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[Stephen]

Other than a lot of hype coming out of college,WTF has Mayo done?

The PER of an average player is 15.0,Mayo has never been above 14.7.

His first full yr as a starter and his PPG Per 36 Minutes tied his career low.

Memphis tried to make him a PG and it was a dismal failure. Considering it's the same coach who's brought along Conley...it ain't the coaching.

In Dallas he became notorious for his amazingly stupid late-game turnovers.

 

And Harden as a PG? And people whined about his D at SG. How ugly will it be when he tries to defend Westbrook,Paul,Parker,Curry,Conley,Lillard,Collins,Rubio? And you think he massages the ball too much as a SG...

 

The Rockets need...a back-up Center,a back-up SG,a back-up SF if Garcia is waived and Delfino's broken foot shelves him.

No Howard,that's where the money is going. To players on a Delfino type deal,1 yr guaranteed,another at team's option.

Anthony Morrow is the kind of player the Rockets would be looking at (and passing because he can't stay healthy).

[rockets best fan]

Those were cheap options to provide competition at that position, not the All Star ppl are pining for. McRoberts averaged a double double the last month and a half in Charlotte. Granted, buyer beware with the "good stats on a bad team" player, but nonetheless.

Earl Clark had his moments with the Lakers...look at his game logs in January and February before passing judgement.

I humbly retract my suggestion of Charlie V.

true those are cheap options.......but they are cheap for a reason........that aren't good players. none of them are better than what we already have in the rooks. if that's your opinion I respect that, but I wouldn't touch them with gloves on

[Mason Khamvilay]

I agree with RBF, those players suck.

 

What about Mike Dunleavy? He made only 3m this season, and he's alot like Francisco Garcia with better passing. 

[RollingWave]

one potential guy to look at that has been getting some notice is Martell Webster though, he's disappointed long enough that many didn't notice that he seem to have really turned a corner this year in Washington.  And he's should be cheap enough that you can probably grab him with something like a mid level exception or less. Though I wouldn't mind having Francisco Garcia back for the same job though. (assuming on the smaller deal.)  Webster's 5 years younger though.

 

Finding depth is actually less of a issue because Morey's proven beyond much of a doubt that he can find talents where no one else can. It was kind of by design this year that we had a bunch of rookies which sometimes made life hard when all of them struggle but that's kinda a long term outlook thing. having that talent to actually play together with a semblance of a plan, especially on defense, is a bigger concern.

 

In the end, I'm fairly confident Morey will make the best moves he can realistically pull off

[Matt Maloney's Ghost]

My list that excludes the obvious,(Howard, CP3, Smith, Milsap.)

 

These guys SHOULD come cheap;

 

1. AK47: A vet. A great wing defender. We need more D.

2. Omri Casspi: Restricted: A great replacement for Delfino, 6'9, His career took a dive in CLE but I loved how he played in SAC

3. Andray Blatche: I think he should be cheap, he might be overpaid. He showed promise in his post game. Maybe he finally matured? Mchale might be the right coach for him.

[Mason Khamvilay]

My list that excludes the obvious,(Howard, CP3, Smith, Milsap.)

 

These guys SHOULD come cheap;

 

1. AK47: A vet. A great wing defender. We need more D.

2. Omri Casspi: Restricted: A great replacement for Delfino, 6'9, His career took a dive in CLE but I loved how he played in SAC

3. Andray Blatche: I think he should be cheap, he might be overpaid. He showed promise in his post game. Maybe he finally matured? Mchale might be the right coach for him.

 

AK47 would fit but he's expensive, he's not even close to being worth how much he would demand. 

 

Omri Casspi is someone Morey was looking at along with Aaron Brooks, obviously he went with Aaron Brooks instead but I wouldn't be surprised if he remains interested in Casspi.

 

Blatche made quite a few bonehead plays in the playoffs, if he has matured it isn't by much. If Blatche comes to Houston, I won't be surprised if he ends up the 3rd string PF by season's end. 

[RollingWave]

yeah, on AK you kick the tires the but odds are he'll end up too expensive, it's hard not to like his game though.

