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Should Rockets Trade Asik or Lin -- Choose One


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#1 rocketrick

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    Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:31 AM

    8 games into the D12/Harden/Parsons Inaugural Year, If you were the GM, and if you could choose only one, would you finalize trading Omer Asik or Jeremy Lin prior to the February Trade Deadline?

     

    And why would you choose to go that particular route?

     

    What player(s) and/or positions would you anticipate in return?

     

    How would your proposed trade affect the playing rotation going forward?

     

    Salary Cap Considerations Should Play a Role in Your Decision(s) But Assume Leslie Alexander is Willing to Pay Luxury Tax For Maximum 1-2 Years.


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    Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

    my reply is not going to be near as in depth as youre looking for, but simply put, if the right deal came up, id trade asik for a 4 as ive mentioned on here before.  lin proved very valuable last night.  im not saying asik has yet to show his worth, i just think that at his best, lin can provide more for this team than asik can as the team is currently constructed.


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    Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:00 PM

    This is a non-issue.  Last year Asik was more valuable to the team, but this year there's no question that Asik will be traded if a favorable deal surfaces.  The twin towers will never excel on offense and our 3-point shooting is worse than expected, so Asik's talents are wasted in Houston.  In return it would be ideal to get a stretch-4 (who offers three-pointers plus defense) and a backup big man.  If we did that trade then Jones and D-Mo wouldn't see any more playing time, so we might want to trade someone like Jones as well (even though he is a beast).


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    #4 BrentYen

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    Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

    Lin, if they can find a trade. Their system does not Lin, but they need ASik.
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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

      Easily asik, he has real trade value and doesn't fit very well with the current roster. Plus we don't have any guard depth to trade Lin.
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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:30 PM

      I believe Asik is the better player currently, but as it currently stands, this team NEEDS Lin. Here are some reasons:

       

      1) He's the only player besides Harden who can create his own shot.

      2) He's the only consistent outside weapon we have currently(this will hopefully change soon)

      3) Bev is not ready offensively to shoulder the load.

      4) Brooks is not capable of playing about 20 minutes as the backup at this stage in his career.

       

      However, I wouldn't be surprised to see both of them gone.


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      Why so Serious? :D


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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:50 PM

      What do you think about a trade that send Lin, Asik, and Jones/DMo to Celtics for Rajon Rondo? Rondo is above average defender, great passer, and a good rebounder PG. With Rondo as the PG, JH will decrease his offensive load, so he can put more energy on defensive end.
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      #8 BrentYen

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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:56 PM

      If Hou want to stop shooting 3s, I guess Rondo is a good option too.


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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:05 PM

      I doubt either player will be traded this year.  Elite big man defenders don't come around to often.  Lin is needed to provide the offense when Harden gets locked down.

       

      We have plenty of potential at the 4... we just need to develop them.  I would've thought that a coach like McHale would be able to develop some solid post players... but so far no dice. 


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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:10 PM

      I don't think so. Ray Allen, Paul Pierce still took a lot of 3s while they played with Rondo and interior pass for Dwight won't be our concern anymore. We don't need 2 expensive bench players on Lin and Asik.
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      Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:45 PM

      I would trade both Asik and Lin for a PF who can also play backup center..............LMA or Horford


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      you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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        Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:12 PM

        Rondo? He and Harden got to fight to hold the ball.


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        Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:14 PM

        As much as I am not a Rondo fan, I have to imagine he would be excellent paired with Dwight.  I'm happy without him though.


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          Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:16 PM

          What do you guys think of DMo playing the backup C spot? He displayed some ability to play backup C and some rim protection in the preseason wins against the Pacers I think


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            Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:22 PM

            As much as I am not a Rondo fan, I have to imagine he would be excellent paired with Dwight.  I'm happy without him though.

            Without Harden, Rondo and Dwight will be very good together. But no, I will take Harden over Rondo any time.


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            Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

            The answer is depends. Asik has more value, so if we're getting the same value in return then trade Lin, but if we're getting proper value in return for Asik it makes a lot of sense to trade Asik. 


            Edited by 2016Champions, 12 November 2013 - 07:59 PM.

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            Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:03 PM

            i think lin is fine, trade asik.

             

             

            only problem is there arent really that man PF's available. this was the summer to sign a PF but we missed out on it.


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              Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:55 PM

              Without Harden, Rondo and Dwight will be very good together. But no, I will take Harden over Rondo any time.

               

              Disagree there.  Harden is a very one dimensional offensively minded player.  His offense is also limited.  When he doesn't have the ball in his hands, Harden does his best impression of a tree.  He won't set screens, won't cut to the basket, run flares, etc.  He does what most rec 'superstars' do, just stand at the three point until he gets the ball.  Rondo is vicious on defense, a more limber armed Beverly to compare.  The problem I always saw in Rondo was that he was TOOO unselfish.  Kid could easily average 15-18 a game taking efficient shots and drives, but he likes to pad his assists totals too much (which is not a bad thing, really).


