Houston Rockets pursuing Rajon Rondo

ESPN’s Marc Stein has been tweeting all day that the Rockets and Celtics have begun discussions involving point guard Rajon Rondo.

Stein also posted a brief article summing up the days’ tweets.

Yet sources told ESPN.com that talks between the teams have not progressed to a serious stage because the sides can’t agree on a trade framework both can embrace.    

Assuming the trade package from the Rockets’ end is built around Omer Asik, this makes for a very difficult negotiation.  Both teams expect first round picks for their assets, and the Celtics have the upper-hand due to Asik’s balloon payments.  Ideally, the pick the Rockets expect for Asik would offset one of the picks Boston would like in return for Rondo and the deal could get done with only one first changing hands.

This post will be updated as more news is made available.

And to get a jump on the Rondo-can’t-shoot talk, allow me to introduce you to Kirk Goldsberry.

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Rondo may not shoot the three, but he doesn’t kill the Rockets floor spacing as much as most might expect.  His positives greatly outweigh his negatives.

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Total comments: 34
  • NorEastern says 7 months ago


    Find the URL of the image you'd like to link to (NBA.com makes it difficult to get that from their stats pages but as NorEastern says you could "Save Image" and then re-upload if necessary). Once you've got that, you can include pictures in your posts by surrounding the URL with [ IMG>[ /IMG> (but remove the spaces).

    Eg.

    parsons-shot-chart-goldsberry.jpg


    ST

    And that chart perfectly sums up the efficient game of one of the 10 best small forwards in the game.

  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    I don't know how to link the shot charts, but also Parsons hot zone is on the right side of the floor while Harden seems more effective on left. Its a perfect fit.


    Find the URL of the image you'd like to link to (NBA.com makes it difficult to get that from their stats pages but as NorEastern says you could "Save Image" and then re-upload if necessary). Once you've got that, you can include pictures in your posts by surrounding the URL with [ IMG>[ /IMG> (but remove the spaces).

    Eg.

    parsons-shot-chart-goldsberry.jpg


    ST

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    I don't know how to link the shot charts, but also Parsons hot zone is on the right side of the floor while Harden seems more effective on left. Its a perfect fit.

    As a sage and wise man named JohnnyGold once told me "Use imgur and the BB format".

  • Buckko says 7 months ago As of now celtics are in not involved in any talks. I'm happy. Watching rondo and harden, would be like 2 pitbulls trying to kill each other.
  • bladad says 7 months ago

    My earlier post stated that in my opinion Parsons is more valuable than Rondo. That doesn't mean that I think Parsons is a superior player to Rondo. Rather, in my opinion, Parsons is a much better fit on this roster than Rondo would be, and thus a more valuable player.

    Plenty of teams have won NBA titles without a top 5 or 10 PG. That was one of the keys to Phil Jackson's success with his triangle offense, not requiring a top PG to run the offense.

    He won those titles with rosters that had 1-3 of the best players in the NBA at any time. I really don't think that it's a fair comparison.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    Parsons isn't even close to Rondo. I love CP, but Rajon Rondo is one of the best 3-4 PGs in the league. Im not even saying Id pick Rondo over Parsons as James Harden's teammate, but Rondo is one of the elite. Parsons isnt on that level


    My earlier post stated that in my opinion Parsons is more valuable than Rondo. That doesn't mean that I think Parsons is a superior player to Rondo. Rather, in my opinion, Parsons is a much better fit on this roster than Rondo would be, and thus a more valuable player.

    Plenty of teams have won NBA titles without a top 5 or 10 PG. That was one of the keys to Phil Jackson's success with his triangle offense, not requiring a top PG to run the offense.
  • linonlyfan says 7 months ago

    I don't know how to link the shot charts, but also Parsons hot zone is on the right side of the floor while Harden seems more effective on left. Its a perfect fit.

  • linonlyfan says 7 months ago

    DIfficult for me to imagine. Parsons value for me now is he is adequate at defending his position with potential to get better, and is proving to be quite the knock down shooter which the has huge value for a Rockets team that features Howard and Harden as first options. Not only that, he isn't a standstill player but cuts AND handles the ball. The guy is unbelievable. Also who would then take the small forward minutes, there is a reason Parsons is one of the Rockets leaders in MPG.

