Will the Rockets Pull Another Last Second Trade?

The Rockets pulled off something rare last season. Houston traded for a star in James Harden, and they did it as late in the off season as possible. Harden barely had time to step off the plane before his debut game against the Detroit Pistons, having been traded a mere three days prior. With a roster overflowing with serviceable players and a trigger-happy general manager in Daryl Morey, are the Rockets still due for one big move this off-season? Let’s weigh the possibilities.

While nothing is likely to come of it, NBA veteran Royal Ivey is reportedly working out for Houston and San Antonio. He’s bounced around the league for his entire nine years, moving from the Hawks to the Bucks, to the Sixers, to the Thunder. He’s never distinguished himself particularly well, and the Spurs and Rockets are likely just testing the waters. He would, however, be the 20th player under contract for Houston, the 19th being Ronnie Brewer, another journeyman known for his defense.

The most likely scenario involves the Rockets cutting their undrafted rookies, B.J. Young, Robert Covington and Jordan Henriquez. All are on the books for a mere $490,180 and only Covington has any (the first year) guaranteed. Letting them go and tucking them away in the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, Houston’s D-League affiliate, is just the type of more the Rockets prefer. That would allow them to learn Houston’s system, and likely be available in the future, should they show promise or should the Rockets later need players.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t resolve the logjam. With Brewer, Houston would still be one over the roster cap of 15. A potential Ivey signing moves them to 17 players, even after dropping the rooks. With players like Marcus Camby, Francisco Garcia, Omri Casspi, Reggie Williams and Aaron Brooks all collecting minimum salaries, there would be some very hard decisions to be made. Training camp will likely be brutal for both the players and the team. With this degree of competition for the fifteenth spot on the roster, position, long term fit, chemistry, and marginal advantage all must figure into the Rockets’ basketball calculus. Some players (Camby, Garcia, Casspi, and rookie Isaiah Canaan) all have guaranteed salary, while the rest of the new hires do not. Even this may be a major part of Houston’s thinking.

If things become too difficult, there’s always a nuclear option of sorts. If another team could use them, Houston can try to package a few of these players together for some minor reward. Trying to bundle young prospects in exchange for Philadelphia’s Thaddeus Young has got to be on Morey’s radar. The Sixers are attempting to be truly terrible, and Young is one of the two best players on the team. With the promise of young players and perhaps a draft pick, Houston might be able to upgrade the forward position off the bench while helping the Sixers in their quest to grab the top draft pick this coming year.

If a package for a player they actually want is off the table, Houston might simply try to snag a second round draft pick from a team that simply needs vets to fill the bench. Not every team is laden with 20 players, and many of them have thoughts of contention. If Houston must lose four players anyway, they’d prefer to get something back, and not be on the hook for their salaries. Of course, even that may be too high a price, depending on what’s available later this summer. The Rockets may settle for simply moving the contracts in exchange for a lower number of players. In fact, trading them for nothing may be on the table, just to lower the potential cap and luxury tax hit.

The biggest reason to suspect a trade at 11:59 in the off-season is the continuing Ömer Aşık situation. Aşık has been quiet since reportedly demanding a trade immediately following the Dwight Howard signing. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’s accepted his role, however. Howard reportedly wants Ömer on his team, but if Aşık wants out and the right deal materializes, Dwight’s likely to accept another quality starter next to him. Daryl Morey has shown that he’s willing to be patient and wait for the right deal to come along before making any moves, and that’s why last year’s Harden trade is relevant. Both Morey and Thunder GM Sam Presti were willing to wait until the last moment to get a deal done. Don’t be surprised if Morey has been fielding and rejecting calls about Ömer Aşık all summer, only to package him with some players at the bottom of the bench in October.

Solving multiple roster questions in one fell swoop is the kind of grand move we’ve come to expect from Houston. True, another last minutes bolt of lightning this summer would defy all probability. Experience suggests that the summer’s moves are all but done, and that the Rockets will simply cut some players and head to battle in October. But with the history Morey has, and with the unusual situation the Rockets find themselves in, we always have to brace ourselves for lightning to strike again.

 

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  • Buckko says 10 months ago Nope look up best defensive PGs on bleacher report by Kelly Scarletta. It will surprise you.
  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Completely disagree that Lin is a better defender than Chalmers. Granted, he was effectively a rookie for last season, but Chalmers has been an aggressive defender from his days at KU to the present.

    That said, I understand the problems of Asik to Miami, but would we rather have Bosh at PF for 30 a night, or Asik at C for 20 a night? Unless there is some inventive positioning, that's what will happen with the current roster. I would still argue the former. Just sayin.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Lin is a better defender than chalmers but that trade would be terrible, might as well just give them the trophy already if you did.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Asik won't disappear because his game won't be affected by what Lebron and Wade are doing. Asik is a rebounder/rim protector who doesn't need the ball to be effective.............bosh needs the ball........that's why he disappears

  • Cooper says 10 months ago You don't know asik won't disappear.if we didnt have Howard who does everything asik does better and more I would be more inclined to agree with your thought process but there isn't a world where and all star starter is not more valuable than a very good backup. Change asik and Lin for chalmers and bosh and the heat most likely win the past two titles still and would be the favorites again this year. I don't think they would be a lot better though lebron would have to score more (Not a major issue) but he would still have to play a lot of powerforward so his rebouning and defensive strain wouldn't be much less. I'm not sure anyone can beat the current heat team this year in a series but I'd rather go at them with a Howard bosh parsons harden chalmers lineup getting the majority of minutes than Howard asik parsons harden Lin.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Actually, no. This would be a fairly lopsided trade to us. We get a stretchier 4 than what we have, and a point than distributes first (and has played the position forever). Asik would force Miami to become more of a half court team, methinks. Their defense would be outstanding, but having a guy post up and fight for position is not what they are used to.

    I doubt they would go for this trade, but I'm fairly certain we would. If we wanted to get into the whole 3-star conundrum.

    why would we want this deal? if we are looking to upgrade PG and PF these are about the worse two players we could pursue. WHY you ask? I'll tell you why.

    1. Chalmers isn't enough of an upgrade over Lin to warrant trading for. both are below average PG's. Chalmers is a little better defensively, but that's about it. so this part of the trade would be a wash..........nothing for nothing or scraps for scraps....how ever you want to view it.

    2. Bosh for Asik is the meat of this deal. first let me say this.......I like Bosh, but I like Asik more. Asik is more valuable. WHY? I tell you why. Asik is a 7 footrebounding rim protector who puts up a double/double every night. Asik is a rare breed......not to many of his kind floating around in the league. Bosh on the other hand is a range shooting 4 who is a marginal defensive player andmarginal rebounderwho as a knack for disappearing when needed the most. sure he can score, but only if he is featured in the offense......otherwise he is useless.

    3. worst of all we will have helped Miami remain dominate...........who rebounds for them right now? Lebron does. who protects the rim for them......Lebron does. by giving them Asik, Lebron will be freed from these two jobs to spend even more time dominating in other areas.......that's a scary thought. Asik won't disappear like Bosh, he will continue to put up his numbers. Miami's biggest weakness right now is post presence. we would be helping them fix that. however at the same time they will be giving us MR. INVISABLE

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    you're kidding right????? if we did that you might as well ship 2 more trophies to Miami. Asik won't disappear like Bosh. if Miami had a real rebounder paint protector do you know how much that would free Lebron's hands? I wouldn't touch this trade with welder'sgloves on :blink:

    Actually, no. This would be a fairly lopsided trade to us. We get a stretchier 4 than what we have, and a point than distributes first (and has played the position forever). Asik would force Miami to become more of a half court team, methinks. Their defense would be outstanding, but having a guy post up and fight for position is not what they are used to.

