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Marc Stein: Magic would prefer to bring back multiple established veterans in Howard trade


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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 29 December 2011 - 01:13 AM

    http://espn.go.com/b...want-for-dwight

    Precisely when the Orlando Magic might be willing to trade Dwight Howard is not yet clear.

    It's obviously not going to happen fast enough for New Jersey Nets fans, who serenaded their team with chants of "We Want Howard" during a humbling home defeat to the Atlanta Hawks at the Prudential Center on Tuesday night.

    In the Nets' home opener.

    However ...

    There is at least a fairly clear sense out there about what the Magic would eventually want in exchange for Howard if they decide, as widely expected between now and the March 15 deadline, to make sure they get something for their face of the franchise as opposed to risking the possibility that the Team USA center bolts Orlando in July with nothing coming back in return, just like a certain TNT analyst did in the Olympic summer of 1996.

    Sources familiar with Orlando's thinking say that a picture of what the Magic will ultimately expect in return for their anchor has indeed begun to emerge, telling ESPN.com this week that Orlando would not hold out for youth and draft picks as the league-owned New Orleans Hornets were ordered to do in the Chris Paul sweepstakes. The Magic, sources say, would instead prefer to bring back multiple established veterans who can keep the team competitive.

    Reason being: Orlando has moved into a new arena last season and has a 85-year-old owner in Rich De Vos. Sources say De Vos has little interest in starting over/rebuilding, as evidenced by the recent decisions to trade for Glen "Big Baby" Davis and re-sign Jason Richardson even though Howard's future is so murky.

    The trade proposal for Howard that advanced the farthest to date -- before Magic GM Otis Smith publicly announced that he's not ready to part with his 26-year-old star -- would have delivered Nets center Brook Lopez, Portland Trail Blazers swingman Gerald Wallace and at least one first-round pick to Orlando while also seeing the Nets absorb the long-term contracts of Hedo Turkoglu and Chris Duhon for the right to take Dwight with them to Brooklyn.

    Sources told ESPN.com that the aforementioned Hawks, meanwhile, engaged Orlando in trade talks for Howard earlier this month with an offer believed to be headlined by $124 million guard Joe Johnson and swingman Josh Smith. You have to figure that the Magic, though, would insist on Al Horford if such discussions ever got serious.

    The Hawks are not on Howard's short list of preferred trade destinations alongside the Nets, Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks, even though Atlanta is his hometown. That's presumably because Howard wants no part of Atlanta's perpetually unsettled ownership situation. The Hawks nonetheless took the risk of pursuing Howard anyway and, according to sources, felt like they were making some semblance of progress before the Magic shut down talks.

    Yet it appears that the Magic, as the Orlando Sentinel reported earlier this month, are inclined to wait until closer to the trading deadline before making a move to keep open the possibility that Howard has a change of heart and consents to a contract extension that prevents him from reaching free agency.

    It remains to be seen if Orlando will win enough in the short term to stay patient, but it's a stance the Magic believe they can afford to take because, as Smith told the Sentinel's Josh Robbins: “I don’t think there’s anything on the table that won’t be on the table three months from now."

    Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, has formal permission from the Magic to discuss trade possibilities with the three teams (Nets, Lakers and Mavs) atop Howard's wish list. The strongest signals in circulation indicate that Howard has the Nets in the top spot on that list, since that would allow him to play alongside fellow All-Star Deron Williams, move with the Nets to Brooklyn starting next season and -- perhaps as important as anything, one source maintains -- hush the criticism about following Shaquille O'Neal's career script too closely by choosing to spurn the Lakers instead of joining them.

    Yet I have heard from multiple teams observing the Dwight Sweepstakes suggest that the best offer Orlando is likely to see could be a three-way deal reminiscent of the trade construction that the Lakers and Houston Rockets hatched in their near-trade for CP3 that was ultimately vetoed by NBA commissioner David Stern in his role as the Hornets' stand-in owner.

    If the Lakers reach the point that they're willing to give up both Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol in a three-way Dwight deal with the Rockets, Orlando could conceivably come away with Bynum, Luis Scola and Kevin Martin, with Gasol landing in Houston as he would have in the original Paul trade. That would undoubtedly be a strong trio to start over with, in addition to shedding Turkoglu and perhaps Duhon, who are both signed through the 2013-14 season at a combined cost of roughly $45 million.

