Thoughts of the day – Jazz, Yao, Haslem, Raptors…

  • First, to touch on some of the comments.  A reader, Blake, writes:

Not sure if any of you are familiar with the Wins Produced per 48 minutes (WP48) metric of David Berri. The Rockets next season will run two-deep at 4 positions with guys with career WP48 .150 or greater, or 50% better than the average player (.100 WP48). If a team is all .150 WP48 guys, you can project over 60 wins. According to this method, provided we stay healthy, stop playing Aaron Brooks big minutes (according to the metric, he is a less-than-average player), and maintain historical production, the Rockets could top 60 wins.

It’s an unusual situation, and I don’t think the Rockets use this metric, but by at least one statistical metric, we look good next year.

  • Update: Mavs land Tyson Chandler for package centered around Dampier
    • On Wade being small: most of the older players, Jordan and Kobe, could go to the post when the athleticism failed them and maintain efficiency.  But at 6’4, even with a very solid frame, that won’t be an option for Wade.
    • On the Rockets needing a playmaker: it’s a huge concern, especially for an old-school guy like myself who firmly believes that element is necessary.  But it seems they feel the synergistic passing effect can override that, similar to the Sacramento Kings of yesterday.
    • On Yao not being elite: if you have not yet, read my piece on Yao Ming where I explain my thoughts in depth.  To me, an elite player is someone who can be relied upon to deliver nightly in the playoffs.  If we had a game 7 tomorrow, and I asked you, “is there a better chance Yao gives us 30 and 15 or 10 and 5?” my guess is that the overwhelming majority would pick the latter.  Yao is simply too easily neutralized to be considered ‘elite.’  I view him as more of a weapon – he can explode in certain circumstances and should be milked to death in those instances, but otherwise, should not be the focal point on offense as he has been in the past.
    • On Lebron as a passer vs. shot-maker: I get the sense that James is much more comfortable setting others up.  This isn’t to say that he can’t score, only that I don’t foresee any clash between he and Wade.  Furthermore, Lebron has never had the consistent mid-range jumper possessed by all of the elite wings and practically necessary in the playoffs when defenses pack the paint and 3point line – you might even prefer Wade shooting in those situations.
    • Michael Jordan just killed a deal that would have sent Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, and Tyson Chandler to the Raptors, with Hedo Turkoglu going to Phoenix and Jose Calderon to the Bobcats.  First thought: can’t believe Phoenix was that dumb.  Second thought: didn’t know Colangelo was that smart.  Third thought: 9 years after Kwame debacle, Jordan getting wiser.
    • Al Jefferson has been traded to the Utah Jazz for a trade exception.  This brings to mind a lot of points.  First, expiring contracts are not nearly as valuable in today’s age as they were in the past.  They were valuable last year because teams were looking to clear cap space for Lebronothon.  But in general, since the recession, teams have wanted the instant savings offered by partially guaranteed contracts and TPE’s rather than the cap space yielded from expiring contracts.  Expiring contracts have much more value towards the deadline when the balance owed is half the original amount and the remainder can be partially offset by cash.  But for now, I would not expect to see the Rockets make a big move before February.
    • Second point on Jefferson, which needed its own bullet, pertains to the Jazz.  That team now employs possibly the two players in basketball who give Yao Ming the biggest fits.  It remains to be seen how much Al has left in the tank but its fascinating to me how far someone can fall off.
    • That brings us to our next point, and it pertains to guaranteed money.  Anyone wondering why the 6th year was crucial for a lot of these free agents should look no further than Al Jefferson.  There’s no way he would command his current salary on the open market.  As a rule, unless you’re an aging vet, I think money should always be the foremost concern, considering that these players have what basically amounts to a ten year shelf life.  Any economics professor would readily counter that most people would choose to live at the location of their desire rather than the alternative of living in Alaska for $15,000 more, citing the neutralizing value of ‘happiness.’  The distinction here however, in the NBA, is that players can be traded with impunity and are traded the second management deems it convenient.  It’s mind numbingly stupid for younger players to take less money to play at their preferred destination.  Cuttino Mobley comes to mind as someone who turned down a larger offer sheet and was later traded.
    • Along those lines, if I recall correctly, Jefferson actually turned down a larger salary from the Wolves claiming he didn’t “feel [he] was worth the max yet.”  Now, humility is a great virtue we should all strive to teach our kids, but so is common sense.  I still find it hard to believe that report was true simply because I can’t quite grasp the utter stupidity behind it.  We see how that altruism worked out for Al as he is now a proud resident of Salt Lake City.  Always take the money.  Always.
    • …except if you’re an aging vet.  I can understand Haslem’s decision in turning down $14million more to remain with the Heat because he’s at a point in his career where the “experience” of success is enough of an incentive to risk the possibility of being traded.  He’s also at the point where a player’s age makes them less attractive in a trade.
    • The Heat seem to have filled out their roster with the Haslem and Miller signings.  Like Jordan and Pippen, they now have the two best wing defenders in basketball.  Can Bosh and Haslem be as good defensively as Rodman and Longley?
    • Update: The Dallas Mavericks just landed center Tyson Chandler for a package centered around the partially guaranteed contract of Erick Dampier.  This is interesting for two reasons.  First, we see the primacy of partially guaranteed deals over expiring deals.  It’s instant real-dollar savings that teams place a premium upon – not cap space.  Second point is my amazement – heading into the summer, I thought surely the Mavs would couple Dampier with Beaubois and haul in a major star.  Instead, they were only able to acquire Chandler who, while certainly an impressive pick-up, is a bit of a let-down from that early prediction.
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    Silly jazz fans make me giggle. I am going to hop in my Delorean go back to the 90's and watch our Rockets win championships and the Jazz fail time and time again.

