Will the Rockets Pull Another Last Second Trade?

The Rockets pulled off something rare last season. Houston traded for a star in James Harden, and they did it as late in the off season as possible. Harden barely had time to step off the plane before his debut game against the Detroit Pistons, having been traded a mere three days prior. With a roster overflowing with serviceable players and a trigger-happy general manager in Daryl Morey, are the Rockets still due for one big move this off-season? Let’s weigh the possibilities.

While nothing is likely to come of it, NBA veteran Royal Ivey is reportedly working out for Houston and San Antonio. He’s bounced around the league for his entire nine years, moving from the Hawks to the Bucks, to the Sixers, to the Thunder. He’s never distinguished himself particularly well, and the Spurs and Rockets are likely just testing the waters. He would, however, be the 20th player under contract for Houston, the 19th being Ronnie Brewer, another journeyman known for his defense.

The most likely scenario involves the Rockets cutting their undrafted rookies, B.J. Young, Robert Covington and Jordan Henriquez. All are on the books for a mere $490,180 and only Covington has any (the first year) guaranteed. Letting them go and tucking them away in the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, Houston’s D-League affiliate, is just the type of more the Rockets prefer. That would allow them to learn Houston’s system, and likely be available in the future, should they show promise or should the Rockets later need players.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t resolve the logjam. With Brewer, Houston would still be one over the roster cap of 15. A potential Ivey signing moves them to 17 players, even after dropping the rooks. With players like Marcus Camby, Francisco Garcia, Omri Casspi, Reggie Williams and Aaron Brooks all collecting minimum salaries, there would be some very hard decisions to be made. Training camp will likely be brutal for both the players and the team. With this degree of competition for the fifteenth spot on the roster, position, long term fit, chemistry, and marginal advantage all must figure into the Rockets’ basketball calculus. Some players (Camby, Garcia, Casspi, and rookie Isaiah Canaan) all have guaranteed salary, while the rest of the new hires do not. Even this may be a major part of Houston’s thinking.

If things become too difficult, there’s always a nuclear option of sorts. If another team could use them, Houston can try to package a few of these players together for some minor reward. Trying to bundle young prospects in exchange for Philadelphia’s Thaddeus Young has got to be on Morey’s radar. The Sixers are attempting to be truly terrible, and Young is one of the two best players on the team. With the promise of young players and perhaps a draft pick, Houston might be able to upgrade the forward position off the bench while helping the Sixers in their quest to grab the top draft pick this coming year.

If a package for a player they actually want is off the table, Houston might simply try to snag a second round draft pick from a team that simply needs vets to fill the bench. Not every team is laden with 20 players, and many of them have thoughts of contention. If Houston must lose four players anyway, they’d prefer to get something back, and not be on the hook for their salaries. Of course, even that may be too high a price, depending on what’s available later this summer. The Rockets may settle for simply moving the contracts in exchange for a lower number of players. In fact, trading them for nothing may be on the table, just to lower the potential cap and luxury tax hit.

The biggest reason to suspect a trade at 11:59 in the off-season is the continuing Ömer Aşık situation. Aşık has been quiet since reportedly demanding a trade immediately following the Dwight Howard signing. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’s accepted his role, however. Howard reportedly wants Ömer on his team, but if Aşık wants out and the right deal materializes, Dwight’s likely to accept another quality starter next to him. Daryl Morey has shown that he’s willing to be patient and wait for the right deal to come along before making any moves, and that’s why last year’s Harden trade is relevant. Both Morey and Thunder GM Sam Presti were willing to wait until the last moment to get a deal done. Don’t be surprised if Morey has been fielding and rejecting calls about Ömer Aşık all summer, only to package him with some players at the bottom of the bench in October.

Solving multiple roster questions in one fell swoop is the kind of grand move we’ve come to expect from Houston. True, another last minutes bolt of lightning this summer would defy all probability. Experience suggests that the summer’s moves are all but done, and that the Rockets will simply cut some players and head to battle in October. But with the history Morey has, and with the unusual situation the Rockets find themselves in, we always have to brace ourselves for lightning to strike again.

 

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  • CC. says 4 hours ago

    I'm rooting for D-Mo. There's something about the idea of having 2 faux-hawks and one mohawk on the court at the same time that makes me giddy.