    Of course there is always the potential Parsons and Beverley into Rondo into something else. Again, as Simmons says, always turn change into dollar bills and Rondo is probably easier to re-deal for further missing pieces. Its a shame because i like the team as its built, but having seen so many Rockets players traded, especially those who were clear underdogs we have to be mentally prepared for this to happen.

  • Incubus2803 says 7 months ago

    Parsons isn't even close to Rondo. I love CP, but Rajon Rondo is one of the best 3-4 PGs in the league. Im not even saying Id pick Rondo over Parsons as James Harden's teammate, but Rondo is one of the elite. Parsons isnt on that level

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    In a vacuum parsons and some picks or whatever plus the salary to make it work Is worth rondo but the rockets are already thin at the wings maybe if they had a deal lined up with bev or Lin going somewhere for a 3. Doubt if the talks lead anywhere now


    I absolutely disagree. Parsons is much more valuable to the Rockets than Rondo would be. For sure, Rondo is a quality player. The Rockets system doesn't really require a top 10 PG to be efficient and effective. Parsons glue effect on this team is much misunderstood and underrated in my opinion.
  • SadLakerFan says 7 months ago Two players who miss half their free throws on the court during crunch time? Could it work? There probably isn't a large enough sample size because no one's been crazy enough to try it.
  • Steven says 7 months ago Maybe the Rockets can loop the Knicks into the deal, giving the Knicks Lin, Boston Asik with NYC giving Boston Hardaway Jr and Shumpart, and the Rockets getting Rondo. NYC would have give up more money, maybe Boston could get out of the 3 yr contract of G. Wallace for the two year contract of Bargnoni (yes I can't spell).
  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago Thank you NorEastern for the shot chart........last week a basketball site rated the Rockets 2 nd team 28th out of 30 for defense and points per 100 possessions. Not ure who gets traded? lin? or Asik? Just a rumor i guess.

    There is no way that Parsons gets traded. Parsons was the main guy that recruited D12. At the press conference D12 looked at Parsons (called him Timberlake) in the front row and said that if not for Parsons calling or texting 2-3 times a day......he may not have chosen Houston. Free agents everywhere would hear about Houston trading away the main reason Howard came to Houston. Cold hearted. NBA countdown were just talking about the Pacers and how Lance Stephenson will probably get 9-11 mil his summer. I don't think he is better than Parsons.
  • BallSoHarden says 7 months ago

    Would Lin or Beverley be included in this trade? Can't have all of them and if you trade Lin then there's a huge loss of scoring on the bench and no one to really create a shot for the rest of them (sorry Bev). If Lin is kept, what's the roster we finish games with, Rondo, Lin, Harden, Parsons and Howard? (Assuming we keep Parsons too).

  • Cooper says 7 months ago In a vacuum parsons and some picks or whatever plus the salary to make it work Is worth rondo but the rockets are already thin at the wings maybe if they had a deal lined up with bev or Lin going somewhere for a 3. Doubt if the talks lead anywhere now
  • 08huangj says 7 months ago

    Not a fan of Rondo (Ray Allen's beef with Rondo dealt with selfish assists-where Rondo holds on to the ball until he gets in position to get the assist).
    Teams will pack the paint in the playoffs with Rondo and with Rubio now-a-days.....can Harden do a better job as a spot up shooter? I love the idea of finally having a guy to lob passes to D12/Harden/Parsons; Harden/Parsons/Lin have done a better job lately- nice having days off between games (saw a stat where Rockets are now 11-1 when they have more than one day off between games....both Thunder games have been 2nd halves of back-to-backs) to work on their games. Typical Ainge asking for 2 first rounders; the Kings offered that & got shot down ......Rockets show interest
    and he demands Parsons be included (from the article I read). IMO the most difficult GM to deal with.

    Isiah Thomas is not going to fit will with Rondo.

  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    It is certainly a giant question mark. My opinion is Rondo would work well with this roster and would be a nice upgrade at the point (presuming he is fully healthy and hasn't lost a step due to the injury).

    Regarding the playoff concerns--according to basketball-reference.com Rondo has another gear for the playoffs. His numbers improve across the board for every season. The argument that he was surrounded with talent is moot since he will be surrounded with talent here.

    I don't know if giving up Parsons is worth it. The thought of him playing elsewhere is strange.