    How many games have your Jazz won against the Lakers in the playoffs the last two years? Only one? And you got swept? Just hard for me to imagine a great team like the Jazz doing so poorly, since we took them to seven with Yao and T-Mac injured.

    Oh my.

    thanks for reading.

    You all act like it was a bad thing for Jefferson to go to Utah. I can understand your frustration with Utah, being bounced by them year after year from the playoffs. But come on. Salt Lake is a huge step up from Minneapolis. The only thing Jefferson will have to get used to is, winning, because that is what the Jazz do. Who wouldn't want to be fed by the best point guard in the league? Who wouldn't want to step into a system that breeds all-star power forwards? A mediocre Carlos Boozer easily avergaged 20/10? As long as Jefferson, who is only 25, stays healthy, he will be set up for a huge contract when he is done with the Jazz. So, all you H-town fans, jealousy is a bitch. Go back to your sleepy offseason and discuss OTHER teams newly acquired free agents, and try not to talk about the inevitable Yao career-ending injury, because its coming. And hells coming with it.

    to touch on some of the comments. A reader, Blake, writes: Not sure if any of you are familiar with the Wins Produced!

    Hey, one thing from this post season that has me stumped is, Hassan Whiteside - the guy got picked up in the mid 30's in the draft, he's 7'1' and in 2 summer league games he's collected 11 rebounds and 6 blocks. yes its only summer league games so take the stats with a grain of salt but he has a remarkable ability to rebound and block shots isn't that what the rockets essentially need? i'm sure with coaches like Jack Sikma and player mentors like Yao and Battier the kid could only improve so why didn't Morey buy into the second round or late 1st round. he went at 33 to the kings, the heat had 32, although it wouldve made us the most hated team in the league we could've got that pick in a trade for Beasley because the heat really wanted nothing in return. and well Beasley just becomes another asset for us. just my thoughts.'

    I am liking the Rockets offseason, tbh... Once Bosh opted to tag along to South Beach, Houston's ideal fit was gone, luckily Patrick Pat was there in the draft.

    Expirings will allow Morey to work some team over come trade dealine time, and Adelman will have a better idea of how the roster fits together with Yao by then.

    Michael,

    You are definitely right. It's definitely depressing though. Here's some perspective on how boring the Rockets' offseason has been: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=tran...

    One of issues w/the box score formulas is that the actual numbers are biased. The Clippers are notorious for not crediting assists and rebounds. The Lakers are very generous w/their assists.
    In general,teams w/great rebounders and assist makers tend to be very generous in assigning assists and rebounds to their-and often other-stars.
    It is very uncommon for players to get as many assists/rebounds on the road as at home.(Home/road scoring splits are a factor,but are often not as big as variance between home/road stats.)
    For example,Dwight Howard goes up and taps missed shot to Jameer Nelson. Different scorers could credit either player w/the rebound. Ball goes out of bounds and can be either a team rebound-or can get credited to nearest player.
    Collins was credited w/20 assists in a game I watched on LP and I thought he really had about 13-14. Analsis by a couple of sites would have credited w/15-16.
    Another issue is fouls. If Kobe draws all the defenders,passes to Bynum for a dunk,but Bynum gets whacked so he misses,that's not an assist,even if Bynum makes both FTs. And if Brooks drives,draws Battier's defender,kicks out for a open 3 that Shane makes it's counted the same as a pass leading to a layup. We have shooting stats that account for FTs,3pt shots,yet nothing for passes.
    We know the Rockets track that as Morey stated few yrs ago that McGrady lead League in creating open shots for others.

