The Red94 Podcast: On the Lin Tweet and the Melo Meeting

In today’s episode, I discuss the grave injustice suffered by Jeremy Lin as well as the team’s long-awaited meeting with Carmelo Anthony.


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  • melvimbe says 2 weeks ago

    I know this issue should die already, but I'm going to talk about it anyway since I didn't see this point brought up. The meaning of the phrase 'turn the other cheek' is basically to not retaliate. It's the opposite reaction of 'an eye for an eye'. It doesn't mean you aren't hurt, emotionally or otherwise, just that you don't whine about it, you don't attempt to hurt those that hurt you. So what exactly was Lin's tweet about, if not a form or retaliation? You cannot declare to the world that you are turning the other cheek, as the act of doing so is in fact not turning the other cheek.

    I get the sentiment that Lin is a classy guy, since he stays out of trouble and is generally a good guy. However, classy also means that you don't get caught up and emotional about the little things.

  • YaoMan says 2 weeks ago

    People, get over it. It's not even a diss and I like Lin as both a player and individual. I don't think he's an all star or anything great but he is a competent player who thrives in right system and like JG said, could be a Brandon Jennings type of player. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't fit here. As Rahat said, where was the outrage when Bosh was courted years ago with Luis Scola's number jersey? It's just a presentation using his (Melo's) current number from the Knicks. I think it's something ESPN ran with to try to get more "hype". Everyone's been reading for days how Asik and Lin would be offloaded for a shot at Melo, Love, Bosh, James, Lowry, etc, etc. so it's no mystery that they want to add an impact player to the current roster.

  • Willk says 2 weeks ago

    How is Jeremy Lin's agents lying about Morey letting them know that they would be using his number in a photo-shopped poster for Melo going to make Jeremy Lin more money? I fail to connect the two?

    Please explain your air tight logic.

    How do you know Morey did not contact Lin's agents before photo-shop-gate and the agents said they assume it is ok? Morey is a high character guy, so why would he lie?

  • Willk says 2 weeks ago

    Lets not "mis-remember" what happened. The Knicks never offered Lin a contract. Its not like they made an offer, he declined and went to the Rockets. He didn't take the most punitive contract possible to the Knicks, he took the ONLY contract he was offered. Imagine you're an NBA player who has been cut three times (Dallas, GSW, Houston) in the last 2 years and a team offers you $25 million guaranteed, of course you take it.

    He didn't disrespect the Knicks by leaving, he had one option and he took it. And when it comes to the Knicks there's nothing Punitive about money. Its funny how people think the contract offered by the Rockets was too expensive for the Knicks however last year the Knicks took on Andrea Bargnani contract which was $11.8 million for 2013-14 and $11.5 million for 2014-15. Thats basically the same amount of money paid to Bargnani over two years that they wouldve had to pay Lin over 3 years.

    Are you serious? Do you really think that a person with the morals and character of Jeremy Lin would let his agents lie on his behalf to make him look better?

    Yes, that is what agents do. Creating false information is a big part of an agents job. Lets not pretend Lin is a saint. Playersand teams have to look out for themselves.

  • Willk says 2 weeks ago

    Wrong. There was talk that was what Houston would offer. Houston however offered 3 yrs $25m (5,5,15). So are you suggesting someone should say "no, no, give me the 4 yr $30m deal instead? As you say business is business, and Lin ain't got stupid advisors.

    The point is you cannot complain when Houston is doing what they think is best for them, when Lin did what he thought was best for himself in NY.

  • Willk says 2 weeks ago

    @jg wanna say my goodbye! imma miss all of you when Lins gone. Gonna be boring not fighting with all of you

    It will be interesting what name you come up with when you return again.

  • webattorney says 2 weeks ago

    Just a diss, not a "grave injustice". But to say that he should not complain because he makes lots of money like all NBA players and because he's not a super-star is missing the point. If Rockets just said "It was a bad form by us", then it wouldn't have been a big deal. Also, the media, having an agenda, obviously is using this incident to attack Rockets, not necessarily supporting Lin per se. However, let's call a spade a spade; Rockets is the one who screwed up first. Question: what is the likelihood Lin will still be with Rockets next season? He probably will try to play hard because a new K is coming up, but will Rockets give him enough PT? Who will take the place if Harden/Bev gets injured?