    I doubt they would go for this trade, but I'm fairly certain we would. If we wanted to get into the whole 3-star conundrum.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Wow - I would LOVE that trade. BUT - I'm not sure we need a 3rd star. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see what happens in Miami after next season before assembling a 3 super-duper-star roster. The $$$$ says that they can't keep all three on their current contracts, so what happens? Once that question is answered, all of the stats guys can better predict the outcome of the cycle of spending.

    Maybe Rondo - at least he has the experience of playing with big stars. And he could perhaps be obtained for just Lin.

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rockets-considering-trading-jeremy-lin-pistons

    It's an old post, but I keep hearing it being bandied about. There's a Charlotte trade scenario that I've heard as well. Whether it makes sense or not? We'll see.

    you're kidding right????? if we did that you might as well ship 2 more trophies to Miami. Asik won't disappear like Bosh. if Miami had a real rebounder paint protector do you know how much that would free Lebron's hands? I wouldn't touch this trade with welder'sgloves on :blink:

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago If Lebron was really a ring chaser he would go to SAS although with Ginobilis resigning they don't have the money.
  • Cooper says 10 months ago Bosh is still a max player and if they all want to stay the heat will pay them maybe for less years though, lebron will want an opt out clause after 2years anywhere he signs I would assume.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago Bosh will get the max.
  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    Bosh's contract is outrageous. Needs a restructure.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Bosh and Chalmers for Asik and Lin

    Wow - I would LOVE that trade. BUT - I'm not sure we need a 3rd star. Pretty sure everyone is waiting to see what happens in Miami after next season before assembling a 3 super-duper-star roster. The $$$$ says that they can't keep all three on their current contracts, so what happens? Once that question is answered, all of the stats guys can better predict the outcome of the cycle of spending.

    Maybe Rondo - at least he has the experience of playing with big stars. And he could perhaps be obtained for just Lin.

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/nba-rumors-rockets-considering-trading-jeremy-lin-pistons

    It's an old post, but I keep hearing it being bandied about. There's a Charlotte trade scenario that I've heard as well. Whether it makes sense or not? We'll see.

  • Cooper says 10 months ago Rondo is too much of a odd personality to fit with Dwight and harden. Plus it'd be hard for the celtics front office to sell their fans on rebuilding around Omer asik.
  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    Bosh and Chalmers for Asik and Lin

  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    Celtics on a rebuild... Asik and everyone but Harden, Dwight and Parsons for RONDO.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    they aren't getting a real star for him or even him and lin the only way you get a legit star is multiple picks that are expected to be top 10 or close with a couple other throw ins or a prospect that looks like he will be a star with some picks. If they trade asik it will certainly be for good value but there isn't a senario where asik is netting a star unless another piece I previously mentioned is coming with.

    I'm not saying Asik alone......we have other assets to toss in not name Harden, Howard and Parsons

  • Buckko says 10 months ago I still prefer multiple great role players over a third star reduce to a role player. Imagine if the heat had a illegitment center and a couple better bench guys over Chris bosh
  • Cooper says 10 months ago they aren't getting a real star for him or even him and lin the only way you get a legit star is multiple picks that are expected to be top 10 or close with a couple other throw ins or a prospect that looks like he will be a star with some picks. If they trade asik it will certainly be for good value but there isn't a senario where asik is netting a star unless another piece I previously mentioned is coming with.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    6c754853-9bc9-4eb4-9e1d-79c0969ff571.P4P

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago

    that's a good point...................Asik's worth? some here think he can bring a star when combined with other pieces and or draft picks. some believe he is just good enough for mid range players. if we traded him right now.....what is he worth? same could be ask about Lin. if the Rockets traded both players what can they reasonably expect to get? I say Lin is worth a mid range player's value when combined with a 2nd rounder.......example: the Rockets trade Lin + 2nd rounder maybe 2 for A-Affalo. that's Lin's value to me. I know because I bash him ALL the time many believe I think he is garbage.....not so. he has value to other teams, just not the right fit for ours. however my point is we discuss trading them all the time, but keeping the Rocket fans love of our own out of it what's the most we could expect in return for these two? I know a lot depends on timing. ie...if a teams becomes desperate to move a player they will accept a little less, but subtracting that factor...what would they bring? I suspect they are still here because the right deal isn't yet available, but a lot of the "right deal" talk is based on their perceived value in the league.
    Asik is a double/double machine who can anchor a teams defense. he's like clock work ....you can pencil his 10ppg 11.7 rpg 1.3 bpg on the leger. some say he is top 5 at his position in the league. I would say we all can agree he is at least top 7-8.........he is a legitimate 7 footer who will instantly become and upgrade at the center position for at least 20 teams in the league. the team he goes to will instantly become a better defensive team. beside the fact that there are a shortage of these type of players floating around in the league he is still young (27) is a great locker room guy and goes about his business like a true professional...................that should not be given away lightly......Morey would be right to demand just slightly less than a king's ransom IMO
    Lin average 13ppg 6.1apg ..........while not allstar numbers.......not exactly garbage either. Yes he has his short comings, but that can be said about any player. the fact still remains he is a useful player......he doesn't fit well here, but if put in an environment created to high light the best parts of his game can still be above average IMO.

    these two combined with drafts should net a star. Morey's waiting for that star to become available. Morey is still in predatory mode.


    If by star you mean Jrue or some other borderline "star" I agree.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Good point, BUT Morey's probably asking for an arm and a leg for Asik. Let's not try and pretend that Asik will come cheaply. Teams will wait till midseason and they either have to trade for him, (CHI if Noah goes down, IND if Hibbert goes down, NYK if Chandler goes down, etc....) or they've seen enough of their own players. I doubt a deal gets done before the deadline or some team wildly overpays for Asik.

    that's a good point...................Asik's worth? some here think he can bring a star when combined with other pieces and or draft picks. some believe he is just good enough for mid range players. if we traded him right now.....what is he worth? same could be ask about Lin. if the Rockets traded both players what can they reasonably expect to get? I say Lin is worth a mid range player's value when combined with a 2nd rounder.......example: the Rockets trade Lin + 2nd rounder maybe 2for A-Affalo. that's Lin's value to me. I know because I bash him ALL the time many believe I think he is garbage.....not so. he has value to other teams, just not the right fit for ours. however my point is we discuss trading them all the time, but keeping the Rocket fans love of our own out of it what's the most we could expect in return for these two? I know a lot depends on timing. ie...if a teams becomes desperate to move a player they will accept a little less, but subtracting that factor...what would they bring? I suspect they are still here because the right deal isn't yet available, but a lot of the "right deal" talk is based on their perceived value in the league.

