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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 03 February 2012 - 08:28 PM

    I wanted to create a place where we could discuss hypothetical trade scenarios, with the deadline approaching. We know the Rockets will make some sort of deal; they always have since Morey took over the team.

    The first rumored deal obviously pertains to Chris Kaman. That would make this team a load in the playoffs, in my opinion.

    Another potential target is Deron Williams. Might the Nets be willing to unload him? Kyle Lowry's recent slump doesn't help matters any on this front.
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      Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:34 AM

      How do the bulls feel about rip hamilton at the two? I know they were interested in lee last year and I've heard they're interested in martin this year (they could use the offense).
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        Posted 04 February 2012 - 01:52 AM

        Martin would fit that team so perfectly its ridiculous. Thibs could easily hide him with various schemes on the defensive end. The problem is that they have nothing to offer us in trade. Forget about them giving up Noah; they didn't even make him available for Carmelo last year. Asik and Gibson don't make enough and I can't see Morey taking them anyway for Martin.
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        Posted 04 February 2012 - 05:23 PM

        I hope Houston won't be trying to get Deron Williams. I know he's an all-star caliber PG, but I just plain don't like his guts. That ugly stuff with Jerry Sloan last year? I don't want this in the Rockets locker room.
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          Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

          I hope Houston won't be trying to get Deron Williams. I know he's an all-star caliber PG, but I just plain don't like his guts. That ugly stuff with Jerry Sloan last year? I don't want this in the Rockets locker room.

          That was one of the weirdest things I can ever remember in that not only did they trade Deron but they also canned the coach. Usually one guy wins out and stays. Bizarre.
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            Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:28 PM

            I guess the Pau Gasol rumors are back in full force. Who here would be willing to part with Dragic (along with Martin and Scola) for Pau Gasol?
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            Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:46 PM

            I guess the Pau Gasol rumors are back in full force. Who here would be willing to part with Dragic (along with Martin and Scola) for Pau Gasol?


            Not I. Already expressed myself concerning this situation in a comment but it feels too much for Pau. This is a different trade than the vetoed one where there was a more legit chance we could have gotten Pau/Nene and Hayes. I know Dalembert has played good (to great) at times but it isn't the same. If Morey is able to pair up Pau with another all-star before the trade deadline (preferably someone who is a level above him) then I would feel more comfortable. But this is 31yr old Pau. While he is a definite upgrade over Scola, he seems to either be in some decline or funk. Put it this way, the upgrade from Scola to Pau is the equivalent of going from Dragic to Lowry in my mind. Is that jump worth Dragic, Martin and Scola together? Maybe. I rather keep Martin. In the least, at least keep Dragic. Give them Flynn. They were interested in him for some reason.
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              Posted 13 February 2012 - 05:52 AM

              I wouldn't bite on the revisited Gasol trade. The fact that he wasn't named an All-Star speaks volumes about the drop-off of the Lakers. I wouldn't herald him as the Rockets' savior, especially for the players being given up to acquire him.
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                Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:26 PM

                you guys dont get it, morey wants pau bc dwight wants to play with him!
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                  Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:31 PM

                  I guess the Pau Gasol rumors are back in full force. Who here would be willing to part with Dragic (along with Martin and Scola) for Pau Gasol?


                  I'm all for it. I personally think Gasol is a big upgrade over Scola. Pau's recent decline in production could be due to the team make-up currently or even coach Brown's system and style. Wouldn't be too upset about losing Martin. Even when he's on, due to his defensive deficiencies, it ends up amounting to a trading of buckets against any worthwhile 2. Lee is more than capable of starting on this team and brings a bigger impact on the defensive end without giving up too much offensively. Bud could even be effective picking up some extra minutes at the 2. Dragic would be the biggest loss in this deal and we'd need to have somebody ready to replace him how and who? I don't know. But if getting Pau will help us entice a bigger name like DH, then I'm all for it. Such a acquisition would have our team moving in the right direction.
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                    Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:59 PM

                    I like dealing for Gasol, but I'd rather not give up Lowry. Unfortuately, I think that's the only thing the Lakers want.

                    The best part about getting Gasol is it becomes an easy transistion to bottom out, when he gets too old.
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                      Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:27 AM

                      Hey guys! New to the forum, but I wanted to get your potential thoughts on a three way trade.

                      http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=7rpsbce

                      This would get the Wolves the SG they desperately need. The Rockets would get Pau and a replacement for Dragic. The Lakers would get the PG they desperately need, a serviceable replacement for Pau, and an upgrade offensively at the SF position (also its 8.4 mil that come off the books at the end of the season if the Lakers don't resign Dragic or Beasley). I figure some picks from Minny and maybe some cash from the Rockets to make it more palatable for the Lakers. Thoughts?
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                      #13 Rahat Huq

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                        Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:34 PM

                        Hey guys! New to the forum, but I wanted to get your potential thoughts on a three way trade.

                        http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=7rpsbce

                        This would get the Wolves the SG they desperately need. The Rockets would get Pau and a replacement for Dragic. The Lakers would get the PG they desperately need, a serviceable replacement for Pau, and an upgrade offensively at the SF position (also its 8.4 mil that come off the books at the end of the season if the Lakers don't resign Dragic or Beasley). I figure some picks from Minny and maybe some cash from the Rockets to make it more palatable for the Lakers. Thoughts?