    Let's not forget about Omer's afro-like curls.

  • thejohnnygold says 5 hours ago

    I'm rooting for D-Mo. There's something about the idea of having 2 faux-hawks and one mohawk on the court at the same time that makes me giddy.

  • Buckko says 5 hours ago

    Why do we have to go back to lin. All of you have obsessions about him. What happen to having decent and interesting conversation about Jones. Something productive.

  • rockets best fan says 6 hours ago

    True, he is not dumb, he definitely know something that we don't IMO. And I doubt he likes what he has heard during this summer.

    I agree. how he responds may play into how long he is here. if the Rockets feel the relationship has been damaged it may move them to resolved it sooner

  • BrentYen says 6 hours ago

    Yes we have discussed how, but will has also been part of it

    True, he is not dumb, he definitely know something that we don't IMO. And I doubt he likes what he has heard during this summer.

  • rockets best fan says 6 hours ago

    I thought the Question was always "How to trade him?" instead of "Will HOU trade him?"

    Yes we have discussed how, but will has also been part of it

  • BrentYen says 6 hours ago

    more on Lin

    Lin is part of a young nucleus of talent on the Rockets, along with James Harden and Chandler Parsons. Lin, 25, is entering the second year of his three-year, $25 million contract. Lin said it was too early to talk about his future with the Rockets.

    "Right now I know there's always speculation about what might happen," Lin said, "but I haven't made any decisions I haven't thought about it and I'm going to approach that question when the time comes."

    if that's not a player who has doubts about whether he will be part of the team or not..... what is?

    I thought the Question was always "How to trade him?" instead of "Will HOU trade him?"

  • Steven says 7 hours ago

    Seriously?

    If baseball players are traded for two dozen baseballs and a few bats, why not? Morey and Alexander made Lin their meal ticket.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 7 hours ago

    Morey will trade Lin to the Shangahi Sharks for a lifetime supply of eggs rolls from the China delight. By the end of the year, Morey will win that trade as well.


    Seriously?
  • bboley24 says 7 hours ago

    Very true. Talk about a kid with a head on his shoulders. He knows Houston threw him a bone. If he can't produce, DM will toss him to the wind. All hail DM.

  • rockets best fan says 7 hours ago

    more on Lin

    Lin is part of a young nucleus of talent on the Rockets, along with James Harden and Chandler Parsons. Lin, 25, is entering the second year of his three-year, $25 million contract. Lin said it was too early to talk about his future with the Rockets.

    "Right now I know there's always speculation about what might happen," Lin said, "but I haven't made any decisions I haven't thought about it and I'm going to approach that question when the time comes."

    if that's not a player who has doubts about whether he will be part of the team or not..... what is?

  • Buckko says 8 hours ago

    Jones can shoot, pass, handle the ball and drive to the basket, rebound, and shot block. He however plays faced up and has no post game, and we have yet to see his 3pt shot consistency and team defense play.

  • rockets best fan says 8 hours ago

    T Jones is a less talented Henson.

    I like Henson, but I think T-Jones will be better.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 8 hours ago T Jones is a less talented Henson.
  • Buckko says 8 hours ago

    I agree unfortunately :lol:T-Young and MCWshould not be on our radar. however the trade of Asik and Lin is more likely to happen than not (IMO) now T-Jones is off limits to me, but G-Smith maybe?

    Smith doesn't gather much attention.

  • rockets best fan says 11 hours ago

    Talks of trading asik, jones, and lin for a Thaddes and a rookie. Now we are starting to go off the deep end here. Now please stop making trade ideas that would kill us. You keep talking about us needing to trade so much for a 5th option PF when you have no faith in the PFs who have been practicing, training, improving, and building muscle. Please stop talking ludicrously.

    I agree unfortunately :lol:T-Young and MCWshould not be on our radar. however the trade of Asik and Lin is more likely to happen than not (IMO) now T-Jones is off limits to me, but G-Smith maybe?

  • Buckko says 12 hours ago

    Talks of trading asik, jones, and lin for a Thaddes and a rookie. Now we are starting to go off the deep end here. Now please stop making trade ideas that would kill us. You keep talking about us needing to trade so much for a 5th option PF when you have no faith in the PFs who have been practicing, training, improving, and building muscle. Please stop talking ludicrously.