    Some fun w/numbers-or you can make numbers do anything.
    @ 4 yrs ago I was playing around w/basic box score assist/point totals. I added the points off of assists to points scored and divided by minutes played.Adjusted assists by adding % of rest of team's 3pt makes.
    Only 3 players were creating more than a point per minute. Nash almost 1.5/min,McGrady at 1.19/min and Kobe at 1.06.(LeBron was @.99/.98)

    Blake, sorry if the post was taken out of line. I definitely agree, just wanted to re-highlight the injury point with all of the Yao talk. It's just tough to think WP48 numbers for someone like Hill stay elevated with increased playing time (I know you're not saying they necessarily would). Point taken. And I know that it's just one, of many, stats.

    Also, injuries would of course completely change the situation, hence the caveat in Rahat's quote of my original post.

    The metric is actually David Berri's, not my own, just for clarification.

    Anonymous, my point is that our team average WP48 could be greater than .150 even considering minutes played by the stars. The aggregate of Wins Produced becomes spread across a larger number of quality players, leaving less need for a true star. This raises the question of whether a superstar like Lebron's .441 last year is such a necessity for a team to win games. Rahat often speaks of recreating the aggregate. This metric is one that easily lends itself to how it could be done.

    Just wanted to talk about Blake's post a little more.

    Just to point out, Blake's formula is used to calculate Win Score, as he said, not WP48. Speculating as to why Aaron Brooks has a low WP48 based on the Win Score formula can lead you quickly astray. Granted, the listed WP48 for Aaron Brooks is low and correct, but it's just not calculated using this formula (Win Score = PTS + REB + STL + ½*BLK + ½*AST– FGA – ½*FTA – TO – ½*PF).

    WP48 adjustments are also typically made to account for minutes and positions played to accurately account for an issue like the one Randy brought up. (Relationship between guards and assists and ultimate win contribution.) Assists, using WP48, do not carry the same weight for guards and centers in the WP48 world.

    Here's a complete explanation of WP48: http://www.wagesofwins.com/CalculatingWinsProduced...

    Yao's WP48 of .226 is valid when he plays, which isn't as often as we need to actually contend. This is the main issue with Blake's post (nothing wrong, just feel like the point has to be driven home). Win contributions should be calculated using the following formula ((WP48/48) * Minutes Played). To simply take a WP48 statistic and extrapolate wins without completely weighing the possibility of injury will inflate the numbers. Yao's WP48 of .226 translates to roughly (.226/48)*2558 =12.185 wins. If Yao plays 82 games (using his 33.6 MPG average in 08-09), wins turns into 12.67. Yao, however, has only averaged 2246 minutes/season so far over his career. Even using his .226 WP48 from 08-09, an average season (in terms of minutes played) only leads to 10.57 wins. When you look further down the Rockets roster at players like Martin and and Ariza (for example), you can easily see how the 60 win prediction seems lofty (it assumes no injuries).

    I'm not a statistician, so I apologize if I did anything incorrectly. While 60 wins next season doesn't seem likely, it seems about as probable as an injury-free season.

    Nice job Blake, just wanted to say, like you said, WP48 is a number that represents the chance of winning a player adds to a team. If he doesn't play that often, the impact is limited.

    rahat huq: Jerry, luislandry,You guys raise good points. I personally would still take the money but I guess I’m just greedy. I can’t base a decision on something when there is a good chance of that basis not even being concrete (ie: choosing a city as my main reason to sign but then being traded from that city.)Dan,I think you’d just put the best defender on Wade, regardless of position. Case in point: Hinrich gave him fits a few years ago in the playoffs.Blake,thanks – will post this tomorrow.Randy,Hill has looked pretty bad but I’m not worried. I saw enough from him last year to have hope. BoothQuake,Very well possible. Glad to see Dampier’s contract off the market.Charlie Boy,that comment was just made in response to Jordan saying Yao made everyone around him better. I don’t think making others around you better is a necessary component to being considered elite. You raise a very interesting point though that I’ll address tomorrow in my post.  (reply with quote)  (reply w/out quote)

    wasnt trying to be rude rahat, but in general elite level post presences arent asked to assist or find the open man other than kicking out of the double team, so while that comment (making others better) is very applicable to the players or position that is asked to distribute or make plays, i just dont think its as important in post play. dominate the paint, that is what is important, and that is what yao does.

