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What Do the Rockets Do Next?

After years of swelling, the wave finally crested and broke for the Houston Rockets. General Manager Daryl morey had claimed his two superstars, putting the Rockets in a position to fight for a championship once again. Dwight Howard and James Harden will be wearing the red and yellow for years to come. But once the relief and celebration wear off, an equally long road stretches out ahead of Houston. In the coming months and years, we can expect moves and tweaks to move the Rockets from second round locks to Finals contenders. The question, then, is what those moves might be.

Not coincidentally, the two players who present the greatest concern for the Rockets are Jeremy Lin and Ömer Aşık. Both were poached from their respective teams by way of a creative and underused proviso in the CBA: the “Gilbert Arenas” provision. Morey gave both players identical offer sheets, the aim being to scare Aşık’s Bulls and Lin’s Knicks into letting them walk instead of paying huge salaries in the contracts’ third and final years. Both offers were longshots, with the possibility of signing Lin seeming almost nonexistent. Somehow, Houston acquired both players, to varying reception.

These targets of opportunity were grabbed before the earth-shaking trade for james Harden, when Morey was in the “asset arbitrage” mode that Rahat Huq described here. Now that a core of two superstars is in place, team fit is more of a concern than potential, and Lin and Aşık present more questions than answers. The biggest question, of course, is “can he play alongside Harden and Howard?” The answer to this question will determine how long Aşık and Lin will live in Houston.

Aşık is easily the greater concern, being that his skill set is extremely similar to Dwight Howard’s, and in fact is good enough to deserve starter minutes himself. Reports have already surfaced that Aşık has requested a trade, which isn’t surprising. Playing both at the same time would create a veritable fortress under the basket on defense, but destroy any spacing on offense. With two players specializing in at-the-rim scoring and putbacks, perimeter attackers like Harden, Lin, and Chandler Parsons would find themselves in the teeth of lively help defense. What to do with Aşık then?

The best case scenario for Houston would be a trade for another star-caliber player. This is both the most desirable and least likely case for the Rockets, as other teams have little desire to more their star players. While a Kevin Love type player would be perfect, there’s no traction possible there. Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge must be on the Rockets’ radar, but is similarly unlikely to be moved. Unless he’s vehemently demanding a trade behind the scenes, Portland would be foolish to let him go for anything less than another star. Seeing Lin and Aşık (and more) leave for Portland would break the hearts of many in Houston, but the unlikely scenario of Harden, Howard and Aldridge on the same team would more than make up for it.

A much more realistic path is for the Rockets to bide their time. While Daryl Morey is known for his willingness to shatter rosters in the interest of team building, at times the best action can be inaction. This course fits with the reports thus far, that Houston has informed Aşık that they are unlikely to trade him for the time being. There are many questions about how a scoring point guard like Lin can work with Howard and Harden, and questions about Aşık have been raised above. The best way to answer those questions may simply be to try out the starting lineup as it stands. With most of the major free agents locked up already, a trade is the primary way for Houston to improve. Waiting to make a move has the advantage of letting Houston see what they have while still keeping options open. As another benefit, making a show of holding onto Aşık and Lin raises their trade value slightly, while a need to move a player before training camp puts pressure on the sellers rather than the buyers.

The last, and possibly most likely path is a trade for a starter-quality player such as Ryan Anderson. The Rockets are rumored to have interest in Anderson, and for good reason. While not possessing the star power of an Aldridge or Love, Anderson is a quality power forward with a laser-guided three point shot, exactly the type of player one wants next to Dwight Howard. There’s reason to believe they would work well together: they did it on the Orlando Magic. The major impediment to this move, or a move similar to it, is the interest of the other team. The Pelicans in particular seem to have no interest in Aşık. Other teams with quality stretch fours would need a desire for Aşık, unless a third team can be included. This complicates matters, but doesn’t make them impossible. Daryl Morey is never afraid to take his time brokering a deal, so don’t count such a move out until the trade deadline comes.

What makes this summer special for the Rockets is that they have the luxury of time. With a solid roster full of young players, Houston can afford to wait for the right deal, instead of simply trading up in talent at every opportunity. If Aşık and Lin must be moved for the good of the team, the front office can wait for a player who makes sense with the current roster. More importantly, Morey can use that luxury to force better deals. Waiting for the correct third team to facilitate or simply waiting out other GMs will be invaluable to Houston.

The Dwight Howard fireworks may be over, but the more subdued outdoor theater of Morey’s moves is only beginning. With quiet, solid signings like Francisco Garcia and Omri Casspi under his belt, Daryl Morey has only begun act two of his real performance. The trades aren’t over in Houston, and the roster building will go on for years. Aşık and Lin may raise painful questions, but the Rockets aren’t prone to panic. The players will take their places by October, even if some of the faces are new.

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  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    I really like Terrence Jones, he's a great competitor, and he is a good fit on both ends of the floor.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Terrance jones will be a better fit for this team by the end if the year.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    speaking of what the rockets should do next

    http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/source-aldridges-rep-meets-olshey-talk-trade-scenarios

    this is the next target

  • quatin says 1 YEAR ago

    @ 2016

    I don't want to burst your daydreaming bubble, but we are not getting Lebron. besides his ball hogging ways would kill this team. it's unlikely any of the top FA in the next couple of years will leave where they are. sure it could happen, but very very unlikely. the rockets will have decisions to make in 2 years, but it's a little early to start dissecting that right now

    Was this not you, predicting Patrick Beverly's salary in 2016? That's ok, but planning contracts for the huge 2016 free agent class is too early?

    2016Champions, on 12 Jun 2013 - 01:02, said:snapback.png

    I don't think Beverley will accept a lowball offer if he thinks he might get alot more in FA.


    who say we will lowball him? about 3 mil per will be his value

    Now is the perfect time to start managing contracts to make sure you have enough space to sign at least one of the big free agents in 2016.
    The chances might be low that we actually sign one, but we have ZERO chance if we have no cap space.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    Why not run an actual play rather than doing either 1v5? Basketball is a team game.


    Isolation is a play.
  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    Why not run an actual play rather than doing either 1v5? Basketball is a team game.

    No doubt that would be ideal. But, in reality, in sports, entertainments, and whatnot, hero and leading role supposed to save the day.

    Even in "Ocean Eleven" and "Magnificent seven", one got better of the others. :)

  • Jeby says 1 YEAR ago

    The question of whether Dwight will get his touches in the post or in the PnR isn't exactly an either/or proposition from a coaching standpoint, if the Rockets take a page from the Spurs.

    In the Finals, the Heat would front Duncan aggressively to avoid letting him get the ball in the post. Duncan would then counter by coming out to set a pick for the ball-handler. Even when the Heat defended the play perfectly, the resulting PnR would occasionally have Duncan getting the ball back--on the block, matched up against the help defender.

    Howard doesn't have to choose between PnR and post-ups. He and Lin/Harden can force the defense to choose which way to die.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Why not run an actual play rather than doing either 1v5? Basketball is a team game.
  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    i could see dwight getting the ball in the post at points where the offense slows down. traditionally it was late 1st quarter, some points at the 2nd quarter, 3rd quarter (either at the beginning of the end). the times it got bad in the 4 is if the team fell behind during the slow points of the game. the most of the time winning in the 4th happened was when the rockets performed heroically, but i dont see dwight getting the ball in the post unless it's a close late 80s- early 90s scoring game and harden is off. it will normally be harden's.

    I kind of agree that Harden should get the ball during crunch time since he can make plays and shoot better. But his last year failed ISO were alarming. I think we have to wait and see which one is more lethal: Harden's ISO vs. Howard's post-up

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    @ 2016

    I don't want to burst your daydreaming bubble, but we are not getting Lebron. besides his ball hogging ways would kill this team. it's unlikely any of the top FA in the next couple of years will leave where they are. sure it could happen, but very very unlikely. the rockets will have decisions to make in 2 years, but it's a little early to start dissecting that right now

    Ballhogging ways? If you were joking, please clarify. Because Lebron is not a ballhog. LMAO

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @ 2016

    I don't want to burst your daydreaming bubble, but we are not getting Lebron. besides his ball hogging ways would kill this team. it's unlikely any of the top FA in the next couple of years will leave where they are. sure it could happen, but very very unlikely. the rockets will have decisions to make in 2 years, but it's a little early to start dissecting that right now

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    I'll say this...we didn't bring Hakeem on as a coach/mentor for Dwight without the intention of giving him the ball in the post. This doesn't mean Dwight is going to shoot it every time he gets it there. Hakeem was a deft passer and if Dwight can be half that good we will get lots of good looks from 3 and on cuts to the rim.


    That's more to keep Lebron from improving too much in the post. But yeah I think he will get his touches.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I'll say this...we didn't bring Hakeem on as a coach/mentor for Dwight without the intention of giving him the ball in the post. This doesn't mean Dwight is going to shoot it every time he gets it there. Hakeem was a deft passer and if Dwight can be half that good we will get lots of good looks from 3 and on cuts to the rim.

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    Take it easy guys it's obvious you both disagree so let us all just respect each others differences. And let's try to avoid labeling fellow forum members "haters" because that doesn't advance debate and I believe you all can do better than that.

