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[phaketrash]

I don't know if I am comfortable tying up $48.5M of our $58M salary cap on 3 players...esp. if one of them is JSmith. Don't get me wrong, I like Smith, but it'd be quite a team change to net these players.

 

I'd do it for CP3/Howard though. $48.5M on Harden + Howard + CP3. $9M left after the ~$1.5M on White we can't move/change. Bev + Anderson + GSmith + Parsons + DMo + TJones = $2M left; $2M left for 2 fillers, like Olbrecht and whoever Morey finds in his sleep.

 

That's CP3/Harden/Parsons/DMo/Howard starting, with Bev/Anderson/TJones/GSmith/Olbrech/White/?? on the bench. That's a dream team...lol so pretty.

 

We'd have to move Lin/Asik/TRob, but I mean, I could see LAL taking all 3 in a S&T for Howard. If not, it is still somewhat flexible. Get it done Morey!

 

 

[rockets best fan]

I don't know if I am comfortable tying up $48.5M of our $58M salary cap on 3 players...esp. if one of them is JSmith. Don't get me wrong, I like Smith, but it'd be quite a team change to net these players.

 

I'd do it for CP3/Howard though. $48.5M on Harden + Howard + CP3. $9M left after the ~$1.5M on White we can't move/change. Bev + Anderson + GSmith + Parsons + DMo + TJones = $2M left; $2M left for 2 fillers, like Olbrecht and whoever Morey finds in his sleep.

 

That's CP3/Harden/Parsons/DMo/Howard starting, with Bev/Anderson/TJones/GSmith/Olbrech/White/?? on the bench. That's a dream team...lol so pretty.

 

We'd have to move Lin/Asik/TRob, but I mean, I could see LAL taking all 3 in a S&T for Howard. If not, it is still somewhat flexible. Get it done Morey!

 

got to agree cp3 harden and howard is a dream team. (IMO) that would mean we need to start looking at routes for the championship parade

[Richards]

You can scratch off A and C.

 

Like I posted in another thread, an aspiring or big name PG will not come.

They know Harden need that ball and that meant fewer opportunity for them. 

 

They are also aware that why Harden come off bench at OKC instead of starting with Westbrook.

[Paradise]

In my dreams A is 100%.

 

As well as my other fantasy of signing all 3. Smith, Howard, and Paul with no care on Salary Cap, just the want to win a Championship. 

[Ostrow]

I agree that they aren't a good fit at all.  But I just feel like with a guy like Paul, he will just figure out how to make it work.  Maybe I'm overrating him, not sure.  Kind of like how people said the same thing about Lebron and Wade.

 

I absolutely agree. If you can get him, get him.  The only difference I see is that Wade is not nearly the player he once was and LeBron is clearly the best player in the league.  Who would defer between Paul and Harden?  Harden has some experience, w/ Durant and Westbrook, but I don't know.  Doesn't fit, but do it if you can, those 2 are smart enough to make it work.

[phaketrash]

I absolutely agree. If you can get him, get him.  The only difference I see is that Wade is not nearly the player he once was and LeBron is clearly the best player in the league.  Who would defer between Paul and Harden?  Harden has some experience, w/ Durant and Westbrook, but I don't know.  Doesn't fit, but do it if you can, those 2 are smart enough to make it work.

 

Keep in mind Wade and Lebron had that same awkwardness their first yr, and actually, well into the second yr. Wade in the playoffs, esp. early on, looked frustrated because he was adjusting to his new role (or his new age lol)...either way, he did not seem comfortable for one reason or another. This yr, bam, Wade is back on top, though he plays differently. He's gone from superstar 1b to super sidekick 1a, and that really works in the context of everything. 

 

I'm sure Harden and CP3 could easily figure it out. And having 2nd units led by either CP3 or Harden (having one on the court at all times) is just sick.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I agree with phaketrash. 

 

I can see it already, pick and rolls disguised within pick and rolls, defenses stressed out scrambling back and forth with no idea when or where the pass or shot is coming.  

 

Call me crazy though, but I think Josh Smith improves our defense more than Cp3 improves our offense. We have far more room for improvement on the defensive end than we do on the offensive end. Even without Cp3 we could be the best offense in the league next season simply but being more well versed at doing what we've been doing. On the other hand we need the addition of an elite defender if we want to be an elite defensive team. 

[ale11]

I agree with phaketrash. 

 

I can see it already, pick and rolls disguised within pick and rolls, defenses stressed out scrambling back and forth with no idea when or where the pass or shot is coming.  

 

Call me crazy though, but I think Josh Smith improves our defense more than Cp3 improves our offense. We have far more room for improvement on the defensive end than we do on the offensive end. Even without Cp3 we could be the best offense in the league next season simply but being more well versed at doing what we've been doing. On the other hand we need the addition of an elite defender if we want to be an elite defensive team. 