    Charlie Boy,

    I don't see how Yao can't get a .200+ rating on that scale, he's a 20/10 guy with good shooting and excellent free throw percentage...

    I bet Kevin Durant has a similar rating b/c of his scoring/rebounding/good freethrow and shooting %

    but assists are only valued at 1/2?! are you joking me =.= i mean all the point guards gain negative points (brooks for example) for trying to make plays unless they got an absurdly high assist:turnover ratio.

    I bet Chris Paul has a rating of 0.5-.-

    Tesla,
    I completely agree with this. Inflated value there. I would cash out ala Landry. Especially considering you're looking at $8mill annually to keep him, and Lowry looking at a raise.

    Jerry, luislandry,
    You guys raise good points. I personally would still take the money but I guess I'm just greedy. I can't base a decision on something when there is a good chance of that basis not even being concrete (ie: choosing a city as my main reason to sign but then being traded from that city.)

    Dan,
    I think you'd just put the best defender on Wade, regardless of position. Case in point: Hinrich gave him fits a few years ago in the playoffs.

    Blake,
    thanks - will post this tomorrow.

    Randy,
    Hill has looked pretty bad but I'm not worried. I saw enough from him last year to have hope.

    BoothQuake,
    Very well possible. Glad to see Dampier's contract off the market.

    Charlie Boy,
    that comment was just made in response to Jordan saying Yao made everyone around him better. I don't think making others around you better is a necessary component to being considered elite. You raise a very interesting point though that I'll address tomorrow in my post.

    I've thought for a while that we should trade AB, while his value is still high and other GMs probably see *potential for further improvement.

    *In reality, he has probably reached his full potential, but there are a lot of dumb GMs out there.

    Is Blake's metric of WP48, which shows that yao has a WHOPPING .226 evidence enough of how valuable and ELITE he is? Good lord Rahat, how many big men do you know that 'make their team better" ??? annoying comment bro.

    i think everyone is moving their trading chips now...and we are holding out for chris paul...

    Hi rahat,

    If you watched the summer games, can you do an analysis of those? we got four bench potentials playing over there.

    Anyways, PP is getting really inconsistent scoring-wise, but he is rebounding. Hill seems to do okay both scoring and rebounding, but doesn't look too good when he play lolz

    Saw that an explanation of Wins Produced was requested in the previous comments.

    Wins Produced is based on regression analysis determining which box-score stats are important to wins. It can be difficult to calculate without a spreadsheet. There is a simpler metric devised by the same group called Win Score (which can be converted to WP48) which I will use to explain the statistic.

    Win Score = PTS + REB + STL + ½*BLK + ½*AST
    – FGA – ½*FTA – TO – ½*PF

    This does not produce the same numbers as WP48, but the philosophy is the same. This metric does not award value for creating a shot and is commonly criticized for overvaluing rebounds. Possessions and points are the most important outcomes in a game using this metric. Allen Iverson, for instance, rates poorly using this method, because of inefficient shooting and low rebounding numbers--he squanders possessions he uses and does not generate many for his team.

    Wins Produced is not a panacea. WP48 does not take into account individual defense. It also assigns credit for a rebound only to the rebounder, disregarding any team defense that led to a missed shot. Players like Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier are likely undervalued. But as a whole, it's an interesting tool.

    WP48 is a number that represents the chance of winning a player adds to a team. A team of average players (.100 WP48) have a 50% chance to win each game and will win around 41 games. A team of stars (.200 WP48) should win every game.

    Hopefully this explains Wins Produced a little better to those of you unfamiliar with it. In closing, here are the Rockets' career WP48 numbers, for anyone interested:

    PG: Aaron Brooks: .034 | Kyle Lowry: .143 (.173 in Houston)
    Wings: Kevin Martin: .178 | Trevor Ariza: .157 | Shane Battier: .146 | Chase Budinger: .155
    Big Men: Luis Scola: .179 | Yao Ming: .226 | Chuck Hayes: .174 | Jordan Hill: .171 (.235 in Houston)
    Bench: Jermaine Taylor: .027 | Jared Jeffries: -.023

    Michael,

    You are definitely right. It's definitely depressing though. Here's some perspective on how boring the Rockets' offseason has been: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=tran...

