TrueHoop round-table on four-team blockbuster

On Wednesday afternoon, the Houston Rockets, New Orleans Hornets, Indiana Pacers, and New Jersey Nets pulled off a four-team blockbuster, swapping several key contributors.

Rahat Huq of Red94, Ryan Schwan of Hornets247, Tim Donahue of 8 points, 9 seconds, and Sebastian Pruiti of Nets are Scorching got together to provide assessments of the outgoing players from their respective ballclubs.

Rahat Huq (Red94) on Trevor Ariza:

I’ve written a comprehensive series of essays on Trevor Ariza entitled ‘Assessing Ariza,’ evaluating his strengths, weaknesses, and player potential.  (Parts 1, 2, and 3)

In short, he’s an ideal role-player who thrives off the ball, spotting up or using his superior athleticism to slash to the basket.  Now having the benefit of playing next to Chris Paul, I expect Ariza to return to form from his playoff run with the Lakers – he really took off after the acquisition of Kevin Martin; Ariza is at his best playing next to dominant players.

If you’re hoping Trevor will grow into his physical gifts and emerge as a primary option, you’re going to be disappointed.  While a capable ball-handler against light pressure, he doesn’t have the handles to create for himself off the dribble.  He also has extremely poor footwork and body control.  Even worse, Ariza has an oddly inflated sense of entitlement–possibly due to his Lakers pedigree–leading him to force bad shots and make poor decisions; Ariza struggles when needing to think on the basketball court.

The issue of Ariza’s defense is a contentious one.  His reputation precedes him, but his is a reckless, instinctual approach, garnering him gaudy steals totals but often leaving his teammates scrambling to rotate after blown coverage.  Still, this manner can be conducive to forcing tempo if that’s your cup of tea.

All in all, assuming expectations remain reasonable, I think the Hornets will be very pleased next year with Trevor Ariza.  While his struggles with the Rockets are well documented, playing next to Chris Paul is a situation tailor-made for a player of Trevor’s skillset and abilities – in returning to his former role with the Lakers (next to a superstar guard), I think Trevor will really thrive.

Ryan Schwan (Hornets247) on Darren Collison:

After watching him for a season, I’m comfortable claiming that Darren Collison is the proud owner of the “fastest man in the NBA” title.   When he played, the Hornets pace increased by five posessions, as he exploded up court every chance he could.  Considering the heavy-footed players he was dragging with him up the court, it is a pretty amazing feat.

Collison started off his rookie season pretty rough, shooting poorly from deep, and struggling valiantly to figure out how to score over the faster, taller atheletes he met in the paint.  In fact, for the first month, a pick and roll run by Collison typically had very little going for it.  That all changed, however, when Chris Paul went down.  Given long minutes, constant coaching by Paul, and confidence that never seemed to waver, Collison started deploying a stutter step and mid-range pull up jumper that made him deadly on the pick and roll by the end of February.  His long-range shot, which was amazing in college, began to settle in, and soon he was deadly from three, both as a spot-up shooter, and as a guy who could pull up off the dribble and knock it down.

As a passer, Collison is excellent in the open court, solid at the pick and roll, but tends to struggle in the pick and pop.  He’s great at driving into the paint and laying the ball off to a big man for a dunk or finding the roller, but when he has to find the open men on the perimeter, he still struggles.  As a result, though he gets a lot of assists, he also gets a lot of turnovers.  He also has the tendency to be called for a carry once or twice a game, though that was fading by the end of last season.

Defensively is where Collison has his biggest problems.  He makes Allen Iverson look fat – and unlike mighty mouse Chris Paul, he’s also  not physically strong at all.  That leaves him to be exploited terribly in post ups last year, and because of his lightness, a good screen or series of screens can take him out the picture on defense despite his recovery speed.

As a team leader, Collison was remarkable.  He was barking commands to veterans like Okafor and David West from the start of the season.  On more than one occassion I saw him get on teammates for not being where they were supposed to be.  He’s intelligent, knows how to get a team into its offense, and it shows.  He’s also cold-blooded.  He had two game-winning shots last season, and another three that put a nail in a run the other team was making to come back.  He doesn’t shy from that big shot – and he has a decent track record of making it.

