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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

Alright, leaving Lin out of this--you're not wrong about Asik, RBF.  The difference is I value his contribution to our ability to win championships over the next two seasons quite highly.  Thus, saying I am letting him "walk for nothing" is not true.  I used his services for two years.  That has plenty of value to me.  Part of all this is my belief that Jones and Motie are going to give us more than enough at the PF position to not need an upgrade there at this time.

 

The money and contracts are of no concern to me.  I don't think Les would have green-lighted them if they were a concern to him either.  If we are winning and making deep play-off runs then that money will be a non-issue. (I know you'll disagree on that :lol: )

 

I'm not against any trade involving Asik, but I am against over paying for Aldridge.

 

As has been noted by others, I also believe in the value of our depth and the strength that depth will give to our second unit.  Last season, we pointed the finger at our second unit for losing leads and games.  This season, we will be able to put that unit on the floor and feel confident.  Defensively, with guys like Asik, Beverly, and Garcia we'll have strong defense at 3 crucial positions.  Add D-mo in the post and maybe keep one of Parsons/Harden on the floor and that's practically the same team that put OKC on its butt for a couple of games in the playoffs.  (I know Delfino was part of that, but his 3 fg/game wasn't exactly turning the tides and he shot over 40% in but one game--granted, he was hurt).

 

Point being, if we're going to put so much weight into how much that second unit hurt us then it only makes sense to value it equally in how much it can help us.

no doubt if Asik were here he would be a valued asset on the 2nd unit. however we are measuring that said value against losing him without a replacement. who ever Asik is traded for may have just as much value to the team although it may be from another position. so  I am not convinced its better to let him walk when pieces that can help us for the long run may be obtained. as for the MONEY you are correct I don't agree. Lin and Asik were signed in a much different state of the team than the position we sit now. if you had told Morey he would be able to get both Harden and Howard in less than a year he might have felt differently about laying out that much cash to sign both. true hind sight is always 20/20, but we are still in position to do something about it. I don't think they would be to worried about keeping Asik, but Lin's contract has become an anvil. Asik played up to and beyond the amount of his contract, but Lin didn't. that probably means we are going to have to move Lin along with other assets just to move that contract. since Asik is on the same type of deal....he makes the most sense. sure it will diminish what we get back. but the flexibility it can give us leaves us even more ways to upgrade this team. last but not least.....14 mil is not overpaying for LMA. he is worth that much. you were willing to give J-Smith that amount....why not LMA


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

Being emotional? What?

YES emotional :lol: you are responding like I'm attacking your favorite pet or something trying to shoot down anything that goes against YOUR wishes for this team. you don't have an objective view. you have not laid out any points for discussion. your running all defense today.......where's the offense. bring them on the field :lol:


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:21 PM

In regards to LMA's price being too high I didn't mean in dollars.  I meant in assets.  Giving up Lin, Asik, a PF (you think they'll take Smith--I think it costs D-MO/Jones) plus at least 1 draft pick is too much in my opinion.  All of that for a guy who is not going to contribute much more than what Jones/Motie was going to bring to the table at that spot.

 

It's just not a move I would make.  I still think one, if not both, of Jones and Motie is going to be very good.  I know in your scenario we retain them both (disagree).  I still think Motie can be better than Aldridge :o


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:42 PM

maybe they have the potential to bring as much (i have my doubts, LMA is really good, he just happens to play in Portland so not everyone realizes it)....but soon enough? Again I think guys on the this board overvalue our Window to win a title. Howard's not exactly the healthest guy in the world, and he plays a rough position. (god i hope im wrong, but you banking on howard averaging 18 and 12 in 4 years when Dmo/Jones are ready to dominate?). I think we'd possibly waste the window waiting on internal development. Now, I could be wrong and Howard could play dominant like TD has done till his late-mid thirties (he's 28 now), but he hasn't shown the polish to pay without althleticism a la tim duncan/kobe/jkidd, etc etc. Thats why I think you gotta at least ponder the LMA trade. And giving up a draft pick next year in the trade wouldn't really matter, we wouldn't be picking a player to play anyways due to tax ramifications of re-signing parsons. It be a pick and stash euro pick we'd be giving up most likely from the (hopefully 30th overall :D) late first round. So a back-up Center, a Starting Mid-Tier (generous?) PG and one potential 'A' talent assest and a pick that will be most likely a decent role-player/low-tier starter for a Star Player (Next tier down from SuperStar). My worry is that Portland says no, not that we are offering too much.


