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#61 thejohnnygold

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:54 PM

Let's get this back under control.  The bottom line is this:  RBF thinks Asik is a center asset that 80% of the teams in this league would roll over to get.  RBF believes that Robin Lopez is a scrub and that Portland would lower their asking price on Aldridge to get Asik to replace the guy they just traded for whose numbers are actually similar.  Here they are on defense:

 

 

Looks like Lopez can hold his own and then some (he is the white rows, asik the grey ones).  As far as their rebounding disparity goes--they rebound equally on offense and Lopez has Anthony Davis grabbing all the defensive boards which lowers his %.  Offensively, it's not even close so I won't waste anyone's time.  In conclusion, to assert that Portland is looking to ditch Aldridge to add Asik just doesn't hold water.  What does hold water is Portland finally has assembled a team with some decent talent/potential that will match Aldridge's skillset and they are gong to want to run with it this year.  RBF says they "might" get out of the gates slow and do the trade at the deadline.

 

It's possible.  But at the deadline there are going to be other offers and our offer isn't as good as RBF makes it sound.  On one hand, Lin is not a good PG, G. Smith can't get better than 3rd best at a position with no proven commodities, and our draft picks should wind up in the upper 20's.  Yet, they want our budding PF, our late draft picks, and our back-up center will be an upgrade over their center who has better stats almost across the board.  It just doesn't add up.

 

If I were you guys, I'd stop arguing this--there is a double standard here.  RBF argues this all the time.  Lin is a no-good pg, but other teams will trade us their better PG's straight up for Lin. ???? :wacko:   A player is either trash or not--they can't be trash and then turn to gold when they are included in a trade.

 

As far as our own PF's--3-4 years from now to develop?  I think they will take a nice step this year and one of them will take a bigger step the year after.  If we are lucky they both do and we end up with a nice asset that will get traded for help elsewhere.  We aren't going to miss any windows.  Our PF's need to D up, grab some boards, and knock down some open shots.  That is it.  Udonis Haslem style.  After a year of that, each will be bigger, stronger, and smarter...then we'll see what they can do with some plays run for them.

 

Having Asik is like having a real spare tire for your car/truck in case of a flat instead of those little do-nut tires that can only go 100 miles.  You can just slap it on and keep going without a hiccup.  Sure, you can make your journey without one, but you'll regret it eventually.

 

The bottom line is our two favorite trade partners have centers they like--Asik's value is diminished for them because they don't need him.  Plus, as it has been mentioned, most teams that don't already have good centers are looking to tank it for next year's lotto.

 

I think Portland and Minny are going to try and build winners around their stars this year before throwing in the towel.  No dice.  And before someone tells me, "you don't know until you try..." just stop that.  That's Morey's job and I fully expect he talks to every GM more than any of them care to talk to him.  If I could get them on the phone...I would.


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    Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

    Let's get this back under control.  The bottom line is this:  RBF thinks Asik is a center asset that 80% of the teams in this league would roll over to get.  RBF believes that Robin Lopez is a scrub and that Portland would lower their asking price on Aldridge to get Asik to replace the guy they just traded for whose numbers are actually similar.  Here they are on defense:

     

     

    Looks like Lopez can hold his own and then some (he is the white rows, asik the grey ones).  As far as their rebounding disparity goes--they rebound equally on offense and Lopez has Anthony Davis grabbing all the defensive boards which lowers his %.  Offensively, it's not even close so I won't waste anyone's time.  In conclusion, to assert that Portland is looking to ditch Aldridge to add Asik just doesn't hold water.  What does hold water is Portland finally has assembled a team with some decent talent/potential that will match Aldridge's skillset and they are gong to want to run with it this year.  RBF says they "might" get out of the gates slow and do the trade at the deadline.

     

    It's possible.  But at the deadline there are going to be other offers and our offer isn't as good as RBF makes it sound.  On one hand, Lin is not a good PG, G. Smith can't get better than 3rd best at a position with no proven commodities, and our draft picks should wind up in the upper 20's.  Yet, they want our budding PF, our late draft picks, and our back-up center will be an upgrade over their center who has better stats almost across the board.  It just doesn't add up.

     

    If I were you guys, I'd stop arguing this--there is a double standard here.  RBF argues this all the time.  Lin is a no-good pg, but other teams will trade us their better PG's straight up for Lin. ???? :wacko:   A player is either trash or not--they can't be trash and then turn to gold when they are included in a trade.

     

    As far as our own PF's--3-4 years from now to develop?  I think they will take a nice step this year and one of them will take a bigger step the year after.  If we are lucky they both do and we end up with a nice asset that will get traded for help elsewhere.  We aren't going to miss any windows.  Our PF's need to D up, grab some boards, and knock down some open shots.  That is it.  Udonis Haslem style.  After a year of that, each will be bigger, stronger, and smarter...then we'll see what they can do with some plays run for them.