    Asik is a double/double machine who can anchor a teams defense. he's like clock work ....you can pencil his 10ppg 11.7 rpg 1.3 bpgon the leger. some say he is top5 at his position in the league. I would say we all can agree he is at least top 7-8.........he is a legitimate 7 footer who will instantly become and upgrade at the center position for at least 20 teams in the league. the team he goes to will instantly become a better defensive team. beside the fact that there are a shortage of these type of players floating around in the league he is still young (27) is a great locker room guy and goes about his business like a true professional...................that should not be given away lightly......Morey would be right to demand just slightly less than a king's ransom IMO

    Lin average 13ppg 6.1apg ..........while not allstar numbers.......not exactly garbage either. Yes he has his short comings, but that can be said about any player. the fact still remains he is a useful player......he doesn't fit well here, but if put in an environment created to high light the best parts of his game can still be above average IMO.

    these two combined with drafts should net a star. Morey's waiting for that star to become available. Morey is still in predatory mode.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Good point, BUT Morey's probably asking for an arm and a leg for Asik. Let's not try and pretend that Asik will come cheaply. Teams will wait till midseason and they either have to trade for him, (CHI if Noah goes down, IND if Hibbert goes down, NYK if Chandler goes down, etc....) or they've seen enough of their own players. I doubt a deal gets done before the deadline or some team wildly overpays for Asik.

    That's the thing, though. Teams regularly overpay for a player they feel that they "need". I think we could bank Asik for a very pretty amount, but I don't think we will. If we have title aspirations, it means more to us to keep him, rather than let him go. We know what he's being paid, but what's his "value" to this team?

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago

    I agree that Morey is waiting for the right deal. If the right deal appears, he would do anything that benefits the team in the long run.

    That said, the right deal may not materialize. At least, this season.I know if *I* were a GM of another team, I'd wait to see how Lin handles the team at the beginning of this season before trading for that sizable of a contract. On the other hand, I'd do what I could to try and get Asik now.

    Good point, BUT Morey's probably asking for an arm and a leg for Asik. Let's not try and pretend that Asik will come cheaply. Teams will wait till midseason and they either have to trade for him, (CHI if Noah goes down, IND if Hibbert goes down, NYK if Chandler goes down, etc....) or they've seen enough of their own players. I doubt a deal gets done before the deadline or some team wildly overpays for Asik.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    I agree that Morey is waiting for the right deal. If the right deal appears, he would do anything that benefits the team in the long run.

    That said, the right deal may not materialize. At least, this season.I know if *I* were a GM of another team, I'd wait to see how Lin handles the team at the beginning of this season before trading for that sizable of a contract. On the other hand, I'd do what I could to try and get Asik now.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    That's why they are going to stay on our team. Why invest so much time to make the team work if you are going to trade some of the players, because they are not.

    I believe if we hadn't obtained D-12 both Lin and Asik would be here for the long term, but Howard changes everything. before we were just one of many teams trying to reach contender status. now we are a team looking to complete the puzzle. Lin and Asik are our main trade chips to complete that puzzle. THEY WILL BE MOVED. Morey's just waiting for the right deal

  • Buckko says 10 months ago That's why they are going to stay on our team. Why invest so much time to make the team work if you are going to trade some of the players, because they are not.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    in all this trade discussion one point that has been overlooked is MONEY. we all know how both Lin's and Asik's contract work. in order for a team to reap the benefit of trading for either of these players, they must get at least 2 full years of service to justify the trade. if the Rockets wait till the trade deadline both players will be harder to move because neither is worth 15 mil a year (even if their cap hits are only 8.3)and if a teams trades for them at that point that's exactly what they will be getting. the Rockets must strike while the opportunity is available if they wish to move either. the contracts don't look so bad if a team is getting 2 full years for 20 mil, but if they are only getting 1 year and a couple of months that's a lot to pay for a non star player. Yes they can still be traded, but what we can get for them will have diminished. Morey believes in buying low and selling high, so if we are to reap any value from these two in the trade market now is the time to move them

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Do we have trade worthy assets for a superstar. The answer is no. Do we have the assets to trade one alright guy for another or a good player for another, of course but not to the extent many of you dream for.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    I have to agree with RBF here. Other teams are definitely aware of our roster. Any good GM and staff will be aware of exactly who is on every team in the league, and have writeups on each individual. If they don't, then they are playing the executive game from a severe disadvantage. I think that the single key element in this transition to the NBA's version of moneyball is without question information. Anyone who doesn't have the info will get left in the dust.

    So, we DO have trade worthy assets. What we can convince others of is their relative value to something they have. It's all a game, and Morey plays this game very well. :)

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Other GMs are not Morey, there's a reason we find diamonds in the ruff.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    As a rocket fan base we have watching every step they make and see/hope one of them can be a 5th option while other teams shouldn't scrutinize them as much as us. Not to mention D league and the NBA are far different. If they weren't Jeremy lamb would be leading OKC second unit.

    if you think other teams aren't aware of T-Jones and D-Mo you're fooling yourself. they know exactly who they are and have a good idea of where they are on their development curve. A good GM watches not only his players......but all players. How do you think Morey knew Harden's capabilities? he had been watching him from afar. how do you think Morey knew Asik's worth......and he was only getting 10 minutes a game, but Morey was watching him. so just like Morey watches other teams players......those teams GM's are also watching our guys

  • Buckko says 10 months ago As a rocket fan base we have watching every step they make and see/hope one of them can be a 5th option while other teams shouldn't scrutinize them as much as us. Not to mention D league and the NBA are far different. If they weren't Jeremy lamb would be leading OKC second unit.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I have doubts that Camby will even suit up this season. He's just riding the end of the bench for his adopted hometown looking for a coaching job later on. Brooks is a H-town favorite that other teams have just forgotten about and Brooks sign for less with us to be in houston. Even though I see great improvement coming this season, lin isn't viewed very high on many people's list, neither is Canaan a slow undersized PG who can only shoot and stuff stats on a bad college team. Smith, Jones, and Demo all need to make major improvements to grab any other team's attention. Thus the only valuable asset we have that OTHER people would want is Omer Asik. Not enough for a game changer trade, oh and the rockets don't usually trade away draft picks because they value them far more than other teams due to our fantastic scouters. Oh, I forgot to mention Brewer, Casspi, and Williams are all wash-ups that we are giving a second chance in our system so they are not valuable either. I'm not saying they are all terrible players, just don't overvalue them. That's what training camp is meant to do, pick off the weak. It's basketball natural selection with more competition breeds better players.

    Now all in all, WE DON'T HAVE TRADE WORTHY ASSETS. :D

    funny that you would say we don't have any tradable assets, then turn around and say T-Jones and D-Mo can have breakout years. you don't think some other team has been watching how both T-Jones and D-Mo dominated in the d-league? teams showed how much they thought of our front office and the way they do things by raiding our staff. so if they believe we have superior talent evaluation....why wouldn't they believe in our young prospects?

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    I have doubts that Camby will even suit up this season. He's just riding the end of the bench for his adopted hometown looking for a coaching job later on. Brooks is a H-town favorite that other teams have just forgotten about and Brooks sign for less with us to be in houston. Even though I see great improvement coming this season, lin isn't viewed very high on many people's list, neither is Canaan a slow undersized PG who can only shoot and stuff stats on a bad college team. Smith, Jones, and Demo all need to make major improvements to grab any other team's attention. Thus the only valuable asset we have that OTHER people would want is Omer Asik. Not enough for a game changer trade, oh and the rockets don't usually trade away draft picks because they value them far more than other teams due to our fantastic scouters. Oh, I forgot to mention Brewer, Casspi, and Williams are all wash-ups that we are giving a second chance in our system so they are not valuable either. I'm not saying they are all terrible players, just don't overvalue them. That's what training camp is meant to do, pick off the weak. It's basketball natural selection with more competition breeds better players.

    Now all in all, WE DON'T HAVE TRADE WORTHY ASSETS. :D

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Or just cut a bunch of guys with un-guaranteed contracts. We don't have assets that are trade worthy. We just picked up guys nobody else wanted to see if they could do good on a second or third chance in our system. I'm sorry but don't overvalue these guys and LMA would be terrible for our system.