  • Buckko says 12 hours ago

    I agree. AB is a better shooter, but is no where near the defensive player Bev is.

    Brooks is a far better scorer, but statistically Beverley isn't a fantastic defender, just a great energy guy. There's a difference.

  • ale11 says 12 hours ago

    I'm not to sure about that. I agree Philly is in the Riggin for Wiggins race, but the lost of T-Young would hurt to some degree. the kid MCW I'm really high on, he struggled in summer league and may struggle this whole first year in the league, but the kids upside is off the charts. most PG's in the league are between 6 feet and 6'3" this kid is 6'5" with outstanding reach and physical abilities. YES he should have stayed in college another year and I'm sure he will take his lumps in the league because of it.....YES he looks skinny now, but the talent is there. I bet you would have to give upsomething nice to get him away from Hinkie right now even though the kid is at least 2 years out on be coming a good player. Philly has time to wait on this kid to develop......we don't

    Exactly my point. Hinkie won't go for it because it's better to suck this year while developing a talented rookie handing him the keys so he can learn through struggle rather than bringing to player who will add some wins and both stagnates the tanking option while also keeping you away from the 2014 draft prize. Also, they will try to develop Noel at some point and Asik being there will stand on that way.

  • Buckko says 12 hours ago

    We want a really competitive training camp. I'm confused by the Brooks signing. The guy is washed up. Once he left Houston he sputtered and failed. But maybe he can get back up to form.

    Don't you ever dis Brooks, he's untouchable.

  • Buckko says 12 hours ago

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

    Dang you torched him with no mercy.

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  • Cooper says 12 hours ago I really think we could get young for a future first plus+ jones or Dmo or probably even smith. The only problem there is they have to reach the cap floor unless they don't mind spreading the excess money amongst their other players. I don't see why they'd want Lin, mcw is their guy for the moment even if he hasn't looked all that great yet. They might want asik in just a straight asik young swap where they throw in a little something, but asik isn't really young enough to fit in with their rebuild and by the deadline when a deal like that would be most likely it would really be a year and half rental which isn't all that appealing especially because they'd be in tank more that time, and even if they'd want to resign him they would end up with a large amount of cap to a guy that can't do a whole lot on offense and would be more valuable to a team that has stars that needs a defensive center.
  • rockets best fan says 13 hours ago

    Actually, I was thinking of just trading Lin and DMo/TJones and some extras. We'd still have Asik here. Lin/Asik for Young/MCW is WAY overpaying. I think Lin/TJones and Smith would be about right. Throw in a future swap of 2 round picks for the Morey Tax, and that's about right. Especially after that sweetheart deal we gave them for Royce. :D

    If you want to trade with Philly, best not to bring up that Royce deal :lol:

  • rockets best fan says 13 hours ago

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

    I'm not to sure about that. I agree Philly is in the Riggin for Wiggins race, but the lost of T-Young would hurt to some degree. the kid MCW I'm really high on, he struggled in summer league and may struggle this whole first year in the league, but the kids upside is off the charts. most PG's in the league are between 6 feet and 6'3" this kid is 6'5" with outstanding reach and physical abilities. YES he should have stayed in college another year and I'm sure he will take his lumps in the league because of it.....YES he looks skinny now, but the talent is there. I bet you would have to give upsomething nice to get him away from Hinkie right now even though the kid is at least 2 years out on be coming a good player. Philly has time to wait on this kid to develop......we don't

  • Freebird says 13 hours ago

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

    Actually, I was thinking of just trading Lin and DMo/TJones and some extras. We'd still have Asik here. Lin/Asik for Young/MCW is WAY overpaying. I think Lin/TJones and Smith would be about right. Throw in a future swap of 2 round picks for the Morey Tax, and that's about right. Especially after that sweetheart deal we gave them for Royce. :D

  • ale11 says 14 hours ago

    One item I see is that Philly may be below the salary floor, or close to it. Wonder if we could get MCW and Thaddeus for a package from Hinkie?

    Maybe KLove and Barea/Rubio? I also wouldn't mind a Lin/young'uns package for Marshall and Frye from PHO. Watched Kendall at UNC - he's an assist machine. Doubt they want/need another PG, though.

