What do the Rockets need from the power forward position?

We know what the power forward does. He’s the scoring big man, the player next to the center who helps corral rebounds and scores the ball in and around the paint. He’s big, powerful, methodical and hopefully plays some defense. He can probably shoot a bit better than the center, and sometimes might even have a three point shot. That’s what you get out of the power forward, isn’t it?

We all know better, too. Positions mean less and less each season, and different teams have deeply different needs and rosters. The traditional, plodding big man ideal of the power forward is being interred as we speak, and the Rockets are happy to throw dirt on the grave. The Houston Rockets don’t have a traditional power forward because they don’t need or even want a traditional power forward. What they do need from that position is complicated and nontraditional, much like the Rockets themselves.

First and foremost, the Rockets need shooting. They need shooting from the point guard, the shooting guard, the small forward and even the power forward. If Houston’s offense is to work, every player except the center needs to be able to camp out at the three point line and set some screens if need be. Shooting keeps defenses honest, and honest defenses can’t pack the paint. Without a packed paint, Dwight Howard and James Harden can use their pick and roll prowess to sow chaos and reap piles of points. All of this goes back to being a credible three point threat, a skill which Houston spends time and effort finding.

The next most important ability the second-tallest player needs to accomplish is simple in concept: Defense. If a power forward can’t guard the opposing power forward, a defensive hole arises. Like water coming through a levee, opposing offenses will quickly attack that spot until the entire structure collapses. While a small ball style lineup with a Chandler Parsons at the four may excel on offense, the defensive liabilities add up. Larger players will simply back down any wings who might be masquerading as bigs. The curious thing about this need is that it’s possible to spread it across the five players on the floor, unlike something like shooting. If Garcia, for example, is able to defend effectively at the perimeter, Dwight Howard or Ömer Aşık can prioritize sticking to the largest post threat. As long as a player on the floor is able to cope with each defensive assignment, those assignments need not align with the positions as we understand them.

The last function the power forward spot will have this year for Houston is as an overflow valve for the center position. Dwight Howard and Ömer Aşık both command starter’s minutes. In order to reach the maximum number of minutes for Aşık, the Rockets will have to slide him in next to Dwight Howard at times. It may be a disaster on offense, but that situation features brutal interior defense. This means that the power forward spot won’t have as many minutes free for the starter and bench player, which on another team may have caused a problem on its own. In Houston, a group of young, unproven players make up that rotation. Unproven, role player type players are the lowest maintenance in that regard, as their minutes demands are liable to be much lower.

When all of this is looked at holistically, a pattern emerges. This type of shooting, defensively versatile, undemanding player is perfect for a small ball lineup. A particularly large three can fulfill these requirements, which begins to make Terrence Jones and Donatas Motiejunas expendable. Chandler Parsons, Omri Casspi or Francisco Garcia suddenly look like not only options at the the four, but as viable starters. Any of them can shoot, all three are big enough to passably defend most opposing bigs, and the ability to slide them to the small forward positions allows Aşık to absorb as many minutes per night as they care to let him. The Houston Rockets don’t need a normal bruiser down low. They need the stretch four of the future, and there’s a decent chance the future is already in Houston.

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  • sircharles says 10 months ago

    rose dominated the year he won MVP, he definitely deserved it. Also, deng can create his own shot.

    Also, if you have a PG like rose and he is getting "shut down" he still would have the option to pass. You're either going to take his shot away from him or his pass, not both. He is surrounded by shooters and has pretty decent bigs(as boozer showed last night).

    and Dallas won because they had the greatest superstar of all time.....Peja.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Kid terry Marion all could step up to give Allstar numbers on any given night. Bulls don't have players like that.

    :huh: :huh:you're kidding right. Kidd was only a shell of his self and Terry and Marion were role players. at the time Dallas won the championship Dirk was the only player playing at all star level. as for your issue with the bulls that was countered by Cooper and I agree with that view.

