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[thejohnnygold]

I also wouldn't mind a trade with Denver that involved Lin and D-mo ( players I think they might covet) for Kosta Koufos, Jordan Hamilton, and Andre Miller.  We get a better fit at PG with excellent poise and experience, a SF that I think is poised to break out, and a solid back up center.  That still leaves our cap room unchanged......We could still go after Millsap for $10M and sign him outright and leave a little coin in the bank.

 

That leaves this roster:

 

Beverley/Miller

Harden/Anderson

Parsons/Hamilton

Millsap/T-Jones/T-Rob/G.Smith

Asik/Koufos

 

Perhaps we could send T-Rob away for a little more depth at guard...

[Steven]

Mosgov is a FA.

[rockets best fan]

I also wouldn't mind a trade with Denver that involved Lin and D-mo ( players I think they might covet) for Kosta Koufos, Jordan Hamilton, and Andre Miller.  We get a better fit at PG with excellent poise and experience, a SF that I think is poised to break out, and a solid back up center.  That still leaves our cap room unchanged......We could still go after Millsap for $10M and sign him outright and leave a little coin in the bank.

 

That leaves this roster:

 

Beverley/Miller

Harden/Anderson

Parsons/Hamilton

Millsap/T-Jones/T-Rob/G.Smith

Asik/Koufos

 

Perhaps we could send T-Rob away for a little more depth at guard...

JG what scares me is Denver might go for this trade  however from a rocket stand point I would rather see t-rob leave over d-mo

[blakecouey]

I also wouldn't mind a trade with Denver that involved Lin and D-mo ( players I think they might covet) for Kosta Koufos, Jordan Hamilton, and Andre Miller.  We get a better fit at PG with excellent poise and experience, a SF that I think is poised to break out, and a solid back up center.  That still leaves our cap room unchanged......We could still go after Millsap for $10M and sign him outright and leave a little coin in the bank.

 

That leaves this roster:

 

Beverley/Miller

Harden/Anderson

Parsons/Hamilton

Millsap/T-Jones/T-Rob/G.Smith

Asik/Koufos

 

Perhaps we could send T-Rob away for a little more depth at guard...

 

I've liked Hamilton since he was a Longhorn.  I'd be thrilled to see him in red, and agree he's a gem waiting to be uncovered, he will play well in the NBA if he's given the minutes.

I don't know if Beverly is ready to start a full season, and he'd pretty much have to if Miller was the other option, but his experience would be valuable for our young guys.

 

 

I'd like to grab Mayo.  I think he will fetch 9m a year, maybe 10m, but I don't know that he's enough to propel us to title contention.  If he wasn't enough, we'd be limited on the other big piece that we could get so I'm just not sure it's the right move.

[Richards]

I like Morey's idea. Sign an experienced PF for 1 yr if failed to get CP3 and D12.

Develop current young players and 2014 FA has more options.

[blakecouey]

If we go signing an experienced PF(even for just a year) we HAVE to get rid of one of our young guys at the spot.  I don't want to lose Jones, he's shown the most so far, but I also like DMos potential, especially with another year of NBA practices and some more minutes.  That being said, T Rob was a 5th overall pick, and got so few minutes you really can't tell what he can become, and it makes no sense to trade that for a pick IMO(an established player, possibly).

[thejohnnygold]

What about this blasphemous trade....a deal with the lakers!!!!

 

Send Lin, Garcia, and one of our PF's to LA for Pau and Steve Blake.  Blake is an excellent pg to put beside Harden and Pau is Pau.  Pau comes off the books after one year and we can re-sign or let him walk making us players in 2014 FA.  We should still have enough room to sign another $10M or so guy....maybe Mayo?

 

That creates this line up:

 

Blake/Beverley

Harden/Mayo

Parsons/some guy Morey pulls from thin air (maybe we can retain Delfino)

Pau/(probably t-rob and d-mo)

Asik/Greg Smith

 

All in all, that's solid.

 

Lakers might swing this trade to try and keep Dwight in town (plus they could use the $$$ Lin brings to pay off that luxury tax)...Lin/Garcia/Terrance Jones in D'Antoni's system would be a pretty good upgrade for them.