    "WE DON'T HAVE ASSETS THAT ARE TRADE WORTHY".......................?????? whether we want the Rockets to trade certain players or not this statement is incorrect. we are loaded with tradable assets. Asik and Lin are always talked about, but the Rockets could still see others as movable. T-Jones, D-Mo, G-Smith, Beverly and Canaan.......any number of these players could becoveted by other teams and be part of a larger deal. I don't want the Rockets to trade ANY of them, but if the right deal came along could accept them moving on. I know you don't agree, but the Rockets will IMO make a trade to balance this roster............the players they are signing (older more experienced vets) says something to me...players like Brewer, Camby, Brooks send a clear message. No teams needs that many safety nets.....especially for such a young team. they are setting the table for their next move

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Or just cut a bunch of guys with un-guaranteed contracts. We don't have assets that are trade worthy. We just picked up guys nobody else wanted to see if they could do good on a second or third chance in our system. I'm sorry but don't overvalue these guys and LMA would be terrible for our system.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    What needs to happen is training camp, and the beginning of the season. By Christmas a lot of the questions will be answered, both how the team uses it's best players and which of the role players deserve playing time. Try enjoying other sports in the meantime...

    I think a lot of the questions will be answered by the end of training camp. the Rockets will make a trade to balance their roster........remember you heard it here first :)

  • redfaithful says 10 months ago

    What needs to happen is training camp, and the beginning of the season. By Christmas a lot of the questions will be answered, both how the team uses it's best players and which of the role players deserve playing time. Try enjoying other sports in the meantime...

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Wasn't saying we were getting KLove. Only saying that I would if we could. But we can't, so we won't. No worries.

    And we obviously don't want to trade Asik either. The question then becomes, what can we do to improve the roster with what we currently have, and are willing to part with? We have an excess of talent on the roster, so something needs to happen. If it means dropping our unsigned rookies to the D League and hoping someone else won't pick them up, then so be it. I would hope that Morey could be a touch more creative than that, though.

  • NorEastern says 10 months ago

    So much talk, so little understanding.

    • Right now Lin and Harden are the only two Rockets who can actually create their own shot.
    • Harden is the best SG in the league right now. Do you really want to trade Lin and make Harden the 4th best PG? And then who the heck would be the SG?
    • The Rockets shot what I believe is the lowest percentage of 3-23 foot mid range shots in the history of the NBA. Morey is obviously seriously engaged in suppressing the worse shot in basketball. How does LMA fit into that plan?
    • Asik's value cannot be overstated. The Rockets defense was 7th in the league with him on the floor. It was 27th without him. The Rockets could easily be a top 5 defense next season if one of Howard and Asik is always on the floor. Or would you rather have the 15th best defense without Asik?
    • Repeat after me. The Rockets have nothing other than Harden and Howard to entice MN into trading Love. Nothing. A half dozen other teams could easily and willingly beat any Rockets offer for Love.
  • RollingWave says 10 months ago

    You take Love if you could get him, the problem is can you get him? and if you could, then is something wrong with him that warrant it?

    Another general point on why the Rockets probably didn't too seriously thought about trading for Anderson is this.

    in his 3 years in the playoff, he' was much MUCH worse than his regular season performance in ALL 3 year. now one year may be a small sample / injury fluke, but in 400 + playoff minutes he average .... 8.7 points per 36, and almost EVERYTHING collapse, even his 3 point shooting goes down to a putrid .311 (though he did have 1 .400 playoff run, but he was atrocious inside the arc.)

    So there is some serious point to the "specialist gets neutralized in the playoffs" thing .

    Meanwhile, Asik was actually the best Rocket in the playoff this year, better than Harden really, Harden's # got seriously surpressed in that series if you look at it closely (I think part of it is that with Lin ineffective / hurt it's too easy to just collapse on him. he's not a real iso dominant player, he needs ball movement to be effective.) but Asik actually got better. Given Dwight's trouble with fouls in the playoffs, and how every minute counts, the value of Asik, even in limited minutes ( i fear that even if the Asik / Dwight thing works in the regular season it's probably going to get taken apart in the playoffs. offensively at least.) it's still awesome.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Oh, and I'd take Love in a heartbeat. I just don't know if he can get him without giving up too much of what makes us US.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Just the way it played out last year, it just felt forced. If we wanna give it to Harden down the stretch, that's fine, but have a set of plays for this, or a direction we can go. But should Harden be calling the play on the floor? That's why I don't think of him as a PG. Ball-handler, maybe, but not the PG.

    I thought that was part of the reason for his defense failing so miserably (when he was above average in OKC). No set plays and too much asked of him in a new role on a new team. Regardless, we'll see how it works out now.

  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    I can't swallow the "not a fan of Love" antilove im getting here. That's like saying don't give me Rondo because he has no range. Love is someone you take on a heartbeat notice. As long as we don't give up harden, parsons or howard... Id throw in whatever they ask for outside of those 3 players. We delt with horrid defense from Harden just fine. Love is still young and with the right team and mentors, oh right and the greatest shot blocker of the past decade, Love would be my vote if they'd let him go.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago I believe harden is between. When you go half court, give it to Lin because he is a far better facilitator while harden goes off to the side to draw the defense and you still have Howard down low.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago

    See, I dislike that role for Harden right now. I think he'd actually prosper in a Joe Johnston role. I don't think he needs to handle the ball that much.

    That said, I can be proven wrong here. Maybe his game is more of a Kobe type, but it just felt like that was forced last year. Maybe a real offense will help.

    EDIT: Can't spell.

    I agree with you on terms of an efficiency basis. But I doubt Harden would agree with you. And that's the point I was making.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    I think people are forgetting that Harden is our PG. I don't think he would accept a Ray Allen/Joe Johnson type role of shooter. He wants to be the Kobe/Jordan type of player. So a creator at the PG like CP3 would be wasted in Houston.

    See, I dislike that role for Harden right now. I think he'd actually prosper in a Joe Johnston role. I don't think he needs to handle the ball that much.

    That said, I can be proven wrong here. Maybe his game is more of a Kobe type, but it just felt like that was forced last year. Maybe a real offense will help.

    EDIT: Can't spell.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago I think people are forgetting that Harden is our PG. I don't think he would accept a Ray Allen/Joe Johnson type role of shooter. He wants to be the Kobe/Jordan type of player. So a creator at the PG like CP3 would be wasted in Houston.
  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    I disagree......I think we can get LMA with our trade pieces......it's all a matter of when and if Portland needs or wants to trade him

    I think that second portion there is key. We know who we have to trade, but at what cost? We have a plethora of front line depth, but Asik is too good to deal, as the idea of him and Howard together are most intriguing. But - he's our best trade chip right now, as his contract is considered a bargain.

    We want an upgrade an the PG role, but Lin might actually be the best we can get right now. Not saying he's a bad player, but he doesn't have the right skill set yet. And he may never have the skill set needed to run the HHH show (like that? Harden and Howard in Houston! Damn, I'm amazing at bad acronyms. :) ). He shoots a bit much, doesn't have a left hand, never played PG until last year in NY, etc, etc. I think we'd all rather have a distributor that can occasionally nail a 3, but that's not his game right now.

    So, we want to upgrade PG, but need to move Lin to do so. That screams for a 3 team trade - one team needs a scoring PG, one team has a creator PG, and one team to facilitate. Question is, what teams want or need him? AND are willing to deal?