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                Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:11 PM

                I don't think you'd win a title with rondo as your best offensive player.
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                  Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

                  Asik is the one who is expendable. He is also the one who would generate the most interest and provide the most in return. Lin continues to be undervalued and underutilized in this offense. The Lin/Beverly question continues to confound me since its obvious who is better. Beverly plays better on the ball defense. Yes Jeremy looked silly at times against CP3, but who doesnt? Any astute viewer of the NBA knows that natural ability on defense can be made up for with effort and smarts, two things Lin doesnt lack. Also looking at the landscape of the rest of the league not many teams need a PG and there not going to give up much or Lin to be a bench player. The only team I can think of who would be interested is the Lakers and its evident that the Lakers dont want anyone who salary extends past this year, 

                   

                  The Rockets are 8 games into an 82 game season (almost 10%). Other than Harden Lin has shown to be the 2nd best offensive player and best outside shooter on a consistent basis. He is an efficient scorer who is always willing to find the open man (two things Harden isnt). 

                   

                  i think that the Rockets actually have two tradable assets on the team. Asik, and D MO or Terrance Jones. Having both D MO and Jones is great but there isnt enough minutes for both players to develop into players who can contribute. Greg Smith is a very servicable backup for D12 so worrying about frontcourt depth shouldnt be an issue. 

                   

                  Im a realist when it comes to what the Rockets could get in return for Asik. Lets be real, Lamarcus Aldridge, Al Horford, and Kevin Love are not going to get traded for Asik. Even if those players respective teams were willing to trade them the Rockets lack what teams want in return (high first round draft picks, young talent). Both Jones and D MO are young but they arent the type of talent teams trade All-Stars for.

                   

                  What the Rockets need are a starting caliber PF and an above average wing defender. The Rockets dont need an All-Star caliber power forward. Rather they need on who can hit the open shot, rebound, play interior defense, and block shots. I dont even necessarily think having one who hits 3 pointers is a must.  

                   

                  Some interesting prospects for the PF position are as follows (ranked by order of most desirable):

                   

                  Jeff Green Boston Celtics:  Not a true PF but given that the Rockets rebound pretty well at positions 1,2, and 3 this isnt a great concern. Green shows flashes of brilliance but sometimes disappears. Would I want him as my #1 or #2 best player? A0sbolutely not, but as a fourth option, definitely. He's a good outside shooter and can do a little of everything. I think it might take a third party with a first round pick to make this deal work since the Celtics most likely arent looking to win right now (which any team who takes Asik most likely will be). 

                   

                  Ryan Anderson NO Pelicans: True definition of a stretch 4. Would instantly make the Rockets better on offense and teams wouldnt be able to collapse on D12 in the paint. Also better at rebounding then most would suspect. Problem with Anderson is that there wouldnt be enough shots to go around among the starters (Harden, Parsons, Lin/Beverly, Howard). And if Anderson isnt scoring, why else is he in there?

                   

                  Tristan Thompson Cleveland Cavaliers: If the Bynum experiment doesnt work I could see the Cavs looking for a center in order to stay competitve. Thompson is young and talented. He lacks a perimeter shot but he is a double double guy every night. 

                   

                  Other not as big name options:

                   

                  Channing Frye Phx Suns: He can do a little bit of everything, not great at any one thing. Two years ago was one of the NBA's most prolific 3 point shooters. Gives effort on defense and on the boards. 

                   

                  Patrick Patterson Sac Kings: Why not?

                   

                  Wing Defender options:

                   

                  Iman Shumpert NY Knicks: Rumors of him being on the trading block already exist. Young talent, athletic freak. Can guard the 1, 2 or 3. Can guard the opponents best perimeter player. Quick enough to guard PG's. Raw offensively but can score in the open court. NY also in the market for big men due to Chandlers injury. Not sure if salaries would work since Asik makes much more and Knicks arent in position to take on more salary cap. 

                   

                  Ideal trade wound be Asik and DMO to the Raptors for Amir Johnson, Landry Fields, and Steve Novak and a protected 1rst round pick. This trade makes a lot of sense. The raptors have let it known that everyone except Jonas V is available. This brings Jonas and D Mo together and also gives the Raptors an elite rim protector in Asik. With DeRozan, Lowry, Gay, Jonas V, and Asik, this is a starting 5 that can make the playoffs in the east. In return the Rockets get a starting PF (Amir Johnson), an elite 3 point shooter (former Rocket Novak), and a still young and talented wing player (Landry Fields). The initial reaction to Fields might be negative but I think he has a lot of value in the right situation. He is also back from an injury so that might be a concern. But for those of us who remember his first few years with the Knicks he was a two way player who could do a little of everything.

                   

                  This trade would not only fill specific needs, but provide some quality NBA players. Championship teams arent built with only all NBA players. But they also need players who have a specific role and provide quality minutes. Look at the Heat, yes they have 3 all stars, but Battier, Chalmers, Birdman and Haslem all played big minutes in big moments. 

                   

                  The rotations with the ideal trade scenario would be as follows:

                   

                  PG: Lin

                  SG: Harden

                  SF: Parsons

                  PF: Amir Johnson

                  C: Howard

                   

                  Sixth Man: Beverly

                  Role Players: Casspi, Fields, Jones, Novak

                  Bench PLayers: Garcia*, Brooks.

                   

                  With all due respect to Garcia he should not be a role player on a championship contender. Hes a savvy veteran who can hit an outside shot when wide open, but thats about it. He should be used only in case of emergency (foul trouble or injuries).


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