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[rockets best fan]

Both things are inclusive: current roster + current coach = playoff now! Having CP3 or in some people's case, (especially yours) another coach (let's say Pop just for fun) are future topics.

true that is whats happening now. however why should that stop us from discussing the future of the team? I think all of us love the rockets and we discuss every aspect of the team at random. why should this be some special (don't discuss the future time frame)? if you thumb through this thread you will find many prior to our postings who have expressed their views on what's happening now. we are pretty much in agreement. nothing more to discuss if we agree. so without this additional subject this thread would already be dead. so I don't get it why is it bad for fans of a team to discuss any aspect of that team at any time. please enlighten me

[ale11]

It's not bad, I'm just trying to encourage all from enjoying a bit more what's happening now, that's all don't punch me

[rockets best fan]

It's not bad, I'm just trying to encourage all from enjoying a bit more what's happening now, that's all don't punch me

sorry if I offended...was not my intention. just thought you were trying to make a point there......my bad please accept my apology

[ale11]

Don't worry RBF, I didn't take it personally or felt offended at all

[rockets best fan]

Don't worry RBF, I didn't take it personally or felt offended at all

yeah the debater kinda came out in me.  me, thejohnnygold, 2016champions, and phaketrash have been debating most of the day.

[mannythegoat]

Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.

[rockets best fan]

Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.

hello mannythegoat.....welcome to the forum. why should we accept the inevitability of j-smith without even kicking the tires to see if cp3 or d-12 would be interested?

[Mason Khamvilay]

Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.

First of all, welcome to the forum. Second of all, I agree. Obviously we all expect Morey will do his due diligence in going for option A, but most of us aren't delusional enough to think option A will actually leave Hollywood. 

[rockets best fan]

First of all, welcome to the forum. I'm new here too btw.

 

The people talking about Josh Smith are working on the premise that Dwight and Cp3 will resign with their respected teams, but we still expect Morey to do his due diligence in trying. No one said we should go after option B before going for option A first. You a new here so no one expected you to know this, but RBF should have known this and relayed it to you as it has been stated several times by at least three different members. 

mannythegoat is entitled to his own opinion.......which by the way may differ from yours....please let him speak for himself

[Mason Khamvilay]

I totally misread what he was saying. I actually agree with him, the chances of Dwight or Cp3 leaving Hollywood isn't even worth talking about. Morey will try, fail, and move on to option B--it's inevitable. . 

[Steven]

I totally misread what he was saying. I actually agree with him, the chances of Dwight or Cp3 leaving Hollywood isn't even worth talking about. Morey will try, fail, and move on to option B--it's inevitable. .

And option B is status quo because beside CP3 no one out there is a big enough upgrade over the current roster to warrant signing to big money. Now if somebody is willing to sign a one year deal, that's ok. If more years is required, Morey needs to stand pat. You need two A players to win a championship, besides CP3 their isn't a second A player to match with Hardin. Smith and Millsap are both C players at best.

[Richards]

Big 3 model is only proven method to win championship. Two stars might not be enough to counter Heat. Clippers has two stars with deep bench but still not a top contender. Clippers fan can blame it on coach but it is very sure CP3 will get whoever he wants as coach. Will he has same power if he join rockets? Or will CP3 think Rockets is a better team than Houston? For Howard, he like bright lights than trophy. I believe Howard is more likely to stay.

[Steven]

Miami will be busted up after next season. Too much money. Your planning for the 2015 title.

[phaketrash]

Big 3 model is only proven method to win championship. Two stars might not be enough to counter Heat. Clippers has two stars with deep bench but still not a top contender. Clippers fan can blame it on coach but it is very sure CP3 will get whoever he wants as coach. Will he has same power if he join rockets? Or will CP3 think Rockets is a better team than Houston? For Howard, he like bright lights than trophy. I believe Howard is more likely to stay.

 

This is where I disagree. Clipps have one star: CP3. Blake Griffin is not really a 'star' per se. He's really fun to watch, and even though his last few seasons have stagnated a bit, there's a lot of potential there due to his age. But I don't think he's quite at star level. 

 

Big 3 model can't be the only proven method to win. It has only won once lol. Celtics I guess you can count as another similar win, but in between LAL won twice w/ a big 2 model (essentially, since Bynum was useless in one and not at a star lvl per se in another), and Mavs had a big 1 model. Not sure why big 3 model is the only "proven" method to win when it seems as successful as other recent winners, not to mention all the past wins that were NOT big 3 models. Why are we discounting all of those?

[phaketrash]

And option B is status quo because beside CP3 no one out there is a big enough upgrade over the current roster to warrant signing to big money. Now if somebody is willing to sign a one year deal, that's ok. If more years is required, Morey needs to stand pat. You need two A players to win a championship, besides CP3 their isn't a second A player to match with Hardin. Smith and Millsap are both C players at best.

 

I will disagree on them being 'C' players, but I will say I can see the argument that they aren't the 'A' stars that we're looking for. But you guys seem to have this weird perception of our salary cap. It isn't something indefinite that we carry over. It'll be very different around the time we have to re-sign Parsons, Lin and Asik (2015), so we're really asking, do we want to spend it THIS summer...or NEXT summer. That's all.

[Steven]

I will disagree on them being 'C' players, but I will say I can see the argument that they aren't the 'A' stars that we're looking for. But you guys seem to have this weird perception of our salary cap. It isn't something indefinite that we carry over. It'll be very different around the time we have to re-sign Parsons, Lin and Asik (2015), so we're really asking, do we want to spend it THIS summer...or NEXT summer. That's all.

I know and I wanna spend it next summer. This summer has average players besides CP3.

[Mason Khamvilay]

Name 3 "A class" players next summer who are likely to leave to their team. 

[phaketrash]

Name 3 "A class" players next summer who are likely to leave to their team. 

 

I have thought of this myself and few come to mind, part of why I have become less excited about 2014 FA.

[Steven]

Bosh might be forced out
LeBron LA/Cleveland
John Wall
Paul George
Danny Granger
Demarcus Cousins

[Mason Khamvilay]

Bosh might opt out, but there's no guarantee he will. For all we know, all 3 Heatles might opt out and resign for less just so they can stay together and make history. 

If you think Lebron is coming to Houston you're more delusional than Bun B. 

John Wall will be a restricted free agent, and Washington will match any offer. 

Paul George is also a restricted free agent, and Indiana will match any offer.

Danny Granger is not an "A class" free agent, plus we already have Parsons.

Demarcus Cousins is also a restricted free agent, and Sacramento won't let him go for free. 

 

So as you can see, our 2014 options aren't that great. The best unrestricted agent in that class I can see signing with Houston is Pau Gasol who is already turning 33 this year.