    One of issues w/the box score formulas is that the actual numbers are biased. The Clippers are notorious for not crediting assists and rebounds. The Lakers are very generous w/their assists.
    In general,teams w/great rebounders and assist makers tend to be very generous in assigning assists and rebounds to their-and often other-stars.
    It is very uncommon for players to get as many assists/rebounds on the road as at home.(Home/road scoring splits are a factor,but are often not as big as variance between home/road stats.)
    For example,Dwight Howard goes up and taps missed shot to Jameer Nelson. Different scorers could credit either player w/the rebound. Ball goes out of bounds and can be either a team rebound-or can get credited to nearest player.
    Collins was credited w/20 assists in a game I watched on LP and I thought he really had about 13-14. Analsis by a couple of sites would have credited w/15-16.
    Another issue is fouls. If Kobe draws all the defenders,passes to Bynum for a dunk,but Bynum gets whacked so he misses,that's not an assist,even if Bynum makes both FTs. And if Brooks drives,draws Battier's defender,kicks out for a open 3 that Shane makes it's counted the same as a pass leading to a layup. We have shooting stats that account for FTs,3pt shots,yet nothing for passes.
    We know the Rockets track that as Morey stated few yrs ago that McGrady lead League in creating open shots for others.

    Some fun w/numbers-or you can make numbers do anything.
    @ 4 yrs ago I was playing around w/basic box score assist/point totals. I added the points off of assists to points scored and divided by minutes played.Adjusted assists by adding % of rest of team's 3pt makes.
    Only 3 players were creating more than a point per minute. Nash almost 1.5/min,McGrady at 1.19/min and Kobe at 1.06.(LeBron was @.99/.98)

    Blake, sorry if the post was taken out of line. I definitely agree, just wanted to re-highlight the injury point with all of the Yao talk. It's just tough to think WP48 numbers for someone like Hill stay elevated with increased playing time (I know you're not saying they necessarily would). Point taken. And I know that it's just one, of many, stats.

    Rahat, what do you think about Wade's options if he ends up playing the point? Because of the distributing abilities of Wade and LeBron, it seems like a real possibility the Heat could go big with Miller at the 2 and Wade at the 1. In this scenario, would Wade be able to exploit his mismatch against other PGs by going to the post? Or would the other team leave the PG on Miller and make sure Wade is covered with a SG?

    Also, injuries would of course completely change the situation, hence the caveat in Rahat's quote of my original post.

    The metric is actually David Berri's, not my own, just for clarification.

    Anonymous, my point is that our team average WP48 could be greater than .150 even considering minutes played by the stars. The aggregate of Wins Produced becomes spread across a larger number of quality players, leaving less need for a true star. This raises the question of whether a superstar like Lebron's .441 last year is such a necessity for a team to win games. Rahat often speaks of recreating the aggregate. This metric is one that easily lends itself to how it could be done.

    Agree with Jerry right above and strongly disagree with Rahat (sorry!) To call it mind-numbingly and also utterly stupid is absurd. Obviously you can weigh the possibility of being traded to a destination you don't want to go to, but you may feel like the chance that you won't be and the money you give up balance out. Also, it definitely matters that we're talking about millions in both situations. You're giving up a lot of millions to accept some millions and some chance at happiness (with some risk as you mention). It's not the same thing as a guy out of college w/loans rejecting a good job offer to go work at McDonald's with his buddies. Not to mention that a player contemplating this is probably the type of decent guy who is not going to drive himself into bankruptcy.

    Just wanted to talk about Blake's post a little more.

    Just to point out, Blake's formula is used to calculate Win Score, as he said, not WP48. Speculating as to why Aaron Brooks has a low WP48 based on the Win Score formula can lead you quickly astray. Granted, the listed WP48 for Aaron Brooks is low and correct, but it's just not calculated using this formula (Win Score = PTS + REB + STL + ½*BLK + ½*AST– FGA – ½*FTA – TO – ½*PF).

    WP48 adjustments are also typically made to account for minutes and positions played to accurately account for an issue like the one Randy brought up. (Relationship between guards and assists and ultimate win contribution.) Assists, using WP48, do not carry the same weight for guards and centers in the WP48 world.