    But here's the thing: L.A. might not get to that point. If the Lakers are unwilling to give up both Bynum and Gasol, as some insiders suggest, that trade concept will never progress to an active discussion.

    Complicating things further, of course, is the recent foot injury suffered by the Nets' Lopez, whose best attribute -- if you're comparing him to Bynum – had been his durability until this setback. It's anyone's guess now as to whether Lopez will be healthy enough to include in a trade package if/when the Magic are finally ready to deal … or if New Jersey will have to try to rope in an additional team or two to assemble an offer good enough to trump the Lakers and any other team willing to gamble on Howard without him committed to re-signing and win the race to DH12.


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    Posted 01 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

    So there is still the chance of Pau coming to Houston?? Feels different this time,.since.Nene is off the market now. Also if I was Orlando I'd jump to have Scola, Martin, Bynum to go along with Nelson. They still will be competitive and I don't see them doing much better than this scenario...
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      Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:34 PM

      It's looking a lot like Howard and Williams want to team up like LeBron,Wade and Bosh did.

      But suppose the Lakers and Magic do decide to make a trade. There's little reason why Orlando should prefer Scola and Martin over Gasol.
      But imagine they do. Should Houston do it?

      It would resolve the Martin/Lee problem. Gasol would be a defensive upgrade and a passing upgrade and a downgrade in competitive fire and fast-breaking. But the most important impact could be in 2012. Depending on whether the Rockets want to keep Flynn and/or Williams,the Rockets would have between $16mil and $23mil in cap room. And 2012 just happens to have some intriguing potential FAs.
      Not just Dwight and Williams,but Westbrook and Eric Gordon(I assume Love will re-up in Minn). Would OKC match a max offer to Westbrook?(Gasol has shown he's happy being a #2.) Could NO match a max for Gordon?
      I would be a very,very happy fan if the Rockets could parlay Scola and Martin into Gasol and Gordon.
      So I'd imagine Houston would agree for the options it would give in 2012.
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        Posted 02 January 2012 - 05:11 AM

        It's looking a lot like Howard and Williams want to team up like LeBron,Wade and Bosh did.

        But suppose the Lakers and Magic do decide to make a trade. There's little reason why Orlando should prefer Scola and Martin over Gasol.
        But imagine they do. Should Houston do it?

        It would resolve the Martin/Lee problem. Gasol would be a defensive upgrade and a passing upgrade and a downgrade in competitive fire and fast-breaking. But the most important impact could be in 2012. Depending on whether the Rockets want to keep Flynn and/or Williams,the Rockets would have between $16mil and $23mil in cap room. And 2012 just happens to have some intriguing potential FAs.
        Not just Dwight and Williams,but Westbrook and Eric Gordon(I assume Love will re-up in Minn). Would OKC match a max offer to Westbrook?(Gasol has shown he's happy being a #2.) Could NO match a max for Gordon?
        I would be a very,very happy fan if the Rockets could parlay Scola and Martin into Gasol and Gordon.
        So I'd imagine Houston would agree for the options it would give in 2012.


        With the current rumors of Westbrook/Durant having trouble getting along I'd expect OKC to let Westbrook go. I don't see them potentially upsetting Durant by keeping RW if there are indeed issues between them, even though Westbrook has the ability to be dominant. Agree with you on K Love, I dont think Minnesota can afford to let him go. Gasol/Gordon in place of Scola/Martin, I'm just not sure if it would be a big enough upgrade overall. Gordon has injury issues, and hasnt played more than 62 games since his rookie year, although he has upside Im not sure if Im sold on that option. Gasol is aging, yet still has a few years left at a high level and is the better defensive player over Scola. One thing I'm glad about is that Im not Daryl Morey, he's got quite a few decisions to make and the future of our team is at stake.
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        Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:27 AM

        With the current rumors of Westbrook/Durant having trouble getting along I'd expect OKC to let Westbrook go. I don't see them potentially upsetting Durant by keeping RW if there are indeed issues between them, even though Westbrook has the ability to be dominant.

        I think that stuff about them having problems is overblown. They are just two guys with very strong personalities and competitive drives. Blowups like they had are to be expected.
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        Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:31 AM

        So there is still the chance of Pau coming to Houston?? Feels different this time,.since.Nene is off the market now. Also if I was Orlando I'd jump to have Scola, Martin, Bynum to go along with Nelson. They still will be competitive and I don't see them doing much better than this scenario...

        It's not worth it anymore. Gasol was only enticing because of Nene. But by himself it makes no sense.
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