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[Rockets fan newton]

Loved that article Brayn..I want it noted that his first trade was my fav as well with the Kings..an he even had the clevland trade as well..I would love Bosh on the team he is already good at being third option..he can def Pf an space the floor..would work great for both teams but don't see Lebron on board for that..and I agree with the article that Morey will move Asik is just waiting on the best option..and I really believe that there is really good deals to be had..also though I agree that Portland and Miiny won't just give up their players..at the deadline if they are not in the race for a good playoff spot they will look to deal..which is y Morey might wait..I really believe all of those players including Bosh might get moved at he deadline..and we all know Morey loves to steal great players from teams looking to move them..really really excited to see what Mory decidedly to do..I know it's going to be great

[timetodienow1234567]

Most of the pro-Lin and anti-Lin debate has been solid debating. But bringing up the fact that he couldn't get a D-1 scholarship has no bearing on his life as an NBA player. If you want to say 13/6 isn't good enough, that's one thing, but some of your arguments are nonsense.

[thejohnnygold]

It's interesting to note that Greg Smith is getting lost in the shuffle here.  I still think that guy has great potential as a bruising post player.  I think having Dwight here can help him advance that as they have similar bodies and skills (Smith may be more skilled).  I think there would be teams interested in his services if the ROX think DMO and TJONES are the guys....that gives us a little more trade bait.

[timetodienow1234567]

It's interesting to note that Greg Smith is getting lost in the shuffle here.  I still think that guy has great potential as a bruising post player.  I think having Dwight here can help him advance that as they have similar bodies and skills (Smith may be more skilled).  I think there would be teams interested in his services if the ROX think DMO and TJONES are the guys....that gives us a little more trade bait.

 

Smith is more skilled than Howard??? That says a lot about Howard, doesn't it?

[Steven]

Most of the pro-Lin and anti-Lin debate has been solid debating. But bringing up the fact that he couldn't get a D-1 scholarship has no bearing on his life as an NBA player. If you want to say 13/6 isn't good enough, that's one thing, but some of your arguments are nonsense.

It shows that he is not a good enough athlete to get one of the 3000+ scholarships offered by D-1 coaches. It has a lot of bearing as to why people say he isn't a good defender (better athletes). He is a decent enough basketball player to be in the league, but should be the Rockets third PG making the minimum. Like someone told me about stats, somebody as to accrue them considering the minutes he played 13/6 was below average.

[timetodienow1234567]

He is a third string PG that should be making the minimum........Not sure how to respond to that.

[bearkat414]

Why would we not keep both Lin and Asik this year while the contracts are still manageable.  Asik is a bargain, lin might have been over paid...Morey's odds are 50/50.  If Asik can play effective back up, why not sit until a time comes that we could actually get someone who would make more than a marginal impact on the team.  If he will play along we will all win, including him.  Not the biggest Lin fan, but agree with the sentiments of who could we get that is any better for the price required.  If he could just dribble the ball lower a little more naturally.  I mean he's got to be pretty smart I would assume, so maybe some of the poor decisions will abate. 

[Rockets fan newton]

He is a third string PG that should be making the minimum........Not sure how to respond to that.

That's some of the craziness I have been talking bout..just stright disrespectful toward your own player..I still love that none of your disrespectful Lin talkers are not brave enough to say what he will average next year..can 1 of you PLEASE say what you think Lin will average next year as a starter..I have been on record saying he will get 17p9a a game next year..so please step up and stop saying he is a 3rd string player and say what he will average next year PLEASE!!!!!

[Steven]

10 and 7 with a PER of 12.5. While giving up a PER of 17.5 to other PGs.

[timetodienow1234567]

Lol. I could see those numbers if he has a reduced role but not the PER.

[Rockets fan newton]

Ok..lol u think he will do that much worse then he did last year....ok...his Per was 15 which is the league average..make sure to be around after the season starts..im pretty sure your going to look real bad LOL...Anyone else?..any other "fans" brave enough to give us Lin's numbers as a starter

[rockets best fan]

Ok..lol u think he will do that much worse then he did last year....ok...his Per was 15 which is the league average..make sure to be around after the season starts..im pretty sure your going to look real bad LOL...Anyone else?..any other "fans" brave enough to give us Lin's numbers as a starter

he will average 17and 8 for someone else

[Rockets fan newton]

he will average 17and 8 for someone else

Lol that's y ur my Boy..atleast you make some sense with your hating of Lin..but for real bro what do u think Lin will do next year..I really want to here your opinion..you and I agree on everything else..I want to see how far we are from apart on this

[bryan22583]

Loved that article Brayn..I want it noted that his first trade was my fav as well with the Kings..an he even had the clevland trade as well..I would love Bosh on the team he is already good at being third option..he can def Pf an space the floor..would work great for both teams but don't see Lebron on board for that..and I agree with the article that Morey will move Asik is just waiting on the best option..and I really believe that there is really good deals to be had..also though I agree that Portland and Miiny won't just give up their players..at the deadline if they are not in the race for a good playoff spot they will look to deal..which is y Morey might wait..I really believe all of those players including Bosh might get moved at he deadline..and we all know Morey loves to steal great players from teams looking to move them..really really excited to see what Mory decidedly to do..I know it's going to be great

 

Glad you liked it…it's an up and coming site (probably more coming than up at this point).  I think there's definitely a deal to be had with Sacramento.  They're reshuffling the roster with new ownership at the helm, and even though it was a terrible team, there's lots to like in terms of individual talent.   Rockets could do much worse than something like J. Thompson (super underrated) and Marcus Thornton as a sixth man.  Not sure that Heat are quite ready to move Bosh (I would be…not a great fit in Miami, although that's a hard statement to defend given a second consecutive ring, but would be amazing next to Howard).  If they are, Asik would go a long way towards solving their rebounding issues.  We shall see, definitely will be interesting to see how it plays out. 