    With regards to the conversation about Dwight's touches I say timing is crucial. The great thing about Harden is that he can score in bunches and at a rapid pace. I would theorize at this point the first half is for getting Howard going and in the second half focus can shift towards Harden. Of course it can't always work this way but just as a general idea McHale can get that post game going early to see how the defense responds. By getting Howard going in the beginning of the game you engage the big guy and his defensive intensity increases as well. As McHale and staff see the defense they can make their adjustments which could be stressing more transition, more passing to reach weak side three point shooters or continuing breaking down the defense in the post by either pick and rolls, misdirection/cutting or post ups. As the second half goes on and the opposing defense has been broken down then Harden can go to work and score quickly just as he often did last year with little to no support. Harden's burden should be shared this year and by the playoffs I look for him to have break out performances. I have to say I cannot remember the last time I was this excited about the Rockets.

    i could see dwight getting the ball in the post at points where the offense slows down. traditionally it was late 1st quarter, some points at the 2nd quarter, 3rd quarter (either at the beginning of the end). the times it got bad in the 4 is if the team fell behind during the slow points of the game. the most of the time winning in the 4th happened was when the rockets performed heroically, but i dont see dwight getting the ball in the post unless it's a close late 80s- early 90s scoring game and harden is off. it will normally be harden's.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago
    There are so many possibilities that it's impossible to predict what Rockets will do next without inside knowledge, but honestly I wonder if even Morey knows what Morey will do next. He didn't seem to know he was going to trade for Thomas Robinson, apparently that opportunity presented itself out of nowhere and Morey just jumped on it. Interestingly, there were rumors that Morey never intended to keep Thomas Robinson and simply acquired him because he thought Robinson would be easier to move if need be--a move one might call opportunity friendly.
    rockets_dwight__2_.jpg
    A very cool illustration of the opportunity friendly moves Daryl Morey made which eventually led to the signing of Dwight Howard.
    My first thought of what the Rockets should do next is simple: stand pat, all we need to do from here is improve from within and we have enough to win a champion. Problem with that though is that things change, eventually Asik's contract will end in 2015 and chances are he won't resign knowing he will be playing second fiddle to the guy people are now dubbing as Rocket Man. Will we still have enough without Asik? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not sure I like the idea of losing such a valuable asset for nothing in return. We might have a little cap space to sign another free agent after Asik's and Lin's contract ends in 2015 but it won't be enough for a max contract by my estimation which I will illustrate below.
    The salary cap for 2014-2015 season projected to be somewhere around $62.5 million, the 2015-2016 projection should be even higher than that but sometimes the cap ends up falling below early projections (for example the early projection for 2013-2014 was $60 million but ended up being only $58.68 million).
    2015-2016 salaries:
    Dwight Howard $22,359,364
    James Harden $15,719,219
    Terrence Jones $2,489,530
    Donatas Motiejunas $2,288,205
    Isaiah Canaan $947,276
    Total: 43,803,438
    From there there are so many questions:
    How much will we re-sign Parsons for? My guess is $8-10 million.
    Will Patrick Beverley pick up his qualifying offer for $1.2 million or ask for a raise?
    What will the cap holds be?
    What about the cap space for our draft picks?
    That's just a few of the many possible questions. I'm not sure what the answers are, but my estimation of what the answers are should leave us with an inadequate amount to sign a max player in the Free Agency of 2015 (assuming we re-sign Parsons which we probably will). However, if we trade Asik and/or Lin during the trade deadline or next off-season and try to make a splash in the 2014 Free Agency it's a different story--we will have enough for a max contract, and there the possibility of Lebron James and/or Bosh opting out and becoming Free Agents in 2014.
    I know the chances of Lebron opting out and joining the Rockets is very unlikely right now, but I think Daryl Morey will take the gamble--call it an educated guess based on Morey's history of gambling when the risk is low and the reward is high. The reason I say the risk is low is because if we don't get Lebron we will probably get another good player anyway, Houston is a very desirable destination now, and the reason I say the reward is high is obvious--it's Lebron James. With Lebron, we could have the best team in NBA history.
    Howard
    Lebron (Jones and/or DMo will probably get traded if we get Lebron)
    Parsons
    Harden
    Canaan
    The chances of Lebron signing with the Rockets with Houston are low for now, but the chances of Howard signing with Houston were also low a year ago. Anything is possible.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I believe Parsons went to LA to work out with Dwight which is a great sign. I wonder if Harden went, he is from California anyway and may be out there.

    according to what I have seen almost the whole team will be out there

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I'd say they are all practicing their alley-oops to Dwight. In fact, we should skip pre-game lay-up drills and just have everyone throw lobs to Dwight to get ready for the game. :)

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I believe Parsons went to LA to work out with Dwight which is a great sign. I wonder if Harden went, he is from California anyway and may be out there.
  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    ahhhhhh so pumped for the preseason. happy that the band is together and has time for training camp this time.

    how important is having a training camp? does it impact the way the team plays together by march or is that more of a win/loss record thing?

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    Nice post, FSS--I think you're on the right track there.

    Now I'd like to chime in a little bit on the "name-calling" and everything.

    When people make posts that are overtly skewed one way or another without providing any support or reasoning it is difficult to take them seriously. If it's sarcasm then make it clear--if not, then don't be surprised/offended by the responses you get. You reap what you sow.

    While I agree that name-calling does nothing to promote the discussion I would say the same about the posts eliciting these responses. If people want to be respected then make respectful posts. To have your opinion seriously considered give reasoning--if I wanted to read forums with people shouting at each other with zero substance I'd be elsewhere. This is not what Red94 is meant for.

    My suggestion/preference moving forward would be this: First, when people make posts like this just ignore them completely--they deserve about as much thoughtful response as was originally invested in them. Second, let's watch the double-standards--there's more than one way to be disrespectful/condescending.

    I know it's easier said than done but we all need to share the responsibility of keeping things on level--with our own posts and with our responses to others.

    Thanks.

    Well when proven wrong with facts, that's when the name calling begins.
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago ^^^^
    Agreed
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago You're the voice of reason on this forum, thejohnnygold.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Nice post, FSS--I think you're on the right track there.

    Now I'd like to chime in a little bit on the "name-calling" and everything.

    When people make posts that are overtly skewed one way or another without providing any support or reasoning it is difficult to take them seriously. If it's sarcasm then make it clear--if not, then don't be surprised/offended by the responses you get. You reap what you sow.

    While I agree that name-calling does nothing to promote the discussion I would say the same about the posts eliciting these responses. If people want to be respected then make respectful posts. To have your opinion seriously considered give reasoning--if I wanted to read forums with people shouting at each other with zero substance I'd be elsewhere. This is not what Red94 is meant for.

    My suggestion/preference moving forward would be this: First, when people make posts like this just ignore them completely--they deserve about as much thoughtful response as was originally invested in them. Second, let's watch the double-standards--there's more than one way to be disrespectful/condescending.

    I know it's easier said than done but we all need to share the responsibility of keeping things on level--with our own posts and with our responses to others.

    Thanks.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Take it easy guys it's obvious you both disagree so let us all just respect each others differences. And let's try to avoid labeling fellow forum members "haters" because that doesn't advance debate and I believe you all can do better than that.

    With regards to the conversation about Dwight's touches I say timing is crucial. The great thing about Harden is that he can score in bunches and at a rapid pace. I would theorize at this point the first half is for getting Howard going and in the second half focus can shift towards Harden. Of course it can't always work this way but just as a general idea McHale can get that post game going early to see how the defense responds. By getting Howard going in the beginning of the game you engage the big guy and his defensive intensity increases as well. As McHale and staff see the defense they can make their adjustments which could be stressing more transition, more passing to reach weak side three point shooters or continuing breaking down the defense in the post by either pick and rolls, misdirection/cutting or post ups. As the second half goes on and the opposing defense has been broken down then Harden can go to work and score quickly just as he often did last year with little to no support. Harden's burden should be shared this year and by the playoffs I look for him to have break out performances. I have to say I cannot remember the last time I was this excited about the Rockets.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago You said the only way you are proven wrong is if he's w third string PG. That signifies close mindedness. But it's not really name calling.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    There's no point in debating about Lin since you will ignore his production. That is the definition of a "hater". And I hate using that word but it is the only one that applies. If you said I don't believe Lin will succeed, that's one thing. (RBF and I disagree but I still recognize his opinion). Lin only fans are annoying, but Lin haters are just as bad.

    People start calling other names, when they know that the have lost the debate, as a way of ending the debate. So Thank you for admitting that you have lost the debate.
  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    You can do alot worse than having Lin as your PG. Look at Raymond Felton, who insisted that he would be better than Lin, and what do you have Mr. Chubby Lazy PG? He is terrible at turnovers. The game still seems to overwhelm him at times causing him to make sloppy turnovers. But he does show signs of brilliance. Harden handling the ball so much does make it much harder though.

    What needs to be remembered is that Dwight Howard is a high maintenance player.