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    What makes 2011 Kidd terry and Marion better than Deng Noah boozer and butler?

    Good point! It's funny how advocates of Roses MVP like to cite his "lack of help" lol. That MVP should have gone to Dwight

  • Cooper says 10 months ago What makes 2011 Kidd terry and Marion better than Deng Noah boozer and butler?
  • Buckko says 10 months ago Kid terry Marion all could step up to give Allstar numbers on any given night. Bulls don't have players like that.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Dallas had many players who could create their own shot and could step as Allstar caliber players when need be like the 04 pistons but I just don't see that, Noah is the only other player that can run an offense but still can't create his own shot.

    true Dallas had players who could create their own shot, but besides Dirk which one was superstar caliber?

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Dallas had many players who could create their own shot and could step as Allstar caliber players when need be like the 04 pistons but I just don't see that, Noah is the only other player that can run an offense but still can't create his own shot.
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Not in the last 10 years and if you are going to refer to the 2011 Mavericks, then I disagree because they didn't just have Dirk, but many potent offensive weapons who could create their own shot which the Bulls lack. Modern defense has made it impossible for you to win with just one guy.

    who was Dallas's second superstar? Yes they had some very good players around Dirk, but he was the only superstar. your statement said you can't win it without 2 superstars......I'm saying Dallas just did a couple of years ago that which you said can't be done

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Not in the last 10 years and if you are going to refer to the 2011 Mavericks, then I disagree because they didn't just have Dirk, but many potent offensive weapons who could create their own shot which the Bulls lack. Modern defense has made it impossible for you to win with just one guy.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    But, not impossible, that's why you need at least 2 superstars to win it all.

    while 2 stars do make the task easier it's not absolutely necessary. very good teams constructed around one supreme talent have ripped off a few too.

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    But, not impossible, that's why you need at least 2 superstars to win it all.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    If you shutdown Rose however, you shut down the bulls offense.

    true, but that is a much more difficult task

  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    If you shutdown Rose however, you shut down the bulls offense.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    Totally agree--the East is very top-heavy. I also think the Knicks and Wizards will give a couple of those top teams a run for their money in the playoffs. Still, I like the Pacers. They've had some great post-season experience the last two seasons and I think this is their year to break through. Unless Michael Beasley and Greg Oden find a way to be better than their usual selves the Heat did not get better. Meanwhile, those other three teams did. I think Indiana will put Granger in a Manu-type 6th man role and allow him to lead the second unit with Scola, Mahinmi, Copeland and Watson--which doesn't sound like much, but I think should be quite effective as a second unit.

    I think Indiana can take out Miami this year also, but they are unlikely to see them unless Chicago wins the best record for the east. if Indiana has to go through Chicago to get to Miami they will have fallen short because I don't think they can beat Chicago. After watching us play them overseas................they are a top level defensive team, but just a slightly above average offensive team. usually very good defensive teams really hate being played in their own style. we did that to them and they were unable counter what we did to them. Last year when we played them in the regular season Hibbert went all world on us......28 points 13 rebounds. with D-12 able to shut Hibbert down we reduced them to a jump shooting team which is not their strength. Chicago has Noah who should be able to do Hibbert much the same as Howard did. the key to stopping them is shutdown Hibbert. that's why they need Granger to find his old form. without him and a shutdown Hibbert they can't keep up offensively

  • Buckko says 10 months ago Wouldn't surprise me if he destroys his knee in the first game, then again I expect that sooner then later.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Oden ends up playing 10-15 min a game in the postseason. I don't think he will help out much in the regular season though.
  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    It's pretty bold to predict that it will be the Pacers who win the East this season. They certainly will contend, but with a healthy Derrick Rose playing again, don't count out Chicago and their tough minded Head Coach Thibodeau who challenged the Miami Heat 2 seasons ago. New Jersey Nets also have a chance if they can figure out things with all the veteran talent there this season. The Miami Heat are not going to just simply fade away. Somebody is going to have to knock them out over the course of a 7-game series. As always, key injuries to any team could decimate their opportunities to challenge for the crown this season.