    Yeah, the idea that Rondo was carried by the other guys on the Celtics is absurd, at least in the last few years. Here are his stat-lines from the 2011 conference finals against Miami:

    Game 1: 16 points (8-20 FG), 9 rebounds, 7 assists

    Game 2: 44 points (16-24 FG), 8 rebounds, 10 assists

    Game 3: 21 points (9-16 FG), 6 rebounds, 10 assists

    Game 4: 15 points (7-14 FG), 5 rebounds, 15 assists

    Game 5: 7 points (3-15 FG), 6 rebounds, 13 assists, 4 steals

    Game 6: 21 points (8-14 FG), 4 rebounds, 10 assists

    Game 7: 22 points (10-22 FG), 10 rebounds, 11 assists

    Those are not the numbers of someone along for the ride. When the bright lights turn on, Rondo is a fantastic player. He has consistency issues particularly in games that are not 'important' (there's a reason people kept talking about 'Primetime Rondo' and 'Regular Season Rondo' like they were different players back then), but in a playoff scenario he would definitely be an asset to the team.

    I think this trade is highly unlikely, so I'm going to wimp out of deciding whether or not it's a good idea. But Rondo deserves to have high trade value for the performances he has put in in the past and I think his supposed weaknesses are minor issues in comparison to his very real strengths.

    ST

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    It is certainly a giant question mark. My opinion is Rondo would work well with this roster and would be a nice upgrade at the point (presuming he is fully healthy and hasn't lost a step due to the injury).

    Regarding the playoff concerns--according to basketball-reference.com Rondo has another gear for the playoffs. His numbers improve across the board for every season. The argument that he was surrounded with talent is moot since he will be surrounded with talent here.

    I don't know if giving up Parsons is worth it. The thought of him playing elsewhere is strange.

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    Morey will do Parsons+*=Rondo+* trade. Dork Elvis has no emotion. He ain't a chemistry guy. He just love numbers.

    I don't like Rondo. Don't ask my why. I don't know why I didn't like him. And I love Parsons.

    One thing I can agree is Rondo is a best player in his position but Parsons has too many great/good SF ahead of him.

  • Incubus2803 says 7 months ago

    Rondo is nothing like Rubio. Rubio cant finish at the rim, and cant shoot from anywhere. Rondo has spots where he can be deadly.

    And it wasn't Rondo's selfish assists that caused the Ray Allen beef, it was that Rondo had to stand 30 feet away from the basket and pound the ball while Allen ran off multiple screens to get open. Rondo wants to poke and prod a defense and break it down, not stand still.

    I love Rondo, but he does need the ball to meet his potential value. Harden's role would change some, but Paul Pierce was a ball-dominant guy and that worked fine. Im not 100% in favor of this deal, but if it didn't cost an arm and a leg, I'd get pumped about it.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    Jatman
    You are completely correct. My total and absolute bad. I cannot apologize enough. That is the shot chart for the Celtics team. Here is Rondo's chart from this season.

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    Again, my apologies.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    Not a fan of Rondo (Ray Allen's beef with Rondo dealt with selfish assists-where Rondo holds on to the ball until he gets in position to get the assist).
    Teams will pack the paint in the playoffs with Rondo and with Rubio now-a-days.....can Harden do a better job as a spot up shooter? I love the idea of finally having a guy to lob passes to D12/Harden/Parsons; Harden/Parsons/Lin have done a better job lately- nice having days off between games (saw a stat where Rockets are now 11-1 when they have more than one day off between games....both Thunder games have been 2nd halves of back-to-backs) to work on their games. Typical Ainge asking for 2 first rounders; the Kings offered that & got shot down ......Rockets show interest
    and he demands Parsons be included (from the article I read). IMO the most difficult GM to deal with.