 

Outside of Howard / Paul, the rest is really a matter of who can be signed at the most reasonable deal. sometimes you never know, every year somehow one of those guys expecting big money ends up missing the whole boat and signs for something much lower than expected, I suspect that Morey, if he can't get the biggest fish (and odds are he won't) would just stay his hand until someone gets desperate.

[manmythlegend]

true those are cheap options.......but they are cheap for a reason........that aren't good players. none of them are better than what we already have in the rooks. if that's your opinion I respect that, but I wouldn't touch them with gloves on

 

If you can show me 48 combined good minutes from Thomas Robinson and Royce White in a Rockets uniform this year, you win this argument. 

 

I'm not talking upside or potential here...I'm talking about the here and now. 

 

Clark got favorable reviews from this Lakers fan blog: http://www.lakersnat...ark/2013/04/29/

 

McRoberts performed well during his limited run with the Bobcats: http://espn.go.com/n.../josh-mcroberts

 

I think the negativity towards those two players (particularly McRoberts) may be due to past reputation as opposed to what they've done currently.  They aren't great players, but they aren't trash either, and both certainly would have been more productive at PF for the Rockets than the rookies this season.

[thejohnnygold]

Royce White??  Nobody is including Royce White in this debate

 

The point, I think, is that there is no point in spending cap space on those guys as one of Terrance Jones, D-Mo, T-Rob, or even Greg Smith is going to improve this Summer and show up next season at least as good as one of those guys and still have higher ceilings.  Those guys might be good back-ups to sign for cheap one day, but for a starting PF on our team I want more than McRoberts or Clark.

[Cooper]

Mcbob has sucked his whole career he's a hustle effort guy that's nice and all but he has no actual basketball skills. Clark is solid but a lot like jones and we need more of a wing player and a SG than another pf. Their should be some solid players left in the draft with the second we got from sac if morey could fill one of those holes through the draft it would make FA a lot easier. Get Howard/smith/milsap and a backup at whichever wing spot you didnt draft to and be set.

[timetodienow1234567]

The peak of a hustle energy guy is Noah or Varejao. Scola's pretty good too. But those guys are few and far between.

[rockets best fan]

If you can show me 48 combined good minutes from Thomas Robinson and Royce White in a Rockets uniform this year, you win this argument. 

 

I'm not talking upside or potential here...I'm talking about the here and now. 

 

Clark got favorable reviews from this Lakers fan blog: http://www.lakersnat...ark/2013/04/29/

 

McRoberts performed well during his limited run with the Bobcats: http://espn.go.com/n.../josh-mcroberts

 

I think the negativity towards those two players (particularly McRoberts) may be due to past reputation as opposed to what they've done currently.  They aren't great players, but they aren't trash either, and both certainly would have been more productive at PF for the Rockets than the rookies this season.

I don't use fan blogs to decide if I like a player or not. I use the eye test and none of these guys passed. also considering we have to pay to bring this garbage here.......NO THANKS.......I want to see a big splash this summer and these moves sound more like getting caught in a bed of fire ants

[thejohnnygold]

You've had me chuckling a lot lately, RBF, keep it up...

[Steven]

I don't use fan blogs to decide if I like a player or not. I use the eye test and none of these guys passed. also considering we have to pay to bring this garbage here.......NO THANKS.......I want to see a big splash this summer and these moves sound more like getting caught in a bed of fire ants

I agree with you for the most part. Either a big splash (d12 or cp3) or no splash. I'd rather go into next year with this roster then have somebody's castoffs.

[rockets best fan]

I agree with you for the most part. Either a big splash (d12 or cp3) or no splash. I'd rather go into next year with this roster then have somebody's castoffs.

that's the thing most here don't see. we are looking for a star. we have not reached the point of filling out the team yet. we have to see how that said star impacts the team b4 tying ourselves down for multiple years with add ons

[manmythlegend]

I don't use fan blogs to decide if I like a player or not. I use the eye test and none of these guys passed. also considering we have to pay to bring this garbage here.......NO THANKS.......I want to see a big splash this summer and these moves sound more like getting caught in a bed of fire ants

Fair enough. I concur with not relying on fan blogs for player evaluations...although wouldn't that technically invalidate all of the comments & evaluations on this website?

