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[Buckko]

Can you tell me Jones and DMo's 3 point percentage last year in the NBA?

True, it was bad but that was mostly of being a rookie, barley playing and lacking the confidence to do it when they did. However demo had a great shooting stroke, just lacking confidence. While jones had been trying to impress with his 3pt shot at the summer league. Not to mention when you are on the rockets, isn't the main thing they do is drill into your head shoot the 3? While we all know aldrige and Mllsap are terrible 3pt shooters and a bit too old for major improvement.

[timetodienow1234567]

True, it was bad but that was mostly of being a rookie, barley playing and lacking the confidence to do it when they did. However demo had a great shooting stroke, just lacking confidence. While jones had been trying to impress with his 3pt shot at the summer league. Not to mention when you are on the rockets, isn't the main thing they do is drill into your head shoot the 3? While we all know aldrige and Mllsap are terrible 3pt shooters and a bit too old for major improvement.

Just like Howard?

[Losthief]

millsap isn't terrible at the three, shot 33.3% last season, which below league average isn't horrendous. (Also millsap shot as high as 39 percent).

 

Aldridge can't shoot the threes yet i concede that.

 

Too old for major improvement: Jason Kidd learned to really shoot the 3 like 8-10 seasons into his playing in the league. Shooting is one of the areas that can improve directly from work unrelated to age.

[Buckko]

millsap isn't terrible at the three, shot 33.3% last season, which below league average isn't horrendous. (Also millsap shot as high as 39 percent).

 

Aldridge can't shoot the threes yet i concede that.

 

Too old for major improvement: Jason Kidd learned to really shoot the 3 like 8-10 seasons into his playing in the league. Shooting is one of the areas that can improve directly from work unrelated to age.

True, but you also have to put in work to majorly accommodate the 3 and change your game to it. Next season will prove me right on our sophomores vastly superior 3pt shooting and we will be able to keep asik which wouldn't be able to happen if we traded for a PF. 

[Cooper]

A couple sunmer league games means Terrence jones is the next Reggie miller + part Kareem and homeless harasser.
But for real he shot .263 from 3 and Dmo shot a blazing .289 and horrible Paul millsap shot .333. I get that they both deserve a chance at regular starters minutes but 3pt shooting isn't why.

[Buckko]

A couple sunmer league games means Terrence jones is the next Reggie miller + part Kareem and homeless harasser.
But for real he shot .263 from 3 and Dmo shot a blazing .289 and horrible Paul millsap shot .333. I get that they both deserve a chance at regular starters minutes but 3pt shooting isn't why.

They will be at least better than 34%, I tell you that, but we also need 4 shooters around howard and trading for ryan anderson isn't one.

[RollingWave]

Millsap's 3 is very limited in sample size, because Utah's system seem to very rarely ask him to do it, but he sure hits a pretty high amount of big shots that you'd assume he probably can do it if he's being asked to. 

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=CuOrm52CJlI

 

He's an extremely good complimentary player, if the Rockets must trade Asik , he would be the guy I really want, because I see little reason he can't fit into most system and thrive, think of him as the PF version of Chandler Parsons.

Edited by RollingWave, 26 August 2013 - 01:30 AM.

[Buckko]

No that's a major overstatement. Like you said his 3 is a very small sample size and Dwight didn't work well with Gasol so why would millsap work?

[RollingWave]

well, you never know for sure until you try yes, but here's a few possible reason.

 

1. your not going to mistake Paul Millsap as a center.

 

2. he's not 33 with bad feet

 

3. there's probably no political issue between him and Dwight.

 

I feel the biggest actual issue with Dwight and Pau was more political  / health than actual game. i.e Dwight was unhappy to be in a situation where not only was he not the highest profile player, but may not even by the highest profile center .  on top of that Pau was hurt for much of the year and even when he was on the floor just wasn't close to 100%. 

 

At least my perception of Paul Millsap is that he would have little issue with being the 3rd option on a team. and that he can and often do score a lot in the flow (though he can score pretty well in an iso situation as well.). 

 

I agree that Millsap's 3 point sample is not definitive enough to really say anything about him, but I'd feel if the Jazz are comfortable with him taking most of his limited 3s late in the game, it probably says a good deal of their confidence in his shooting as a whole.

 

(it should be noted that i don't actually agree that your 4 really should be just taking a million corner 3s and never gets in the paint.) 

[Mason Khamvilay]

There are certain players who shoot long 2's very well, but when they take a couple of steps back behind the arc their percentage plummets. Examples of this would be Michael Jordan (before his 1st retirement), Tony Parker, Chris Bosh, and I'm sure there are plenty others. Is Paul Millsap one of those guys too? There's isn't enough evidence to say he isn't, and there isn't enough evidence to say he is. 

Edited by 2016Champions, 26 August 2013 - 05:04 AM.

[Losthief]

Millsap can hit corner short threes, not really the long ones, so i'd argue theres enough evidence to say he's below average up top. But you still have to respect him, which is the spacing point, he doens't actually have to hit a huge percentage, the threat of doing so is more important to Howard's spacing.

