Even more Westbrook induced thoughts….

  • Here’s our take at the mothership on the ramifications of this injury.
  • I’m failing to understand how and why people are even making the Harden trade a relevant issue, as if this injury is some point for re-evaluation.  Setting aside the fact that this couldn’t have been foreseen, it’s not like the Thunder with Harden and without Westbrook–had they not made the trade–would have beaten the Heat.  They needed all three, or the trade return from Harden, to stand a chance.
  • This becomes even more James Harden’s moment now.  The Thunder, essentially, chose Westbrook over Harden.  They now have neither and only Kevin Durant.  It’s Harden’s opportunity to go head to head with Durant as the sole megastars on each team.  If he wants to really prove his place in the elite stratosphere, Harden has to win this series now.
  • The game plan obviously changes now.  While you’ll see it in stints, just to mix things up, there probably won’t be incredibly long stretches of zone.  Zone is typically used as an equalizer when a team faces a talent disadvantage.  With the playing field more leveled, and no Westbrook to induce into bad decisions, I think you’ll see more man to man than you would have had this injury not occurred.  But the Rockets must double Durant and force others to hit open jumpers.  You cannot allow Kevin Durant to beat you.

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  • 2016Champions says 3 days ago

    Agreed.

  • thejohnnygold says 4 days ago

    Durant may find his way into Lebron's stratosphere. To make a lame movie comparison, Lebron had his Neo from the Matrix moment where. Morpheus told him that when the time comes, he won't have to dodge bullets....Sometime last year, he found that place and only time will steal that from him. Durant can get there, but is not there yet. He is still improving his game (amazingly) with improved defense, efficiency, and leadership. Just wait until he develops a killer passing game.

    Back to the point, Harden absolutely needs to play well in this series. I don't think he has to win it. But we need to prove to ourselves, and potential free agents, that we can hang with the big boys.

  • LashtonBryth says 4 days ago

    Ok? Every single expert I've ever read except Ric Bucher says that Kevin Durant is the 2nd best player in basketball. His team went to the finals last season and won 60 games this season. He finished this season shooting 51% from the field, 41.6% from the 3 point line, and 90.5% from the foul line while scoring 28.1 ppg and barely missing out on his 4th straight scoring title. To call someone overrated means you have to be able to point to something other people think he does well that you do not. His PER was 28.35 (2nd, almost 2 points ahead of Chris Paul), his Estimated Wins added was 27.7, almost 9 ahead of 3rd place Kobe Bryant, and his Value Added was 830.8, about 275 points ahead of 3rd place Kobe Bryant. All three of these player measurements put Durant heads and shoulders above everyone except LeBron James, and Durant's team had the most wins in the Western Conference.

    Regardless of what you might think about Durant, he is a better player than Harden and he has better teammates than Harden.

  • 2016Champions says 4 days ago

    I'ts amusing, but not silly. I think Durant is a little overrated in the sense that people think he's up there in the same stratosphere as Lebron, truth is, Lebron is on a level of his own. Durant is on the same stratosphere as Chris Paul, Parker, Wade, Dwight, Westbrook ect. and I think Harden could enter that same stratosphere if he has a monster series while stepping up his defense.

  • LashtonBryth says 4 days ago

    New post: Even more Westbrook induced thoughts....
    By: rahat huq


    • This becomes even more James Harden's moment now. The Thunder, essentially, chose Westbrook over Harden. They now have neither and only Kevin Durant. It's Harden's opportunity to go head to head with Durant as the sole megastars on each team. If he wants to really prove his place in the elite stratosphere, Harden has to win this series now.


    That is a silly comment. The Thunder have a 2-0 lead, the best player in this series (and 2nd best in the entire NBA), and a team with a better supporting cast even without Westbrook. OKC without Westbrook would be favored to beat any Western Conference team if you spotted OKC a 2-0 lead, so expecting the results of this series to be some sort of referendum of Harden is amusing.

  • thejohnnygold says 4 days ago

    WTF??????????????????

    He's improved offensively, but that sounds like you're CRAZY.

    Check out this graphic for Serge Ibaka's 2013 season:

    ibaka.JPG

    Edit: citation

  • bboley24 says 4 days ago

    Kevin.... my friend... welcome to the 90s... here is your y2k paper weight... the Smith/TRob comment was HILARIOUS and yet so true.

