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[Mason Khamvilay]

Skills - no left hand. 

Overblown. His left hand clearly improved last season. 

Edited by 2016Champions, 27 July 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[timetodienow1234567]

It is a weakness that he's working on overcoming. While it'll clearly never be a strength I don't think it will be as big of a weakness as you all do.

[Steven]

Whoever says Lin isn't fit for this team I'd like to hear from them who would be their choice, because I can't find anyone else that can bring a significant bigger upgrade than him. You want more points from a PG averaging 13.4ppg? We have Harden, Howard, and Parsons as offensive options that will get turns with the ball before Lin. You want more assists than a 6.1 apg guy? Well there's Harden the combo guard to complement, plus when have you known Lin as a selfish guy that won't work harder to improve. And third, why give up a solid pg who knows PnR and this team? It's only been a year...man. And it's not like if Lin is an issue on defense! I heard suggestions and rumors from other fans saying they wanted Rondo..but for what reason!? I believe as long as Harden is on the floor whoever is at point will be getting less touches, which makes Rondo's 10 plus assists almost irrelevant. And Rondo has a career 25% from 3, c'monnnnnn. If Lin leaves we better get a bargain solid PnR guard, because otherwise some of you guys are expecting a little toooo much for being unhappy with him

C.J. McCollum
Damian Lillard
Steph Curry
Ty Lawson
Chris Paul
Trey Burke
Michael Conley
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Jrue Holliday
Michael Carter Williams
Kyle Lowry
Derrick Rose
Kyrie Irving
Brandon Knight
John Wall
Deron Williams

That doesn't include Rondo, Drogic, Hill and Teague.

[Jeby]

I also think the left hand issue is a little overblown. The scouting report has been out on that issue since before Linsanity even cooled down in NY (and Lin has probably been dealing with defenders shading to his left since he was in jr. high) and yet he was still able to produce. To me, his biggest issues last season were 1) his tendency to dive into traffic without a plan, and throw a desperation jump-pass, and 2) his jump shot. On both points he improved vastly as the season went on, however, I am concerned that his hot shooting toward the end of the season may have been a little flukey. I see him shooting between 35 and 37 percent, not 40.
On the topic of this thread: It's always good to put Lin's athleticism in the proper context. By that I mean, he is not athletic "for his race." He is athletic, period. He is deceptively athletic only in the sense that if his defenders cling to their stereotypes more strongly than they stick to the scouting report, then they are deceived.

[Cooper]

C.J. McCollum
Damian Lillard
Steph Curry
Ty Lawson
Chris Paul
Trey Burke
Michael Conley
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Jrue Holliday
Michael Carter Williams
Kyle Lowry
Derrick Rose
Kyrie Irving
Brandon Knight
John Wall
Deron Williams

That doesn't include Rondo, Drogic, Hill and Teague.

I'd add Rubio

[hizzobbes]

And out of all those guys... How many are available/attainable? You could make equally long lists for SF and PF if you just throw out any restrictions and feasibility. 

 

The question isn't who is better than Lin... it's who could we get that is better than him? There's no reason to even bring up any other names. 

Edited by hizzobbes, 27 July 2013 - 04:19 AM.

[Buckko]

Finally logic.

[rockets best fan]

And out of all those guys... How many are available/attainable? You could make equally long lists for SF and PF if you just throw out any restrictions and feasibility. 

 

The question isn't who is better than Lin... it's who could we get that is better than him? There's no reason to even bring up any other names. 

never know until you make the trade calls.

[datruth]

Lin will be ok, but I don't think McHale will allow Lin to shine. We can agree to disagree. McHale rotations seems to affect Lin and at times giving McHale more options is not a plus. McHale and Lin was tough act to watch last year, but maybe tough love is good. Many players have short comings, but the point is to concentrate on what you do best.  

[hizzobbes]

never know until you make the trade calls.

 

Some things you do know if you think about it a bit. All the guys on that list that are unarguably better than Lin we can not get with what we have that's realistically available (assets/players/cap situation). Not to mention how other teams value their players vs ours. Not everyone out there is a Rockets fan and they're going to see things through a different filter than we do. 

 

Not to say that things won't change, there can always be set up trades or player situations that could work in our favor, but as of right now... nope. 

[Buckko]

never know until you make the trade calls.

I'm starting to wander clutch if it would make you happy if we gut the team and gave up lin, asik, jones, smith, maybe demo too, and a couple 1st rounders for LA and lillard considering you seem to think if we get a PG that gives the same production and a redundant star to score 12 points a game, we will win the championship .

[Steven]

I'm starting to wander clutch if it would make you happy if we gut the team and gave up lin, asik, jones, smith, maybe demo too, and a couple 1st rounders for LA and lillard considering you seem to think if we get a PG that gives the same production and a redundant star to score 12 points a game, we will win the championship .

Sounds like a Rockets parade to me.