    That's on reason why I mentioned MCW - I think he is a creator at the position, and maybe we can get him in a trade. Rookies are potential, but GMs also have to weigh the value of a known quantity. That's why you give up picks for the players you want. Also why Simmons keeps harping about the Harden trade being the best trade ever (well, for us).

    Outside of MCW, there are few other options in that creator role that could be available. Honestly, the 2 I think I'd want are Chalmers or Rubio. Rubio is the better passer, but Mario can nail that 3 and is a good defender. So, who wants what we got?

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago Love is a good rebounder but a poor defender so unless you play him with an Asik/Howard/Chandler he can't be the best man on a championship team. Dirk had Chandler. And Dirk learned to play defense later in his career. So I'm not sold on Love.
  • BrentYen says 10 months ago

    it would be easier to pull hippo teeth than getting K-Love out of Minny right now. unless their season starts to go south real fast due to some other reason than injury, I just don't see Minny moving him

    Oh, I know, haha, I meant to give an example about what kind PF is better for us. There are not too many in the market.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Honestly we wouldn't be able to get aldrige with our trading pieces but Love is on another level and the best PF in the game.

    I disagree......I think we can get LMA with our trade pieces......it's all a matter of when and if Portland needs or wants to trade him

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Honestly we wouldn't be able to get aldrige with our trading pieces but Love is on another level and the best PF in the game.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I guess we need guys like Kevin Love.

    it would be easier to pull hippo teeth than getting K-Love out of Minny right now. unless their season starts to go south real fast due to some other reason than injury, I just don't see Minny moving him

  • BrentYen says 10 months ago

    I guess we need guys like Kevin Love.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    That's the common sense everyone who rooted for a trade like this lacked.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    You forgot to say FAR in front of better, and people expected us to give them asik along with a pick or another player. Made me laugh.

    I have to agree giving Asik to the Pelican for Anderson is a super bad idea. not only would we be giving Asik up for pennies on the dollar, but giving the Pelican the one thing they truly need (a starting rim protecting/rebounding center) is creating a monster at the back door. the Pelican's are a very good young team if they can stay healthy......no use in creating competition within our own division.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    I agree...........he is an overhyped roll player and not worth the money he makes. we are better off rolling with T-Jones and D-Mo

    You forgot to say FAR in front of better, and people expected us to give them asik along with a pick or another player. Made me laugh.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    We do not want or need Ryan Anderson.

    I agree...........he is an overhyped roll player and not worth the money he makes. we are better off rolling with T-Jones and D-Mo

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    We do not want or need Ryan Anderson.

  • RollingWave says 10 months ago

    Well no, Ryan Anderson's career rebound is pretty consistently decent, even as a rookie for the Nets or last year. aka, better than Dmo.

  • Losthief says 10 months ago

    i'd hope the howard pf option works the most as i think thats puts the most talent on the floor for the rockets.

    Followed by DMO somehow learning to play defense (I could care less about reboudning w/ Howard out there, case in point, sans howard, Ryan Anderson almost became a passable rebounder instead of like 3-4 reb per game, so Howard does some work there).

    I think tjones is capable of being the ultimate guy off the bench who can come in a play either 3 or 4 for us and run some huge mismatches against 2nd teamers, (or slide parsons to 4 in a small lineup). I really think he can be something special on defense and could give us a 1 2 punch with parsons if he returns to form for the forward slots.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Looks like the Hair has competition. Most Sexy Hair award anyone?
  • CC. says 10 months ago

    I'm rooting for D-Mo. There's something about the idea of having 2 faux-hawks and one mohawk on the court at the same time that makes me giddy.

    Let's not forget about Omer's afro-like curls.

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    I'm rooting for D-Mo. There's something about the idea of having 2 faux-hawks and one mohawk on the court at the same time that makes me giddy.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Why do we have to go back to lin. All of you have obsessions about him. What happen to having decent and interesting conversation about Jones. Something productive.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    True, he is not dumb, he definitely know something that we don't IMO. And I doubt he likes what he has heard during this summer.

    I agree. how he responds may play into how long he is here. if the Rockets feel the relationship has been damaged it may move them to resolved it sooner

  • BrentYen says 10 months ago

    Yes we have discussed how, but will has also been part of it

    True, he is not dumb, he definitely know something that we don't IMO. And I doubt he likes what he has heard during this summer.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I thought the Question was always "How to trade him?" instead of "Will HOU trade him?"

    Yes we have discussed how, but will has also been part of it

  • BrentYen says 10 months ago

    more on Lin

    Lin is part of a young nucleus of talent on the Rockets, along with James Harden and Chandler Parsons. Lin, 25, is entering the second year of his three-year, $25 million contract. Lin said it was too early to talk about his future with the Rockets.

    "Right now I know there's always speculation about what might happen," Lin said, "but I haven't made any decisions I haven't thought about it and I'm going to approach that question when the time comes."

    if that's not a player who has doubts about whether he will be part of the team or not..... what is?

    I thought the Question was always "How to trade him?" instead of "Will HOU trade him?"

  • Steven says 10 months ago

    Seriously?

    If baseball players are traded for two dozen baseballs and a few bats, why not? Morey and Alexander made Lin their meal ticket.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago

    Morey will trade Lin to the Shangahi Sharks for a lifetime supply of eggs rolls from the China delight. By the end of the year, Morey will win that trade as well.


    Seriously?
  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    Very true. Talk about a kid with a head on his shoulders. He knows Houston threw him a bone. If he can't produce, DM will toss him to the wind. All hail DM.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    more on Lin

    Lin is part of a young nucleus of talent on the Rockets, along with James Harden and Chandler Parsons. Lin, 25, is entering the second year of his three-year, $25 million contract. Lin said it was too early to talk about his future with the Rockets.

    "Right now I know there's always speculation about what might happen," Lin said, "but I haven't made any decisions I haven't thought about it and I'm going to approach that question when the time comes."

    if that's not a player who has doubts about whether he will be part of the team or not..... what is?

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Jones can shoot, pass, handle the ball and drive to the basket, rebound, and shot block. He however plays faced up and has no post game, and we have yet to see his 3pt shot consistency and team defense play.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    T Jones is a less talented Henson.

    I like Henson, but I think T-Jones will be better.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago T Jones is a less talented Henson.
  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    I agree unfortunately :lol:T-Young and MCWshould not be on our radar. however the trade of Asik and Lin is more likely to happen than not (IMO) now T-Jones is off limits to me, but G-Smith maybe?

    Smith doesn't gather much attention.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Talks of trading asik, jones, and lin for a Thaddes and a rookie. Now we are starting to go off the deep end here. Now please stop making trade ideas that would kill us. You keep talking about us needing to trade so much for a 5th option PF when you have no faith in the PFs who have been practicing, training, improving, and building muscle. Please stop talking ludicrously.

    I agree unfortunately :lol:T-Young and MCWshould not be on our radar. however the trade of Asik and Lin is more likely to happen than not (IMO) now T-Jones is off limits to me, but G-Smith maybe?

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Talks of trading asik, jones, and lin for a Thaddes and a rookie. Now we are starting to go off the deep end here. Now please stop making trade ideas that would kill us. You keep talking about us needing to trade so much for a 5th option PF when you have no faith in the PFs who have been practicing, training, improving, and building muscle. Please stop talking ludicrously.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    I agree. AB is a better shooter, but is no where near the defensive player Bev is.

    Brooks is a far better scorer, but statistically Beverley isn't a fantastic defender, just a great energy guy. There's a difference.