    Here's a complete explanation of WP48: http://www.wagesofwins.com/CalculatingWinsProduced...

    Yao's WP48 of .226 is valid when he plays, which isn't as often as we need to actually contend. This is the main issue with Blake's post (nothing wrong, just feel like the point has to be driven home). Win contributions should be calculated using the following formula ((WP48/48) * Minutes Played). To simply take a WP48 statistic and extrapolate wins without completely weighing the possibility of injury will inflate the numbers. Yao's WP48 of .226 translates to roughly (.226/48)*2558 =12.185 wins. If Yao plays 82 games (using his 33.6 MPG average in 08-09), wins turns into 12.67. Yao, however, has only averaged 2246 minutes/season so far over his career. Even using his .226 WP48 from 08-09, an average season (in terms of minutes played) only leads to 10.57 wins. When you look further down the Rockets roster at players like Martin and and Ariza (for example), you can easily see how the 60 win prediction seems lofty (it assumes no injuries).

    I'm not a statistician, so I apologize if I did anything incorrectly. While 60 wins next season doesn't seem likely, it seems about as probable as an injury-free season.

    Nice job Blake, just wanted to say, like you said, WP48 is a number that represents the chance of winning a player adds to a team. If he doesn't play that often, the impact is limited.

    Rahat,

    I disagree about always taking the money. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if I'm already a multi-millionaire (like Al Jeff was when he turned down that max offer a couple of years ago), what's another couple of millions of dollars gonna do? If it's about setting up your family for the future, there's no shame at all for the kids to work at a Red Lobster for some extra money when they get old enough. Helps build character.

    Like I said, maybe it's just me, but I don't think there's anything wrong with going with your heart (happiness) over your head (common sense) when you're practically guaranteed to be rich for life (unless your name is Antoine Walker). And being traded is part of the job when you're in the NBA. They should know that coming in so I can't really feel that bad for them when it happens. If the worst thing that can happen to you is to be traded to Salt Lake City (which does kinda suck now that I think about it), then you don't really have it that bad. But then again, I've never been to Utah before, (and don't really want to, to be honest) so maybe it is.

    Is that the real Rudy T (any way to actually tell?) ? If so thats pretty awesome that he is reading and contributing to the conversation. If not then boo on picking that as your name!

    Jordan,
    Who has Yao made better? Oops...I went there...

    I was afraid you would say that.

    That is terrible! That Okur could hold Yao! Ahh that is further proof that Yao is not an elite player, if he can not dominate Okur.

    but Yao makes everyone else better and he does a ton of intangibles. At least they are on the same horrible team and he wont have to face 2 different "Yao Stoppers" 8 times, only 4 times. I guess thats a good thing, but nothing good ever comes from the Jazz.

    Michael,
    their moves strike me as a team run by a fan. their entire modus operandi essentially seems to boil down to pursual of whatever the hottest name on the market is at that time. on the other hand, is this necessarily a flawed strategy? there's no financial concerns for one, which takes out forecasting etc. risk analysis....but more importantly, they have a closing window with nowitzki's age. they're not building with a long-term strategy in mind. they just want to amass as much talent as possible, maintain liquidity through trading of assets, and hope they catch lightning. so i think while it SEEMS like mass chaos, there is some rationality there.

    Kevin,
    keep in mind though that our expirings have more value towards the deadline. damp's contract was instant savings which gave them an edge. a move would be nice, but there's nothing really on the market right now for this team that would be a clear-cut upgrade. i didn't think jefferson was a good fit - poor mobility and low FT% and minny may have valued the instant savings of the TPE over expirings. same with chandler - damp's contract > expirings. the only other guys that could help are paul, melo, and granger and there's no indication that there's any rush from those teams to unload those guys.

    Jordan,
    the other guy is okur. he handled yao without a double team in the playoffs.