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

  • Forrest Walker says 17 hours ago

    Ahh, I probably should have been more specific. I'm aware that the vets can't move until December, but was thinking that with the new vets on the bench, some of the previous backups like Greg Smith, et. al. become a bit more movable, especially in a trade for someone like Thad Young. In some Lin/Asik scenario this still remains the case, and losing a Terrence Jones or a D-Mo might be what's needed to bring back that one big player, also bringing Houston to within the 15 man roster limit.

    Also, of course, Les might just really be on the luxury train and doesn't care about paying a couple minimum salaries for guys who aren't playing. They won't be hitting the tax line either way.

  • rockets best fan says 17 hours ago

    That's a bit overstated. AB is a good player, but I don't think he ever had, or will have, the defensive mindset PB has. They're both quick and undersized - that's where the similarities end.

    I agree. AB is a better shooter, but is no where near the defensive player Bev is.

  • Freebird says 17 hours ago

    That's a bit overstated. AB is a good player, but I don't think he ever had, or will have, the defensive mindset PB has. They're both quick and undersized - that's where the similarities end.

  • bboley24 says 18 hours ago

    Dawgin on my Abrooks. He will make you eat your words this year. Speaking from emotions of course. He is a Patrick Beverly with a three point shot and experience!

  • timetodienow1234567 says 19 hours ago We want a really competitive training camp. I'm confused by the Brooks signing. The guy is washed up. Once he left Houston he sputtered and failed. But maybe he can get back up to form.
  • Freebird says 20 hours ago

    Absolutely agree. I'm just trying to figure out what we're doing with all the extra resources Morey's been signing. I know injuries are a part of the game, but signing 4 extra folks over the 15 seems excessive, and doesn't do right by the players if we just up and release them after they lose out in training camp.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 20 hours ago Biggest team weaknesses
    1) starting PF
    2) backup SG
    3) starting PG
    4) backup PF
    5) backup PG

    However I think we have enough to win a championship with a good coach.
  • Freebird says 20 hours ago

    I agree that the combination of events that have occurred over the summer make one believe that something will be happening sooner or later. I think it would take a hell of a lot for a team to pry Asik away from us, at this point. We would have to significantly upgrade our 2 weakest positions - PG and PF. It seems like the real question should be 'what team has those kinds of resources of that caliber?'

    Yes, Portland has LMA, but there is zero change of us getting a PG from them. Atlanta has Horford, but not a PG we would want. Lots of maybes.

    One item I see is that Philly may be below the salary floor, or close to it. Wonder if we could get MCW and Thaddeus for a package from Hinkie?

    Maybe KLove and Barea/Rubio? I also wouldn't mind a Lin/young'uns package for Marshall and Frye from PHO. Watched Kendall at UNC - he's an assist machine. Doubt they want/need another PG, though.

  • rockets best fan says 1 day ago

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

    I think you are missing my point. any of these events by themselves have little meaning, but you start to string them together and a pattern starts to emerge. that's my point..........also I could have tossed more on Asik in.....Like his trade quest or McHale's statement of Asik being down in the dumps, but he would try to pick him up. the bottom line with these two players, you have one that wants out and the other seems to be in doubt of his status on the team. both are on contracts that it would benefit the Rockets to move. do I think the Rockets will trade them for scraps?.........NO. that's why they are still here. the Rockets will only trade them when they feel they have a trade that brings back value for them. I think the Rockets plan is to pursue a star caliber player, but there will be no fire sale.

  • CC. says 1 day ago

    to continue the pattern line of thought:

    as this off season has unfolded these events have transpired

    1. starting with the exit interviews their was a clear vibe given off by Beverly and Lin. we have discussed it here before, but now it appears it may have been the beginning of a pattern. after each players spoke to the media Bev kept saying McHale told him the sky was the limit for him while Lin was more subdued and said they discussed ways to improve his game

    2. Lin is nowhere near any of the D-12 recruitment process or the fan fair following.......yet Beverly was part of the fan fair.....hmmm

    3. Lin's slow reaction to the news of D-12's signing......considering how big this signing was there is no way G-Smith should beat him to twitter :)

    4. It's clear the Rockets shopped Lin before the D-12 signing to explore what he would bring on the market, but later settled on the T-Rob deal. some feelings may have been hurt there

    5. Lin opened up to crowd about.....well you know the interview......like I mention above while courageous...it's almost taboo for NBA players. do you think the Rockets were happy? maybe they sensed him separating and that's why a couple of players showed up at his basketball camp because he clearly seem surprised on his next tweet. Morey said in the D-12 interview that D-12 and Harden wanted Lin and Asik on the team yet almost everything the Rockets have done seems like it's preparing their departure(more on that in a minute)

    6.Lin's statement I explored above( he hasn't practiced with D-12) if the informal gathering in LA wasn't for training together then what was it for?