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    Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:57 PM

    LMA is easily worth that package to a team without a star or even a team who wants a 2nd star, maybe not so much for a third star but that depends on how much you believe in the 3 star system which I do, but could really go either way in that case.
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    Posted 31 July 2013 - 12:11 AM

    I would rather run an offense with LMA being the second star and relegating Dwight to third star status.
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    Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:30 AM

    In regards to LMA's price being too high I didn't mean in dollars.  I meant in assets.  Giving up Lin, Asik, a PF (you think they'll take Smith--I think it costs D-MO/Jones) plus at least 1 draft pick is too much in my opinion.  All of that for a guy who is not going to contribute much more than what Jones/Motie was going to bring to the table at that spot.

     

    It's just not a move I would make.  I still think one, if not both, of Jones and Motie is going to be very good.  I know in your scenario we retain them both (disagree).  I still think Motie can be better than Aldridge :o

    I disagree JG. when you look at what we are getting.........to me it's a no brainer. I would really hate to lose Asik, but realistically a backup center at 8 mil isn't wise use of the cap vs. team talent. I don't think it will hurt us at all to lose Lin......I think we can get enough from Beverly, Brooks and Canaan to cover that spot. also losing G-Smith can be covered because I expect T-Jones and D-Mo to eat his time up anyway. YES I believe they will accept G-Smith. it's not like we are talking about a bad player here. Smith may not be elite, but he is a good rotation player. also I don't think you are valuing Asik enough. Asik is a rare commodity. a center who rebounds at an elite rate and can anchor a defense at an elite rate. true he has the hands of stone, but can still get you a double double every night. he's young and doesn't get injured a lot. there are about 25 teams who Asik would be an upgrade to their center position. and to top it all off is being underpaid. now on to the draft pick or picks( as I suspect it will take 2 first rounders) I say 2 first rounders because our picks will be so low in the draft that they won't have a lot of value accept in this up coming draft because of its overall depth..................think about it unless we get a top rookie they won't play much on this team so the picks are a necessary evil of doing business. their loss is minimum. by doing the deal we also free up a little cash to boot. if we get Portland to bite there should be no hesitation on our part


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      Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:40 AM

      LMA is easily worth that package to a team without a star or even a team who wants a 2nd star, maybe not so much for a third star but that depends on how much you believe in the 3 star system which I do, but could really go either way in that case.

      Bosh is far better than LA, LA is a bit overrated. People talk about Bosh'#s dropping LA will not be any where near superstar level.


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        Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:45 AM

        I disagree JG. when you look at what we are getting.........to me it's a no brainer. I would really hate to lose Asik, but realistically a backup center at 8 mil isn't wise use of the cap vs. team talent. I don't think it will hurt us at all to lose Lin......I think we can get enough from Beverly, Brooks and Canaan to cover that spot. also losing G-Smith can be covered because I expect T-Jones and D-Mo to eat his time up anyway. YES I believe they will accept G-Smith. it's not like we are talking about a bad player here. Smith may not be elite, but he is a good rotation player. also I don't think you are valuing Asik enough. Asik is a rare commodity. a center who rebounds at an elite rate and can anchor a defense at an elite rate. true he has the hands of stone, but can still get you a double double every night. he's young and doesn't get injured a lot. there are about 25 teams who Asik would be an upgrade to their center position. and to top it all off is being underpaid. now on to the draft pick or picks( as I suspect it will take 2 first rounders) I say 2 first rounders because our picks will be so low in the draft that they won't have a lot of value accept in this up coming draft because of its overall depth..................think about it unless we get a top rookie they won't play much on this team so the picks are a necessary evil of doing business. their loss is minimum. by doing the deal we also free up a little cash to boot. if we get Portland to bite there should be no hesitation on our part

        Its really annoying how you think we can screw teams over like the harden trade. It doesn't work like that buddy and yes they will want 1st rounders. We will be lucky if we get to keep one of our PFs. Your trade is a fantasy, this is realistic. We have to trade lin, asik, jones, 1-2 1st round, possibly demo too in a 3-4 team trade. Then we have just traded away our depth, youth, and future for 2-3 year title window. Nice. I'm sorry you wouldn't do too well as a GM bud.