[Hockey the Harden Way]

Lin will be ok, but I don't think McHale will allow Lin to shine. We can agree to disagree. McHale rotations seems to affect Lin and at times giving McHale more options is not a plus. McHale and Lin was tough act to watch last year, but maybe tough love is good. Many players have short comings, but the point is to concentrate on what you do best.  

This is my issue with Lin....  Lin's number one strength was creating and making shots in the 5 to 10 foot range, which often left shot-blockers guessing whether to come out or meet Lin at the rim....  (This was what enabled "Linsanity".)  Coach McHale took the 5 to 10 foot option away, Lin then became a LOT more predictable driving to the basket.  And had a much harder time finishing at the rim.  Loss of that option also made Lin telegraph his kick-out passes to the perimeter, which was a cause for a lot of his turnovers.

 

This is why I think moving Lin would be the best option for the Rockets.  We gave him a large contract on a game based on strengths that turned out to be incompatible with McHale's offensive philosophy.  And even if Lin becomes effective from 3-pt territory, is it still worth the 8.3 million?

Edited by Hockey the Harden Way, 27 July 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[Losthief]

probably not: http://www.draftexpr.../position/2012/

 

but so are alot of guys in that area (8mil-9mil) playing the point (though there are some real bargins in the 5mil-6mil range better than lin is right now). However, lin at least has upside compared to mo williams, jameer nelson and his tier he's on in that list. 

 

Lin's like 14th or 15th salary on that list cause JJ is listed on pg and sg both somehow (and i think new extensions, signings, etc etc aren't updated yet, so no jeff teague etc etc yet), so middle of the road point guard, maybe slightly below after the dusts settles is his set market value. Hopefully he gets there with some good 3pt shooting (38%+) and learns to play plus defense (giving us only harden to hide on the permiter which should be easy with Howard/Asik behind)....so if he gets to two achievable skills then maybe he's 'worth' 8.3mil on the open market.

[hizzobbes]

Is anyone here saying that if a good deal comes along that we shouldn't trade him? I don't think so. 

 

I think the problem is that some people want to trade him so badly they're not really looking into situations that would upgrade us at the PG. Then there are some people that just think that every other team's PG is available and they want our assets enough to give us whatever. Most of the guys on the list above are not attainable and the rest aren't an upgrade. 

 

If you know of a team out there that wants Lin and we'll end up getting a better PG out of the deal then please enlighten us, otherwise there's no real reason to debate it.

 

If you think we can trade Lin for other assets and promote Pat Bev to the starter then cool, lets see him beat out Lin for the spot and then I'm all for it. 

[rockets best fan]

I'm starting to wander clutch if it would make you happy if we gut the team and gave up lin, asik, jones, smith, maybe demo too, and a couple 1st rounders for LA and lillard considering you seem to think if we get a PG that gives the same production and a redundant star to score 12 points a game, we will win the championship .

wonder no more..........NO. however I don't share your view of what upgrades this team and what doesn't. I also don't share your opinion of Lin.

[rockets best fan]

Some things you do know if you think about it a bit. All the guys on that list that are unarguably better than Lin we can not get with what we have that's realistically available (assets/players/cap situation). Not to mention how other teams value their players vs ours. Not everyone out there is a Rockets fan and they're going to see things through a different filter than we do. 

 

Not to say that things won't change, there can always be set up trades or player situations that could work in our favor, but as of right now... nope. 

just because you don't see a team broadcasting to move a player doesn't mean said player isn't available. that's why the calls must be made first.

[rockets best fan]

Is anyone here saying that if a good deal comes along that we shouldn't trade him? I don't think so. 

 

I think the problem is that some people want to trade him so badly they're not really looking into situations that would upgrade us at the PG. Then there are some people that just think that every other team's PG is available and they want our assets enough to give us whatever. Most of the guys on the list above are not attainable and the rest aren't an upgrade. 

 

If you know of a team out there that wants Lin and we'll end up getting a better PG out of the deal then please enlighten us, otherwise there's no real reason to debate it.

 

If you think we can trade Lin for other assets and promote Pat Bev to the starter then cool, lets see him beat out Lin for the spot and then I'm all for it. 

prediction...........Beverly will take Lin's job if he stays with the rockets this season and he will do it before Christmas.

[CC.]

prediction...........Beverly will take Lin's job if he stays with the rockets this season and he will do it before Christmas.

He needs to learn how to lob to Howard like how Lin did with Chandler, practice that pick and roll', aaaaaand he needs to foul less if he's going to be getting starter minutes. You don't want him out during the fourth quarter do ya 

[Cooper]

I'm starting to wander clutch if it would make you happy if we gut the team and gave up lin, asik, jones, smith, maybe demo too, and a couple 1st rounders for LA and lillard considering you seem to think if we get a PG that gives the same production and a redundant star to score 12 points a game, we will win the championship .

You wouldn't trade asik Lin smith jones and some firsts for lillard and LMA? That would be a huge steal