    7. Morey's AMA (ask him anything) feed he address Linwith a thumbs up, but look later what he said about Asik (Asik is astarter+ player. with that said he would rather play for a winner)..........Translation: Asik still wants out, but doesn't want to go to the Bobcats :lol:there is a high possibility the Rockets will move Lin in any Asik deal. the likely player they would be chasingwould probably require Lin's salary to make the money work

    8. the Rockets have 4 PG's and 4 C's on the roster.....they knew Lin, Beverly and Canaanwere on the roster when they signed Brooks. they knew D-12, Asik, G-Smith and D-Mo were on the roster before they sign Camby. why would you give out guaranteed money to vets who expect playing time in already stacked positions on your team? Camby made it clear leaving NY he wanted to play and play for a contender.

    9. whether we like to brush it aside or not, MONEY...........we are aware of how their contracts work, 5 mil this year eachfor both Asik and Lin and 15 mil nextyear for both with cap hits of 8.3 mil both this year and next. it only makes sense that the Rocket try to move at least one of these contracts especially if they want to shorten Parsons deal so they can retain him in restricted free agency. I could go on about the other benifits of moving both of these contracts, but I think you get the picture.

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

  • CC. says 1 day ago

    It would make no complete sense, if Lin or Asik were to leave without the Rockets receiving someone of value. NO SENSE at all. Especially if it's not an equivalent PG as Brooks with the starter minutes he's had, he should not convince anybody he's ready to be the starter PG. He's capable of doing it, don't get me wrong, but his sample size isn't large enough. So what's the issue in hurrying a trade? Why do some want Lin or Asik gone so sudden? Lin is a PnR PG/right-hand slasher who already knows how to play with Harden! Do ya'll know how important chemistry is?? Why take him away and put an outsider to start!? Nooooo sense. Asik on the other hand, playing possibly as a back-up center, is a lot more movable because of the paycheck he's owed, and makes sense to trade him away when possible for the right deal, as he is starter-worthy and shouldn't be gone cheaply.

    I think we're getting a little over our heads as of what to happened last season with obtaining Harden. The Rockets have been surprising us lately, and they've all been good surprises-Harden,Beverley,Robinson,Canaan,Howard-but we can't just let two of last season's starters be packaged away for LMA or a pack of bubblegum. So patience...

  • rockets best fan says 1 day ago

    So, in your opinion, will Morey settle for getting nothing or very little back, just send Lin and/or Asik away? Or any legit target that is still there in the market?

    I think they haven't traded already because the right deal isn't on the table yet, but that can appear any time. Morey will not let Asik go for nothing......no pennies on the dollar deal for sure. Lin value on the trade market is a question mark at this point.....maybe they are hoping he has a decent preseason to up that value. it's unclear if they think enough of both D-Mo and T-Jones to feel the PF position can be manned properly without and upgrade......if they are confident it can then it's even more unclear what they may be chasing

  • BrentYen says 1 day ago
    .........................

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

    So, in your opinion, will Morey settle for getting nothing or very little back, just send Lin and/or Asik away? Or any legit target that is still there in the market?

