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[timetodienow1234567]

My thoughts on Mchale are known. There are no more excuses. He either performs or gets canned.

[Knickabokkaz]

Dang harden wasn't even shooting 40% FG and he averaged almost 5 TO per game. Those stats aren't pretty.

I tried to explain this on twitter but its even worse then just the playoffs, his last 2 months in the regular season he didnt shoot over 40% and averaged about 5 turnovers. Thats why I laugh when I hear SUPERSTAR status for James Harden and I try to emphasize this...

 

"Just because you take the most shots and your chucking up 20+ shots a game to average 25 ppg, does not make you a SUPERSTAR, defense, and FGE% matter too"

 

Jeremy Lin stats for March:

FG% 48.2%

3pt% 40.0%

EFG% 53.9%

Assists 5.0 per game

Turnovers 2.9 per game

 

James Harden: stats for March:

FG% 38.9

3pt% 42.2

EFG% 48.9%

Assists 6.6 per game

Turnovers 3.0 per game

 

Jeremy Lin stats for April:

FG% 44%

3pt% 36.4%

EFG% 50.4%

Assists 6.1 per game

Turnovers 2.6 per game

 

James Harden stats for April:

FG% 39.0%

3pt% 30.0%

EFG% 45.8%

Assists 5.8% per game

Turnovers 5.1 per game

 

Stats say Lin was actually the more efficient player the Harden was the last 2 months of the regular season, and EVERYONE ignored it. Is that to say Lin is the better player, NO, its just stating the past 2 months.

Edited by Knickabokkaz, 09 August 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[timetodienow1234567]

Lin improved while Harden got worse. There's no denying that.

[Cooper]

You can single out 2months of any players career that are poor and make them look like not a star.

[thenit]

I'm a big proponent of Lin but you are taking things out of context. You have to factor in fts in effiency and who you are guarded by.
Lin IMO is a good player who can create shots, but in evey argument you keep bringing up superstars to compare with Lin. That's just loses my confidence in your arguments. Especially when you keep reverting to in no means do I mean x player is worse or on par with Lin.
People are set in their opinions and you won't convince anyone. Sorry bro

Ps I'm on your side just trying calm this debate.

[Cooper]

My thoughts on Mchale are known. There are no more excuses. He either performs or gets canned.

Lot of pressure on him to get Howard to fit with the team.

[thenit]

Ei lins first 5 games were better than any player since the merger, and now I can compare him to Jordan lbj etc. let Lin play speak for itself instead of putting up pro Lin stats. The same can be said to anit Lin proponents. It's easy to cherry pick stats. Just saying

[Knickabokkaz]

*note to self., just ignore them...even though I just said "Is that to say Lin is the better player, NO, its just stating the past 2 months."

 

I think when Harden grows and Lin grows as a team with D12, with Parsons, with Asik,.. as a TEAM, all players become more efficient.

I pointed out 2 months, so what? Lin outplayed Harden for 2 months, its no big deal, Harden was the better player the other months. Harden is THE better player, there's no disputing that. You need me to say it again? HARDEN IS BETTER THEN LIN. We clear now? 

 

What I AM saying is that you cant just put players together look at number and that's how they will play. Names on paper is all it is. Thats what this past season was all about. Building a core and teamwork. In all reality, Lin will be more efficient along with Harden and vice versa in their 2nd yr. Adding Dwight is going to make it easier for BOTH of them and Parsons will continue to be even more efficient.

[Steven]

It didn't make a difference if he had played or not. Sure we got momentum for a couple games but nobody has comeback from 0-3 and we were outclassed by the thunder.

The Boston Red Sox were down 0-3 and were down a run in the ninth against the greatest closer of all time. 2 weeks later "The Idiots" finished off their sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals. Not only has it been done, it would have propelled the Rockets over the Tans into the WCF. But because of Jeremy Lin (with help from Greg Smith) we didn't get to see the I-10 WCF series.

[Steven]

HARDEN IS BETTER THEN LIN.

Duh! As is 10 other Rockets and 300 NBA players.

Edited by Steven, 09 August 2013 - 03:07 AM.