    The word I heard is that Rondo was emphatic about not being willing to re-sign with the Kings. I believe I heard someone say the same comment from Rondo in regards to possibly being traded to Toronto, that no way he would re-sign there, either. Seems pretty clear to me that unless Ainge and the Celtics can find a team willing to pay the steep price AND that Rondo would be willing to re-sign with, that moving Rondo is just a pipe dream.
  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago Noreastern.....what year is your shot chart from? 1802 shots near the rim......couldn't be this year.
  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago Not a fan of Rondo (Ray Allen's beef with Rondo dealt with selfish assists-where Rondo holds on to the ball until he gets in position to get the assist).
    Teams will pack the paint in the playoffs with Rondo and with Rubio now-a-days.....can Harden do a better job as a spot up shooter? I love the idea of finally having a guy to lob passes to D12/Harden/Parsons; Harden/Parsons/Lin have done a better job lately- nice having days off between games (saw a stat where Rockets are now 11-1 when they have more than one day off between games....both Thunder games have been 2nd halves of back-to-backs) to work on their games. Typical Ainge asking for 2 first rounders; the Kings offered that & got shot down ......Rockets show interest
    and he demands Parsons be included (from the article I read). IMO the most difficult GM to deal with.
  • rocketrick says 7 months ago I also would like to add that although I like Rondo, I just don't think he's a good fit with the Rockets. He needs the ball to be effective, just as James Harden needs the ball to be effective. Trading for Rondo would only create JLin 2.0 in my opinion.

    Also, Tommy Heinsohn made a great point that Rondo is best in a uptempo style offense. Although the Rockets do like to run the floor, it's pretty obvious that when the playoffs hit, the Rockets will slow it down and feed D12 or run Harden isolations. Not to mention that opposing defenses always tend to slow down uptempo offenses in the playoffs.
  • rocketrick says 7 months ago Sirius XM NBA Channel 217 had great interviews this afternoon with Phil Jackson, Tommy Heinsohn and Masai Ujiri (Toronto Raptors GM).

    Masai is quite happy with Kyle Lowry so I'd be very surprised if he gets dealt.

    Tommy Heinsohn obviously has a lot of insight into the Boston Celtics and he believes Danny Ainge and the Celtics ownership are committed to building around Rajon Rondo----unless of course an outstanding deal falls in their lap. Rumors I've heard today are that the Celtics desire Chandler Parsons or Gordon Hayward, bigs that can play multiple positions, particularly from the wing.

    I just flat out don't see the Rockets trading away Chandler Parsons (unless for a KD, LeBron James, Paul George---in other words, players that are unavailable for trade).

    Phil Jackson all but said he is done with coaching although he would love the opportunity to be part of an ownership group or become a GM "if the right opportunity presents itself."

    I'll have to see if I can find links to these interviews from earlier today with Mike Dunleavy. Lengthy interviews with lots of great information (although no scoop on forthcoming trades).
  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    I much prefer this shot chart. It more adequately describes the situation.

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    From stats.nba.com.

  • Mitchell Felker says 7 months ago

    Update posted including a Rondo shot chart from the excellent Kirk Goldsberry.

    A starting-5 of Rondo, Harden, Parsons, Jones and Howard would be pretty bad from the free throw stripe, unfortunately, but no 5 is perfect.

    Miami can't rebound or protect the rim.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    Has there ever been a better poster boy than Rondo for riding the coat tails of future HOFers? Just saying.

  • John P says 7 months ago

    I am against the Rondo trade...I think.

    ...but think of what he brings:
    1) Championship and deep playoff experience
    2) Driven to win....not coast, not take off plays, not to play only one side of the game, etc...
    3) wing defense
    4) similar to #2, backbone
    5) ability to call out other players, who will remain nameless, who don't have a fire under their butts to play defense....

    All of that being said, for Asik, Dmo or Jones and a pick...maybe....but it woudl also have to include a big man to help backup Dwight.
    If you include CP...that seems like a non-starter. Not that CP is untouchable, but that is a huge change to this team and their heart that may be too much. Plus I just love the guy as a rocket

  • SadLakerFan says 7 months ago I haven't followed Rondo in a couple of years, but has he learned to either shoot the 3 or sink free throws? If not, then he would be a terrible addition - imagine crunch time with him and Dwight on the floor.
  • Mitchell Felker says 7 months ago Lin would become an almost full-time shooting guard is my guess. But the Lin-Beverley lineups have been quite productive when both are healthy. Update coming to the post shortly
  • Knickabokkaz says 7 months ago What surprises me is Lin isn't included in this trade? That's odd...

    "Houston also possesses draft picks to deal and a cache of young players beyond Parsons -- such as disgruntled (and very available) big man Omer Asik along with the likes of Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones and Donatas Motiejunas -- to try to tempt the Celtics."

    http://dlvr.it/4z0CQW
  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    No way in hell.