     

    Having Asik is like having a real spare tire for your car/truck in case of a flat instead of those little do-nut tires that can only go 100 miles.  You can just slap it on and keep going without a hiccup.  Sure, you can make your journey without one, but you'll regret it eventually.

     

    The bottom line is our two favorite trade partners have centers they like--Asik's value is diminished for them because they don't need him.  Plus, as it has been mentioned, most teams that don't already have good centers are looking to tank it for next year's lotto.

     

    I think Portland and Minny are going to try and build winners around their stars this year before throwing in the towel.  No dice.  And before someone tells me, "you don't know until you try..." just stop that.  That's Morey's job and I fully expect he talks to every GM more than any of them care to talk to him.  If I could get them on the phone...I would.

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    Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:40 PM

    Defensive synergy stats aren't reliable, but I do believe Robin Lopez is a good defender, not great but good. He's also a capable pick and roll finisher who gives Damian Lillard another weapon, and that PnR will take some attention away from Aldridge and get him more open looks. If I had to choose a few teams that didn't make the Western playoffs last season but will make it this season, Portland would be one of them. 


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      Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:44 PM


      Bosh is far better than LA, LA is a bit overrated. People talk about Bosh'#s dropping LA will not be any where near superstar level.


      I've always said bosh was better but it doesn't meant Aldridge sliding he worth trading for. Especially for half price
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        Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

        I've always said bosh was better but it doesn't meant Aldridge sliding he worth trading for. Especially for half price

        That's the problem it wouldn't be half price.


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          Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:19 PM

          Asik>both Lopez twins.
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          Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

          Lol. Good joke Steven.
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          Why so Serious? :D


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          Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

          Defensive synergy stats aren't reliable, but I do believe Robin Lopez is a good defender, not great but good. He's also a capable pick and roll finisher who gives Damian Lillard another weapon, and that PnR will take some attention away from Aldridge and get him more open looks. If I had to choose a few teams that didn't make the Western playoffs last season but will make it this season, Portland would be one of them. 

           

          Yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply that Lopez is as far superior as those numbers imply--simply that the comparison can be made closely enough to rule out Portland's desire to trade for Asik.  As you pointed out, on offense he is a good fit as well.  A deal with Portland centered around Asik is just not realistic at this point.


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          Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:47 AM

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          nice story...........but if LMA puts pressure on Portland everything you said goes out the window. also if Lopez was as great as you make him out to be then why would NO trade him as bad as they could use a good big next to Davis? JG you may have missed your calling .......you would have been a hell of a agent. :P


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          you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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            Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:24 AM

            @JG

            nice story...........but if LMA puts pressure on Portland everything you said goes out the window. also if Lopez was as great as you make him out to be then why would NO trade him as bad as they could use a good big next to Davis? JG you may have missed your calling .......you would have been a hell of a agent. :P

            RBF you are insane and I'm just going to stop commenting on this top.


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            Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:27 AM

            RBF you are insane and I'm just going to stop commenting on this top.

            insane? before you start throwing labels a round a self examination is in order


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            you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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            Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:08 AM


             

             
            anderson.jpgAldridge+.jpgThe Rockets will most likely trade Asik and one more key player to acquire a PF like Anderson or Aldridge. This is the next step in building a championship worthy team. Expect Daryl Morey to make significant moves in the near future.

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            you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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            Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:09 PM

            @JG

            nice story...........but if LMA puts pressure on Portland everything you said goes out the window. also if Lopez was as great as you make him out to be then why would NO trade him as bad as they could use a good big next to Davis? JG you may have missed your calling .......you would have been a hell of a agent. :P

             

            Yes, IF Lamarcus puts pressure for a trade they will make one.  It does not mean everything I said goes out the window.

             

            New Orleans moved Lopez to clear the cap space.  Lopez will be in the right situation in Portland--just wait and see.


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              Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:21 PM


              Lol. Good joke Steven.


              No joke. Facts. Asik is better then both Lopez's.
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                Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:36 PM

                No joke. Facts. Asik is better then both Lopez's.

                Not by much and not even close to be worth trading for.


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                Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

                Brook Lopez is better than Asik. I'm not going to say its fact but nearly every single fan, analyst, and coach agrees.
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                Why so Serious? :D


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                Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:31 PM

                Brook Lopez is better than Asik. I'm not going to say its fact but nearly every single fan, analyst, and coach agrees.

                I'm ridding the fence on that.......while there is no doubt brook is superior on offense.... on defense Asik has just as big of an advantage. the fact that I view the most important thing a center can give a team is rebound and anchor the defense makes me lean Asik's way. scoring from your center is nice, but there are plenty of wings who can handle that. defined by my outlook on the center position......I'd rather have Asik


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                you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)





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