  • 2016Champions says 4 days ago

    Ibaka is one of the best mid-range shooting bigs in the league, that's actually not crazy hyperbole at all. As you can see here he shoots 47% from 16-23ft, not much different to David West's 46%, and for further contrast the league average from that range is 38%.

    We had Harden guarding Ibaka last game which is something I'm sure they weren't prepared for, but they will be prepared for it from here on out. Ibaka scoring 20+ is a very realistic possibility.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 4 days ago

    WTF??????????????????

    He's improved offensively, but that sounds like you're CRAZY.

  • thejohnnygold says 4 days ago

    Don't count out Ibaka's offense either...offensively, he is up there with Bosh, Aldridge, and West with his mid-range game. Add to that his superior athleticism (which he can use to get easy buckets inside) and we could easily see a 20+ point game from Serge.

  • Red94 says 4 days ago New post: Even more Westbrook induced thoughts....
    By: rahat huq


    • Here's our take at the mothership on the ramifications of this injury.

    • I'm failing to understand how and why people are even making the Harden trade a relevant issue, as if this injury is some point for re-evaluation.  Setting aside the fact that this couldn't have been foreseen, it's not like the Thunder with Harden and without Westbrook--had they not made the trade--would have beaten the Heat.  They needed all three, or the trade return from Harden, to stand a chance.

    • This becomes even more James Harden's moment now.  The Thunder, essentially, chose Westbrook over Harden.  They now have neither and only Kevin Durant.  It's Harden's opportunity to go head to head with Durant as the sole megastars on each team.  If he wants to really prove his place in the elite stratosphere, Harden has to win this series now.

    • The game plan obviously changes now.  While you'll see it in stints, just to mix things up, there probably won't be incredibly long stretches of zone.  Zone is typically used as an equalizer when a team faces a talent disadvantage.  With the playing field more leveled, and no Westbrook to induce into bad decisions, I think you'll see more man to man than you would have had this injury not occurred.  But the Rockets must double Durant and force others to hit open jumpers.  You cannot allow Kevin Durant to beat you.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 4 days ago

    Why not shorten that to Beverley and James. There comes a point where acronyms are silly.

  • 2016Champions says 4 days ago

    lol

  • thejohnnygold says 4 days ago

    Was just out driving and listening to some nationally syndicated sports talk radio...might have been Jay Mohr....they were talking about the play and basically called out the entire Rockets organization--fans and all--for having our (paraphrased) rookie scrub make a dirty play and ruining the Thunder's chances and the playoffs. I was a little surprised at the colorful bias there, but I guess we are biased too. For us, knowing how Beverley plays we can easily see that he was doing what he does and it wasn't dirty....but the millions of people who don't will easily have their opinions swayed. Looks like we've got our bad boy :)

    Question? Can we start calling a back court combo of Patrick Beverley and James Harden a "PB&J"? :rolleyes:

  • Richards says 4 days ago

    Well at least OK will play hard-nose, no-non-sense, very physical game especially against Bev for sure.

  • feelingsupersonic says 4 days ago

    It will be interesting to see how the Thunder players respond because there really is no need for retaliation considering the play and how it occurred but if they do what I am really interested is to see how the Rocket players respond.

  • feelingsupersonic says 4 days ago

    It will be interesting to see how the Thunder players respond because there really is no need for retaliation considering the play and how it occurred but if they do what I am really interested is to see how the Rocket players respond.

  • Rahat Huq says 4 days ago

    http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/page/5-on-5-130426-Westbrook/oklahoma-city-thunder-russell-westbrook

  • kevingan says 4 days ago

    Of course, to be totally honest, Willis Reed was not exactly a choirboy....especially against the bigger centers. Ahem!

  • kevingan says 4 days ago

    OKC and Westbrook are crybabies where they feel people should handle them with kids glove. NBA is a man's sport so people who don't want contact probably should play bad midden to touch football.

    Bev plays the game right and many could learn a thing or two by watching his game.