                        I can't make up my mind on this or any other Gasol trade. What made the summer manifestation so huge was that it brought Nene as well. But for just Gasol? I'm not completely sure. It would kill our depth. Not to mention that Dragic has been one of our best players this season. But Gasol represents a huge talent upgrade over anything we have. The team would finally have a sure-fire All-Star.

                        Would you all prefer a Gasol trade (for Martin, Scola, Dragic) or a Kaman trade, if all the Kaman trade costed us was the draft busts and some other throw-in?
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                          Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:36 PM

                          Also, the other issues with Gasol/Dragic:

                          *will the team be able to afford Dragic this summer? He's restricted, but would they be willing to match?
                          *Would getting Gasol make the team more appealing to Howard? A lineup of Gasol-Parsons-Howard-Lee-Lowry would win the West, in my opinion. But would Howard see it that way?
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                            Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:46 PM

                            Personally, I prefer going after Gasol. He gives us another 7 footer and some versatility on our front line as well as a good offensive talent. I could see several really solid rotations plus I really like the starting 5 it would give.

                            Starters:
                            PG Lowry
                            SG Lee
                            SF Parsons
                            PF Gasol
                            C Dalembert

                            This rotation would let you do a lot of what you currently do with the current starters (minus the Martin isos). It also would be much better defensively as you now have 3 really good wing defenders in Lowry, Lee, and Parsons plus you have another 7 footer to clog the paint. Would also improve rebounding as Scola has not been that good of a rebounder recently.

                            You could have Ridnour, Budinger, and Patterson fill out the 8 man rotation with a depth chart that looks as such.

                            Lowry/Ridnour
                            Lee/Williams
                            Parsons/Budinger
                            Gasol/Patterson
                            Dalembert/Hill

                            Plus you get some good front court rotations although you do see some loss of depth at the guard position. You could have a Dalembert/Patterson front court for defensive means (like end of OKC). Gasol could pair with Patterson and provide you with a pretty potent offensive front court.
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                              Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

                              Also, the other issues with Gasol/Dragic:

                              *will the team be able to afford Dragic this summer? He's restricted, but would they be willing to match?
                              *Would getting Gasol make the team more appealing to Howard? A lineup of Gasol-Parsons-Howard-Lee-Lowry would win the West, in my opinion. But would Howard see it that way?


                              Here is my take on all of that. Dragic is going to be due a very hefty contract because so many clubs are aching for a PG. I don't think you can pay him what he is due without severely handicapping yourself. As for getting Howard to come, I would think that would make us more appealing but you never know what these players are thinking. I think going after Kaman, while giving you cap room, doesn't really increase your chances of garnering Howards attention.
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                                Posted 17 February 2012 - 04:20 PM

                                I am not sure what the rumored trades have been for Kaman, but what if after the Gasol trade, we turned around and made a trade for Kaman? Trade something like Dalembert (would have to occur after March 1st), Hill, Flynn, Morris. That would leave us with Thabeet's expiring 5 mil and Williams expiring 2 mil plus Kaman's expiring 14 mil (21 mil coming off the books).

                                For NO, Dalembert has been playing really well and only has another year on his contract plus that gives them young talent in Hill (who has shown some improvement) and Morris (who is stuck in a log jam at both PF and SF position with Gasol, Patterson, Parsons, Bud) and Flynn (who may turn into something...who knows).

                                *Edit* Also of note, Dalembert's second year is a team option so he could be bought out by NO for 1.5 mil
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                                #18 Rahat Huq

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                                  Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:49 AM

                                  I am not sure what the rumored trades have been for Kaman, but what if after the Gasol trade, we turned around and made a trade for Kaman? Trade something like Dalembert (would have to occur after March 1st), Hill, Flynn, Morris. That would leave us with Thabeet's expiring 5 mil and Williams expiring 2 mil plus Kaman's expiring 14 mil (21 mil coming off the books).

                                  For NO, Dalembert has been playing really well and only has another year on his contract plus that gives them young talent in Hill (who has shown some improvement) and Morris (who is stuck in a log jam at both PF and SF position with Gasol, Patterson, Parsons, Bud) and Flynn (who may turn into something...who knows).

                                  *Edit* Also of note, Dalembert's second year is a team option so he could be bought out by NO for 1.5 mil

                                  If you got Gasol, I don't think there would be any use to getting Kaman as well, as you'd already still have Dalembert. Getting Kaman would just take away minutes from Patterson.

                                  As for your other point above, I agree with regard to Dragic - I think this is something a lot of fans are overlooking. It is not a foregone conclusion that this team would resign him.
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                                    Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:08 PM

                                    My point was if the purpose of Kaman's contract was because it was a massive expiring that lets you pursue Howard in the offseason, then you should be able to grab it if all they want is some young talent (but only if they will take Dalembert). However, the same thing could be reached without trading if the Rockets decide to not pick up Dalembert's team option too, giving you Dalembert's 7 mil, Thabeet's 5 mil, Flynn's 3.5 mil, Hill's 2.8 mil, and Williams 2.2 mil (totaling 20.5 mil).
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                                      Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:24 PM

                                      Don't you think we could extract more value for Dragic? I know Martin and Scola are down, but Dragic is young and hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

                                      I think Gasol is on the downturn. Who's to say he doesn't turn into Luis Scola next year? Especially if he doesn't have a superstar on the perimeter?

                                      We already have a near allstar - Lowry. Why would we trade for another near allstar (put me in the camp that no longer thinks Gasol is an allstar)?
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