[timetodienow1234567]

The Boston Red Sox were down 0-3 and were down a run in the ninth against the greatest closer of all time. 2 weeks later "The Idiots" finished off their sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals. Not only has it been done, it would have propelled the Rockets over the Tans into the WCF. But because of Jeremy Lin (with help from Greg Smith) we didn't get to see the I-10 WCF series.

Irrelevant comparison
Irrelevant assumptions
Irrelevant post

[Steven]

Irrelevant comparison
Irrelevant assumptions
Irrelevant post

Sorry facts bother you.

[BrentYen]

Duh! As is 10 other Rockets and 300 NBA players.

Duh....

[BrentYen]

Sorry facts bother you.

It more of the nonsense bothers people.

[timetodienow1234567]

Facts? Assumptions are not facts. Here are some facts for you that you might not know

1) Basketball is different than baseball
2) Nobody knows what would have happened. It's your opinion.
3) Opinions are NOT facts.

God, you sucked me in again. I may disagree with your chosen role on this board, but you are a highly effective troll. There's no denying that.

[Buckko]

The Boston Red Sox were down 0-3 and were down a run in the ninth against the greatest closer of all time. 2 weeks later "The Idiots" finished off their sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals. Not only has it been done, it would have propelled the Rockets over the Tans into the WCF. But because of Jeremy Lin (with help from Greg Smith) we didn't get to see the I-10 WCF series.

FYI never done in basketball, we would had never beat the thunder in the series and everyone agrees.

Edited by Buckko, 09 August 2013 - 03:39 AM.

[Cooper]

In reality the thunder were just a better team overall, even if Lin was healthy and Greg smith played less the best we get is to game 7.

[Steven]

Facts? Assumptions are not facts. Here are some facts for you that you might not know

1) Basketball is different than baseball
2) Nobody knows what would have happened. It's your opinion.
3) Opinions are NOT facts.

God, you sucked me in again. I may disagree with your chosen role on this board, but you are a highly effective troll. There's no denying that.

You didn't say no one in basketball has ever come back from 0-3, you said NO ONE has come back from 0-3. I clearly gave an example in which a professional team went on to win four in a row after falling behind 0-3. Now due to proving my point, you holler semantics to try to the ignore the other fact about how it built momentum causing a easy victory in the next series. Which I then use to form my opinion that the Rockets would have beaten the Memphis Tans given Lin stayed on the bench and let the Rockets win the series with the Thunder.

[BrentYen]

You didn't say no one in basketball has ever come back from 0-3, you said NO ONE has come back from 0-3. I clearly gave an example in which a professional team went on to win four in a row after falling behind 0-3. Now due to proving my point, you holler semantics to try to the ignore the other fact about how it built momentum causing a easy victory in the next series. Which I then use to form my opinion that the Rockets would have beaten the Memphis Tans given Lin stayed on the bench and let the Rockets win the series with the Thunder.

Why are we discussing baseball?

[2016Champions]

I tried to explain this on twitter but its even worse then just the playoffs, his last 2 months in the regular season he didnt shoot over 40% and averaged about 5 turnovers. Thats why I laugh when I hear SUPERSTAR status for James Harden and I try to emphasize this...

"Just because you take the most shots and your chucking up 20+ shots a game to average 25 ppg, does not make you a SUPERSTAR, defense, and FGE% matter too"

Jeremy Lin stats for March:
FG% 48.2%
3pt% 40.0%
EFG% 53.9%
Assists 5.0 per game
Turnovers 2.9 per game

IJames Harden: stats for March:
FG% 38.9
3pt% 42.2
EFG% 48.9%
Assists 6.6 per game
Turnovers 3.0 per game

Jeremy Lin stats for April:
FG% 44%
3pt% 36.4%
EFG% 50.4%
Assists 6.1 per game
Turnovers 2.6 per game

James Harden stats for April:
FG% 39.0%
3pt% 30.0%
EFG% 45.8%
Assists 5.8% per game
Turnovers 5.1 per game

Stats say Lin was actually the more efficient player the Harden was the last 2 months of the regular season, and EVERYONE ignored it. Is that to say Lin is the better player, NO, its just stating the past 2 months.

Lin wasn't more efficient. You're ignoring free throws.

Edited by 2016Champions, 09 August 2013 - 04:33 AM.