  • rockets best fan says 1 day ago

    to continue the pattern line of thought:

    as this off season has unfolded these events have transpired

    1. starting with the exit interviews their was a clear vibe given off by Beverly and Lin. we have discussed it here before, but now it appears it may have been the beginning of a pattern. after each players spoke to the media Bev kept saying McHale told him the sky was the limit for him while Lin was more subdued and said they discussed ways to improve his game

    2. Lin is nowhere near any of the D-12 recruitment process or the fan fair following.......yet Beverly was part of the fan fair.....hmmm

    3. Lin's slow reaction to the news of D-12's signing......considering how big this signing was there is no way G-Smith should beat him to twitter :)

    4. It's clear the Rockets shopped Lin before the D-12 signing to explore what he would bring on the market, but later settled on the T-Rob deal. some feelings may have been hurt there

    5. Lin opened up to crowd about.....well you know the interview......like I mention above while courageous...it's almost taboo for NBA players. do you think the Rockets were happy? maybe they sensed him separating and that's why a couple of players showed up at his basketball camp because he clearly seem surprised on his next tweet. Morey said in the D-12 interview that D-12 and Harden wanted Lin and Asik on the team yet almost everything the Rockets have done seems like it's preparing their departure(more on that in a minute)

    6.Lin's statement I explored above( he hasn't practiced with D-12) if the informal gathering in LA wasn't for training together then what was it for?

    7. Morey's AMA (ask him anything) feed he address Linwith a thumbs up, but look later what he said about Asik (Asik is astarter+ player. with that said he would rather play for a winner)..........Translation: Asik still wants out, but doesn't want to go to the Bobcats :lol:there is a high possibility the Rockets will move Lin in any Asik deal. the likely player they would be chasingwould probably require Lin's salary to make the money work

    8. the Rockets have 4 PG's and 4 C's on the roster.....they knew Lin, Beverly and Canaanwere on the roster when they signed Brooks. they knew D-12, Asik, G-Smith and D-Mo were on the roster before they sign Camby. why would you give out guaranteed money to vets who expect playing time in already stacked positions on your team? Camby made it clear leaving NY he wanted to play and play for a contender.

    9. whether we like to brush it aside or not, MONEY...........we are aware of how their contracts work, 5 mil this year eachfor both Asik and Lin and 15 mil nextyear for both with cap hits of 8.3 mil both this year and next. it only makes sense that the Rocket try to move at least one of these contracts especially if they want to shorten Parsons deal so they can retain him in restricted free agency. I could go on about the other benifits of moving both of these contracts, but I think you get the picture.

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

  • rockets best fan says 2 days ago

    it was widely reported that he was there, by both the Rockets writers and player twitter, your reading something that just isn't there, "training with him" probably means specific plays ran between the 2 ,

    if he was there why would he make that statement? that open up other questions. was he there, but didn't see the floor much because other PGs were hogging time? the workout was informal.......was he feeling left out of the team during this workout? if he played he and D-12 should have run the P&R many times if this is going to be one of your bread and butter plays, so how does he hasn't worked out with him sound......wasn't that the purpose of the gathering in LA in the first place? J-Lin has been very reserved during this off season. both Harden and Parsons have gone Hollywood and Lin has not sought the spotlight......hmmm. then the speech where he opened up about his feelings.......while I admire his courage this is almost taboo for an NBA player. most would be terrified to let something out like this outfor fear of appearing weak in front of their peers. I'm sure the Rockets would have rather he not opened up. I thought I was just imaging things when he wasn't part of the team to recruit D-12 and his slow response to the news, his not being near any of the D-12 fan fair.........but I'm beginning to see a pattern. he does not sound like a confident player. Lin may be seeing the writing on the wall. sure Lin fans will justify all of these actions.......but I see a pattern

  • RollingWave says 2 days ago

    I'll tell you the biggest thing that got me when I read this article. Lin said that he had not trained with Howard yet this was after the whole team was supposed to have gotten together out in LA. makes me wonder he was part of that or not. I had assumed he was. something else that got me was him being unsure of his status on this team. It appears to me he's not sure he will be here

    it was widely reported that he was there, by both the Rockets writers and player twitter, your reading something that just isn't there, "training with him" probably means specific plays ran between the 2 ,

  • rockets best fan says 2 days ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

    I'll tell you the biggest thing that got me when I read this article. Lin said that he had not trained with Howard yet this was after the whole team was supposed to have gotten together out in LA. makes me wonder he was part of that or not. I had assumed he was. something else that got me was him being unsure of his status on this team. It appears to me he's not sure he will be here

  • BrentYen says 2 days ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

    I think you are over-analyze it, he probably just meant, "I can not control if trade happens or not, just wait and see"

  • Stephen says 2 days ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

  • Buckko says 2 days ago

    Stand Pat, prove me right Morey.