[miketheodio]

the risk at this point is trying to do too much. the rockets and the fans have been desperate for some time. harden is here. howard is here. maybe constantly thinking superstar upgrades need to be evaluated.

the rockets need to practice as a team more than anything. give lin a chance to see if he has improved. if it's the same as last year, then ship him by the deadline or next year. asik is tougher cause he apparently wants out although id like to see how it plays out.

also. quality role players. at this point it is a bigger deal to find role players than to find another star. role players are big in the playoffs. the stars do not, and will not be able to do everything. think horry, ellie.

[Dan G]

That's some of the craziness I have been talking bout..just stright disrespectful toward your own player..I still love that none of your disrespectful Lin talkers are not brave enough to say what he will average next year..can 1 of you PLEASE say what you think Lin will average next year as a starter..I have been on record saying he will get 17p9a a game next year..so please step up and stop saying he is a 3rd string player and say what he will average next year PLEASE!!!!!

I'm not really in the category of "disrespectful Lin talkers" but I am in the camp that Lin is overrated, so I'll give a prediction. With the addition of Howard, if Lin is on our team the whole season (big IF) I predict Lin's scoring will stay right around last season's average of 13.4 +/- a point. He did finish strong last season but with Howard and Harden commanding the ball so much, other peeps' scoring is going to suffer. I think the same thing goes for Chandler Parsons. I do think Lin's assist numbers should go up though and I'm hoping it will be in the 8 range.

 

So to sum up for Lin my prediction will be 12-14 PPG to go along with 8 APG.

[Dan G]

Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil next season and a whopping 15 mil his final season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?

Edited by Dan G, 10 July 2013 - 07:58 AM.

[rockets best fan]

Lol that's y ur my Boy..atleast you make some sense with your hating of Lin..but for real bro what do u think Lin will do next year..I really want to here your opinion..you and I agree on everything else..I want to see how far we are from apart on this

17 & 8......Lin isn't a terrible player.......just not a good fit with us. if he goes to a team that will allow him to control the ball more often than not he will average 17 & 8..........if he stays here 13 and 7 maybe

[thejohnnygold]

You guys got me to thinking so I went and checked out the '94-'95 roster.  The Olajuwon/Drexler combo is close enough to Howard/Harden in my book.  Check out the per game stats for the supporting cast...

 

After the two "stars" the scoring load gets split pretty evenly across the board.  Look at Kenny Smith.  His scoring avg had declined over the past 4 seasons down from 17 ppg.  Yet, his PER was the third best of his career and he posted a killer .640 TS%.

 

I think we will need to remember this as a reference for next season.  We need guys like Parsons, Lin, Garcia, PF-X, etc. to be efficient--and they should be as defenses focus on stopping Howard and Harden.  With solid backups behind Lin, Parsons (Garcia), and two PFs vying for the starter's role I think we'll see more reasonable splits in playing time which will only add to the "watering down" of each player's stats.

 

Would it be so bad for this to happen?

 

Lin: 12 & 8 assists

Parsons: 12 & 4 assists & 7 rebs

Garcia: 10 & 6 rebs

Bev: 8 & 3 assists & 5 rebs

Jones & DMO (combined): 18 & 12 rebs

 

This still leaves James Anderson, Greg Smith, and Omer....what are they going to contribute?  I'm unsure as their role is unclear to me.

 

Still, figuring about 26 a night for Dwight and about 21 a night for James doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

So, that's 60 points from role players and another 47 from the stars (107 total)...and I don't feel like my estimates are very high...maybe shave a few off of Garcia, and 1-2 off of Lin and Parsons....either way---we're going to score and it should be pretty well balanced.

 

Defensively, I think (given our pace) that somewhere between 96-98 points a night is a fair estimate.

 

Talking upgrades at this point does seem moot when looking at things in context.  We have a squad more than capable of producing everything we need on both ends of the floor with the flexibility to go big, small, or whatever.  Four 3 pt. shooters around Dwight?  No problem.  Dwight, Asik, D-Mo, Parsons, and Harden/Lin for a crazy tall line-up?  No problem.  I could go on, but the point is clear....this roster is awesome and Lin fills his role as passive-shooting-sometimes-run-the-show-PG perfectly.  So what if he's over-paid....Parsons is underpaid...and so is Bev....Morey did this and it will all work out fine.

 

Looking at the Rockets roster as a whole entity I see nothing wrong with it.  It is isolating Lin amongst his peers that creates all this hullabaloo.  The good news is we're not playing 1 on 1.  Lin will do great next year--maybe not in filling the stat sheet--but in fulfilling his role on this team I have no doubt we will get our $8.3M worth.

[miketheodio]

Completely agree. No need to go after big fish anymore. With harden and howard, players don't need to put up all star numbers. Parsons may avg a bit more than that prediction. They just need solid play. Nothing herculean.

Edited by miketheodio, 10 July 2013 - 03:45 PM.