    A) He wants to be the man. Not earning it, but given it by default. Does that mean the beard will defer to him? Let's hope they sort that out.

    B) He is very turnover prone

    C) He wants to score and touch the ball alot. 20+ I think is his goal. Anything like the 17 he had last year and some mumbling about him being unhappy is sure to leak out

    D) His most effective play is pick and roll, but what he wants to do is more post up. Seems to want to show his skills, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not sure why he doesn't want to score in the easiest way possible, and also taking the post up opportunities when they present themselves.

    E) The good thing is, the more he is coddled and fed the ball, the harder he will play and defend. His back should be fully healed from last year's rehab season.

    you might have to play with his mind. give him 15-20 touches but favor post ups instead of pick and roll. that way he can think he is getting the ball more rather than getting the ball more. of course, 20+ touches a game could be optimal. it depends on the supporting cast and the opponent's defense.

  • vnmslsrbms says 1 YEAR ago

    You can do alot worse than having Lin as your PG. Look at Raymond Felton, who insisted that he would be better than Lin, and what do you have Mr. Chubby Lazy PG? He is terrible at turnovers. The game still seems to overwhelm him at times causing him to make sloppy turnovers. But he does show signs of brilliance. Harden handling the ball so much does make it much harder though.

    What needs to be remembered is that Dwight Howard is a high maintenance player.

    A) He wants to be the man. Not earning it, but given it by default. Does that mean the beard will defer to him? Let's hope they sort that out.

    B) He is very turnover prone

    C) He wants to score and touch the ball alot. 20+ I think is his goal. Anything like the 17 he had last year and some mumbling about him being unhappy is sure to leak out

    D) His most effective play is pick and roll, but what he wants to do is more post up. Seems to want to show his skills, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not sure why he doesn't want to score in the easiest way possible, and also taking the post up opportunities when they present themselves.

    E) The good thing is, the more he is coddled and fed the ball, the harder he will play and defend. His back should be fully healed from last year's rehab season.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago There's no point in debating about Lin since you will ignore his production. That is the definition of a "hater". And I hate using that word but it is the only one that applies. If you said I don't believe Lin will succeed, that's one thing. (RBF and I disagree but I still recognize his opinion). Lin only fans are annoying, but Lin haters are just as bad.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago So Lin is gonna accept that he is average at best and gonna do what's right for the team and become the third PG? Only way I'm proven "wrong".
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Parsons would jump all over ten a year to stay and start for a contender..our awesome owner will pay the tax if he has too..I believe in our team were we might not have to go get another star..think we have 3 that can be that..Tjones is killing the summer league I know that its just summer league but I think he is ready..parsons is..well parsons..easily ready to be a Allstate next year..and Lin..I know what 80% of the Rocket "Fans" think..but I truly believe he is going to prove a lot of your wrong..at worse i think we got a close to all star woth parsons..and two good players that could be great..they got til the trade deadline to show that they are ready to take that next step or Morey will go out and get someone who can..and I was thinking bout something else..what team in their right mind is going to trade us a young superstar to go with Harden and Dwight..I just can't believe that Minny would be let us have Love and dominate the west for the next five years..so we are going to have to grow one out of the three there or get a free agent next year
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    I agree............however the rockets will in 2 years be faced with the same decision OKC was facing........which of these young talents to pay and which to ship out. although I believe Parsons is on the keeper list now 2 years can change things in the NBA


    But OKC is small market, with a CRAPPY TV deal (like $18M). Houston is big market, with a good TV deal (when it's finished, and it will be now that D12 is in the ketchup and mustards), and with the second most Fortune 500 companies in the US for more sponserships, plus the China contecton. If the Rockets can make $120M on the TV deal (Lakers got $200M), then they can spend 10 M over cap and still only have the TV deal pay for it for awhile.
  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Houston can pay Parsons around 10m and still stay under the luxury tax. Besides, Leslie has said he is willing to pay luxury tax if we're winning championships which I believe we will by 2016.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I think Rockets will do the right thing by Parsons and give him an extension rather than have him go into the 4th year of his current contract.

    I agree............however the rockets will in 2 years be faced with the same decision OKC was facing........which of these young talents to pay and which to ship out. although I believe Parsons is on the keeper list now 2 years can change things in the NBA

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    I think Rockets will do the right thing by Parsons and give him an extension rather than have him go into the 4th year of his current contract.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Two different thoughts. In your spreadsheet you don't have a QO next to Parsons, it needs one for he will be a restricted FA.

    The Bird Rights comment was to Asik and Lin.

    Parsons will not be a RFA. because the rockets signed Parsons to a four year deal, when that deal expires he will be free to go anywhere he wants to. RFA only applies to first round draft picks and second round draft picks on 3 year deals. I expect the rockets to try to sign Parsons to an extension sometime in this upcoming year. he can not be allowed to reach FA without an extension agreement. if he doesn't agree to a deal before the end of next year he will be traded

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Two different thoughts. In your spreadsheet you don't have a QO next to Parsons, it needs one for he will be a restricted FA.

    The Bird Rights comment was to Asik and Lin.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Parsons needs a QO as well. For he will be a restricted FA that year. And you have to renounce your bird rights to your FAs. I don't see Osik staying a Rocket for that long.

    Wait....I'm confused on this. I thought we would be able to bring in a free agent (if we want to) while staying under the cap and then re-sign Parsons while retaining his Bird rights--even if that pushes us over the salary cap. Why would we have to renounce his Bird rights?

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Parsons needs a QO as well. For he will be a restricted FA that year. And you have to renounce your bird rights to your FAs. I don't see Osik staying a Rocket for that long.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Something that seems to be going unmentioned (for the most part) is the timing of expiring contracts that Morey has set up for Houston. We are set to be able to be players in free agency again after the 2015 season. Check out the Salary structure:

    fBujTWK.jpg

    That should leave us around $18M in cap space (assuming the cap will be a touch higher) to play with. Assuming everything is going well, there are a few free agents from around the league who might be interested in joining us--Kevin Love and Lamarcus Aldridge are two of those players. In fact, the PF class of 2015 is the deepest of all positions available. By then we will know if we have developed our own or are in need of purchasing one on the open market. Given the glut of talent at PG these days, finding one on the cheap will be easy enough should we go that route--especially given their limited role on our team.

    If we re-shuffle this deck there is a good chance we lose that opportunity. If we re-shuffle it too much there is a chance we won't even be able to retain Parsons. The way Morey has set it up we will only have guaranteed money going to Harden and Howard after the 2015 season--the others listed are team options. Unless I'm mistaken, this strategy allows us to not only go after a high-profile free agent, but also to retain Parsons if that is what we want to do--we'd be playing with the luxury tax, but if we're winning titles I think Les will let it ride for a season or two.

    Unless a Godfather offer falls in Morey's lap, there is just no good reason to make any significant alterations to this roster right now. Instead, look at the value of playing together for the next two years, finding a good chemistry, and winning it all. We've got the stars, the role players, the balance, and the depth to achieve that.

    Looking further into the future, we are probably not going to be active players in the upcoming 2014 draft (purported to be filled will studs), but we can set ourselves up quite nicely to have that cap space open again when their rookie contracts expire by playing our cards right when we re-set after 2015. I guarantee Morey is thinking this far ahead and probably further.

    It might be time to sit back and smell the roses for a little. Morey's work has paid off and, for the first time in a while, we're the ones in the driver's seat.

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    id get rid of Lin's backloaded contract for rasual butler at this point. Steve has accolades that dwight and harden only dream of. The man can make a young team work. We need his mind and his three point shot... let the rest of the running and defense up to bev.... sound short sighted enough? shallow enough? maybe so but im not on a kick lin out rampage but he is not worth the contract that is about to land upon our doorstep.

    If I can get a dime every time people don't understand how Lin and Asik's contract work, I would be a millionare by now.

  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago

    lets get dragic back. suns dont need him anymore

  • Dan G says 1 YEAR ago

    Apparently Steve Nash took D12 leaving to heart.... what do you think about a Jlin for Nash trade situation???

    I'd take my chances with Lin. Younger and has a much better chance to stay on the floor.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Apparently Steve Nash took D12 leaving to heart.... what do you think about a Jlin for Nash trade situation???

    Steve Nash is a dinosaur. a relic, a shell of the player he use to be. probably will get hurt before training camp is over. I don't care how good he was father time is still undefeated. his contract is for 9 mil per the next two years..........sounds like an anvil to me.....not a buoy

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    I thought about Nash as well. Even though Harden hogs, it's not the same as Kobe, actually likes to get assists as well, and obviously, having a reliable shooter, one of the best of all time, gives you confidence to pass him the ball, confidence that somewhere during the season, he lacked towards Lin.

    But that's 9 million for a guy who is about to turn 40! I love Nash, but that's waaaaaaaaaay too much money for an injury-prone player who is likely to keep getting worse phisically and only got that far because Phoenix's medical staff is the very best around.

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    id get rid of Lin's backloaded contract for rasual butler at this point. Steve has accolades that dwight and harden only dream of. The man can make a young team work. We need his mind and his three point shot... let the rest of the running and defense up to bev.... sound short sighted enough? shallow enough? maybe so but im not on a kick lin out rampage but he is not worth the contract that is about to land upon our doorstep.