 

Aka, Asik's offensive rebounding makes his man not double team as fast/easy, so does the threat of a three point shot for a big playing with Howard. And as glen davis and brandon bass showed, long 2's work for this as well as long as there 'long' enough. Hence why I think aldridge would work just fine, cause theres no way you get away with leaving him wide open even for long 2s to double howard. Plus you can always swing it as the defense rotates to create a high percentage 3 shooter. I really think Howard's 'issues' with Gasol had much much more to do with the coaching than with Howard and Gasol. D'Antoni has never been able to utilize a non-shooting big effectively outside of one season with Tyson Chandler.

 

As a side point, MJ didn't really get better as a 3 point shooter, they moved the line in during his 2nd stint in the league so his long 2s he always hit suddenly were worth 3.

 

Tony Parkers lack of 3 point shot is a bit of a misnomer, he actually addressed that weakness 3 years ago with alot of work. He's not like a steve nash, but he's about league average now iirc. But he still hates shooting them/gets more efficent looks from long 2s, so your point stands.

[Freebird]

I agree with RollingWave, in that Pau and D12 not working was not a problem.  There were 2 overall contributing factors there - health, and system choice.  Had Brown stayed the coach, many of those issues probably would have been mitigated.  But going after D'Antoni, and bringing in a running system when 2 of the top 5 centers in the league were not only on the roster, but both being hurt?  It was a complete recipe for disaster.

 

I don't think Dwight will have a problem with a big 4 - the system just needs to account for the required spacing between them.

[timetodienow1234567]

I agree with RollingWave, in that Pau and D12 not working was not a problem.  There were 2 overall contributing factors there - health, and system choice.  Had Brown stayed the coach, many of those issues probably would have been mitigated.  But going after D'Antoni, and bringing in a running system when 2 of the top 5 centers in the league were not only on the roster, but both being hurt?  It was a complete recipe for disaster.

 

I don't think Dwight will have a problem with a big 4 - the system just needs to account for the required spacing between them.

 

Which is why Asik is a fail. He delivers zero spacing. But Millsap/LA would work.

[Buckko]

The point of a asik/howard lineup is for defense and rebounds and you people keep complaining about offense. It will be a lineup we rarely use and offense won't matter when we do, because the focus is defense.

[RollingWave]

Which is why Asik is a fail. He delivers zero spacing. But Millsap/LA would work.

 

We don't really know this, if we give Millsap a pass for his small sample size 3 pointer, we should note that Asik's sample size of long 2 is roughly the same as MIllsap's 3 in that same span, and he hit them at a very good rate in reality.  IIRC his career 18 footer is over 40% , which is excellent percentage, the problem is we don't know if he can sustain close to that if he shoots it 100 times a year.  but, we don't know, it could very well be he could, there's nothing in his shot mechanic that think he really can't shoot, and noone seriously guards him in those situation.

 

Spacing is the perception of what you can do, not actually doing those things as much as possible.

Edited by RollingWave, 27 August 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[Hockey the Harden Way]

LMA's biggest bread and butter is the post-up midrange jumper.....  A master of the "inefficient" 2-pt shot that is scorned upon by our offensive philosophy.

 

I think a player like LMA would be a great addition to this Rockets team, but our offensive philosophy would have to change in order to reap the benefits.

[Sir Thursday]

On paper Millsap is great (he even played some '3' last year, so being a stretch-four isn't beyond him), but there's no way Atlanta are parting with someone they just signed to an INCREDIBLE bargain contract unless they get a lot in return. The guy is being paid way under market value at the moment. Not sure whether Asik+D-Mo would get it done. And if it were to happen it wouldn't be until the trade deadline - can't trade newly signed players, right?

 

ST

[rockets best fan]

On paper Millsap is great (he even played some '3' last year, so being a stretch-four isn't beyond him), but there's no way Atlanta are parting with someone they just signed to an INCREDIBLE bargain contract unless they get a lot in return. The guy is being paid way under market value at the moment. Not sure whether Asik+D-Mo would get it done. And if it were to happen it wouldn't be until the trade deadline - can't trade newly signed players, right?

 

ST

Asik + D-Mo for Milsap? no way the Rockets should do this deal if Atlanta called everyday three times a day begging  Asik alone is worth more than Milsap.  I like Milsap as a player, but there is a reason he signed a two year contract for only 19 mil......which is more than Utah was willing to pay to retain him. he is a young A-Jamerson......always plenty of them on the market

[Cooper]

I guess it depends on how well Dmo plays if he starts and plays well you wouldn't do that but if he doesn't play all that great or ends up on the bench for whatever reason. Asik and him for millsap isn't unreasonable.

[rockets best fan]

LMA's biggest bread and butter is the post-up midrange jumper.....  A master of the "inefficient" 2-pt shot that is scorned upon by our offensive philosophy.

 

I think a player like LMA would be a great addition to this Rockets team, but our offensive philosophy would have to change in order to reap the benefits.

I think most people here get to caught up thinking that the PF next to Howard must be able to hit a 3 pointer in order to space the floor when nothing could be further from the truth. the PF next to D-12 needs to be able to be effective out to at least 15 feet.....that's enough for spacing. I agree LMA is a great fit for this team and if we were able to acquire him I bet Morey would have no problem adjusting our offensive philosophy. our team is in a unique position.......we can now force teams to matchup with us and yet still have the ability to match up to them. we can make teams keep less familiar lineups on the floor trying to matchup. LMA would only add to that mix.