    Totally agree--the East is very top-heavy. I also think the Knicks and Wizards will give a couple of those top teams a run for their money in the playoffs. Still, I like the Pacers. They've had some great post-season experience the last two seasons and I think this is their year to break through. Unless Michael Beasley and Greg Oden find a way to be better than their usual selves the Heat did not get better. Meanwhile, those other three teams did. I think Indiana will put Granger in a Manu-type 6th man role and allow him to lead the second unit with Scola, Mahinmi, Copeland and Watson--which doesn't sound like much, but I think should be quite effective as a second unit.

  • rocketrick says 10 months ago

    I very much agree with the above--well said Drew. As I've said before--I think the Pacers are going to the finals this year. Having Asik on board (despite our pre-season dominance over them) will be very valuable should we get there.

    It's pretty bold to predict that it will be the Pacers who win the East this season. They certainly will contend, but with a healthy Derrick Rose playing again, don't count out Chicago and their tough minded Head Coach Thibodeau who challenged the Miami Heat 2 seasons ago. New Jersey Nets also have a chance if they can figure out things with all the veteran talent there this season. The Miami Heat are not going to just simply fade away. Somebody is going to have to knock them out over the course of a 7-game series. As always, key injuries to any team could decimate their opportunities to challenge for the crown this season.

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    I love that you feel that way. I'm not so sure. They are deep, talented, well coached, and are very strong at our weakest position--power forward.

    A lot depends on how much Granger brings to the table as well as Hibbert. If Granger is even 80% of what he was and Hibbert can improve then I think they are going to be tough to beat over 7 games. They have some depth on that roster too.

    Of course, the same goes for us--If lin and Bev each take steps as well as Parsons and Harden while Dwight returns to form we are looking really good. Presuming somebody can play PF for us we will be on the same level as them.

    Right now, it's hard to say. We'll be re-visiting this throughout the season--I have no doubt about that :D

    They have a weakness too, and that weakness is a lack of penetration from the guards. Paul George is a defensive stud but offensively he's not even in Harden' s league. Pacers rely way too much on the double teams their big men draw, but with the Dwight's interior defense I'm not worried one bit. From what I saw Terrence Jones isn't a bad interior defense either, he can make West work very hard for his points without double team help.

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    I love that you feel that way. I'm not so sure. They are deep, talented, well coached, and are very strong at our weakest position--power forward.

    A lot depends on how much Granger brings to the table as well as Hibbert. If Granger is even 80% of what he was and Hibbert can improve then I think they are going to be tough to beat over 7 games. They have some depth on that roster too.

    Of course, the same goes for us--If lin and Bev each take steps as well as Parsons and Harden while Dwight returns to form we are looking really good. Presuming somebody can play PF for us we will be on the same level as them.

    Right now, it's hard to say. We'll be re-visiting this throughout the season--I have no doubt about that :D

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking....I think we have a great shot at making the finals ourselves. The playoffs are a long ways off--injuries, trades, and team chemistry have to play out before we have a realistic idea of the challenge before us. Even then, playoff seeding will be a factor. I've got high hopes and think we can get into the finals with a little luck. Once there, having the extra big body of Asik will be a difference maker in my opinion. I think he can guard either of Hibbert or West effectively. This could leave Dwight free to play help defense and alter/block lots of shots. Even if he is only used as "an extra 6 fouls" that will be huge. With no Asik, after Dwight there is not much to put up against their huge front line. Of course, that presumes one of our PF's doesn't figure out NBA defense by then....so many questions!!! :blink:

    No disrespect to the Pacers who are a defensive juggernaut with decent offense, but we're better than them imo.

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    So if the Pacers are going to the finals past the defending champs where does that put us?