  • PhillyCheese says 2 weeks ago

    The first contract Lin was going to sign was 4/30M. The Knicks came out and said they were going to match. Three days later, it turned out that Lin was signing a 3/25M deal he signed.

    Business is business. Money is money. Sorry. Lin's agent is just that an agent, the true filth of sports.

    Wrong. There was talk that was what Houston would offer. Houston however offered 3 yrs $25m (5,5,15). So are you suggesting someone should say "no, no, give me the 4 yr $30m deal instead? As you say business is business, and Lin ain't got stupid advisors.

  • Steven says 3 weeks ago

    How is Jeremy Lin's agents lying about Morey letting them know that they would be using his number in a photo-shopped poster for Melo going to make Jeremy Lin more money? I fail to connect the two?

    Please explain your air tight logic.

    The first contract Lin was going to sign was 4/30M. The Knicks came out and said they were going to match. Three days later, it turned out that Lin was signing a 3/25M deal he signed.

    Business is business. Money is money. Sorry. Lin's agent is just that an agent, the true filth of sports.
  • Knickabokkaz_2 says 3 weeks ago @WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: As Carmelo Anthony completes recruiting visits, he wants to make pitch to Pau Gasol on New York. http://t.co/NU8HroCNXL

    @ESPNSteinLine: If Knicks retain Melo, as so many expect, they've actually got two very peruasive Pau Gasol recruiters: @PhilJackson11 and @josemcalderon8
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 weeks ago I think a trade to Philly would be best. He's a massive upgrade over Anderson and he's got a good pick and roll game that he can show with Noel. Plus he can get as many minutes as he needs to improve. They aren't close to competing so he will be allowed to make mistakes and improve. It's a win/win for both teams. Plus he will have somewhat inflated numbers and can be dealt at the deadline to a contender needing a sixth man for more assets for hinkie.

    Now the price is the big issue. If all it costs us is Capela I'm fine. That seems like a pick Hinkie told Morey to make if they were looking to trade. A future asset.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 weeks ago

    @jg wanna say my goodbye! imma miss all of you when Lins gone. Gonna be boring not fighting with all of you

    I have no doubt you'll be back--Lin or no Lin ;)

  • Knickabokkaz_2 says 3 weeks ago @jg wanna say my goodbye! imma miss all of you when Lins gone. Gonna be boring not fighting with all of you
  • thejohnnygold says 3 weeks ago

    This year when Lin played 30+ min he average 16.7ppg, 4 assts, only 35 games he played 30+ min. And that's with minimal usage rate compared to the guys you've listed. All the guys you've mentioned were starters and primarily ball handlers for their team. So you can say he actually produced more with less opportunity am I right? You know I have a different mindset to how Houston treated Lin. And the positions they almost never put him in to succeed. Before I would say "Lin is a ball dominant guard", now I can say "Lin can play both on and off and as a spot up shooter and his D got a lot better"

    Btw @jg, the record was 25-10 in games he played 30+ min.
    Stat line of 22/7 with no Melo or Harden

    I know the numbers. My opinion is still the same with those numbers in mind. Looks like we will all get to find out sooner than later.

  • Knickabokkaz_2 says 3 weeks ago

    @uojoe82--absolutely agree.

    Most here agree that Lin can produce numbers if he is the lead dog on a team--of course he can. So can lots of other guys. Give me enough shots in an NBA game and I can score too :lol:...might even get some assists and rebounds....maybe a steal...watch out!!! :lol:

    Of course Lin can put up a stat line that is more conducive to that contract. Where people tend to deviate is whether those stats produce wins.

    Brandon Jennings put up 16 & 8 for Detroit. Kyrie Irving put up 21 & 6 for Cleveland. Isiah Thomas had 20 & 6. Brandon Knight 18 & 5. Ty Lawson nearly 18 & 9. Michael Carter Williams nearly 17 & 7 (as a rookie). The same will happen for Lin if he is the lead dog on a team. Solid stat lines that are hollow. Sorry, but that's the reality.