  • rockets best fan says 2 days ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if we pull off a major trade at the deadline

    while I tend to agree......you never really know with Morey. I think he is waiting for the right deal. whether that presents itself now or at the deadline he won't pause for a moment to pull the trigger. its more about the right deal than timing.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 days ago I wouldn't be surprised if we pull off a major trade at the deadline
  • RollingWave says 2 days ago

    Forrest, I hope you realize the obvious issue here.

    You can NOT trade guys you just signed, it's in the CBA, of the guys we can trade right now is basically

    Harden

    Lin

    Parsons

    Asik

    Dmo

    Beverley

    Smith

    Jones

    Canaan

    Thats it, you can't even trade Garcia / Brooks, though you may be able to trade Young / Covington / Henriquez I suppose but they are worth nothing and doesn't achieve anything. if your trading 4 guys it has to be 4 out of those 9. and quite frankly, trading 4 of those guys so you can keep Brewer / Willams / Casspi / Camby /Ivy is stupid.

    They'll stand pat, one or two of Willams / Brewer / Cassipi / Brooks / Camby wont make the roster. it's that simple. The team has reached a point where there will be far less wheeling and dealing as long as Dwight and Harden is on the roster. over and under of major trades this team pulls in the next 2 season is basically 1 (the Asik trade. which is 50/50 at best.)

  • John P says 2 days ago

    ideally, we trade Lin, draft picks and maybe a PF or two for a decent PF
    Then Bev starts, when really Harden is the PG.
    Brooks and Cannan are then backups.
    That is a really weak PG spot in my opinion but it could happen.

    But what honestly could we get for Lin?
    At this point he most of the league probably think he is overpaid.

    I personally prefer to keep him.
    He showed real potential last season (the SA and other games come to mind) and he is still in the learning the NBA phase of his career.
    His character is top notch and now with Harden and particularly Howard attracting all of the attention and expectations he can just do whatever he does and he won't be scrutinized as much.

    I just simply love Asik. I hope we can find a way to keep him, at least for this contract, to backup and hopefully play some with Howard.
    ...at the end though, he is by far our best trade chip and you know at some point LMA, Love, or some decent PF will come over for him.
    ...unless of course Jones or Dmo grow up this summer/early season...but I have my doubts.

    will the season start already.

  • rockets best fan says 2 days ago

    first and foremost if the Rockets sign Ivey he will be #20. the Rockets have19 players under contract now.

    1.Asik

    2,D-12

    3.Harden

    4.Lin

    5.Parsons

    6.D-Mo

    7.T-Jones

    8.Camby

    9.Garcia

    10.Casspi

    11.Williams

    12.Henriquez

    13.Young

    14.Covington

    15.Beverly

    16.Canaan

    17.G-Smith

    18.Brooks

    19.Brewer

    I agree a trade is in the works because all of these players have some level of guaranteed money. However some of these players can not be traded until later in the season because they already hadNBAexperience when we sign them. Garcia, Brooks, Brewer, Williams, Casspi and Camby fall into this category. these players can not be traded until January 15. as it stands now the Rockets would have to release four players of what we already have signed. should it come down to releasing players and no trade is done I expect some combination of these players to be released.........Covington, Brewer, Young, Williams, Henriquez................the way I see it.....if no trade is done these 5 players are fighting for 1 roster position.

  • Rahat Huq says 2 days ago

    this was actually written by Forrest Walker. I personally think the best course is just standing pat.

  • Knickabokkaz says 2 days ago Jesus, see what you started Huq, now back to the rumors of trading Lin packaging him with other player. smh lol
  • Freebird says 2 days ago

    Likewise - I thought the goal was to package Lin and some young'uns for another PG. However, Lin's recent comments and exposed mindset might have changed that goal. I really don't see them parting with Asik except for a sweetheart deal, so it looks like we'll be stashing 3-4 guys again this year.

    Do we have precedence on eligible players on the RGV team? I know we're affiliated, but seeing Goudelock on the Lakers made me wonder.

  • BrentYen says 2 days ago

    IMO, I feel the goal is still to ship out Lin and Asik (more one Lin's part).

    Now, the extra acquisitions in the off season is trying to make better packages, hence more number of options/possibilities for Morey to operate.