The chances of Houston landing D12 or Paul are slim to none; Morey is good but not that good. I still contend adding one of those players to the mix is better than hoping the current options pans out.

[rockets best fan]

Fair enough. I concur with not relying on fan blogs for player evaluations...although wouldn't that technically invalidate all of the comments & evaluations on this website?

The chances of Houston landing D12 or Paul are slim to none; Morey is good but not that good. I still contend adding one of those players to the mix is better than hoping the current options pans out.

I disagree on D-12..........I think we have better than 50/50. I hear everybody talking about where D-12 should play except D-12. I think once morey makes his pitch D-12 will be ours.......consider some of these facts

1. howard doesn't get along with the coach + the lakers have said they are not changing the coach.

2. the lakers do not play a style that benefits howards talents

3. there is no way to tell what kobe will look like when he comes back if he comes back...and even then he's only signed for 1 more year.

4. howard has been off and on feuding with nash and kobe

5. howard described the lakers past season as a nightmare

6. even tho the lakers are old this next year...after next year they have nothing and would be building a team from scratch aside from howard

7. the money is not as big of a difference after you consider taxes

8. the laker are so far over the tax line they have pretty much no way to improve the team until 2014

 

that's just some of the disadvantages to returning to LA..........here are a few on coming to Houston

 

1. play with an established young star in harden

2. chance to start contending for a title immediately with a good young team

3. can be focal point in offense along with harden

4. come to a place he is wanted by both the fans and media

5. doesn't have the weight of past legacies hanging over him like in LA

6. can be with a team that truly get along with each other. join a brotherhood in the locker room which will be more comfortable to live with

7. be with a team that can continue to improve because they aren't tied down by the cap like LA

[Richards]

RBF, absolutely agree with all of your points. Logical and make sense. It is no doubt Rockets is the best destination for players like Howard.  But Howard being Howard, so I don't expect D12 see and feel the same.

[manmythlegend]

Rbf:

All are sensible arguments in favor of D12 coming. But we are talking about Dwight Howard here...there's a reason why his drama with Orlando was termed "Dwightmare".

Judging purely on the surface of things, Howard doesn't necessarily seem like a guy who is bloodthirsty for championships. He seems more like someone who loves to be loved.

All of the stuff with him calling last season with the Lakers a "nightmare", all of the bellyaching about how he was being used, all of that may either be truthful insights (maybe) or posturing by Howard and his handlers to force the Lakers to "show him the love" (likely).

I can buy him not wanting to stick around for the twilight of Kobe's reign in LA, but all that changed when Kobe tore his Achilles...an injury few athletes come back from to perform anywhere near their preinjury levels. The talk of amnestying Bryant's massive contract next year is gaining steam. Even if that doesn't happen, Bryant's date of return next season is uncertain, and so will his performance. With Nash and Gasol breaking down, Howard is the only star left of that group who is reasonably healthy and on the right side of 30 years of age. I'd find it difficult to believe that LA would surrender Howard for whatever mash of players and picks Houston would give in order to obtain him in a sign and trade, unless Howard flat out refuses to re-sign with the Lakers. LA is a town of superstars, and they've got the largest one in the NBA (literally).

As for the comment about the brotherhood in the Rockets locker room being better than the Lakers, realize that a few of those players who have worked hard on establishing that chemistry (Parsons, Lin, Asik) would be used as trade bait for a player who single-handedly destroyed the chemistry in Orlando with his "will I stay or will I go" routine, and who also labelled his Orlando teammates as "players that no other NBA team wanted".

[manmythlegend]

BTW, my previous post was not an argument against Houston trying to acquire Howard; I believe they should, especially if either Parsons or Asik stays with the Rockets under any sign-&-trade scenarios. I just find it hard to believe Howard and his handlers would leave LA, especially with Bryant's retirement age seemingly accelerated after his injury.