    @Jordan,

    I think Rahat meant Okur as as the other Jazz who gave Yao fits.

    rahat huq: Jerry, luislandry,You guys raise good points. I personally would still take the money but I guess I’m just greedy. I can’t base a decision on something when there is a good chance of that basis not even being concrete (ie: choosing a city as my main reason to sign but then being traded from that city.)Dan,I think you’d just put the best defender on Wade, regardless of position. Case in point: Hinrich gave him fits a few years ago in the playoffs.Blake,thanks – will post this tomorrow.Randy,Hill has looked pretty bad but I’m not worried. I saw enough from him last year to have hope. BoothQuake,Very well possible. Glad to see Dampier’s contract off the market.Charlie Boy,that comment was just made in response to Jordan saying Yao made everyone around him better. I don’t think making others around you better is a necessary component to being considered elite. You raise a very interesting point though that I’ll address tomorrow in my post.  (reply with quote)  (reply w/out quote)

    wasnt trying to be rude rahat, but in general elite level post presences arent asked to assist or find the open man other than kicking out of the double team, so while that comment (making others better) is very applicable to the players or position that is asked to distribute or make plays, i just dont think its as important in post play. dominate the paint, that is what is important, and that is what yao does.

    Charlie Boy,

    I don't see how Yao can't get a .200+ rating on that scale, he's a 20/10 guy with good shooting and excellent free throw percentage...

    I bet Kevin Durant has a similar rating b/c of his scoring/rebounding/good freethrow and shooting %

    but assists are only valued at 1/2?! are you joking me =.= i mean all the point guards gain negative points (brooks for example) for trying to make plays unless they got an absurdly high assist:turnover ratio.

    I bet Chris Paul has a rating of 0.5-.-

    Who is the second player that gives Yao a fit on the Jazz?

    Whoops, speaking of devil in the details: the trade was for Dampier. Nevertheless, I think the point still stands.

    From all of this, the one thing that sticks out: God Bless the Dallas Mavericks. They're a great team, I have family that supports them (in-laws, clearly) and were it not for the fact that I grew up supporting Our Dear Houston Rockets I might have a soft spot for them. Might.

    Nevertheless, the point I wanted to make is that their moves feel like pseudo-science: sure, there is some logic to it but when you really start to dig further into the details it just doesn't seem to hold up. And what's worse for them is they have all the elements of a championship team but just keep screwing up the details (and until proven otherwise the same fate will befall Miami) and seem to be forever condemned to paper-tiger status. Why would they go and get Chandler? I mean, I understand it's just it doesn't seem to make alot of sense to me strategically. They have Haywood, Dampier and now Chandler now at center; I would've thought strategically they would've got a Miller/Gortat type to stretch things out a bit but now they have 3 "banger" centers. I dunno. I guess I point this out because we're spoiled having Morey: he has a clear short-term and long-term strategy along with contingencies, attempts to implement it and doesn't over-reach and tends to operate within acceptable limits of risk. It almost sounds like he's trying to run a great business ;-)

    Tesla,
    I completely agree with this. Inflated value there. I would cash out ala Landry. Especially considering you're looking at $8mill annually to keep him, and Lowry looking at a raise.

    Jerry, luislandry,
    You guys raise good points. I personally would still take the money but I guess I'm just greedy. I can't base a decision on something when there is a good chance of that basis not even being concrete (ie: choosing a city as my main reason to sign but then being traded from that city.)

    Dan,
    I think you'd just put the best defender on Wade, regardless of position. Case in point: Hinrich gave him fits a few years ago in the playoffs.

    Blake,
    thanks - will post this tomorrow.

    Randy,
    Hill has looked pretty bad but I'm not worried. I saw enough from him last year to have hope.

    BoothQuake,
    Very well possible. Glad to see Dampier's contract off the market.

    Charlie Boy,
    that comment was just made in response to Jordan saying Yao made everyone around him better. I don't think making others around you better is a necessary component to being considered elite. You raise a very interesting point though that I'll address tomorrow in my post.

    I've thought for a while that we should trade AB, while his value is still high and other GMs probably see *potential for further improvement.

    *In reality, he has probably reached his full potential, but there are a lot of dumb GMs out there.

    Is Blake's metric of WP48, which shows that yao has a WHOPPING .226 evidence enough of how valuable and ELITE he is? Good lord Rahat, how many big men do you know that 'make their team better" ??? annoying comment bro.

    i think everyone is moving their trading chips now...and we are holding out for chris paul...

    Rudy T,
    touche. I guess I was almost desensitized to those two.

    You've been following T-Mac and Yao the past few years and your "fascinat(ed) to me how far someone can fall off." ?? Funny stuff.....

    Hi rahat,

    If you watched the summer games, can you do an analysis of those? we got four bench potentials playing over there.

    Anyways, PP is getting really inconsistent scoring-wise, but he is rebounding. Hill seems to do okay both scoring and rebounding, but doesn't look too good when he play lolz

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