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking....I think we have a great shot at making the finals ourselves. The playoffs are a long ways off--injuries, trades, and team chemistry have to play out before we have a realistic idea of the challenge before us. Even then, playoff seeding will be a factor. I've got high hopes and think we can get into the finals with a little luck. Once there, having the extra big body of Asik will be a difference maker in my opinion. I think he can guard either of Hibbert or West effectively. This could leave Dwight free to play help defense and alter/block lots of shots. Even if he is only used as "an extra 6 fouls" that will be huge. With no Asik, after Dwight there is not much to put up against their huge front line. Of course, that presumes one of our PF's doesn't figure out NBA defense by then....so many questions!!! :blink:

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    I very much agree with the above--well said Drew. As I've said before--I think the Pacers are going to the finals this year. Having Asik on board (despite our pre-season dominance over them) will be very valuable should we get there.

    So if the Pacers are going to the finals past the defending champs where does that put us?

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    I very much agree with the above--well said Drew. As I've said before--I think the Pacers are going to the finals this year. Having Asik on board (despite our pre-season dominance over them) will be very valuable should we get there.

  • Drew in Abilene says 10 months ago

    Going back to the original question, my best answer would be "versatility." Are there times when we need the 4 to be a strong defender who can handle the likes of a David West? Yes. Will there be times when what the Rockets need is someone who can hit open threes to stretch the defense out, thus giving the rest of the stars more room to work? Yes. Do they need a guy who isn't paid a whole heckuva lot of money and doesn't mind a dip in usage rate because of Howard, Harden, Parsons, and so on? Of course. All these things factor in as needs for the power forward slot. This need for versatility is why I'm an advocate of standing pat and not trading Asik for a more standard power forward.

    Jones and Motiejunas are young, energetic players who'll play hard, eat minutes, and stay out of the way of the stars. Neither are great, but neither take much off the table. They are still improving, and give the Rockets assets that continue to grow in value, whether they end up here or traded.

    Asik may not work well in ten minutes playing with Howard against many teams, but he will be invaluable during the playoffs if/when we run into the Grizzlies, Spurs, or Pacers. The Heat showed us how teams with strong interiors have the ability to punish teams that like to go small by being pushed to the brink in two straight series. I'd much rather be in the position to unleash that kind of game, as opposed to worrying about dealing with the fallout if we're forced to counter bigs with smallball. Not that we can't utilize smallball, but I'd love to have an alternative so our shooters don't get gassed like Battier did after guarding West.

    Casspi looks like a revelation so far in the preseason. Even if/when his production dips, he and Parsons can aptly man the power forward spot in our smallball lineups, and both can be deadly from long range, giving us the spacing, 3-point threat, and passable defense needed for those minutes.

    I realize that this isn't as sexy of an idea as trading for a Kevin Love, and LMA, or even someone like Ryan Anderson. But none of those guys check all the boxes of what the Rockets need. My belief is that no one player fits everything we need, but that we have a mix of players who can each step in and check the needed box on a given night. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think power forward by committee will give the Rockets the versatility to match up with anyone in the playoffs.

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    personally I don't want Farried. I like him as a player, but the last thing we need is another undersized PF who can't also absorb some minutes at backupcenter.............besides he doesn't have a jumper. we would have the same problem we have now with Asik....floor spacing. Farried is a nice open court player, but in the half court he is useless offensively. I like the rebounding, but his defense is also suspect.........why do you think Denver is willing to move him

    Yup--totally agree. He makes great, Sportscenter-worthy plays, but he is not going to take your team to the top of the mountain. He gets the crowd excited, but not the coach. If we were in a different stage of development I'd be all for it, but we are primed to take the throne. No thanks.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    personally I don't want Farried. I like him as a player, but the last thing we need is another undersized PF who can't also absorb some minutes at backupcenter.............besides he doesn't have a jumper. we would have the same problem we have now with Asik....floor spacing. Farried is a nice open court player, but in the half court he is useless offensively. I like the rebounding, but his defense is also suspect.........why do you think Denver is willing to move him

