116 replies to this topic

[Cooper]

Really? OK, who? Remember, T Jones is on a rookie contract.

Dion waiters, Jordan Crawford, shumpert, tony wroten, Terrance Ross, nick young, cj mcollum, Alec burks.

[HazeWinkle]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Trade Harden HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Buckko]

I love harden for all that he gives us and wouldn't trade him outside of durant and lebron but that sissy crap he pulls and lays on the ground when he turns it over and tries to act like he got fouled irritates the crap out of me. You're too good to be crying on the floor so get up and be a man and play.

[rocketrick]

There are NUMEROUS times Harden is fouled hard going to the basket and no call is made. The Rockets are more effective, in my opinion, with Harden and Parsons and Lin willing to sacrifice their body by taking hard fouls in the lane. However, in the NBA, the refs aren't going to call each and every foul regardless if it's a hard foul or not. Harden's driving skills is what allows him to get more open outside shots, too, as opposing defensive players on him don't want him driving to the hole each and everytime.

 

Still, I agree, I want my team to fight for each and every possession on both ends of the court and spend less time complaining to the refs, laying on the floor after a hard foul (or not). The 1993-95 Rockets played through a bunch of non-calls and were just relentless the whole game. I believe the heartache of the prior couple of seasons (particularly the Game 7 loss to Seattle in the Western Finals) made them tougher. Time and experience should help the current Rockets team get better and smarter.

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 11:47 AM.

[rocketrick]

Dion waiters, Jordan Crawford, shumpert, tony wroten, Terrance Ross, nick young, cj mcollum, Alec burks.

To be honest, I wouldn't be rushing to re-up my season tickets if the Rockets move Harden and end up with one of these guys you listed as our starting SG (2). Most have below average shooting averages to boot. Waiters and Shumpert can fill it up but each has attitude issues. McCollum hasn't even played a single minute in the NBA due to injury.

 

Besides, most of these guys aren't even on the trading block anyway.

[Mario Peña]

I love harden for all that he gives us and wouldn't trade him outside of durant and lebron but that sissy crap he pulls and lays on the ground when he turns it over and tries to act like he got fouled irritates the crap out of me. You're too good to be crying on the floor so get up and be a man and play.

Fans on a forum calling an NBA players's actions "sissy crap" is pretty laughable. Please elevate your level of standards when writing your criticism.

Also, this talk of trading Harden is something I can't even digest so I personally find it uninteresting but each unto their own.

[rocketrick]

Could easily trade jones for a competent SG if that situation ever arose.

However you failed to mention that D12, Love, Aldridge and Davis are completely unable to create the necessary offense, when needed, for their own shot.

 

Which is why players like James Harden are that much more vital and important when it comes to the NBA playoffs.

 

Yes, a few of the traits that James Harden has shown thus far (hero-ball, defensive lapses) bothers me. However, he is just 24 and this is simply part of the growing pains of ultimately having a real opportunity of becoming a champion in the NBA.

 

I am simply aghast at the idea of already giving up on Harden.

 

Perhaps more evidence of the Wall Street mantra of the current and next quarter being the most important reason for the price of stocks that seems to have invaded our overall views of society, etc. Short term thinking just isn't going to be a recipe for success in the NBA. Never has, never will.

 

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 02:33 PM.

[Cooper]

Trading harden for Davis would be long term thinking Davis is really really good and plays both ends of the floor. He's a future MVP candidate and I doubt harden ever rounds out his game enough to be. I'm not for a willy billy dump of harden he's still a top 5 offensive player but there's a few guys you trade him for.

[rocketrick]

How does Anthony Davis help us compete for a championship in the next 3-4 years? He's a nice player, no doubt, and would be a good replacement eventually for D12. However, a true contender needs players like a Harden that can create their own shot in the playoffs (plus there's this fact that Harden gets to the free throw line more frequently than most because of his ability to create his own shot or make the right pass).

[rocketrick]

Trading harden for Davis would be long term thinking Davis is really really good and plays both ends of the floor. He's a future MVP candidate and I doubt harden ever rounds out his game enough to be. I'm not for a willy billy dump of harden he's still a top 5 offensive player but there's a few guys you trade him for.

If you're already doubting Harden when he is only 24, for sure you will likely also doubt Davis and the next guy, and the next guy, at that age.

[PKM]

Really? OK, who? Remember, T Jones is on a rookie contract.

Morey's already demonstrated that he can balance out a roster.  If a Harden for Anthony Davis trade actually occurred, I would not be seriously worried about it.  Of course, such a discussion is purely theoretical - as I stated earlier, the idea that we would trade Harden merits nothing more serious than derisive laughter. 

