On Scottie Pippen

Much of the debate across the network last week pertained to Scottie Pippen and his place in history.  As one of his stops was in Houston, I figured I should weigh in…

Update

I was young during Pip’s brief tenure with the Rockets, but old enough that I had already been religiously following the team for quite some time.  (I mean that literally – from age ten onward, I practically inhaled anything pertaining to NBA basketball, exhausting all of the few information mediums available in that day.)

The hot discussion right now is with regard to whether Pippen belongs in the top 50 etc. etc.  I don’t know and I don’t feel passionately enough on it to argue for either side.  All I can say is that with Houston, he was terrible.

Many commentators are using his failures in Houston (and Portland) as proof that he wasn’t worthy of his status in history.  I don’t know if that’s honest.  If we’re basing things off of his production without Michael, his play in ’93 (when he led the Bulls to within one blown call of the ECF) should at least negate what he did in Houston.  It’s not completely fair to say he was nothing without Michael.

Moving on, he was awful with Houston, not bringing us anything we thought we had paid for.  He averaged a paltry 14ppg on poor shooting but still, those stats aren’t conclusive as he could have been sacrificing his game or bringing other elements to the table.  The problem was that he didn’t; Scottie Pippen brought absolutely nothing to the Houston Rockets.

Scottie was brought to Houston for defense and leadership and he failed miserably in both departments.  I remember him routinely being roasted by the league’s better wings, punctuated by his complete ownage at the hands of a very young Kobe Bryant in the first round; I think Pip’s ankles are still likely writhing from the schooling he took.

We thought he’d bring experience and a steady hand but he slipped and fell, turning the ball over, in the most important possession of that year in Game 1 of the first round.  He then promptly blamed Charles Barkley for the loss in the media.

Most of us wanted Antonio McDyess, but the Nuggets star didn’t want us.  Still, we thought Pippen would instantly lift us into contention.  Instead, he couldn’t even come close to filling the shoes of the departed, aging Clyde Drexler.

Pippen was probably the biggest disappointment in Rockets history.  Worse, he spawned the Kelvin Cato legacy with his trade to Portland bringing the Rockets absolutely nothing of value in return and thrusting the team into a vicious cycle of mediocrity.

I don’t know how he should be ranked in NBA history, but after a forgettable season in which he provided the team with nothing, Scottie Pippen’s place in Houston Rockets history is very clear.

Update: Couple of other Pip-related points I couldn’t get to last night as sleep set in…

  • when he went on national television and proclaimed that Charles Barkley should “apologize to him for coming to play with his sorry fat butt,” my jaw dropped.  It was one of those moments when you can’t quite believe what you just heard and begin convincing yourself of intended facetiousness.
  • after those comments, it was clear a trade had to be made.  The hot rumor at that time was a deal that would send Glen Rice and Robert Horry to Houston.  Most national commentators thought such a deal would make all too much sense, citing “a perfect fit” for Houston’s system, slothful logic one should come to expect by now from those outlets.  You don’t want a team of guys that only fit into your system because then you’re left with nothing when things break down.  Anyways, I think it was more a case of people wanting Pip in LA so badly that they needed to frame some case for why Houston might do it.
  • Portland was the more promising option and most of us assumed one of Brian Grant, Rasheed Wallace, or Jermaine O’neal would be sent our way.  In fact, it was a foregone conclusion.  I don’t think anyone even fathomed trading Pippen and not getting one of those guys back.  But it happened, and we were sent what amounted to Portland’s garbage.  To add insult to injury, the best player in the deal, Stacey Augmon, was released (by prior agreement) and re-signed by the Blazers.  Could a more skilled GM (ie: anyone other than Carrol Dawson) have procured more from Portland or was his stock just too low to expect any value?  We’ll never know but the deal was just one of many moves made by Dawson that helped plunge the team into irrelevance.
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I meant to hit reply, not to "like" my own post...anyway, I was going to add that I don't mean I think he was as good as Barkley, no way.

Unless they re-do the HOF and take out the jerks, Pippen is 100% HOF. PER is tremendously biased towards the offense. It's a nice metric to have, but mostly to tell you how good an offensive player and rebounder somebody is.

Unless they re-do the HOF and take out the jerks, Pippen is 100% HOF. PER is tremendously biased towards the offense. It's a nice metric to have, but mostly to tell you how good an offensive player and rebounder somebody is.

I lived in Chicago during the Bulls glory days, and everyone there referred to Scottie as "No Tippin' Pippin" as he was known to never, ever leave a tip in a restaurant. Classy behavior in a multimillionaire.

Pippen is probably the worst personality in basketball, maybe in all sports, I've ever watched. He is worse than guys like Karl Malone, and that says a lot. Malone, while definitely a douchebag, at least has the sense of pretending to be respectable. Pippen never even bothers to hide how much of a jerk he is.

That said, Pippen was a great basketball player. Should he be included among the top 50? It's debatable. Those of us Rockets fans probably will never give his achievement a fair assessment due to the atrocity he has left with our team.

Stats don't always tell the whole story about a player, but for comparisons sake Pippen had a career PER rating of a bit over 18. (15 is average) By comparison, Sir Charles had a career PER of 24 plus. Somehow, that does not feel like Hall of Fame to me. His inclusion in the HOF is tailgating on MJ's career......

Aside from his mystifying blaming of Barkley for that one play, my bitterest Pippen memory was after his first game with Portland. The Blazers had won and the Rockets had lost their first game (not against each other) and Pippen specifically singled out the Rockets in his post-game comments, saying something like "Oh man, did you see those Houston Rockets in their game? Talk about terrible! Man, what a sorry team that is!" The guy had earned no right to talk trash like that after how he failed the Rockets but he did it anyway. I hated that bastard.

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