    Your point about the relativity of the player being acquired is spot on.


    This year when Lin played 30+ min he average 16.7ppg, 4 assts, only 35 games he played 30+ min. And that's with minimal usage rate compared to the guys you've listed. All the guys you've mentioned were starters and primarily ball handlers for their team. So you can say he actually produced more with less opportunity am I right? You know I have a different mindset to how Houston treated Lin. And the positions they almost never put him in to succeed. Before I would say "Lin is a ball dominant guard", now I can say "Lin can play both on and off and as a spot up shooter and his D got a lot better"

    Btw @jg, the record was 25-10 in games he played 30+ min.
    Stat line of 22/7 with no Melo or Harden
  • rocketrick says 3 weeks ago

    I wish the rockets were more about the team like the spurs. I think respect goes both ways, and it is apparent that Morey's vision of winning keeps changing. People credited him for finding great underrated players and putting together a moneyball team. Now it's just about getting the player without thinking about team chemistry or the right coach.
    Remember the games in 2012-2013 season? I actually enjoyed watching Patrick Patterson, Lin, Marcus Morris, Asik, Parsons, Harden, Greg Smith, Delfino, and the rest playing team basketball- with 3 point bombs and blowing teams out by 30 points. That one game against the Warriors was amazing to watch, I think we tied the number of 3 pointers made in any reg season game.
    One by one Morey has traded or moved great potential players and we get no further than the 1st round??? Now we are after Carmelo? This guy has never been about team basketball. I don't want to watch 4 guys standing around on offense! We already have that with Harden!
    Going back to respect- this whole thing could have been handled better by management. We all know Lin will be traded as soon as Houston finds their next overpaid/superstar. But he's still a Rocket, so let's keep it respectful. This "don't let the door hit you on the way out, " or "its about money/business" or "he's overpaid" thing is just stupid. Anthony could have been in a Hou jersey with a basketball in front of the uniform or a championship trophy instead of a number. It would have sent the same message. We get it, Houston is about "win now" - Same motto as the Knicks.


    I totally disagree with your post claiming "Morey's vision of winning keeps changing." It's always been about acquiring assets and eventually building a team that can challenge for NBA Titles. Even more, he keeps repeating this over and over and over again.

    Sure, I liked the 2012-2013 team, too, but remember, they were also a first round loser in the playoffs. Since then D12, Beverley, Terrance Jones, Motiejunas, Troy Daniels, etc. have played key roles for the Rockets this past season and in the Playoffs (well, except for Motiejunas on that one).

    So it's not like all these changes continue to result in first round losses for the Rockets in the playoffs.

    Geez, there's only been 1 playoff season since the changes! And is there any doubt in any Rockets fans minds that the 2014-15 roster well be improved as Morey's vision of winning continues?

    All this jabberbox stuff about Jeremy Lin is way overplayed in my opinion. This is coming from one of the forum members who has been in Jeremy Lin's corner from day 1.

    I believe it was on 790 radio the other day where Jeremy made the comment that he understands the business aspect of the NBA and he even stated that 3 years ago he was just battling to make an NBA roster and now it's just about being patient and understanding the process to see where he will be playing this next season. The sportscaster asked him how he felt about that and he said absolutely no doubt, he much preferred to be in the position he is in today than the one he was in 3 years ago.

    Unfortunately, the LOF's will never understand and appreciate this and instead choose to try and make something out of nothing.
  • Dan G says 3 weeks ago

    I still don get it, when did it happen before? Plus, it is never about give his number up or not. What u said seems irrelevant to the situation...

    I agree it is not about whether or not he would give up his number or not. That is not the point I made. My point was I found it ironic that he posted that scripture, which talked about turning the other cheek when someone wrongs you, and then even made a reply tweet saying how much he felt "disrespected." Why not just read the words, do what they say, and take solace that you answer to a higher power? No, he didn't go that route, he had to post his hurt feelings on twitter. I'm not saying what he did was wrong, but I just found it rather tacky and could see the irony in the situation. He made something out of nothing (just like the media did) when he could have just "turned the other cheek."