  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago That's a bad trade since Nash isn't effective next to a ball dominated sg. Ei Kobe. Also why would we want a player who is old and coming back from an injury
  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    Apparently Steve Nash took D12 leaving to heart.... what do you think about a Jlin for Nash trade situation???

  • pharmag says 1 YEAR ago

    One thing to remember is that this offense doesn't need a true PG. Needs two combo guards, which we currently have. If Lin can improve his 3-point shot and turnovers, I think he is about as good a fit as you are going to find. The only question is if he would agree to a 5-6 million contract (must show improvement first) at the end of his current one. If so, then that combined with moving Asik should open up the requisite money to pay Parsons what he has earned.

  • webattorney says 1 YEAR ago

    It shows that he is not a good enough athlete to get one of the 3000+ scholarships offered by D-1 coaches. It has a lot of bearing as to why people say he isn't a good defender (better athletes). He is a decent enough basketball player to be in the league, but should be the Rockets third PG making the minimum. Like someone told me about stats, somebody as to accrue them considering the minutes he played 13/6 was below average.

    Your definition of being athletic is very limited. Although Lin's vertical jump is not top 30% for a PG (although he can dunk), he has a very quick first step to the basket and he is one of the fastest guy dribbling the ball on transition plays. And his court vision is very good. You don't become top 5 or 6 in steals per game by being slow. If he could improve his long jumpers, he can become 15 points/8 assists per game PG this season.

  • webattorney says 1 YEAR ago

    16 - 17 turnovers? You mean the team right? And agree there was 4-5 a game from asik dropping the balls and couldn't catch. Lin and Harden should benefit from that change to D12 look at what Chandler could do with Lin and D12 is even better than Chandler. Just hope that D12 feels like going for 15 PnRs

    One negative aspect of Lin's game is that he will keep on passing the ball to anyone who is open, even though that player may not be a good offensive player or be able to catch the ball. I often wished that Lin would not pass the ball to Asik on many occassions, but no, Lin keeps on passing the ball to Asik. Lin probably lost 1.5 assists per game due to Asik's inability to score very easy points by just jumping and dunking or not catching the ball.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I have no idea about Lin being shopped around--he certainly does not fall under the category of "off-limits" so anything is possible. I'm not against trading him--I just don't see any realistic trades out there that make us better.

    Going back to your point RBF--I'm not carving out excuses for Lin or trying to make him seem better--it was just something I was thinking about and we'll be able to tell when we watch the games (i think they'll be mostly obvious). He's not going to be the only player doing it--happens all over the league.

    It has more to do with what FSS was saying (not sure if it was in this thread or another) that Dwight's arrival definitely is going to help Lin be more effective on both sides of the ball. The same would apply to any other PG.

  • webattorney says 1 YEAR ago

    That's some of the craziness I have been talking bout..just stright disrespectful toward your own player..I still love that none of your disrespectful Lin talkers are not brave enough to say what he will average next year..can 1 of you PLEASE say what you think Lin will average next year as a starter..I have been on record saying he will get 17p9a a game next year..so please step up and stop saying he is a 3rd string player and say what he will average next year PLEASE!!!!!

    I think Lin will average more assists with Dwight on board, around 7.5 per game. Also, I think Lin could average around 15 PPG. That's not bad numbers at all, playing next to Harden. Lin is the most over-rated and under-rated player all at the same time. :)

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @rocketsbestfan: Thanks for the warm welcome. I see what you're saying about the different level of competition for big men these days. But doesn't that do more to undermine than promote the idea that Dwight's this generation's Hakeem? That is, against inferior bigs, shouldn't Dwight be even better? It's not just that he's not better, it's that he's markedly worse. Watching him operate in the post against anything other than one on one defense in a clear out is actually a lot like watching MWP in the post. Neither has much of a plan for what to do with the ball, and both resort simply try to out-brute the defender, which often results in offensive fouls. Fortunately, Dwight's 6'9 and not 6'6, so he has a higher success rate.

    I'm with you on Lin, but I'd have to disagree re: the supporting casts. Titles certainly boost reputations, but only Elie's fame is drawn from those Houston titles. Horry, Smith, Thorpe, and Cassel were all quite legitimate high level players in many other contexts --- Smith, Thorpe, and Cassel even All-Stars I believe. Besides, who on this roster could rival Kenny as a commentator? :)

    you probably got me on the commentator gig :lol:as for Howard he is not nearly the player Hakeem was, but neither is the competition so I believe him capable of getting the job done.......as for the supporting cast Smith and Cassel never made an allstar team.....neither did Horry. YES they were good role players, but none had star talent. Thorpe made the allstar team, but was still limited offensively

  • webattorney says 1 YEAR ago

    Let me start by reminding that I am not some starry-eyed Lin devotee that thinks he hung the moon and is infallible. I am looking at this as a Rockets fan--plain and simple....

    I get the calls for upgrading the PG position--it is always good to be open minded about upgrading the team. What I don't get is what anyone thinks is actually going to be better. For those who think Bev is the answer--do consider the shift in USG% over the course of an entire season plus better scouting reports and the necessary shift in defensive energy to be able to play starters minutes throughout the season. Further, Bev is a SG with good handles and a decent floor general, but he is not a player capable of running an offense--his per 36 numbers are not as good as Lin's and those extrapolations are often better than reality for high-energy reserves.

    Here is a list of the league's PGs

    Bearing in mind the salary cap and who is actually available (meaning their team would be willing to part with the PG we want) I can't see a single player that is an obvious upgrade at this time. Most of the best PG's are either entrenched on their teams (like Tony Parker, CP3, Derrick Rose, etc.) or are on rookie contracts and are cornerstone pieces for their franchises (Kyrie, Wall, etc.).

    After that we have to look at fit. I think most agree that a strong spot-up shooter with above average defense that can create off the dribble and play some pick n roll while gladly deferring to Harden and Howard is the ideal. Funny how much that sounds like Lin (presuming his shooting stroke resembles the second half of last season or better)...

    Before anyone says Goran Dragic--I don't think so. They are nearly identical players and the loss in team chemistry would not justify that exchange. Phoenix only makes that trade if we include other assets--not a good deal. Based on their per 36 numbers from basketball-reference.com, the difference is 1 point and 1 assist per game extra for Dragic, but with a higher usg%. Lin also sports a better 3 pt.% for the season. To me that is a wash.

    Are we talking Alexey Shved, Jimmer Fredette, Mo WIlliams, etc. to replace Lin? (Actually, Jimmer is intriguing....but I still think Lin's overall package is better.) Is Greivis Vasquez available? If so, what's the price tag on that? Does New Orleans make that trade?

    I think Lin is going to do very well this year with so much talent around him. Yes, his $8.3M cap hit is a little higher than people would like but it's not that far out of line and there is a solid chance he re-signs for a more palatable amount once that contract expires.

    I honestly expect to see him flirting with 40% 3pt., and a solid 15 pts, 8 assists per game with a better assist/turnover ratio. I just don't see a better fit that's available. Maybe Canaan or Bev can take the starting role from him in time, but for now it appears to be his spot.

    As for the rest of the team....I hope they are preaching strong defense across the board, but especially to the PF's. I'd be content if they scored zero points a game as long as they play strong D and clean the glass like champs. Parsons, Harden, Howard, and Lin will provide the bulk of the scoring load followed by Bev, Garcia, and Asik.

    Good points. Do you interpret Lin's silence regarding Howard's joing Rockets as an indication that Rockets has told him that they are shopping him around?

  • bryan22583 says 1 YEAR ago

    @rocketsbestfan: Thanks for the warm welcome. I see what you're saying about the different level of competition for big men these days. But doesn't that do more to undermine than promote the idea that Dwight's this generation's Hakeem? That is, against inferior bigs, shouldn't Dwight be even better? It's not just that he's not better, it's that he's markedly worse. Watching him operate in the post against anything other than one on one defense in a clear out is actually a lot like watching MWP in the post. Neither has much of a plan for what to do with the ball, and both resort simply try to out-brute the defender, which often results in offensive fouls. Fortunately, Dwight's 6'9 and not 6'6, so he has a higher success rate.

    I'm with you on Lin, but I'd have to disagree re: the supporting casts. Titles certainly boost reputations, but only Elie's fame is drawn from those Houston titles. Horry, Smith, Thorpe, and Cassel were all quite legitimate high level players in many other contexts --- Smith, Thorpe, and Cassel even All-Stars I believe. Besides, who on this roster could rival Kenny as a commentator? :)

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    if we had 16 a game and he was just a quarter that cuts us to12. that along is a nice improvement


    it was 1-2 a game. i said "quarter" for a max figure. harden and lin were more turnover machines than asik.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago You guys are as bad as Kobe fans. They(ESPN) believe a miss by Kobe is better than miss by other players. I actually read a few quotes last year detailing their explanation. It was so ludicrous that I burst out laughing.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Asik was barely the cause of 16 turnovers. It was less than a quarter of that avg at the most.

    if we had 16 a game and he was just a quarter that cuts us to12. that along is a nice improvement

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago Asik was barely the cause of 16 turnovers. It was less than a quarter of that avg at the most.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Ha--this is good. I didn't mean to start a debate about this roster vs. that one--mostly wanted to show the supporting/role players' stat lines for reference--which, as Steven noted above, were probably even lower than what is shown due to the Clyde trade.

