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Which player has the higher ceiling?


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Poll: Higher Ceilings? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Which young PG has the highest ceiling?

  1. John Wall (11 votes [40.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  2. Kyrie Irving (11 votes [40.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  3. Jrue Holiday (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  4. Damien Lilliard (4 votes [14.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

Which young SG/SF has the highest ceiling?

  1. Ben Mclemore (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  2. Victor Oladipo (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  3. Klay Thompson (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Jimmy Butler (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Kawhi Leonard (6 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  6. Chandler Parsons (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  7. Jeff Green (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  8. Paul George (14 votes [51.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.85%

Which young PF/C has the higher ceiling?

  1. Andre Drummond (10 votes [37.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.04%

  2. Anthony Davis (11 votes [40.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  3. Anthony Bennett (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  4. Nerlens Noel (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Demarcus Cousins (5 votes [18.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

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#1 timetodienow1234567

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:17 AM

We've discussed this topic in lots of previous posts, but I just wanted to consolidate it here, so we can keep the other posts focused on their respective topics.


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:42 AM

    We've discussed this topic in lots of previous posts, but I just wanted to consolidate it here, so we can keep the other posts focused on their respective topics.

    I wouldn't have compared rookies with guys who will be going into their 4th NBA season though. You really don't know what to expect from rookies. It would have been better if you did rookies/sophomores and juniors/4+ 


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:59 AM

    unfortunately I agree with Buckko here :lol: players from this previous draft still have to many question marks to see their future right now. I felt the two best players at PG were Lilliard and Kyrie. I chose Lilliard because I think he will be the better all around player.....Kyrie will always beat him out in scoring, but he can be an impact player on both ends. the SG/SF slot Paul George was a run away in. at C/PF I took Cousins.......I know he's a knucklehead, but a very talented knucklehead. he has the highest ceiling.....now whether he is able to reach it is another question all together. however base on potential alone Cousins could one day rule the NBA


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:11 AM

    I went with Wall, Leonard, and Drummond. I love players who play defense and all three of these players play defense better than their counterparts.

     

    I chose Leonard over George because he's the better defender, he's improved tremendously and he plays for Pop. I mean he learned how to shoot the 3 ball, developed a floater, a hook shot, and a beginning of a post up game. All in a few years. Dude has potential. 

     

    I chose Wall over Irving because he's got everything Irving has except the shot. I believe  he's got better court vision and far superior defensive skills. The shot can be acquired more easily than defense can. Irving is allergic to defense, moreso than even Nash was. 

     

    And for the big man, choosing Drummond over Cousins was pretty easy. Drummond's already a better defender and rebounder. I think Cousins will always be the better offensive player, but Drummond will close the gap pretty soon.


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:32 AM

    Wall - George - Boogie. I think Green is too experienced for this poll, I think he already has hit his ceilling (almost, at least).


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:10 AM

    I agree, the players chosen to be polled are confusing.

    My choices: Wall, Harden, Cousins
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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:18 AM

    I chose younger guys who aren't recognized as superstars yet. I know George had a good year last year and exploded against Miami, but he's not a superstar yet. Green missed a lot of time with his heart condition so we haven't seen a lot of him yet. Everybody else is fairly young. Harden is a superstar so that's why I didn't choose him.


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 07:54 AM

    Harden was not an option. But still, George has the higher ceilling because he can excel defensively, and Harden won't play defense consistently enough to be a greater all.around player. But it's a matter of fitting the team as well, and I would still pick Harden for this team, just not for every team


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:53 PM

    I think Harden could be an MVP some day, that would be considered a pretty high ceiling.
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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:07 PM

    I think Harden's ceiling is the second best sg of all time.
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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:36 PM

    I think Harden's ceiling is the second best sg of all time.

     

    I agree.

     

    But where do you think he actually ends up? I have a hard time slotting him ahead of Kobe or Wade. Wade is an all time great defender at the 2 spot and Kobe's good on defense(most of those all nba defense were popularity). I think what he actually achieves is 5th best all time with my top 6 being

    Jordan

    Kobe

    Wade

    West

    Harden

    Gervin


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:52 PM

    I don't think defense is as important as leading, winning and delivering in the Finals. Harden has to win about 3 to get in that conversation, of course this is heavy speculation considering how young he is.

    One big problem for George in my mind is that he will be facing LeBron for his career in the East, assuming they both stay over there.
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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:07 PM

    FSS, how can you lead if you take off half the game? I don't see that happening. How can you win if your man gets wide open shots? How can you get to the finals let alone win one if he doesn't play defense?

     

    Here's a look at the last few championship winners and their three biggest stars.

    2013 = Miami Lebron(DPOY candidate), Dwayne Wade(top 3 defender at SG), Bosh(good help defender and gives his all)

    2012 = Same

    2011 = Mavs Dirk(much improved defender good help defender), Chandler(DPOY), Kidd(top 3 defender at PG even with his age that year)

    2010 = Bryant(good defender, not great), Pau Gasol(good defender when locked in), MWP(elite defender)

     

    Need I go on? As much as I love Nash, he's never won a ring. Neither has Melo, STAT, Dirk never won a ring until he played defense, etc.... I think all of the things you talked about will come as a result of dedication to defense. 


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:08 PM

    come on guys...............I love Harden as a player too, but 2nd all time? TTDN I like your list, but where is Dr. J. how about  jerry west? 2nd all time is a tall order. where is Clyde


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:10 PM

    my bad I just seen West, but Clyde should be on the list


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:11 PM

    They're my next two picks. I also have West up there.


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:16 PM

    They're my next two picks. I also have West up there.

    you think Wade is better than Clyde? are you listing them is order of greatness?


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:20 PM

    Uh, guys....what about us?

     

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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:25 PM

    Miller I'm ok with......now benedict Allen I'm not so sure about :lol:


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    Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:25 PM

    Sorry many of the greatest wings ever to play (yes I consider the NBA beyond the last few years) the game were not great defenders including Jordan and Kobe. Could those greats defend at times and contribute to team defense yes but was it their calling card, no way.
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