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    Anyway we could get lawson in the deal? :)

    We already have Brooks though :ph34r:

  • bearkat414 says 10 months ago

    Anyway we could get lawson in the deal? :)

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago I would want Hamilton thrown in. He's being underutilized in Denver.
  • Cooper says 10 months ago

    Farried is rumored available....what do you think about him as an option? Rebounds well and shoots under the basket.

    the nuggies would have to find someone to take McGee which is unlikely
  • Cooper says 10 months ago

    Why would the Rockets even entertain the notion of trading Asik? He provides two incredibly important things for the team: if Howard goes down for any length of time the Rockets will still handily make the playoffs and Asik provides 48 minutes of paint protection. There is no PF short of someone like Bosh who could have anywhere near that impact.


    It isn't impossible to pickup a backup center that can play solid defense.
  • bearkat414 says 10 months ago

    I would necessarily be down for Asik for him straight up either, but Asik isnt the only talented player on the roster.

  • NorEastern says 10 months ago

    Why would the Rockets even entertain the notion of trading Asik? He provides two incredibly important things for the team: if Howard goes down for any length of time the Rockets will still handily make the playoffs and Asik provides 48 minutes of paint protection. There is no PF short of someone like Bosh who could have anywhere near that impact.

  • bearkat414 says 10 months ago

    Farried is rumored available....what do you think about him as an option? Rebounds well and shoots under the basket.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    What about Asik/Lin for Wallace/Olynyk/Lee? I don't see the Celtics getting rid of Olynyk unless they can shed Crash's contract. This would also give them a PG so they can trade Rondo.

    I wouldn't touch Wallace............that's like flushing money down the toilet. any deal including him is a non-starter for me. Boston doesn't have anything good enough to make me OK with accepting his contract. besides he has 3 more years on that anvil of a contract :lol:

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago

    I'd rather trade Asik for Courtney Lee and Kelly Olynick and a draft pick. Nothing spectacular. It gives us a solid back-up SG (who Dwight likes) and a high-upside big on a good contract. I fully expect you guys to poo-poo this idea. :P

    What about Asik/Lin for Wallace/Olynyk/Lee? I don't see the Celtics getting rid of Olynyk unless they can shed Crash's contract. This would also give them a PG so they can trade Rondo.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I'd rather trade Asik for Courtney Lee and Kelly Olynick and a draft pick. Nothing spectacular. It gives us a solid back-up SG (who Dwight likes) and a high-upside big on a good contract. I fully expect you guys to poo-poo this idea. :P

    :lol: :lol:poo-poo.......not quite. actually I kind of like it. I have been watching this kid Olynick and the kid has game. C-Lee is a useful player within our rotation and the draft pick allows us to keep building from within. however if that draft pick isn't in the 2014 loaded draft class then I would have to reconsider.

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    I'd rather trade Asik for Courtney Lee and Kelly Olynick and a draft pick. Nothing spectacular. It gives us a solid back-up SG (who Dwight likes) and a high-upside big on a good contract. I fully expect you guys to poo-poo this idea. :P

  • rocket2789 says 10 months ago

    trade thought - assuming asik is traded come trade deadline why not package asik, tjones, and smith to the kings for landry, hayes, and salmons. salaries match.. Landry should recover from his injury and would be a huge spark off the bench. hayes can play spot-up minutes at center and play the 4 next to D12 and provide the rockets with shut down defense. Salmons can play the 2/3 but would be insurance. overall the rockets get a true pf in landry who can start or come off the bench and the chuckwagon will shut down elite 4's. line-up

    lin/bev/ab

    harden/brewer/salmons

    parsons/Garcia/casspi/Covington

    dmo/landry/hayes

    D12/camby/hayes

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    The Rockets need little from their PF. Below average defense. Below average rebounding. Hitting the three at a 32% clip. Defending the likes of West and Zach who would make road kill out of Casspi or Parsons. But what is much more interesting is what the Rockets do not need from their PF. Shots. There are not enough of those to go around. The Rockets offense is dominated by players who can score. Every shot taken by the PF is one less shot for Harden, Howard, Parsons ... Only one ball and one basket.