    I think we all agree that turnovers are a problem--but it's not just Lin--that was a team problem. I expect improvement from everyone in that regard.

    I was thinking about it yesterday and I think Lin is going to get quite a few "ghost assists" next season. By this I mean, he is going to drive and draw the defense his way and basically do a shot-pass off the backboard knowing that Howard is there to go up and put it in on the other side. Those typically get scored as missed fga, rebound, and putback....but they are often intentional and I think Lin is selfless enough to not worry about his fg% as long as the team is scoring.

    team turnover problems will drop this year on this fact alone. fact: Asik couldn't catch a cold on most days :lol:the man is a great defender/rebounder, but he couldn't catch a pass with the old NFL stickum on his hands. sometimes the turnover fell on someone else, but they should have been his. D-12 will finish these plays.

    funny you should mention ghost assist. are you trying to give Lin another angle in ways he can be valuable? because anybody can toss it off the backboard. we just had a stat comparison in the other thread and now you are pointing out a way to circumvent the stats.........hmmmm. that's part of my argument with looking at stats only.......sometimes they don't give you a clear picture. YES they are useful, but not a know all be all evaluation

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    The pg spot doesn't have to be at an all star level. It needs a 3-5 mil type player. All Lin has to do is pass the ball. Handle it a bit. catch and shoot 3s. Drive to the basket a minimal amount. I think Lin can fill this no pressure minimized role compared to what was required of him last season. If he does, then the only negative is his salary and how it takes 3 mil away from getting a better bench/great 6th man scorer. 12 and 8 is damn fine to me especially with ghost assists.


    You guys are blaming way too many TOs on asik(some were ill advised passes from harden). He'd have 1-3 fumbles a game. There seems to be some gloss on harden and Lin. Getting trapped. Jump passes and trying to sell calls.

    Agree--this all revolves around Lin's salary...it comes off the books in two years and hasn't prevented us from assembling an enviable roster. I'm cool with it.

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago The pg spot doesn't have to be at an all star level. It needs a 3-5 mil type player. All Lin has to do is pass the ball. Handle it a bit. catch and shoot 3s. Drive to the basket a minimal amount. I think Lin can fill this no pressure minimized role compared to what was required of him last season. If he does, then the only negative is his salary and how it takes 3 mil away from getting a better bench/great 6th man scorer. 12 and 8 is damn fine to me especially with ghost assists.


    You guys are blaming way too many TOs on asik(some were ill advised passes from harden). He'd have 1-3 fumbles a game. There seems to be some gloss on harden and Lin. Getting trapped. Jump passes and trying to sell calls.
  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago

    Its a good debate. I don't know about the stats but out backcourt must have been the most turnover prone in the league.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Ha--this is good. I didn't mean to start a debate about this roster vs. that one--mostly wanted to show the supporting/role players' stat lines for reference--which, as Steven noted above, were probably even lower than what is shown due to the Clyde trade.

    I think we all agree that turnovers are a problem--but it's not just Lin--that was a team problem. I expect improvement from everyone in that regard.

    I was thinking about it yesterday and I think Lin is going to get quite a few "ghost assists" next season. By this I mean, he is going to drive and draw the defense his way and basically do a shot-pass off the backboard knowing that Howard is there to go up and put it in on the other side. Those typically get scored as missed fga, rebound, and putback....but they are often intentional and I think Lin is selfless enough to not worry about his fg% as long as the team is scoring.

  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago

    Let's not forget Tyson Chandler looked unstoppable on that PnR with Lin back in NY....I agree that Howard's arrival can't do anything but benefit Lin. I don't remeber exactly, but I think he averaged something like 16 or 17 turnovers per game last season, and at least 8 had to do with Asik, a number which I expect to decrease at least to 2 given that Howard can catch a ball. It's imperative to sell Dwight on embracing playing PnR again like he did in Orlando.

    16 - 17 turnovers? You mean the team right? And agree there was 4-5 a game from asik dropping the balls and couldn't catch. Lin and Harden should benefit from that change to D12 look at what Chandler could do with Lin and D12 is even better than Chandler. Just hope that D12 feels like going for 15 PnRs

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @bryan22583

    1.welcome to the forum :rolleyes:

    2. I agree Howard is no Hakeem. but he doesn't have to be. Hakeem played at a time frame where giants still roam the paint. at the time Hakeem played Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Kareem, Parrish and McHale (just to name a few) were all in the league at some point. that level of competition isn't present in todays league. Howard is fully capable of dominating any of the bigs in the league right now, so in that light he is Hakeem for this generation

    3. the players you named as the supporting cast for the championship teams are only known to you because of the championships. all of them had their flaws. when you win the championship there's enough glory for all to enjoy. the cast we currently have on this team is on par with that championship cast. they just don't have the fame, but the talent is there.

    4. as for Lin.......you're new here so I don't want to toss the mother load of our past debates on him in your lap, but Idon't believe he is the right PG for this team and I will just leave it at that :rolleyes:

  • bryan22583 says 1 YEAR ago

    Interesting stats from the Dream/Drexler era. I'd forgotten that those guys were just 32 when they won the title -- for some reason they seemed older (maybe that simply was older during that generation, or maybe it was the latter years playing w/Barkley & Pip that left a lasting imprint). What jumps out at me is the all too often forgotten stellar quality of their supporting cast. A young Big Shot Bob and Sam Cassel, Otis Thorpe, Mad Max, Kenny Smith, and the underrated Mario Elie…man that's one hell of a squad. Better than they get credit for when the best teams of all time are discussed. I think that's mostly a result of the unfounded assumption that Jordan's Bulls would have beaten them if he'd not been playing baseball. Looking at it now, I seriously doubt it. Max was one of the few guys wholly unafraid of Jordan, Drexler would've occupied Pippen, and no one the Bulls could have thrown out there could've remotely slowed Hakeem. Anyway, I've gotten pretty far afield here...

    The point I intended to make is that the current Rockets roster is no match for that team. It starts with Dwight: with all due respect, he's no Hakeem. I think at times he's been close to as good defensively, but he's simply not in the same stratosphere on the other end of the court. As excited as I am to see him play at full health this season, I'd caution against expecting too much from him in the post. Dwight's ham-handed down there, even if he was underutilized in LA. He's a turnover machine, and has precisely zero reliable post moves. Remember, those championship Rockets teams revolved around Hakeem drawing double and triple teams and his elite court vision to find shooters with precision passing. Howard won't draw as much attention, nor can he approximate Hakeem's passing.

    Now Harden can compensate for some of the gap. He's better than anyone who played on those Rockets squads by a significant margin. Beyond Harden, however, only Parsons and Asik (who's as good as gone…we'll see what he garners in a trade) could've played crucial roles on those old Rockets teams. That's a problem. If we essentially offset Parsons with Horry (he was way better back then than in last days w/Spurs), and Asik with Thorpe (actually a somewhat apt comp.), we're still left with Cassell, Maxwell, Smith, and Elie unaccounted for. These Rockets don't have to be historically great to win a ring, but I'm afraid that without more behind H&H, they're far behind even the most pedestrian champions.

    Finally, with regard to LIn, I agree w/@feelingsupersonic that we can expect some improvement, particularly on the defensive end. On offense, however, I think we'll see even more turnovers on a per minute basis. Lin is essentially a pick & roll player…Howard struggled mightily to run that play with Nash. It resulted in a turnover nearly half the time, many of which were credited to Nash. If I'm Lin, I shoot 500 spot up threes a day from now until October. If he does that, and improves his effort defensively, perhaps he can become one of the missing pieces to the supporting cast puzzle.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Let's not forget Tyson Chandler looked unstoppable on that PnR with Lin back in NY....I agree that Howard's arrival can't do anything but benefit Lin. I don't remeber exactly, but I think he averaged something like 16 or 17 turnovers per game last season, and at least 8 had to do with Asik, a number which I expect to decrease at least to 2 given that Howard can catch a ball. It's imperative to sell Dwight on embracing playing PnR again like he did in Orlando.

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    You sounded like a locker room speaker!

    You are very spot on about the turnovers. At times I can remember going crazy when Jlin would drive the lane (which was great!) and jump, subsequently throwing the ball somewhere hoping someone would be there. He did it all season long. It was like he wanted the defense to collapse so he could kick it out but he didn't know where or what the ball would be doing once he was in the lane.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I like what you are putting down bboley but what Lin needs to cut back on is turnovers and help neutralize opposing teams point guards. Lin should be able to make inroads against all the elite point guards in the West now that he has a year under his belt and 48 minutes of an elite defensive big backing him up. Lin has the most to gain by Dwight Howard joining the Rockets on both ends. If Jeremy Lin stays and succeeds it will be in large part thanks to the big guy. At this point maybe Lin's biggest asset is to partner up with Parsons as the good lockerroom guys that keep the team grounded to compliment the two superstars.