    I agree that Westbrook acted like a crybaby, and also showed extremely poor sportsmanship when Beverly offered his hand and he swatted it away: no class whatsoever. I also love Bev's hustle, which is a totally clean approach to the game. For my money, though, there's too much thuggishness in bball: the Celtics really instituted that (looking at you too, Kevin McHale!), and the Pistons and the Riley Knicks made it into a way of life. Of course, I'm spoiled: my first team was the '69 Knicks, so I have no interest in thug play.

    Kade, you're forgetting that we also have the WNBA--and they play great basketball!

  • Kade says 4 days ago

    As a curiosity, just checked the thunders' sites and fans are very very angry. Bev played usual very aggressive game, but they saw as a dirty job.

    Watch out, thunders will foul very hard on Bev tomorrow. And he would be abused if we take the series back to OKC.

    OKC and Westbrook are crybabies where they feel people should handle them with kids glove. NBA is a man's sport so people who don't want contact probably should play bad midden to touch football.

    Bev plays the game right and many could learn a thing or two by watching his game.

  • Kade says 4 days ago

    patrick beverley's security, if there is a game 5, is a huge concern. i mean this seriously.

    Have you seen the fans in OKC? Bev is a VERY tough NY kid, probably the one guy nobody would mess with.

  • Kade says 4 days ago

    I second that.

    Its kind of bittersweet, if we somehow wins this series, it will be we beat them because Bev "injured" him.

    so what? That's like when people say the two Rocket's championships really don't count because Jordan left to play baseball.

    I'll take a win and it's not as if OKC still doesn't have the best player in the series.

  • sli says 4 days ago

    I would have been irate too if it were me. Doesn't necessarily mean that I think it was a dirty play. Anyone crashing into my knee in a controlled way would definitely get me cursing him as a stupid fool at a minimum.
  • Richards says 4 days ago

    As a curiosity, just checked the thunders' sites and fans are very very angry. Bev played usual very aggressive game, but they saw as a dirty job.

    Watch out, thunders will foul very hard on Bev tomorrow. And he would be abused if we take the series back to OKC.

  • 2016Champions says 4 days ago

    This changes everything. I think Westbrook helps the Thunder way more than many people realize, even though he's inefficient he puts a ton of pressure on defenses and arguably helps the Thunder just as much as Harden helps the Rockets.

    The Thunder still have alot of weapons, but so do we. They have a 2 game advantage, but we can still win this!

  • bob schmidt says 4 days ago

    I suspect that the remaining games in this series will be officiated so closely that any hint of retaliation by any player for OKC would result in suspension, or worse. Fouls will be plentiful as referees try to control the situation. That may be good news to the Rox as we feed from the free throw line.

    As to Westbrooks injury, I regret that it happened but that is as far as feeling bad for OKC goes for me. Champions overcome adversity, and this is their chance to step up and get it done. They still have a lot of weapons...

  • manmythlegend says 4 days ago

    I'm not one who automatically thinks Durant goes off for 40 a game now that Westbrook is out. If anything, this will allow the Rox to maybe double him more aggressively. I can see McHale being okay letting guys like Sefalosho(sp?), Ibaka, Martin and Jackson beat them as opposed to Durant going Hulk-Hogan (or John Cena for the modern day fans) on the Rox.

  • DrewinAbilene says 4 days ago

    Yeah, I agree that the hold on Parsons was the actual dirty play. Beverly accidentally hurt Westbrook, Perkins intentionally pulled Parsons away from a shooter in the final minute or so of a one possession game.

    Even with that said, and knowing that it gives us a glimmer of hope for the second round, I'm still not happy about him going down. Kills a lot of drama in the West, and certainly increases the chances of the Heat breezing through the play-offs to another championship. (Not that I'm against them winning, but more drama would be nice...)

  • Red94 says 4 days ago New post: Thoughts on the Westbrook injury
    By: rahat huq


    • As I type this, I actually have this same injury at the moment (in addition to a torn ACL).  Will be waiting until after I take the BAR in July to have surgery.  As I type this, I also am not a professional basketball player.

    • You feel awful for Westbrook and for the Thunder, in general, as they looked like they had a clear path straight to the Finals.  As Zach Lowe just tweeted, this really underscores the importance of 'luck' in winning a title.