    The other thing the Rockets need from the PF position is cheap.

    I mostly agree with this......especially the cheap part :lol:

  • NorEastern says 10 months ago The Rockets need little from their PF. Below average defense. Below average rebounding. Hitting the three at a 32% clip. Defending the likes of West and Zach who would make road kill out of Casspi or Parsons. But what is much more interesting is what the Rockets do not need from their PF. Shots. There are not enough of those to go around. The Rockets offense is dominated by players who can score. Every shot taken by the PF is one less shot for Harden, Howard, Parsons ... Only one ball and one basket.

    The other thing the Rockets need from the PF position is cheap.
  • Smoothgrandmama says 10 months ago Sounds like most of you want Carl Landry......
  • Buckko says 10 months ago

    Casspi is a bench player, an effective bench player and not a starter. He wouldn't due too good against starting caliber PFs. He doesn't have Delfino's build.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    D. Ferrell----------Welcome to the best Rockets forum in the universe!

    I am speechless and breathless after your post, yet, keep in mind the game has changed from when the Rockets won back to back championships to the current day. Stretch 4 back in the 1990's wasn't even a thought, much less reality with any of the teams of that time.

    I clearly remember the back to back championships and your post brought back wonderful memories.

    I disagree. the stretch four was born here in clutch city. during the second championship who was our PF? if you said anything other than Robert Horry you are mistaken, because that's who played the position while Elie held down the SF position

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    I really hate the term "stretch 4". It just helps to have a PF who can stretch the floor to 23 feet, but for some reason the term stretch 4 is associated with SF's who play the 4 so guys like Robert Horry supposedly isn't a stretch 4.. what a pointless term lol

  • rocketrick says 10 months ago D. Ferrell----------Welcome to the best Rockets forum in the universe!

    I am speechless and breathless after your post, yet, keep in mind the game has changed from when the Rockets won back to back championships to the current day. Stretch 4 back in the 1990's wasn't even a thought, much less reality with any of the teams of that time.

    I clearly remember the back to back championships and your post brought back wonderful memories.
  • It's Dee Way Ferrell says 10 months ago That's injury to insult.
    My fondest memory of the 1st championship year. That team featured Thorpe & the Dream, two low post players remind you. A defensive minded 3 pt shooting wing, a crafty 2, double edged pg rotation.
    But the most exhilarating time of that year for 18 straight games I seen Mad Max, The Jet, & E.T. all 3 punched it in every time on a break. Man as a bright kid understanding the effects with which a dunks mean. We ended up 17-1 during that run. But it also meant 'we mean business', played hard, ran hard, true we ran out of steam before the season ended, traded for the Kiss of Death, & finished how we started. Soon as we got in the playoffs, now including the K.O.D. with Mad Max, The Jet, & E.T., brought back the Punch Brothers on the breaks during the playoffs. The rest is history. That wa$ a mentality. That wa$ when clutch wa$ born. That wa$ when BELIEVE wa$ born, & WE BELIEVE was reincarnated.

    Ye of little faith said Jesus to his disciples why are you so faithless.

    I myself am ashamed. That you consider all these other alleys, & hadn't yet seen the fruits of our harvest. I have more love for the Rox than I do the texans, but if Rox fans act like Tex fans, we don't deserve championships. We're so eager to turn our backs on them because they get paid hundred thousands to multi-millions, but in reality we chose not 2 be in their shoes, we chose safer routes in life, they chose money, fame &/or championships. Keep Asik & Lin & we'll win rings
  • rocketrick says 10 months ago After seeing the Rockets play earlier tonight, I am more comfortable with our roster in terms of the PF position. It should be renamed the Stretch 4 position, though, as that is what this position has evolved into over the past few years in the NBA with only a couple of exceptions league wide.