  • ale11 says 10 months ago

    I'm not to sure about that. I agree Philly is in the Riggin for Wiggins race, but the lost of T-Young would hurt to some degree. the kid MCW I'm really high on, he struggled in summer league and may struggle this whole first year in the league, but the kids upside is off the charts. most PG's in the league are between 6 feet and 6'3" this kid is 6'5" with outstanding reach and physical abilities. YES he should have stayed in college another year and I'm sure he will take his lumps in the league because of it.....YES he looks skinny now, but the talent is there. I bet you would have to give upsomething nice to get him away from Hinkie right now even though the kid is at least 2 years out on be coming a good player. Philly has time to wait on this kid to develop......we don't

    Exactly my point. Hinkie won't go for it because it's better to suck this year while developing a talented rookie handing him the keys so he can learn through struggle rather than bringing to player who will add some wins and both stagnates the tanking option while also keeping you away from the 2014 draft prize. Also, they will try to develop Noel at some point and Asik being there will stand on that way.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    We want a really competitive training camp. I'm confused by the Brooks signing. The guy is washed up. Once he left Houston he sputtered and failed. But maybe he can get back up to form.

    Don't you ever dis Brooks, he's untouchable.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

    Dang you torched him with no mercy.

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  • Cooper says 10 months ago I really think we could get young for a future first plus+ jones or Dmo or probably even smith. The only problem there is they have to reach the cap floor unless they don't mind spreading the excess money amongst their other players. I don't see why they'd want Lin, mcw is their guy for the moment even if he hasn't looked all that great yet. They might want asik in just a straight asik young swap where they throw in a little something, but asik isn't really young enough to fit in with their rebuild and by the deadline when a deal like that would be most likely it would really be a year and half rental which isn't all that appealing especially because they'd be in tank more that time, and even if they'd want to resign him they would end up with a large amount of cap to a guy that can't do a whole lot on offense and would be more valuable to a team that has stars that needs a defensive center.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Actually, I was thinking of just trading Lin and DMo/TJones and some extras. We'd still have Asik here. Lin/Asik for Young/MCW is WAY overpaying. I think Lin/TJones and Smith would be about right. Throw in a future swap of 2 round picks for the Morey Tax, and that's about right. Especially after that sweetheart deal we gave them for Royce. :D

    If you want to trade with Philly, best not to bring up that Royce deal :lol:

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

    I'm not to sure about that. I agree Philly is in the Riggin for Wiggins race, but the lost of T-Young would hurt to some degree. the kid MCW I'm really high on, he struggled in summer league and may struggle this whole first year in the league, but the kids upside is off the charts. most PG's in the league are between 6 feet and 6'3" this kid is 6'5" with outstanding reach and physical abilities. YES he should have stayed in college another year and I'm sure he will take his lumps in the league because of it.....YES he looks skinny now, but the talent is there. I bet you would have to give upsomething nice to get him away from Hinkie right now even though the kid is at least 2 years out on be coming a good player. Philly has time to wait on this kid to develop......we don't

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

    Actually, I was thinking of just trading Lin and DMo/TJones and some extras. We'd still have Asik here. Lin/Asik for Young/MCW is WAY overpaying. I think Lin/TJones and Smith would be about right. Throw in a future swap of 2 round picks for the Morey Tax, and that's about right. Especially after that sweetheart deal we gave them for Royce. :D

  • ale11 says 10 months ago

    One item I see is that Philly may be below the salary floor, or close to it. Wonder if we could get MCW and Thaddeus for a package from Hinkie?

    Maybe KLove and Barea/Rubio? I also wouldn't mind a Lin/young'uns package for Marshall and Frye from PHO. Watched Kendall at UNC - he's an assist machine. Doubt they want/need another PG, though.

    A combination of Lin, Turner and Asik will win too many games and right now they are the front runners in the Riggin' for Wiggins race. I think that trade would make them two steps back, since given their conference strength, they could easily win more games than the Suns and maybe the Kings, also considering Orlando is not quite there yet to win too many games.

  • Forrest Walker says 10 months ago

    Ahh, I probably should have been more specific. I'm aware that the vets can't move until December, but was thinking that with the new vets on the bench, some of the previous backups like Greg Smith, et. al. become a bit more movable, especially in a trade for someone like Thad Young. In some Lin/Asik scenario this still remains the case, and losing a Terrence Jones or a D-Mo might be what's needed to bring back that one big player, also bringing Houston to within the 15 man roster limit.

    Also, of course, Les might just really be on the luxury train and doesn't care about paying a couple minimum salaries for guys who aren't playing. They won't be hitting the tax line either way.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    That's a bit overstated. AB is a good player, but I don't think he ever had, or will have, the defensive mindset PB has. They're both quick and undersized - that's where the similarities end.

    I agree. AB is a better shooter, but is no where near the defensive player Bev is.

  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    That's a bit overstated. AB is a good player, but I don't think he ever had, or will have, the defensive mindset PB has. They're both quick and undersized - that's where the similarities end.

  • bboley24 says 10 months ago

    Dawgin on my Abrooks. He will make you eat your words this year. Speaking from emotions of course. He is a Patrick Beverly with a three point shot and experience!

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago We want a really competitive training camp. I'm confused by the Brooks signing. The guy is washed up. Once he left Houston he sputtered and failed. But maybe he can get back up to form.
  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    Absolutely agree. I'm just trying to figure out what we're doing with all the extra resources Morey's been signing. I know injuries are a part of the game, but signing 4 extra folks over the 15 seems excessive, and doesn't do right by the players if we just up and release them after they lose out in training camp.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago Biggest team weaknesses
    1) starting PF
    2) backup SG
    3) starting PG
    4) backup PF
    5) backup PG

    However I think we have enough to win a championship with a good coach.
  • Freebird says 10 months ago

    I agree that the combination of events that have occurred over the summer make one believe that something will be happening sooner or later. I think it would take a hell of a lot for a team to pry Asik away from us, at this point. We would have to significantly upgrade our 2 weakest positions - PG and PF. It seems like the real question should be 'what team has those kinds of resources of that caliber?'

    Yes, Portland has LMA, but there is zero change of us getting a PG from them. Atlanta has Horford, but not a PG we would want. Lots of maybes.

    One item I see is that Philly may be below the salary floor, or close to it. Wonder if we could get MCW and Thaddeus for a package from Hinkie?

    Maybe KLove and Barea/Rubio? I also wouldn't mind a Lin/young'uns package for Marshall and Frye from PHO. Watched Kendall at UNC - he's an assist machine. Doubt they want/need another PG, though.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

    I think you are missing my point. any of these events by themselves have little meaning, but you start to string them together and a pattern starts to emerge. that's my point..........also I could have tossed more on Asik in.....Like his trade quest or McHale's statement of Asik being down in the dumps, but he would try to pick him up. the bottom line with these two players, you have one that wants out and the other seems to be in doubt of his status on the team. both are on contracts that it would benefit the Rockets to move. do I think the Rockets will trade them for scraps?.........NO. that's why they are still here. the Rockets will only trade them when they feel they have a trade that brings back value for them. I think the Rockets plan is to pursue a star caliber player, but there will be no fire sale.