In the end, I feel Collison will be an exciting-as-hell, explosive scorer in the mold of Tony Parker, and most nights will outscore his opponent.  At the same time, I’d also expect his opponent to regularly score more than is usual.

Tim Donahue (8 points, 9 seconds) on Troy Murphy:

Offensively – The short answer is that Murph is a 6’11” Steve Kerr.  He is an extremely efficient scorer, and serves as a safety valve for the offense.  I can see him being a very nice player with your personnel, offensively, as he is a low-usage guy.  The Pacers use him to float at the top of the key, and he took all but like 10 of his three’s from the arc (very few corner threes).  He has no post game to speak of, and he’s a solid passer, but not a great high post guy.  He does a good job of reading his defender, and is very good at reading the closeout, putting the ball on the floor and finishing at the rim.  He doesn’t get many offensive rebounds because of (a) where he plays and (b) his lack of footspeed, but could get more if he played closer to the basket.  However, I think you’d be an absolute fool to play him – offensively – in any other way than the way O’Brien used him.  Look at his eFG and TS numbers the last three years under Obie vs. his time in GS.  He plays completely within his skill set (almost to a fault), and I have never – never – seen a guy with better shot selection than Troy.  Very, very nice complementary shooter to have on your team.

Defensively – He is definitely a liability, and that is because he’s slow and physically weak. He gets lots of defensive rebounds, but he doesn’t really control the glass the way most guys who pull down the volume of boards he gets.  He is not a block out guy, but has a good nose for the ball.  One-on-one he will never be better than, well, bad, but he can learn and will follow team defensive concepts.  In other words, if the opponent decides to target him, then he’ll get beaten, but he won’t blow defensive team schemes.  Overall, your team’s defensive performance will drag when he’s on the floor.

Lockerroom & Fit – He appears likable enough, but not really a presence.  Seems to get along with everybody well enough.  There were rumors last year that he wasn’t happy about Hansbrough eating into his playing time, but they were way external to the organization and I never believed them.  As far as fitting with your big guys, he should be a great fit with both Lopez and Favors offensively, and probaly a poor fit defensively with Lopez, but pretty good with Favors – assuming I’ve got a reasonable handle on their respective games.

Here’s the most important part – you can’t look at the 14 & 11 and think he’s that traditional double-double guy.  He is very much someone who accentuates his positives, but doesn’t improve on his negatives.  He is not a physical player, at all.  He is who he is, but that can be a good thing.  Assuming Avery doesn’t choke on his defense, I suspect he’ll love the guy because he is perhaps the most reliably consistent player I’ve seen in three+ decades of watching the NBA.  He will hit shots, he will get some boards, and he will suck on defense. He will score, but he is a safety valve – not a primary or secondary option.  It sounds strange, but I think coaches like that because it’s something they don’t have to worry about. They put him out there, and work on everything else.   This is why he can have some big games and not really make a difference.  He’s kind of a like an offensive lineman.  He can have a great  individual game, but if the rest of the line sucks, it won’t matter.  At the same time, if he’s great and the rest of the line is great, nobody will notice him.

Sebastian Pruiti (Nets are Scorching) on Courtney Lee:

Courtney Lee is a guy I like and with Avery Johnson coming to New Jersey, I thought he was the perfect Avery Johnson guy.  He shoots the three ok (last years numbers are too low for his shooting ability in my honest opinion), he can penetrate and get out and run, but where he is most valuable is on the defensive end.  Courtney is both a very good one on one and team defender, and he works very hard on that end.  Lee doesn’t have a high ceiling  (and that is why I suspect that the Nets held onto Terrence Williams), and the player he is now is the player he will be years from now.  That’s not a bad thing, but there is very little room for him to grow.

About the author: Rahat Huq is a lawyer in real life and the founder and editor-in-chief of

in conversations
  • zen monkey

    I like that the Rockets are two-deep with good players at each position. Unfortunately, good doesn't mean great, and it takes some great players to get beyond a first-round playoff appearance.
    PG: Brooks, Lowry
    SG: Martin, Lee
    SF: Battier, Budinger
    PF: Scola, Hayes
    C: Yao, Miller
    There is NBA quality at each spot, and no glaring holes. This can be both good and bad, good in the sense of lacking obvious flaws, bad in the sense of mediocrity. It's a good starting place though.