    I believe Casspi can handle a heavy workload at the PF spot, at least in the early part of the season, until one of our sophomores steps up to become a reliable starter. Even in stating this, it seems possible to me that one of the sophomores may be inserted in the starting lineup for a few minutes in both opening halves. I think Casspi is going to be more effective for us coming off the bench and can handle some time on the floor with Francisco Garcia, D12 or Asik, and 2 of our guards, be it Harden, Lin or Beverly, which would give Parsons time for a breather. I really like the 8-man rotation, plus one, that I think the Rockets are headed for to begin this season.

    It would be helpful if the Rockets could find one more dependable swingman to cover for inevitable injuries that will come during the season. Brewer may be worth hanging onto for his defensive prowess. He made one excellent steal in his limited time on the floor in tonight's game and was a whisker away from a second steal. I'm not certain if Reggie is going to make the roster, he may have missed too much of the pre-season already and didn't show much in tonight's game I his limited playing time.

    In my mind, the ideal trade for Asik may now be for a more dependable 3 who can fill in, hit 3's, play stellar defense and just be consistent along with either a stretch 4 or a solid (and cheaper) backup for D12. If Camby can come back and give the Rockets some steady backup C minutes, then that should allow the Rockets to have more flexibility going forward with Asik.
  • ale11 says 10 months ago

    Milwaukee have already commited themselves on Sanders, so I'm not sure they are interested in acquiring Asik....

  • Losthief says 10 months ago

    Why is there no mention for Ilyasova here? He's a pretty decent defender, not elite but definitely above average, and he's an absolute sniper from 3.

    honestly i forgot him lol.

    I'd rate him minus rebounder, average defender, +shooter, +range

  • timetodienow1234567 says 10 months ago 1) On ball defense
    2) 18 foot jumper
    3) Help defense
    4) 3 point shot
    5) Rebounding
    6) Ability to play C for short stretches
    7) PnR
    8) Cutting
    9) Passing
    10) Toughness
  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I really like Ilyasova..........a lot, but can he play backup center? NO.........so how is he that much of an upgrade. we already have players who can perform Ilyasova's strengths so why would we give up Asik to duplicate skillsets. if it comes down to moving Asik we should be looking to add new skillsets rather than duplicating ones that already exist within the team. I would much rather (if we go with the small ball lineup as the bread and butter lineup) put Casspi there and use Asik to add a new wrinkle. if we are not trading for a star player at the 4 spot I would rather ride it out with Asik whether he's happy or not. the defensive gains from Asik outweigh bringing in more PF's to help further clog the position if not receiving a star player there. also I don't think we can overlook this point. with Camby's unsettled status, whatever player we bring in needs to be able to play center in a pinch. that will give us greater balance and more options to play with

  • Rahat Huq says 10 months ago

    Ilyasova needs to be a target and is an under the radar guy.

    I think I'd actually prefer someone who can shoot and also sort of handle the rock (like Chandler) while realizing that player would give up size. Hell, to that end, what about just playing Chandler at the 4 and trading for an All-Star level small forward? If all 4 of your perimeter players can handle the ball, you can run alot of interesting misdirection pick and rolls...and I think you make up what you lose on the other end.

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    its DIrk imho. Dirk is a average to plus rebounder, average defender, +shooter, + range

    Bosh is a average rebounder, a plus defender (he's great on help d), + shooter, average range

    Love is a plus rebounder, not a plus defender, + shooter, + range

    Aldridge is average defender, minus rebounder, + shooter, average range.

    If channing fyre could play d or rebound he'd be worth getting...but alas if wishes were true....

    yeah....rangy stretch 4's with good defense who can anchor the defense when howard isn't in there (assuming we have to give up asik in a trade, we need someone who can do replace that at least marginally), are just not in abundance.