  • CC. says 10 months ago

    to continue the pattern line of thought:

    as this off season has unfolded these events have transpired

    1. starting with the exit interviews their was a clear vibe given off by Beverly and Lin. we have discussed it here before, but now it appears it may have been the beginning of a pattern. after each players spoke to the media Bev kept saying McHale told him the sky was the limit for him while Lin was more subdued and said they discussed ways to improve his game

    2. Lin is nowhere near any of the D-12 recruitment process or the fan fair following.......yet Beverly was part of the fan fair.....hmmm

    3. Lin's slow reaction to the news of D-12's signing......considering how big this signing was there is no way G-Smith should beat him to twitter :)

    4. It's clear the Rockets shopped Lin before the D-12 signing to explore what he would bring on the market, but later settled on the T-Rob deal. some feelings may have been hurt there

    5. Lin opened up to crowd about.....well you know the interview......like I mention above while courageous...it's almost taboo for NBA players. do you think the Rockets were happy? maybe they sensed him separating and that's why a couple of players showed up at his basketball camp because he clearly seem surprised on his next tweet. Morey said in the D-12 interview that D-12 and Harden wanted Lin and Asik on the team yet almost everything the Rockets have done seems like it's preparing their departure(more on that in a minute)

    6.Lin's statement I explored above( he hasn't practiced with D-12) if the informal gathering in LA wasn't for training together then what was it for?

    7. Morey's AMA (ask him anything) feed he address Linwith a thumbs up, but look later what he said about Asik (Asik is astarter+ player. with that said he would rather play for a winner)..........Translation: Asik still wants out, but doesn't want to go to the Bobcats :lol:there is a high possibility the Rockets will move Lin in any Asik deal. the likely player they would be chasingwould probably require Lin's salary to make the money work

    8. the Rockets have 4 PG's and 4 C's on the roster.....they knew Lin, Beverly and Canaanwere on the roster when they signed Brooks. they knew D-12, Asik, G-Smith and D-Mo were on the roster before they sign Camby. why would you give out guaranteed money to vets who expect playing time in already stacked positions on your team? Camby made it clear leaving NY he wanted to play and play for a contender.

    9. whether we like to brush it aside or not, MONEY...........we are aware of how their contracts work, 5 mil this year eachfor both Asik and Lin and 15 mil nextyear for both with cap hits of 8.3 mil both this year and next. it only makes sense that the Rocket try to move at least one of these contracts especially if they want to shorten Parsons deal so they can retain him in restricted free agency. I could go on about the other benifits of moving both of these contracts, but I think you get the picture.

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

    RBF, None of 1. through 8. as your reasons is solid evidence Lin or Asik is gone. I also like how your first six reasons only aim at Lin... Hmmmm. And there's nothing wrong with Lin having his own plans this summer and to coincidentally be separated from his new team. Your first reason sounds like a conspiracy theory. Your third reason is absurd, because what, Lin didn't tweet Howard 'Welcome to the Team!' 24 hrs Howard was a rocket? ..Fourth reason I'd like to ask you, was it really 'clear' Lin was being shopped? Fifth reason...Again, don't use tweets as evidence. Sixth reason goes back to his summer plans...and he's been training so don't worry about an improvement-with or without his team. Your seventh reason makes no tie between Lin and Asik! So Asik doesn't want to go to the Bobcats, he wants to go to a contender, but what does Lin have to do with that?? And the excess of PG and C's (but it's an excess only if you count Lin and Asik) is because you got some rooks, and a veteran in Camby, and I doubt Camby will be backup C even without Asik, I see Smith doing minutes once Howard is on the bench.

    The only thing I can agree on is the money side of things you presented as your ninth reason. But ain't everything ran by money? hha

  • CC. says 10 months ago

    It would make no complete sense, if Lin or Asik were to leave without the Rockets receiving someone of value. NO SENSE at all. Especially if it's not an equivalent PG as Brooks with the starter minutes he's had, he should not convince anybody he's ready to be the starter PG. He's capable of doing it, don't get me wrong, but his sample size isn't large enough. So what's the issue in hurrying a trade? Why do some want Lin or Asik gone so sudden? Lin is a PnR PG/right-hand slasher who already knows how to play with Harden! Do ya'll know how important chemistry is?? Why take him away and put an outsider to start!? Nooooo sense. Asik on the other hand, playing possibly as a back-up center, is a lot more movable because of the paycheck he's owed, and makes sense to trade him away when possible for the right deal, as he is starter-worthy and shouldn't be gone cheaply.

    I think we're getting a little over our heads as of what to happened last season with obtaining Harden. The Rockets have been surprising us lately, and they've all been good surprises-Harden,Beverley,Robinson,Canaan,Howard-but we can't just let two of last season's starters be packaged away for LMA or a pack of bubblegum. So patience...

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    So, in your opinion, will Morey settle for getting nothing or very little back, just send Lin and/or Asik away? Or any legit target that is still there in the market?

    I think they haven't traded already because the right deal isn't on the table yet, but that can appear any time. Morey will not let Asik go for nothing......no pennies on the dollar deal for sure. Lin value on the trade market is a question mark at this point.....maybe they are hoping he has a decent preseason to up that value. it's unclear if they think enough of both D-Mo and T-Jones to feel the PF position can be manned properly without and upgrade......if they are confident it can then it's even more unclear what they may be chasing

  • BrentYen says 11 months ago
    .........................

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

    So, in your opinion, will Morey settle for getting nothing or very little back, just send Lin and/or Asik away? Or any legit target that is still there in the market?

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    to continue the pattern line of thought:

    as this off season has unfolded these events have transpired

    1. starting with the exit interviews their was a clear vibe given off by Beverly and Lin. we have discussed it here before, but now it appears it may have been the beginning of a pattern. after each players spoke to the media Bev kept saying McHale told him the sky was the limit for him while Lin was more subdued and said they discussed ways to improve his game

    2. Lin is nowhere near any of the D-12 recruitment process or the fan fair following.......yet Beverly was part of the fan fair.....hmmm

    3. Lin's slow reaction to the news of D-12's signing......considering how big this signing was there is no way G-Smith should beat him to twitter :)

    4. It's clear the Rockets shopped Lin before the D-12 signing to explore what he would bring on the market, but later settled on the T-Rob deal. some feelings may have been hurt there

    5. Lin opened up to crowd about.....well you know the interview......like I mention above while courageous...it's almost taboo for NBA players. do you think the Rockets were happy? maybe they sensed him separating and that's why a couple of players showed up at his basketball camp because he clearly seem surprised on his next tweet. Morey said in the D-12 interview that D-12 and Harden wanted Lin and Asik on the team yet almost everything the Rockets have done seems like it's preparing their departure(more on that in a minute)

    6.Lin's statement I explored above( he hasn't practiced with D-12) if the informal gathering in LA wasn't for training together then what was it for?

    7. Morey's AMA (ask him anything) feed he address Linwith a thumbs up, but look later what he said about Asik (Asik is astarter+ player. with that said he would rather play for a winner)..........Translation: Asik still wants out, but doesn't want to go to the Bobcats :lol:there is a high possibility the Rockets will move Lin in any Asik deal. the likely player they would be chasingwould probably require Lin's salary to make the money work

    8. the Rockets have 4 PG's and 4 C's on the roster.....they knew Lin, Beverly and Canaanwere on the roster when they signed Brooks. they knew D-12, Asik, G-Smith and D-Mo were on the roster before they sign Camby. why would you give out guaranteed money to vets who expect playing time in already stacked positions on your team? Camby made it clear leaving NY he wanted to play and play for a contender.