  • RoxfaninDallas

    Curious, Rahat offers 4 or 5 paragraphs on Ariza, plus a 3-part breakdown of his game, the guy from N.O. gives us a lot of info as does the guy from Indy. Or friend from NJ gives us one rather brief paragraph that says “eh, he's ok, probably as good as he's going to get though.” They're not that interested in basketball in NJ or what?

  • Sir_Thursday

    Pruiti's a busy guy with his NBA Playbook, I guess. Seriously, that site is the best place for Basketball analysis on the web (No offence, Rahat :P). Would have been nice to get a little more info though.

  • Mike

    Most folks in NJ are interested in baseball and football. It doesn't help that the Nets stink

  • Deng


    Can't blame NJ blogger. Nobody would be interested when their team loses like that. That or the quality of their bloggers are in correlation with the quality of their basketball team. Classic case of “worst should start first”, just so they don't look that much worse in the end.

  • Patrick Lee

    Can we politely ask Sebastian to write some more? =/

  • As I read each of the articles and finished with Pruiti's blog, I felt the writing style digressed. Rahat providing us with a professionally written analysis (thank you Rahat), to college (well structured), to high school (more of a conversational voice), and unfortunately finishing with our junior high analysis of Lee (a lackluster paragraph of the one player we seem to be thirsting over).

    Rahat, I love reading your articles. We are fortunate to have you working for us!

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  • rahat_huq

    I suspect that Sebastian is pretty swamped writing two blogs (NBA Playbook has to be the most labor-intensive blog in the network I'd imagine, given the nature of the content). As we speak, I'm in the midst of an interview with Eddy Rivera from our network Orlando Magic affiliate, so he should be able to tell us some more about Lee, having watched him through the Magic's Finals run.

  • Bob Schmidt

    Exhaustive stat analysis and teams creating just exactly the right type of opportunity for individual success aside, there is one fact that is inescapable between Lee and Ariza. (not the salary difference)

    Trevor Ariza just completed his 6th year playing in the NBA. Courtney Lee has TWO seasons under his belt. Somehow, Ariza still forgets to set his feet before shooting. His errors in judgement seem to never end, and 6 years of coaching and playing have apparently not “fixed” his game. Lee has not yet shown everything that he may be in the NBA. From a coaching viewpoint, I'd far rather work with Lee because he is hopefully open to learning. Either Trevor thinks that he already knows it all, or may be uncoachable. BB IQ?

    I wish Ariza all the success in the world in NO. But, if he doesn't pull up his PER to at least average over there, they will be disappointed just as we were here in Houston. From a chemistry viewpoint only I like this exchange of players. If Lee proves to be coachable, in addition to being more economical this trade will end up being viewed as a really good move by Morey and the Rox.

  • Patrick Lee

    Another thought — the Rockets had trouble competing in trades since their expiring contracts weren't as valuable as trade exceptions. Now he has a big one in his stash. So now he has a big trade exception, multiple expiring contracts, young up & coming players, and multiple draft picks. Hopefully he can turn some of those chips into a superstar….

  • david a

    Rahat, I keep hearing that the trade exception the Rockets received as part of this trade will help the Rockets in acquiring a star player. How does this work exactly? I was under the impression that a trade exception couldn't be added to another trade. In other words, we could trade $10 million dollars in salaries for $12.5 million in salaries (125%) but not $12.5 million + the trade exception. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious here.

  • Jodorowsky

    One of the things I love about Morey and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like, compared to pretty much every other person in sports, he has no problem admitting to himself that he's made a mistake and then going about correcting it as quickly as possible. Unlike someone like Dolan who is just so hard headed that he'll keep trying to bring back someone like Isiah Thomas, almost trying to prove to everyone else that they're the ones who are wrong and then damaging the team in the process.

  • Karl2k3

    Wow Rockets fans got the short end of the stick as far as this post is concerned. Thanks Pruiti for telling us very little about Lee. The other guys gave much more detailed analysis of their outgoing players.

    I don't know a whole lot about Lee myself, but I do watch a lot of playoff basketball every year instead of only the Rockets games and I remember Lee leaving an impression on me while with the Magic. I specifically remembering noticing the rookie make a few big plays in the Finals and thinking he is a starter, championship caliber role player in this league. Here's to hoping this comes true for him with Houston.

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