    (How great does that sound, we got two bonafide superstars!)
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    You all are putting way too much pressure on the little guy. I don't think Lin needs to score anymore. Last year he definitely needed to put points on the board but not anymore. As long as he can give us that 7 assists and 12 points maybe a three a game im game.

    Lin - 12/7
    Harden - 23/5/5
    Parsons - 15/5/5
    Jones - 8/8
    Howard - 22/11/2

    Bench making up the difference. That to me is very reasonable within the confines of their past and abilities.

    you know I don't agree on Lin, but as for the stat lines t-jones will probably be closer to 12/8 and Howard closer to 20/14/2

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    You all are putting way too much pressure on the little guy. I don't think Lin needs to score anymore. Last year he definitely needed to put points on the board but not anymore. As long as he can give us that 7 assists and 12 points maybe a three a game im game.

    Lin - 12/7
    Harden - 23/5/5
    Parsons - 15/5/5
    Jones - 8/8
    Howard - 22/11/2

    Bench making up the difference. That to me is very reasonable within the confines of their past and abilities.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago The problem with the stats from 94/95 was Drexler was brought in around the trade deadline. So the rest of the players numbers are inflated. They went down after Drexler arrived.
  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago Completely agree. No need to go after big fish anymore. With harden and howard, players don't need to put up all star numbers. Parsons may avg a bit more than that prediction. They just need solid play. Nothing herculean.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    You guys got me to thinking so I went and checked out the '94-'95 roster. The Olajuwon/Drexler combo is close enough to Howard/Harden in my book. Check out the per game stats for the supporting cast...

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    After the two "stars" the scoring load gets split pretty evenly across the board. Look at Kenny Smith. His scoring avg had declined over the past 4 seasons down from 17 ppg. Yet, his PER was the third best of his career and he posted a killer .640 TS%.

    I think we will need to remember this as a reference for next season. We need guys like Parsons, Lin, Garcia, PF-X, etc. to be efficient--and they should be as defenses focus on stopping Howard and Harden. With solid backups behind Lin, Parsons (Garcia), and two PFs vying for the starter's role I think we'll see more reasonable splits in playing time which will only add to the "watering down" of each player's stats.

    Would it be so bad for this to happen?

    Lin: 12 & 8 assists

    Parsons: 12 & 4 assists & 7 rebs

    Garcia: 10 & 6 rebs

    Bev: 8 & 3 assists & 5 rebs

    Jones & DMO (combined): 18 & 12 rebs

    This still leaves James Anderson, Greg Smith, and Omer....what are they going to contribute? I'm unsure as their role is unclear to me.

    Still, figuring about 26 a night for Dwight and about 21 a night for James doesn't seem unreasonable.

    So, that's 60 points from role players and another 47 from the stars (107 total)...and I don't feel like my estimates are very high...maybe shave a few off of Garcia, and 1-2 off of Lin and Parsons....either way---we're going to score and it should be pretty well balanced.

    Defensively, I think (given our pace) that somewhere between 96-98 points a night is a fair estimate.

    Talking upgrades at this point does seem moot when looking at things in context. We have a squad more than capable of producing everything we need on both ends of the floor with the flexibility to go big, small, or whatever. Four 3 pt. shooters around Dwight? No problem. Dwight, Asik, D-Mo, Parsons, and Harden/Lin for a crazy tall line-up? No problem. I could go on, but the point is clear....this roster is awesome and Lin fills his role as passive-shooting-sometimes-run-the-show-PG perfectly. So what if he's over-paid....Parsons is underpaid...and so is Bev....Morey did this and it will all work out fine.

    Looking at the Rockets roster as a whole entity I see nothing wrong with it. It is isolating Lin amongst his peers that creates all this hullabaloo. The good news is we're not playing 1 on 1. Lin will do great next year--maybe not in filling the stat sheet--but in fulfilling his role on this team I have no doubt we will get our $8.3M worth.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Lol that's y ur my Boy..atleast you make some sense with your hating of Lin..but for real bro what do u think Lin will do next year..I really want to here your opinion..you and I agree on everything else..I want to see how far we are from apart on this

    17 & 8......Lin isn't a terrible player.......just not a good fit with us. if he goes to a team that will allow him to control the ball more often than not he will average 17 & 8..........if he stays here 13 and 7 maybe

  • Dan G says 1 YEAR ago

    Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil next season and a whopping 15 mil his final season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?

  • Dan G says 1 YEAR ago

    That's some of the craziness I have been talking bout..just stright disrespectful toward your own player..I still love that none of your disrespectful Lin talkers are not brave enough to say what he will average next year..can 1 of you PLEASE say what you think Lin will average next year as a starter..I have been on record saying he will get 17p9a a game next year..so please step up and stop saying he is a 3rd string player and say what he will average next year PLEASE!!!!!

    I'm not really in the category of "disrespectful Lin talkers" but I am in the camp that Lin is overrated, so I'll give a prediction. With the addition of Howard, if Lin is on our team the whole season (big IF) I predict Lin's scoring will stay right around last season's average of 13.4 +/- a point. He did finish strong last season but with Howard and Harden commanding the ball so much, other peeps' scoring is going to suffer. I think the same thing goes for Chandler Parsons. I do think Lin's assist numbers should go up though and I'm hoping it will be in the 8 range.

    So to sum up for Lin my prediction will be 12-14 PPG to go along with 8 APG.

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago the risk at this point is trying to do too much. the rockets and the fans have been desperate for some time. harden is here. howard is here. maybe constantly thinking superstar upgrades need to be evaluated.

    the rockets need to practice as a team more than anything. give lin a chance to see if he has improved. if it's the same as last year, then ship him by the deadline or next year. asik is tougher cause he apparently wants out although id like to see how it plays out.

    also. quality role players. at this point it is a bigger deal to find role players than to find another star. role players are big in the playoffs. the stars do not, and will not be able to do everything. think horry, ellie.
  • bryan22583 says 1 YEAR ago

    Loved that article Brayn..I want it noted that his first trade was my fav as well with the Kings..an he even had the clevland trade as well..I would love Bosh on the team he is already good at being third option..he can def Pf an space the floor..would work great for both teams but don't see Lebron on board for that..and I agree with the article that Morey will move Asik is just waiting on the best option..and I really believe that there is really good deals to be had..also though I agree that Portland and Miiny won't just give up their players..at the deadline if they are not in the race for a good playoff spot they will look to deal..which is y Morey might wait..I really believe all of those players including Bosh might get moved at he deadline..and we all know Morey loves to steal great players from teams looking to move them..really really excited to see what Mory decidedly to do..I know it's going to be great

    Glad you liked it…it's an up and coming site (probably more coming than up at this point). I think there's definitely a deal to be had with Sacramento. They're reshuffling the roster with new ownership at the helm, and even though it was a terrible team, there's lots to like in terms of individual talent. Rockets could do much worse than something like J. Thompson (super underrated) and Marcus Thornton as a sixth man. Not sure that Heat are quite ready to move Bosh (I would be…not a great fit in Miami, although that's a hard statement to defend given a second consecutive ring, but would be amazing next to Howard). If they are, Asik would go a long way towards solving their rebounding issues. We shall see, definitely will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago


    he will average 17and 8 for someone else :lol:


    Lol that's y ur my Boy..atleast you make some sense with your hating of Lin..but for real bro what do u think Lin will do next year..I really want to here your opinion..you and I agree on everything else..I want to see how far we are from apart on this
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Ok..lol u think he will do that much worse then he did last year....ok...his Per was 15 which is the league average..make sure to be around after the season starts..im pretty sure your going to look real bad LOL...Anyone else?..any other "fans" brave enough to give us Lin's numbers as a starter

    he will average 17and 8 for someone else :lol:

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Ok..lol u think he will do that much worse then he did last year....ok...his Per was 15 which is the league average..make sure to be around after the season starts..im pretty sure your going to look real bad LOL...Anyone else?..any other "fans" brave enough to give us Lin's numbers as a starter
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Lol. I could see those numbers if he has a reduced role but not the PER.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago 10 and 7 with a PER of 12.5. While giving up a PER of 17.5 to other PGs.
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago


    He is a third string PG that should be making the minimum........Not sure how to respond to that.


    That's some of the craziness I have been talking bout..just stright disrespectful toward your own player..I still love that none of your disrespectful Lin talkers are not brave enough to say what he will average next year..can 1 of you PLEASE say what you think Lin will average next year as a starter..I have been on record saying he will get 17p9a a game next year..so please step up and stop saying he is a 3rd string player and say what he will average next year PLEASE!!!!!
  • bearkat414 says 1 YEAR ago

    Why would we not keep both Lin and Asik this year while the contracts are still manageable. Asik is a bargain, lin might have been over paid...Morey's odds are 50/50. If Asik can play effective back up, why not sit until a time comes that we could actually get someone who would make more than a marginal impact on the team. If he will play along we will all win, including him. Not the biggest Lin fan, but agree with the sentiments of who could we get that is any better for the price required. If he could just dribble the ball lower a little more naturally. I mean he's got to be pretty smart I would assume, so maybe some of the poor decisions will abate.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    He is a third string PG that should be making the minimum........Not sure how to respond to that.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    Most of the pro-Lin and anti-Lin debate has been solid debating. But bringing up the fact that he couldn't get a D-1 scholarship has no bearing on his life as an NBA player. If you want to say 13/6 isn't good enough, that's one thing, but some of your arguments are nonsense.