[rocketrick]

Won't ever happen because of Anthony Davis rookie contract. Why do we even bother to discuss such unrealistic possibilities? Take a breath,take a deep breath now.

[Cooper]

Trading harden for Davis would be long term thinking Davis is really really good and plays both ends of the floor. He's a future MVP candidate and I doubt harden ever rounds out his game enough to be. I'm not for a willy billy dump of harden he's still a top 5 offensive player but there's a few guys you trade him for.

[rocketrick]

If you're already doubting Harden when he is only 24, for sure you will likely also doubt Davis and the next guy, and the next guy, at that age.

I'm pretty good at repeating the same argument, too.

 

----- See Above --------

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 04:18 PM.

[rocketrick]

How does Anthony Davis help us compete for a championship in the next 3-4 years? He's a nice player, no doubt, and would be a good replacement eventually for D12. However, a true contender needs players like a Harden that can create their own shot in the playoffs (plus there's this fact that Harden gets to the free throw line more frequently than most because of his ability to create his own shot or make the right pass).

......see above

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 04:14 PM.

[rocketrick]

Won't ever happen because of Anthony Davis rookie contract. Why do we even bother to discuss such unrealistic possibilities? Take a breath,take a deep breath now.

and .........see above

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[Cooper]

Harden isn't a bad defender because he's only 24. Giving up on harden would be cutting him trading for a better player isn't giving up.

Edited by Cooper, 04 January 2014 - 05:24 PM.

[rocketrick]

Harden isn't a bad defender because he's only 24. Giving up on harden would be cutting him trading for a better player isn't giving up.

Why do I even bother to respond?

When is the last time that an NBA team cut a player that averages 24 points per game, 5 assists per game and 4 rebounds per game at age 24??????

You just stated that "giving up on Harden" would mean cutting him.

That is absolutely ridiculous and even you have to admit that.

Then you stated "trading Harden isn't giving up on him"

True.

We just don't agree on the players (LeBron and Paul George and that's pretty much it dude, in my opinion).

IF, and it's a big IF, the Pacers make it to the Finals, Paul George's deficiency's on the offensive end vs. Harden's known offensive skills will be laid bare.

So I'm not even convinced at this moment that Paul George for James Harden would be a positive trade for the Rockets hopes for a Championship in the next 3-4 years.

Edited by rocketrick, 04 January 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[thejohnnygold]

Firstly, I do agree that Harden still has lots of room to both improve his game and mature as a player and person.

 

Looking at it from a personnel standpoint, I would trade Harden for an elite PG--and I do mean elite.  Chris Paul (although his injuries are piling up I still think he is the best bet at PG in the league).  Steph Curry.  After that, I might be willing to gamble on John Wall or Michael Carter-Williams.  (although the contract disparity makes those trades tough)  That's about it.  Harden has got flaws, but it is a short list of guys who you trade him for.  I'm really high on Jones and Parsons and don't think upgrades at those positions would yield the same long-term benefits as they are both on course for All-Star Games down the road.  Yup, the Rockets have some future all-stars and two current ones.

 

I think this makes the team better because it moves Lin back to his natural position which should enhance his value some as it should decrease his propensity to turn the ball over and also put him on slightly bigger/slower guys on defense which I think suits him as well.  Offensively, their will be some drop off from Harden to Lin, but I think the overall benefits outweigh the loss here.

 

The use of Harden/Lin as our "ball-handling scoring guards" is a double-edged sword and it remains to be seen how good it can be.  I am happy to ride it out and see as I believe in our GM's vision and the coaching staff.  In the meantime, we will have to take the good with the bad--yes, they can score at will at times, but their ability to set up their teammates is limited (they make spectacular passes at times, but I see more poor ones than great ones) and they will turn the ball over more than is desirable.

 

I know and agree that they are still learning to play together and all of this may become a thing of the past.  We have certainly seen improvements from Lin, Jones, Parsons and Howard.  I'm actually very excited to see where we are at around the 60-65 game mark.  I anticipate very good things.

[thenit]

Fans on a forum calling an NBA players's actions "sissy crap" is pretty laughable. Please elevate your level of standards when writing your criticism.
Also, this talk of trading Harden is something I can't even digest so I personally find it uninteresting but each unto their own.

No one is demanding a trade of harden unless a ridiculous sweet offer came to us. It's just fans commenting on the writers surprise statement. It's just a discussion to see what he actual is worth. You don't give up on your best player after 1 season and 3 months.

This is not a serious petition to oust anyone

Edited by thenit, 04 January 2014 - 09:32 PM.