[John P]

since we are talking about it...

I don't know how the number work but I would say the only people to really make a difference in this team is Howard and CP3.  After that it is adding top role players at best.

 

What I would like to see starting if we can't sign Howard or CP3 is:

 

PG: Beverly (keeps the team energy/morale up, good D, chaos agent, fearless)

SG: Beard (if I have to tell you why, go watch golf)

SF: Parsons (see SG above)

C: Asik (see SG above)

PF: either of the Jazz FA's for hopefully only 2 years guaranteed but I doubt that is possible

 

6th Man: Lin (he can also be an agent of chaos for good and sometimes for evil but he and Beard do not coexist easily.  He has great talent and possiblities but I just don't see playing him with Harden long term)  Maybe he becomes our Manu?

 

I get that we don't want to tie up too much money in FA but after Howard and CP3, you are basically looking at Bosh or an old Dirk to slide into PF the next year.  I think that getting mature player on the team at PF helps develop our young PFs and also stabilizes the young team.  

 

If we can get a decent PF for relatively cheap, does anyone know how much Iggy is going to cost in FA next year?  I thought they did an extension with Denver but I could be wrong.  

 

Anyway, just my thoughts.

John

[blakecouey]

Iggy was reportedly thinking about opting out of his contract from what I heard the other day, meaning he will be a FA THIS year.  

 

Article: http://nba.si.com/20...-player-option/

[Steven]

Fransico Garcia CANNOT be traded. Either he is released (99.9999% chance) or he counts for over $6M on the cap.

[RollingWave]

Really? Steve Blake?  you could argue that there are better guys than Lin, and there are, but Steve Blake is not very close to being one of them. he's had 1 season out of 10 (I hope you realize he's going to his 11th season next year) that count as something that resemble a slightly above average starting PG. There's almost nothing you can say about Steve Blake that correlates with a good starting PG , other than maybe that he shoots the 3 fairly well, which isn't exactly the main criteria for a PG. He's got almost all the problems Beverly have, except that he has a huge sample size to prove that he's not gonna fix those (like a career .405 FG rate despite a 380+ 3P rate.), not at age 33. 

 

 

Gasol would probably get amnestied, so yeah lets help the Lakers out there. 

 

(also, that trade won't work unless we don't plan on signing any significant FA, because Gasol's salary is over twice that of Lin's. and if we sign anyone at all, even a mid level exception guy, that probably already push us over the cap and thus we can only trade up 150% of the salary we're sending which if it's Lin 8 + Dmo 1 is like 9 M = 13.5 M.) 

[thejohnnygold]

Dang!  I am not purporting that Blake is better than Lin (again, this is all fun speculation--I want to keep Lin, personally).  I do think his skill set would work well next to Harden.  I am aware he's been around awhile--I watched him all 4 years when he was at Maryland.  I think he's a solid player--not great, but solid.

 

I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic about Pau...I'm guessing yes.

 

According to Steven, Garcia has a clause that prevents a trade so the deal doesn't work anyways.  I think it would have only been about a $7M addition of salary so I think it would have worked otherwise.

 

I think an amnestied Pau addition would be great.....if his knees hold up...

[thejohnnygold]

Iggy was reportedly thinking about opting out of his contract from what I heard the other day, meaning he will be a FA THIS year.  

 

Article: http://nba.si.com/20...-player-option/

 

Does Andre Iguodala still qualify as a "star"?

[RollingWave]

I think Iguodala is a borderline star, though he does it in a different way than most.

 

this can be expanded to something far longer, but my general view is that, for this team to have any real chance at a title run, you can NOT assume that Harden play D like he did this season. he MUST change that, so moves that more or less says "we're doing this to cover Harden's awful D" really shouldn't be a option. because if Harden playing no D is part of the long term plan, that plan would be a lot of first round exits or 9th place finish in this brutal conference where almost every playoff team would be like the 2nd best team in the East.

 

in the East you might have a one man team do enough to make it to the finals then hope the stars align for a few games, in the west, that's not going to happen for 4 strait series.