    It shows that he is not a good enough athlete to get one of the 3000+ scholarships offered by D-1 coaches. It has a lot of bearing as to why people say he isn't a good defender (better athletes). He is a decent enough basketball player to be in the league, but should be the Rockets third PG making the minimum. Like someone told me about stats, somebody as to accrue them considering the minutes he played 13/6 was below average.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    It's interesting to note that Greg Smith is getting lost in the shuffle here. I still think that guy has great potential as a bruising post player. I think having Dwight here can help him advance that as they have similar bodies and skills (Smith may be more skilled). I think there would be teams interested in his services if the ROX think DMO and TJONES are the guys....that gives us a little more trade bait.

    Smith is more skilled than Howard??? That says a lot about Howard, doesn't it?

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    It's interesting to note that Greg Smith is getting lost in the shuffle here. I still think that guy has great potential as a bruising post player. I think having Dwight here can help him advance that as they have similar bodies and skills (Smith may be more skilled). I think there would be teams interested in his services if the ROX think DMO and TJONES are the guys....that gives us a little more trade bait.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    Most of the pro-Lin and anti-Lin debate has been solid debating. But bringing up the fact that he couldn't get a D-1 scholarship has no bearing on his life as an NBA player. If you want to say 13/6 isn't good enough, that's one thing, but some of your arguments are nonsense.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Loved that article Brayn..I want it noted that his first trade was my fav as well with the Kings..an he even had the clevland trade as well..I would love Bosh on the team he is already good at being third option..he can def Pf an space the floor..would work great for both teams but don't see Lebron on board for that..and I agree with the article that Morey will move Asik is just waiting on the best option..and I really believe that there is really good deals to be had..also though I agree that Portland and Miiny won't just give up their players..at the deadline if they are not in the race for a good playoff spot they will look to deal..which is y Morey might wait..I really believe all of those players including Bosh might get moved at he deadline..and we all know Morey loves to steal great players from teams looking to move them..really really excited to see what Mory decidedly to do..I know it's going to be great
  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago

    In regards of our PF situation, I still think we should stand pat unless we can sign a top 10 PF. However I am not as high on DMo or Tjones as many of you guys are. If you are already as good as some of you guys think they might be, then they would already have solidified their positions and taken the next step the previous season when the door was so wide open that Smith ended up playing there at the end. If they can't beat Greg Smith how can you envision that they will be a J Smith lite etc.

  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago

    PG is defiantly needed of an upgrade before PF. Jones is gonna lock down the spot for the next decade. PG is manned by an undrafted no D-1 scholarship offered player who had a great 2 weeks when he was the only player on the team touching the ball.

    Just because you are undrafted doesn't mean you are not worth anything. There has been several players that has been undrafted that has become a good nba player. In regards of Linsanity era of the two weeks, something I believe Lin will never reach those heights again. People say it was a fluke and all the stars did align for him those two weeks, but he had the best first 5 games and 2 weeks as a starter since the NBA/ABA merger, which says that he has some talent and was vastly underrated due to poor scouting and somewhat race related. Even after those two weeks,his numbers has been around 15 and 7. No where near all star level play or numbers but definitely a nba players.

    I'm not a huge fan of Lin and I rank him around 20-25 on the PG chart of starters, but in terms of fit and availability he is probably our best bet now. I feel like the haters sometimes don't like him because of the stanch Lin supporters who does go overboard with praise, the people who critize him goes the opposite side.

    In terms of value of his contract, No he is not worth a 8.3 cap hit but that's not his fault, it would be Morey who offered that contract, and I don't blame him either because before offering the Poison pill contracts for Asik and Lin, we didn't know we would get Harden and due to the play of all our 3 signings we impressed Howard enough to join us. As morey said in an interview in terms of most wins added Lin was 3rd ahead of Parsons and behind Asik and Harden. So he did add value. Its not a big leap of fate to let Lin playout this season and his value is low atm, but even if he doesn't improve that much he still holds value in year 3 because an expiring contract is an asset today with luxury tax implications for teams.

    Letting him play year 2 and wait and see if he will improve or not will not kill us. We can either trade him as an expiring or for go for 2014 FA PG signings. If he succeeds then its great and as Johnny said, I think if it does work out Lin will sign a more cap friendly contract in 2015. If it doesn't we get cap space or we trade that cap space. We will have Howard and Harden under contract for 4 more years together and Parsons we have the bird rights. So its not like we have to WIN this year. Better to not change the roster too much and kill the team chemistry.

  • bryan22583 says 1 YEAR ago

    You're spot on in your analysis that Lin and Asik present serious issues for the Rockets. (While I'm no huge Lin fan, I think he's the far lesser concern). If Dwight couldn't play with Pau, how's he going to play with a big man with far less range and not even half the skill set? I think Houston has no choice but to move him. The question then becomes, what can you get for Omer Asik? He's a young, still developing, but already top 5-10 center in the league. Those don't grow on trees. But but but, he's due $15M year after this, which is probably too much for such a limited offensive player.

    I suppose this is a long way of saying that I think the trade targets you threw out there are real long-shots. I just can't foresee a team giving up a star like Love or Aldridge for a player who's very unlikely to develop into an all-star. Ryan Anderson strikes me as a much more realistic possibility. Players like that - non stars but better than your avg. starter - may be the best Morey can do. I do think that Houston badly needs to bolster the PF spot with either a veteran or a younger guy with potential who could thrive alongside Dwight. To me this means getting someone who can both run and stretch the floor. A few names that come to mind and seem gettable include: (1) Tristian Thompson, (2) Thaddeus Young (3) Jeff Green, and (4) Derek Williams. Save perhaps Thompson who I think is well-regarded, those packages would probably need to be rounded out with either a draft pick or a legit role player. A few other possible targets in this "top 3 Asik trade destinations" article:

    http://leaguebeats.com/2013/07/08/we-got-dwight-now-what-3-suitors-for-omer-asik/

    Anyway, that's just my two cents. As long as P. Bev develops a bit more, I think J. Lin won't be too much of a liability.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Man guys I have some trades i am falling in love with..I also think we should move Asik now..love Jimmer, I really want him on thiS team next year don't care how they get it done..I really like Anderson and Rivers for Asik and Dmo..gives us a lot of shooting and space..starting to like him going to clevland for Verajao and maybe Cj Miles..he is said to be coming back strong and will recover..he gives us a great energy guy now that reb great and can def Pf well..and more importantly he has a 10 mil team option next year were we can clear great space to add to this team next year..the kings have so many redundant players on that team..would love a Jimmer/Thornton and Jason Thompson for Asik and Dmo..All three of those trades really helps our team and doesn't hurt our future..would be really excited to have either!!!
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Love the debate so far..great points..I feel I should say like my boy Jonny that I am not madly in love with Lin..I just believe that the hating and wanting him moved has gotten out of hand..what's fun is just heard Jimmers name today on a podcast and thought he would be perfect on this roster off be bench..we need a Guard that can handle the ball and shoot off the bench..don't know what we would have to give up but would LOVE him on this team..like I would give up a 2016 first round pick for him..Tjones hasn't even won the starting job this year so 10 years might be a lil strong..there are some that say that Dmo is rdy to play in the nba now after adding some weight to his 7 ft..I say we need the best def player starting on this team..all of the great teams in the west have really good Pf scorers..we slow them down they will not be able to compete with us this year..if we go the Rondo route I want bass and Crawford..gives us the scorer off the bench and def Pf..I agree that rondo can't shoot well but the def will be outstanding..Harden would be our worse def player on that team..nobody would score more then 90..but for real I really want Jimmer on this team..we need to start a petition or something to get Morey on board..like all the good players on the Kings he will be much better on a great team with a defined role
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    PG is defiantly needed of an upgrade before PF. Jones is gonna lock down the spot for the next decade. PG is manned by an undrafted no D-1 scholarship offered player who had a great 2 weeks when he was the only player on the team touching the ball.

    true

    Agreed. If we plan to use Harden differently then I could be swayed some, but would that be to our advantage. If we wanted a spot up shooter we should have gone after Redick. I think we are lost in position names and neglecting usage. Playing next to Harden, we need a spot-up shooter who can drive and dish. Would bringing in Rondo (and giving up Lin, Asik, and one of our PF's) make us collectively better? I am skeptical on this.

    NO to rondo. we don't need his ball hoggin ways, especially with attitude on top. I agree we need a shooter

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    Set aside Hate-Lin, Love-Lin contest:

    - which position need upgrade? PF or PG
    - Availability of better PF or PG

    Like thjohnnygold said, we don't have any better upgrade than Lin. Rondo? Are we talking about fist fight between Harden, Howard, and Rondo on how ball should be playing through who. Agreed that Rondo is much better player but he doesn't fit with us unless Harden become spot-up shooter.