    • While many Rockets fans are speculating upon the impact of this injury upon the series, as is natural, it sucks for success to come on the heels of someone else's misfortune.  For me, personally, these playoffs haven't felt the same without Kobe, as it is, but things will really feel diminished now with the Thunder missing their second option.  I was really looking forward to a Westbrook-Paul matchup.

    • For that aforementioned speculation: Yes, this obviously changes things quite considerably.  But I still do expect the Thunder to pull this series out in 5 or 6 - teams typically respond quite emotionally in response to events like these.  Durant will average 40/game the rest of the way and Reggie Jackson isn't exactly a total slouch.  Houston's chances have exponentially increased, but I'd still be shocked to see them win this series.

    • While Beverley's play on Westbrook may have caused the injury, describing said play as "dirty" is pure idiocy.  That was a routine play that almost every point guard in basketball commits.

    • With emotions running high, I fear for Beverley's safety in a Game 5, if there is one.  I mean that seriously.

  • Freebird says 4 days ago

    Will Jackson and Fisher be able to last an entire 48 against our guards? Where do they find the scoring to replace Westbrook's? I think they are going to move to a more dominant inside-out game. Posting up Ibaka and Perkins, and have them kick it out a bit more.

    I think we have a chance against that, but still, a rather small one. We might take all our home games now, though.

  • RollingWave says 4 days ago

    I hope this means the Rockets can at least win one, but boy, that's not a good development no matter how you dice it, I'm fairly sure Bev will now be on the Thunder's kill list for at least the next 5 years or something.

  • kevingan says 4 days ago

    I agree with Jeby--I've watched the play quite a few times, and it looks to me like Beverly had his usual intense focus on going for the ball, and didn't even see Westbrook start to call time out: W's left hand was down and back a bit, and might have been completely shielded from Bev's view. It's called an accident--and they happen when there's a miscommunication--W relaxed because he thought he was going to time out, Bev thought the ball was still in play.

    If you want to see a dirty play, how about Perkins grabbing and holding Chandler's wrist at the end of the game? What if he'd torn ligaments in Chandler's wrist, or even just caused a bad sprain, which could have affected his shot for the rest of the series?

    Rahat's right, though--Bev better watch his back, and his teammates better set good picks and block out. This is the part of sports I like the least: macho bullshit. It was an accident! But the posturing and the calls for "revenge" are going to be loud and long, not much doubt of that.

  • sircharles says 4 days ago

    this is huge. now we can just double durant and were good. series is ours to take.

  • RollingWave says 4 days ago

    Odds of second round is still very minimal. if it was 1/1 then it's not bad, but it's 2-0, we need to win 4 out of 5 here, 4 out of *5* . even in the most generous analysit the Thunders sans Westbrook is still slightly better than the Rockets.

  • feelingsupersonic says 4 days ago Let's talk about basketball. I am still not sure we can talk second round seriously but perhaps we can. As far as Beverley's play on Westbrook as far as I know no whistle had blown and if Westbrook had seen any tape on Beverley he would have known to not let up at any time.
  • Jeby says 4 days ago

    The one thing in Beverly's favor is that he injured Westbrook on a cheap/sneaky/opportunistic/incidental contact play, not on a dirty/flagrant/Bill Lambeer/intentional foul play. I think even Perkins would respect the difference there.

  • DrewinAbilene says 4 days ago

    Holy guacamole... Durant is going to be livid. I'm betting on 40+ points, if not 50+, from him.

    I hate to seem callous about the situation, but the second round seems like an achievable goal now. As long as Perkins doesn't take a metal chair to Harden in retaliation.

  • feelingsupersonic says 4 days ago This series just got a lot more interesting. Still though Jackson is no slouch and he is hungry as well. I wonder if Martin gets a significant increase in minutes.
  • Freebird says 4 days ago

    Smith and TRob. May as well use him for something.

  • blakecouey says 4 days ago Completely agree Rahat. Calling it, Kendrick Perkins is going to hurt Beverly. who is going to come to Beverlys defense on our side? Smith?
  • Rahat Huq says 4 days ago

    patrick beverley's security, if there is a game 5, is a huge concern. i mean this seriously.

  • thenit says 4 days ago

    I second that.

    Its kind of bittersweet, if we somehow wins this series, it will be we beat them because Bev "injured" him.

  • blakecouey says 4 days ago Just saw this. WOW.
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