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          Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:12 PM


          Its really annoying how you think we can screw teams over like the harden trade. It doesn't work like that buddy and yes they will want 1st rounders. We will be lucky if we get to keep one of our PFs. Your trade is a fantasy, this is realistic. We have to trade lin, asik, jones, 1-2 1st round, possibly demo too in a 3-4 team trade. Then we have just traded away our depth, youth, and future for 2-3 year title window. Nice. I'm sorry you wouldn't do too well as a GM bud.


          It happens all the time. Tobias Harris for two months of JJ Redick? Pau Gasol for a bag of peanuts (perception at the time)? No knees Bynum for a full year of D12, same trade giving up Iguidula for No Knees. With Morey I believe the Rockets can bend over most teams when it comes to trades. He has only "lost" on one trade. T-Williams for the first rounder Atlanta used this year.
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            Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:39 PM

            It happens all the time. Tobias Harris for two months of JJ Redick? Pau Gasol for a bag of peanuts (perception at the time)? No knees Bynum for a full year of D12, same trade giving up Iguidula for No Knees. With Morey I believe the Rockets can bend over most teams when it comes to trades. He has only "lost" on one trade. T-Williams for the first rounder Atlanta used this year.

            When it comes to allstars its a bit different. The bucks are ran by idiots, the Gasol trade worked out well for Memphis, and Bynum to the 76s would have been fantastic but he had bad health and bad luck. Only bad teams are run by idiots you can exploit and that's why they are bad teams. The blazers aren't the bucks and we would have to gut the team. Yall talk about the small title window, well it would be even smaller because you would have to have 3 allstars try to gel together and a pretty much new team.


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            Posted 31 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

            When it comes to allstars its a bit different. The bucks are ran by idiots, the Gasol trade worked out well for Memphis, and Bynum to the 76s would have been fantastic but he had bad health and bad luck. Only bad teams are run by idiots you can exploit and that's why they are bad teams. The blazers aren't the bucks and we would have to gut the team. Yall talk about the small title window, well it would be even smaller because you would have to have 3 allstars try to gel together and a pretty much new team.

            I disagree......stars are no different. would you call presti and idiot? yet he fell for the Harden trade!


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              Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:03 PM


              I disagree......stars are no different. would you call presti and idiot? yet he fell for the Harden trade!

              You're like a kid wanting to be an astronaught. Nobody new what harden was worth and they undervalued him and they overvalued the Toronto pick. They never believe he would be a superstar, they didn't know what he was worth. They know what LA is worth and they will take you to the bank for him. Maybe you should go discuss fantasy basketball, because things don't work like that where you can take everyone's best players for scraps.
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              Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

              You're like a kid wanting to be an astronaught. Nobody new what harden was worth and they undervalued him and they overvalued the Toronto pick. They never believe he would be a superstar, they didn't know what he was worth. They know what LA is worth and they will take you to the bank for him. Maybe you should go discuss fantasy basketball, because things don't work like that where you can take everyone's best players for scraps.

              your point was it couldn't happen........I just showed you it can.......I think you are the one living in a fantasy. your GM skills need work :lol:


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              you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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                Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:11 PM

                No you're way of management skills is saying I can get a 100 dollars if I trade them 50. Greg asik and Lin smh, people would laugh at you.
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                Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:13 PM

                No you're way of management skills is saying I can get a 100 dollars if I trade them 50. Greg asik and Lin smh, people would laugh at you.

                I bet those same people were laughing at Morey a year ago


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                  Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:15 PM

                  You play too much NBA 2k with the trade override option enabled.


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                    Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:19 PM


                    I bet those same people were laughing at Morey a year ago

                    1. You are not Darl Morey, if you were, you would have more statistical respect for Lin but you're not so don't compare yourself to him. 2. Harden trade is completely different from your therorized LA trade, so yet again stop comparing the 2.
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                      Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:48 PM


                      You're like a kid wanting to be an astronaught. Nobody new what harden was worth and they undervalued him and they overvalued the Toronto pick. They never believe he would be a superstar, they didn't know what he was worth. They know what LA is worth and they will take you to the bank for him. Maybe you should go discuss fantasy basketball, because things don't work like that where you can take everyone's best players for scraps.


                      Everyone knew that Hardin average 35p/40 min when Durant was off the court. Yes it was in 550 minutes during a strike shorten season, but it still was loads of scoring.
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                        Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

                        Everyone knew that Hardin average 35p/40 min when Durant was off the court. Yes it was in 550 minutes during a strike shorten season, but it still was loads of scoring.

                        He was playing against 2nd units though and when people take that into effect, they never would have predicted he would become a superstar. It was a gamble that won the lottery for houston.


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