    PG is defiantly needed of an upgrade before PF. Jones is gonna lock down the spot for the next decade. PG is manned by an undrafted no D-1 scholarship offered player who had a great 2 weeks when he was the only player on the team touching the ball.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Agreed. If we plan to use Harden differently then I could be swayed some, but would that be to our advantage. If we wanted a spot up shooter we should have gone after Redick. I think we are lost in position names and neglecting usage. Playing next to Harden, we need a spot-up shooter who can drive and dish. Would bringing in Rondo (and giving up Lin, Asik, and one of our PF's) make us collectively better? I am skeptical on this.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    idea?

    celtics rebuilding right

    JLin+Asik+2 to 3 fillers(either dmo or jones not both, anderson etc)

    I do understand what you want. Or maybe that is what Morey wants. But I am sure rebuilding team doesn't want Asik and Lin contracts for sure.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    Set aside Hate-Lin, Love-Lin contest:

    - which position need upgrade? PF or PG

    - Availability of better PF or PG

    Like thjohnnygold said, we don't have any better upgrade than Lin. Rondo? Are we talking about fist fight between Harden, Howard, and Rondo on how ball should be playing through who. Agreed that Rondo is much better player but he doesn't fit with us unless Harden become spot-up shooter.

  • coachwood says 1 YEAR ago

    idea?

    celtics rebuilding right

    JLin+Asik+2 to 3 fillers(either dmo or jones not both, anderson etc)

    for

    Rondo+Olynyk+Iverson

    rondo/bev/canaan

    harden/garcia

    parsons/casspi

    jones or dmo/olynyk

    howard/iverson

    unlikely but with morey and ainge, plus mchales talking power... u never know

  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago

    Vasquez would be terrible on this team. I see him as a poor man's Rondo (albeit much taller). He can't shoot at all, and he has a lot of assist, but is a selfish passer. He, like Rondo, doesn't seem to enjoy being the pass before the assist. I would not mind Jimmer off the bench. It never hurts to have more 3 point shooters on a team w/ Harden and Howard. He's actually a decent fit next to Harden because he doesn't need the ball. Only as a bench player though. The reports were that Lin was not available unless they were receiving another starting PG in return, and if we are trading one for one the chances of the new PG being much better seems low.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Let me start by reminding that I am not some starry-eyed Lin devotee that thinks he hung the moon and is infallible. I am looking at this as a Rockets fan--plain and simple....

    I get the calls for upgrading the PG position--it is always good to be open minded about upgrading the team. What I don't get is what anyone thinks is actually going to be better. For those who think Bev is the answer--do consider the shift in USG% over the course of an entire season plus better scouting reports and the necessary shift in defensive energy to be able to play starters minutes throughout the season. Further, Bev is a SG with good handles and a decent floor general, but he is not a player capable of running an offense--his per 36 numbers are not as good as Lin's and those extrapolations are often better than reality for high-energy reserves.

    Here is a list of the league's PGs

    Bearing in mind the salary cap and who is actually available (meaning their team would be willing to part with the PG we want) I can't see a single player that is an obvious upgrade at this time. Most of the best PG's are either entrenched on their teams (like Tony Parker, CP3, Derrick Rose, etc.) or are on rookie contracts and are cornerstone pieces for their franchises (Kyrie, Wall, etc.).

    After that we have to look at fit. I think most agree that a strong spot-up shooter with above average defense that can create off the dribble and play some pick n roll while gladly deferring to Harden and Howard is the ideal. Funny how much that sounds like Lin (presuming his shooting stroke resembles the second half of last season or better)...

    Before anyone says Goran Dragic--I don't think so. They are nearly identical players and the loss in team chemistry would not justify that exchange. Phoenix only makes that trade if we include other assets--not a good deal. Based on their per 36 numbers from basketball-reference.com, the difference is 1 point and 1 assist per game extra for Dragic, but with a higher usg%. Lin also sports a better 3 pt.% for the season. To me that is a wash.

    Are we talking Alexey Shved, Jimmer Fredette, Mo WIlliams, etc. to replace Lin? (Actually, Jimmer is intriguing....but I still think Lin's overall package is better.) Is Greivis Vasquez available? If so, what's the price tag on that? Does New Orleans make that trade?

    I think Lin is going to do very well this year with so much talent around him. Yes, his $8.3M cap hit is a little higher than people would like but it's not that far out of line and there is a solid chance he re-signs for a more palatable amount once that contract expires.

    I honestly expect to see him flirting with 40% 3pt., and a solid 15 pts, 8 assists per game with a better assist/turnover ratio. I just don't see a better fit that's available. Maybe Canaan or Bev can take the starting role from him in time, but for now it appears to be his spot.

    As for the rest of the team....I hope they are preaching strong defense across the board, but especially to the PF's. I'd be content if they scored zero points a game as long as they play strong D and clean the glass like champs. Parsons, Harden, Howard, and Lin will provide the bulk of the scoring load followed by Bev, Garcia, and Asik.

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    Honestly, I wish we had a better pg but on the other hand, our point guard isn't a pain in the arse. The kid works hard, shuts his mouth and is very very coachable. ie Mario Chalmers, George Hill both on winning basketball teams.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I agree with the article that Lin and Asik's days are numbered unless they can change their games to compliment the pillars of this franchise, Howard and Harden. Asik is a big who is good value considering the going rate for bigs these days as opposed to Lin who almost seems overpaid relative to league point guards of similar production. Of course with the new CBA some of these contracts will be less excessive in the future. My hope is that in about a year both get moved for an All Star caliber player.
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago



    I can see Asik Will possibly cause some problems because he is also a center and doesn\'t want to play PF. But I just don\'t understand why you have to move Lin away sine he us the only starting PG in Rockets? Lin has proved a lot in the past year that he could play with Harden unless Harden has problems with him. Lin played excellent PnR with center before and he will be very good with Howard. Why Rockets wants Lin leave and Beverly to play? Beverly only played some sparks and he is definately not a starting PG, let alone a PnR PG. If Rockets wants to move somebody, you should move Asik not Lin. That\'s ridiculous thing to do. Lin helped Rockets into playoffs and why you want to trade him when you want chip? So far we haven\'t seen Howard played with anybody. Who knows whether it\'s good or not. Look at Lakers, five stars there but did nothing. Please don\'t brag anything before you

    achieve something.

    Anything.

    Amen bro
    Your Preaching to the Choir..and I believe Morey is part of that choir as well..Lin won't be moved for anything other then a upgrade at Pg..and hopefully we can get Asik to calm down and won't move him til the deadline..I want to add a Sg that can create shots and a def PF, but other then that I love the team the way it is..Tjones and Bev/Canaan can fell those roles if need be..I know the roster as is can compete for a chip..no need messing with it unless its a major upgrade or Asik refuses to play 10-17min a game
  • rocketsfan says 1 YEAR ago

    I can see Asik Will possibly cause some problems because he is also a center and doesn\'t want to play PF. But I just don\'t understand why you have to move Lin away sine he us the only starting PG in Rockets? Lin has proved a lot in the past year that he could play with Harden unless Harden has problems with him. Lin played excellent PnR with center before and he will be very good with Howard. Why Rockets wants Lin leave and Beverly to play? Beverly only played some sparks and he is definately not a starting PG, let alone a PnR PG. If Rockets wants to move somebody, you should move Asik not Lin. That\'s ridiculous thing to do. Lin helped Rockets into playoffs and why you want to trade him when you want chip? So far we haven\'t seen Howard played with anybody. Who knows whether it\'s good or not. Look at Lakers, five stars there but did nothing. Please don\'t brag anything before you

    achieve something.

    Anything.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Agree some of the best writing is on Red 94(big fan of Rahat)..also what do we need to rush for we don't even know if Lin and Asik won't work..we all love having a center for 48 min every game..and Lin already adjusted his game to fit with Harden..now he can really focus on passing(which he does great)..and work on hitting shots(close to 40% from three sec half of the season)..I fully believe with some good sets and good execution we can be top five off and def this year with the team we have..need a decent step foward from TJones/Monta and Lin..which is not out of he question..wait til we start wining games and they will knocking at our door begging for Lin and Asik..also another point no one is having a losing season yet..letPortlnad and Minn. start losing a bunch of games we will hear that the trades we want are a lot easier to make..we will have a lot more options waiting til start of the season/trade deadline
  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    [Forrest, you are the best Red94 writer. You always use your brain instead of emotion.>

    In NBA, everybody wants to win now. But did Melo, CP3, Durant win? Did superstars pairing Durant-Westbrook, Melo-Stud, CP3- Blake win? Or how badly Kobe-Howard-Gasol-Nash fail?

    How well Harden-Howard tandem will play? We don\'t know for sure.

    Snatching Howard is good but we can\'t afford to change too much. Unless we get stretch 4 with good shooting, we should be playing TJ, D-Mo a bit and see how should we tweak. Same at PG position. We must be patient. But patient is a word nobody wanted to hear anymore.

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