    I like bosh and aldridge for there ability to (at least to a small degree) anchor the defense better than the others if we lose omer. Ideally a 3 team trade involving a back-up defensive anchor (a la bogut, robin lopez, etc etc) and a solid defending stretch four would be ideal, which is why im sure we haven't jumped the gun yet on omer.

    Why is there no mention for Ilyasova here? He's a pretty decent defender, not elite but definitely above average, and he's an absolute sniper from 3.

  • Losthief says 10 months ago

    its DIrk imho. Dirk is a average to plus rebounder, average defender, +shooter, + range

    Bosh is a average rebounder, a plus defender (he's great on help d), + shooter, average range

    Love is a plus rebounder, not a plus defender, + shooter, + range

    Aldridge is average defender, minus rebounder, + shooter, average range.

    If channing fyre could play d or rebound he'd be worth getting...but alas if wishes were true....

    yeah....rangy stretch 4's with good defense who can anchor the defense when howard isn't in there (assuming we have to give up asik in a trade, we need someone who can do replace that at least marginally), are just not in abundance.

    I like bosh and aldridge for there ability to (at least to a small degree) anchor the defense better than the others if we lose omer. Ideally a 3 team trade involving a back-up defensive anchor (a la bogut, robin lopez, etc etc) and a solid defending stretch four would be ideal, which is why im sure we haven't jumped the gun yet on omer.

  • John P says 10 months ago

    who is the best 3pt shooting 4 that has good D? Does that person exist. I know it isn't LMA. Is it Love or Bosh? My guess is Bosh is decent at D, having had to buy into LeBron's committment to win but who knows. It usually seems that great D players end up not being great defenders.

  • rockets best fan says 10 months ago

    I waited for a bit before responding to this post because I'm still sorting out how I feel about the points being raised within this post. I see the advantage of running small ball against some teams and I can see the point raised that Asik can be bought in against bigger teams. however I am not so quick to cast aside the benefit I think T-Jones and D-Mo can provide. within the first unit whoever plays PF isn't going to need to score that much. they only need to be aefficient scorer so as to keep opposing defenses honest. what's much more critical is defense and rebounding. I am not sure that our small ball crew can produce that result regularly. I'm more a fan of bringing Casspi in from the bench to help balance the scoring load within the second unit. there is no doubt at that the position will be handled by committee for awhile, but this Asik Howard pairing is still the biggest linchpin in seeking a true direction at the position

  • thejohnnygold says 10 months ago

    Our offense was deadly when Delfino was at the 4 last season, but we also gave up a lot of defense, so I guess the ideal 4 would be someone who can give us the good of Delfino without the bad. Personally I think Casspi is a step in the right direction, it's not the huge leap we would have with someone like Ilyasova but for the league minimum we're definitely getting our money's worth. Just think, Rashard Lewis got a $180 million contract for basically doing what Casspi can do at the 4 (Casspi shoots 44% on corner 3's).

    When you put it that way Lewis' contract sounds awful (and it mostly was)....His game dropped off considerably once he got paid and went to Orlando. Check out Basketball Reference's page on him--especially the last 3 years in Seattle. They've added a new stat called "3 pt. attempt rate" it's the percentage of shots he takes behind the arc in reference to his total shots taken. Once he got to Orlando it went up 40-50% from where it was.

    I'm really excited about Casspi too. I agree, getting him for the league minimum may prove to be the best steal of the off-season (Dwight excluded).

  • 2016Champions says 10 months ago

    Our offense was deadly when Delfino was at the 4 last season, but we also gave up a lot of defense, so I guess the ideal 4 would be someone who can give us the good of Delfino without the bad. Personally I think Casspi is a step in the right direction, it's not the huge leap we would have with someone like Ilyasova but for the league minimum we're definitely getting our money's worth. Just think, Rashard Lewis got a $180 million contract for basically doing what Casspi can do at the 4 (Casspi shoots 44% on corner 3's).