  • dkh750il says 3 weeks ago

    I wish the rockets were more about the team like the spurs. I think respect goes both ways, and it is apparent that Morey's vision of winning keeps changing. People credited him for finding great underrated players and putting together a moneyball team. Now it's just about getting the player without thinking about team chemistry or the right coach.

    Remember the games in 2012-2013 season? I actually enjoyed watching Patrick Patterson, Lin, Marcus Morris, Asik, Parsons, Harden, Greg Smith, Delfino, and the rest playing team basketball- with 3 point bombs and blowing teams out by 30 points. That one game against the Warriors was amazing to watch, I think we tied the number of 3 pointers made in any reg season game.

    One by one Morey has traded or moved great potential players and we get no further than the 1st round??? Now we are after Carmelo? This guy has never been about team basketball. I don't want to watch 4 guys standing around on offense! We already have that with Harden!

    Going back to respect- this whole thing could have been handled better by management. We all know Lin will be traded as soon as Houston finds their next overpaid/superstar. But he's still a Rocket, so let's keep it respectful. This "don't let the door hit you on the way out, " or "its about money/business" or "he's overpaid" thing is just stupid. Anthony could have been in a Hou jersey with a basketball in front of the uniform or a championship trophy instead of a number. It would have sent the same message. We get it, Houston is about "win now" - Same motto as the Knicks.

  • thejohnnygold says 3 weeks ago

    @uojoe82--absolutely agree.

    Most here agree that Lin can produce numbers if he is the lead dog on a team--of course he can. So can lots of other guys. Give me enough shots in an NBA game and I can score too :lol:...might even get some assists and rebounds....maybe a steal...watch out!!! :lol:

    Of course Lin can put up a stat line that is more conducive to that contract. Where people tend to deviate is whether those stats produce wins.

    Brandon Jennings put up 16 & 8 for Detroit. Kyrie Irving put up 21 & 6 for Cleveland. Isiah Thomas had 20 & 6. Brandon Knight 18 & 5. Ty Lawson nearly 18 & 9. Michael Carter Williams nearly 17 & 7 (as a rookie). The same will happen for Lin if he is the lead dog on a team. Solid stat lines that are hollow. Sorry, but that's the reality.

    Your point about the relativity of the player being acquired is spot on.

  • uojoe82 says 3 weeks ago

    I feel like people are missing the forest for the trees here. Lin did not disrespect the Knicks nor they him when this all happened. The Knicks decided not to overpay and let the market dictate his salary--they could have signed him outright for roughly 4 years/$24M, but decided to let him hit RFA instead. Whoops. Nobody saw the poison pill coming. It put New York in a bind.

    Meanwhile, they actively went out and acquired Raymond Felton (before he was a bum) and Jason Kidd. For Lin, the back court suddenly looks crowded.

    Consider you're his agent. You see that Rockets offer and you tell Jeremy to sign it and sign quickly. They were operating under the "get it while you can" assumption as well as the presumption that Lin was on an upward trajectory and would continue to produce such that the $15M in the last year wouldn't be so atrocious.

    What they didn't consider was what if he regresses? At that point, the dynamics of everything change. You've gone from exciting young player on a great contract destined to lead your team to the promised land to "we've got to get this guy off our books if we want to get better". That's where we are now. I doubt anyone considered what would happen if things didn't go right--I wouldn't have. I would have signed that contract and gone to celebrate. Can you imagine the euphoria of signing a $25M contract to play basketball after not even being sure you were going to make it in the league?

    I don't want to dissect circumstances and cast blame for why Lin isn't producing well enough to warrant the money now. That has been done and it seems there are two very distinct, and opposing, opinions on the matter.

    It doesn't matter. That contract has led us to this point. In hindsight, Lin should have considered this possibility (and maybe he did) and known he could be one of those "bloated expiring deals" used to facilitate trades.

    As for who is lying--the Rockets or the Agents--my guess would be both. Spin Doctors do one thing and it is seldom about the truth.