    9. whether we like to brush it aside or not, MONEY...........we are aware of how their contracts work, 5 mil this year eachfor both Asik and Lin and 15 mil nextyear for both with cap hits of 8.3 mil both this year and next. it only makes sense that the Rocket try to move at least one of these contracts especially if they want to shorten Parsons deal so they can retain him in restricted free agency. I could go on about the other benifits of moving both of these contracts, but I think you get the picture.

    in conclusion it appears everything the Rockets are saying sounds good, but what they are doing is a different story. they appear to be making preparations for the departure of both Asik and Lin. Lin may be seeing that based on his actions. some may see it as minor however I see a pattern emerging. I was of the belief the Rockets would wait until the deadline to trade both, now believe it may happen before the season.

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    it was widely reported that he was there, by both the Rockets writers and player twitter, your reading something that just isn't there, "training with him" probably means specific plays ran between the 2 ,

    if he was there why would he make that statement? that open up other questions. was he there, but didn't see the floor much because other PGs were hogging time? the workout was informal.......was he feeling left out of the team during this workout? if he played he and D-12 should have run the P&R many times if this is going to be one of your bread and butter plays, so how does he hasn't worked out with him sound......wasn't that the purpose of the gathering in LA in the first place? J-Lin has been very reserved during this off season. both Harden and Parsons have gone Hollywood and Lin has not sought the spotlight......hmmm. then the speech where he opened up about his feelings.......while I admire his courage this is almost taboo for an NBA player. most would be terrified to let something out like this outfor fear of appearing weak in front of their peers. I'm sure the Rockets would have rather he not opened up. I thought I was just imaging things when he wasn't part of the team to recruit D-12 and his slow response to the news, his not being near any of the D-12 fan fair.........but I'm beginning to see a pattern. he does not sound like a confident player. Lin may be seeing the writing on the wall. sure Lin fans will justify all of these actions.......but I see a pattern

  • RollingWave says 11 months ago

    I'll tell you the biggest thing that got me when I read this article. Lin said that he had not trained with Howard yet this was after the whole team was supposed to have gotten together out in LA. makes me wonder he was part of that or not. I had assumed he was. something else that got me was him being unsure of his status on this team. It appears to me he's not sure he will be here

    it was widely reported that he was there, by both the Rockets writers and player twitter, your reading something that just isn't there, "training with him" probably means specific plays ran between the 2 ,

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

    I'll tell you the biggest thing that got me when I read this article. Lin said that he had not trained with Howard yet this was after the whole team was supposed to have gotten together out in LA. makes me wonder he was part of that or not. I had assumed he was. something else that got me was him being unsure of his status on this team. It appears to me he's not sure he will be here

  • BrentYen says 11 months ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

    I think you are over-analyze it, he probably just meant, "I can not control if trade happens or not, just wait and see"

  • Stephen says 11 months ago

    Read this and immediately thought,hmmm,and thinking it over still think Lin doesn't believe he's got a long-term future in Houston:

    Lin said it was too early to talk about his future in Houston after his first season in which he started all 82 regular-season games and averaged more than 13 points and six assists.
    “Right now I know there’s always speculation about what might happen, but I haven’t made any decisions I haven’t thought about it and I’m going to approach that question when the time comes,” Lin said.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/08/jeremy-lin-ready-to-run-pick-and-roll-with-dwight-howard/

    Now we don't know the conversation that preceded this,or if this was some brutal translation. But it read to me at first sight that Lin has at least contemplated asking for a trade if he gets benched.

  • Buckko says 11 months ago

    Stand Pat, prove me right Morey.

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if we pull off a major trade at the deadline

    while I tend to agree......you never really know with Morey. I think he is waiting for the right deal. whether that presents itself now or at the deadline he won't pause for a moment to pull the trigger. its more about the right deal than timing.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 11 months ago I wouldn't be surprised if we pull off a major trade at the deadline
  • RollingWave says 11 months ago

    Forrest, I hope you realize the obvious issue here.

    You can NOT trade guys you just signed, it's in the CBA, of the guys we can trade right now is basically

    Harden

    Lin

    Parsons

    Asik

    Dmo

    Beverley

    Smith

    Jones

    Canaan

    Thats it, you can't even trade Garcia / Brooks, though you may be able to trade Young / Covington / Henriquez I suppose but they are worth nothing and doesn't achieve anything. if your trading 4 guys it has to be 4 out of those 9. and quite frankly, trading 4 of those guys so you can keep Brewer / Willams / Casspi / Camby /Ivy is stupid.

    They'll stand pat, one or two of Willams / Brewer / Cassipi / Brooks / Camby wont make the roster. it's that simple. The team has reached a point where there will be far less wheeling and dealing as long as Dwight and Harden is on the roster. over and under of major trades this team pulls in the next 2 season is basically 1 (the Asik trade. which is 50/50 at best.)

  • John P says 11 months ago

    ideally, we trade Lin, draft picks and maybe a PF or two for a decent PF
    Then Bev starts, when really Harden is the PG.
    Brooks and Cannan are then backups.
    That is a really weak PG spot in my opinion but it could happen.

    But what honestly could we get for Lin?
    At this point he most of the league probably think he is overpaid.

    I personally prefer to keep him.
    He showed real potential last season (the SA and other games come to mind) and he is still in the learning the NBA phase of his career.
    His character is top notch and now with Harden and particularly Howard attracting all of the attention and expectations he can just do whatever he does and he won't be scrutinized as much.

    I just simply love Asik. I hope we can find a way to keep him, at least for this contract, to backup and hopefully play some with Howard.
    ...at the end though, he is by far our best trade chip and you know at some point LMA, Love, or some decent PF will come over for him.
    ...unless of course Jones or Dmo grow up this summer/early season...but I have my doubts.

    will the season start already.

  • rockets best fan says 11 months ago

    first and foremost if the Rockets sign Ivey he will be #20. the Rockets have19 players under contract now.

    1.Asik

    2,D-12

    3.Harden

    4.Lin

    5.Parsons

    6.D-Mo

    7.T-Jones

    8.Camby

    9.Garcia

    10.Casspi

    11.Williams

    12.Henriquez

    13.Young

    14.Covington

    15.Beverly

    16.Canaan

    17.G-Smith

    18.Brooks

    19.Brewer

    I agree a trade is in the works because all of these players have some level of guaranteed money. However some of these players can not be traded until later in the season because they already hadNBAexperience when we sign them. Garcia, Brooks, Brewer, Williams, Casspi and Camby fall into this category. these players can not be traded until January 15. as it stands now the Rockets would have to release four players of what we already have signed. should it come down to releasing players and no trade is done I expect some combination of these players to be released.........Covington, Brewer, Young, Williams, Henriquez................the way I see it.....if no trade is done these 5 players are fighting for 1 roster position.

  • Rahat Huq says 11 months ago

    this was actually written by Forrest Walker. I personally think the best course is just standing pat.

  • Knickabokkaz says 11 months ago Jesus, see what you started Huq, now back to the rumors of trading Lin packaging him with other player. smh lol
  • Freebird says 11 months ago

    Likewise - I thought the goal was to package Lin and some young'uns for another PG. However, Lin's recent comments and exposed mindset might have changed that goal. I really don't see them parting with Asik except for a sweetheart deal, so it looks like we'll be stashing 3-4 guys again this year.

    Do we have precedence on eligible players on the RGV team? I know we're affiliated, but seeing Goudelock on the Lakers made me wonder.

  • BrentYen says 11 months ago

    IMO, I feel the goal is still to ship out Lin and Asik (more one Lin's part).

    Now, the extra acquisitions in the off season is trying to make better packages, hence more number of options/possibilities for Morey to operate.