 

Now, I totally agree that Harden's lack of D has at least something to do with the team's often lack of other options offensively that forces him to go all in on that end of the ball (though it must be noted, that the team actually doesn't go to Harden as much as say.. Melo or Kobe or iverson back in day. ), but at certain point it is also a mentality adjustment he need to make, because there is something of a 6th man mentality in that as well, because even Kobe played good defense when he was actually winning championships.

[LashtonBryth]

No on Mayo.  No on Blatche.  

 

If they can't sign Dwight Howard, I'd like to see them take Pau Gasol for the year, since he'll be on the last year of his contract.  The Lakers are so far above the tax line that you wouldn't have to give them much to get the deal done, and Gasol is a nice stop-gap between this year and the free agent crop of 2014.  If things work out well with Pau, you have his bird rights and if they don't, he's a free agent and you have a bit more cap room with guys like Royce White getting into the team option portion of their contract (and an assumed higher salary cap).  

[rockets best fan]

No on Mayo.  No on Blatche.  

 

If they can't sign Dwight Howard, I'd like to see them take Pau Gasol for the year, since he'll be on the last year of his contract.  The Lakers are so far above the tax line that you wouldn't have to give them much to get the deal done, and Gasol is a nice stop-gap between this year and the free agent crop of 2014.  If things work out well with Pau, you have his bird rights and if they don't, he's a free agent and you have a bit more cap room with guys like Royce White getting into the team option portion of their contract (and an assumed higher salary cap).  

agree

[Mason Khamvilay]

Daryl Morey on the big show today: 

 

(Any overseas guys playing summer league or coming over to join the team next season?) Aldemir and Llull, we do have interest in bringing them over. Aldemir has a better chance than Llull. I don't see Aldemir playing summer ball because of how FA lays out. We won't be able to sign him before he can play summer ball. ... We're gonna play in Orlando. We wanted both (Orlando & Vegas) but the league made that impossible. ... Our roster probably gets themselves in more trouble in Vegas.

 

I'm not sure how much of our cap space it would cost to bring them over though, does anyone here know roughly?

[manmythlegend]

I may be one of the few here who think that the Rox don't necessarily need to add an established, expensive All-Star, but have a budding one already on the roster in Parsons. To add an established star may serve to stunt the growth of the up and comers on the team (and may force the Rox to let Parsons walk when his rookie deal is up or trade him for pennies on the dollar).

The only player who wouldn't have that effect would be CP3, although I think either the Clips or Knicks will be the team he ends up with.

I'd like for the Rox to shore up the power forward/center spots. There are decent options available that won't cost an arm and a leg, like Josh McRoberts, Earl Clark, Charlie Villanueva and AK47.

Linsanity was both a blessing and a curse for Lin: On the one hand, it let him show the world what he could do with a basketball. OTOH, people expect him to live up to that nearly impossible standard. If he managed to earn a starting role with the Rockets without Linsanity, his perception would be far different; he would be the underdog that beat the odds as opposed to the overrated, overpaid Asian dude who can't shoot or dribble gooder than he should.

Point guard is the toughest position to master, and most players need an opportunity to grow into the position. Mike Conley is in his 5th season as the starting PG in Memphis but is only now entering into the discussion of upper crust point guards. I wouldn't blame Morey if he traded Lin if it meant bringing in that coveted 2nd All Star to Houston (and it may be good for Lin to get out from under McHale and Harden). But if Lin stays here, he should be given the opportunity to suffer the growing pains that virtually all point guards in the NBA do.

[rockets best fan]

@manmythlegend

did you say josh mc Roberts. earl clark, charlie Villanueva? you're kidding right?  I wouldn't take one of these players if they agreed to play for free  you couldn't surgically put the 3 of them together and get 1 good player

[manmythlegend]

Those were cheap options to provide competition at that position, not the All Star ppl are pining for. McRoberts averaged a double double the last month and a half in Charlotte. Granted, buyer beware with the "good stats on a bad team" player, but nonetheless.

Earl Clark had his moments with the Lakers...look at his game logs in January and February before passing judgement.

I humbly retract my suggestion of Charlie V.