 

 

I see the logic there and you have a point, but having CP3 would improve our IQ and that means less turnovers, which turns into less transition points for the opposition, which turns into better defense.

[Mason Khamvilay]

Good point. I have an extremely high opinion of Cp3 as a player so it doesn't take much to convince me. With Cp3's high IQ floor spacing shouldn't be a big problem everytime we play Greg Smith next to Asik, and we saw against the Clippers how good our defense can be with that front court.  

[phaketrash]

I believe I heard once that if you look at all the statistical measures, CP3 is the best PG of all time. Might explain why Morey loves him so much.

[Mason Khamvilay]

The statistical measures I'm familiar with suggest Chris Paul is a top two pg of all time, but I don't know about best. I wish I had access to all the statistical measures Morey uses.  

[Mason Khamvilay]

It's hard to find a way to see everyone's RAPM (this stat is incredibly accurate if you get a large enough sample size. If I had to choose only one stat to compare players, I would choose RAPM) but according to this article Chris Paul's RAPM is even higher than Lebron's. 

[RollingWave]

Hoopspeak live just talked about Paul today, and points out that it is rather rare for a top 5 player to be close to 30 and never fought past the 2nd round. and it looks unlikely for the Clippers this year too, at what point do we start putting doubts on Paul himself? he has more control over matters than any player in recent memory of his team, and its not exactly doing great.  And it's not their first year together either.

 

A strange observation is the Paul in his career have been pretty solid defensively, but this year the Clippers are much worse defensively with him on the floor than when he's not. which is hard to see why. 

 

Blake Griffin... I don't think he's really overrated, from a % POV he's been great this year, legitimately star level at least, and pushing super star. he's clearly improved his game since his rookie year. 

[Richards]

No question about Paul's bb IQ and I hope he can make it "work" with Harden.

The real question is will he sacrifice his stats to win championship?

 

Winning championship drove Lebron "mad". He shared the stage with Wade and Bosh. He took less money and less shots. I truly believe LeBron can win all those awards out there if he wanted to. Including scoring title. But he settled for ring.

 

Does Paul has same ambition? 

[bboley24]

Are you all really willing to let Asik go for Howard?  Since 2004 id say yes!  Even if Omer was like 15...  but this year...  after this drama with Royce White... a guy that doesn't play and no one cares about... I can seriously see what a single player can do to a franchise with attitude alone.  

 

Yes he's amazing in all facets but the kid brings a stink.  Demarcus is another one.  Omer just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  Look at these teams that win championships.  Show me the fuss with the guys on top.  Im not seeing it.

 

Now CP3 on the other hand...  id do whatever possible to get him in a Rockets Uni.

[thejohnnygold]

I still say bring in Howard and put him next to Asik at PF--spacing be damned!  The defense would be other-worldy and our post offense wouldn't suffer either.  Getting rid of asik is a tough sell as he is proving to be quite the player and bargain.

[Steven]

I still say bring in Howard and put him next to Asik at PF--spacing be damned! The defense would be other-worldy and our post offense wouldn't suffer either. Getting rid of asik is a tough sell as he is proving to be quite the player and bargain.

Yea lets go from the most exciting offensive team, to the least exciting offensive team. If Howard comes in Asik should leave. Even if DirectTv got a contract with CSN I still wouldn't watch the Rockets with Howard and Asik playing together. Talk about boring.

[Richards]

Yeah. If we got Howard, he would say:

 

- My old teammate at Lakers are old & injured players nobody wanted.

- Kobe was way overrated.

- Metta was dirty and no peace

- Nash was old and slow

- Pau was a bench warmer

- Antoni had no D, 

- other guys, I don't remember their names

[phaketrash]

I still say bring in Howard and put him next to Asik at PF--spacing be damned!  The defense would be other-worldy and our post offense wouldn't suffer either.  Getting rid of asik is a tough sell as he is proving to be quite the player and bargain.

 

Haha that was what I was hoping for months ago! 

[phaketrash]

Yea lets go from the most exciting offensive team, to the least exciting offensive team. If Howard comes in Asik should leave. Even if DirectTv got a contract with CSN I still wouldn't watch the Rockets with Howard and Asik playing together. Talk about boring.

 

Wait...why would it be boring? Last few games have seemed pretty exciting to me (and many people have loved how our ball movement and play style have been, myself included!), and that had a similar team composition. Now we'd just add Harden back in, who likes to drive the lane. While the paint would be more clumped and Harden's driving might be slightly hindered, adding something inadequate on top of something that is already adequate does not make the result...somehow more inadequate lol.