Asik crowds that position.

 

I think this trade is more likely as a potential trade with New York receiving some draft picks as well and Boston might throw in one of it's young centers for NY as well.

 

TRADE  It gives them a PG upgrade (and fan favorite back), a SF who can replace most of Melo's scoring duties and a PF in Jones who can play behind Stoudemire for another year or two (and start while he's hurt) while he finishes developing his game.

[rockets best fan]

@Chichos/JG

what's up with trying to trade away T-Jones? I would much rather our NY trade look like this

Houston = Melo

Boston = Asik

NY = Lin + Houston's 2014 First + Houston's 2016 first + Brooklyn 2016 first via Boston

 

this allows us to keep max talent. considering what our regular season records are likely to be, our 1st rounder's aren't all that valuable to anyone except NY..............a team without any first rounder's to speak of. this moves Asik to  the east and ends my J-Lin torture  can't ask for better than that IMO

[Buckko]

Can't do a S&T, even with melo's contract off, the nicks are still a few million over the salary cap.

You could try.

Asik to Boston 

Demo, Lin, 25th pick to 76ers

Nets 2016 pick to houston with near max salary to sign a star FA.

[rockets best fan]

@Buckko

incorrect........NY can do  a sign and trade with Melo........they just can't receive a sign and traded player while over the luxury tax apron

[Buckko]

Did the math, ya its possible.

[Chichos]

.....and this is why they should require a license to drive the trade machine 

 

I'm kidding Chichos, but seriously....do you honestly think that New York makes that trade?  Are you accounting for the fact that Garcia is opting out and not available for trade?  You traded 7 of our players for Melo and Thad Young....I'm sorry, but New York is not trading a 24 oz. bone in ribeye steak for a plate of White Castle sliders.

 

Also, I think we can count the 76ers out for Asik.  They want to bring Noel along and having Asik crowds that position.

 

I think this trade is more likely as a potential trade with New York receiving some draft picks as well and Boston might throw in one of it's young centers for NY as well.

 

TRADE  It gives them a PG upgrade (and fan favorite back), a SF who can replace most of Melo's scoring duties and a PF in Jones who can play behind Stoudemire for another year or two (and start while he's hurt) while he finishes developing his game.

That is a significantly better trade.  I still doubt it is one New York or Boston would make though.  I think this is just highlighting how damn hard it must be to get things done when every team involved has to "win" the trade.

 

I agree with everyone's assessment that these trades are outlandish.  I operated under the assumption that no deal would get done without a solid from another team.  I think JG did the same thing by using Boston.  I would guess some draft picks would be thrown in to get any deal to work as well.