    Great Response johnny,

    However I would argue that he has regressed. His usage and confidence has regressed but his ability has stayed constant. I'm sure you would agree that if he was a primary ball handler/scorer on an average team he would produce numbers not too far from his Linsanity days. Even during his tenure with the Rockets we've seen instances when Harden is out that Jeremy plays up to his contract.

    Let's also keep in mind that the Rockets are trying to get Lin's contract off the books to get a superstar player. Its not like their trying to trade him so they can get Avery Bradley or Lance Stephenson, rather they're trying to trade him in order to land a top ten NBA player.

    You could go down the list of all the teams in the NBA and they all have numerous players they would give away (and a first round pick) if it meant getting Melo or Lebron.

    For example:

    Would Portland trade Batum, Thomas Robinson and next years first round pick to the Sixers in return for nothing if it meant that they could sign Melo?

    Would the Thunder trade Ibaka and amnesty Perkins if it meant getting Melo?

    Would the Clippers trade Deandrea Jordan, JJ Redick, and Jamal Crawford if it meant getting Melo?

    Would the Spurs trade Ginobil and Splitter if it meant getting Melo? (Probably not)

    Would the Atlanta Hawks trade Milsap if it meant they could sign Melo?

    Would the Pacers not resign Stephenson and trade Hibbert if it meant pairing Paul George with Melo?

    In all the scenarios every team would cut/trade/insult a player if it meant getting Melo. Does that mean that those players are garbage and have no value? Absolutely not.

  • rocketrick says 3 weeks ago Amusing stuff here.

    Anyway, must be a slow week as things simmer slowly here in Houston during the first few days of Free Agency if this topic of Lin somehow being dissed is the topic de jour.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 weeks ago

    I feel like people are missing the forest for the trees here. Lin did not disrespect the Knicks nor they him when this all happened. The Knicks decided not to overpay and let the market dictate his salary--they could have signed him outright for roughly 4 years/$24M, but decided to let him hit RFA instead. Whoops. Nobody saw the poison pill coming. It put New York in a bind.

    Meanwhile, they actively went out and acquired Raymond Felton (before he was a bum) and Jason Kidd. For Lin, the back court suddenly looks crowded.

    Consider you're his agent. You see that Rockets offer and you tell Jeremy to sign it and sign quickly. They were operating under the "get it while you can" assumption as well as the presumption that Lin was on an upward trajectory and would continue to produce such that the $15M in the last year wouldn't be so atrocious.

    What they didn't consider was what if he regresses? At that point, the dynamics of everything change. You've gone from exciting young player on a great contract destined to lead your team to the promised land to "we've got to get this guy off our books if we want to get better". That's where we are now. I doubt anyone considered what would happen if things didn't go right--I wouldn't have. I would have signed that contract and gone to celebrate. Can you imagine the euphoria of signing a $25M contract to play basketball after not even being sure you were going to make it in the league?

    I don't want to dissect circumstances and cast blame for why Lin isn't producing well enough to warrant the money now. That has been done and it seems there are two very distinct, and opposing, opinions on the matter.

    It doesn't matter. That contract has led us to this point. In hindsight, Lin should have considered this possibility (and maybe he did) and known he could be one of those "bloated expiring deals" used to facilitate trades.

    As for who is lying--the Rockets or the Agents--my guess would be both. Spin Doctors do one thing and it is seldom about the truth.

  • uojoe82 says 3 weeks ago

    Yes. Business is business. Money is money.

    How is Jeremy Lin's agents lying about Morey letting them know that they would be using his number in a photo-shopped poster for Melo going to make Jeremy Lin more money? I fail to connect the two?

    Please explain your air tight logic.

  • Steven says 3 weeks ago

    Are you serious? Do you really think that a person with the morals and character of Jeremy Lin would let his agents lie on his behalf to make him look better?


    Yes. Business is business. Money is money.
  • uojoe82 says 3 weeks ago

    If my boss did something that wasn't sensitive to my feelings, I wouldn't tweet about it.

    But... why are we talking about Lin again? We have other players on our team, right?

    This particular discussion forum is about Lin, that's why we're talking about Lin.

  • uojoe82 says 3 weeks ago

    Nope Lin disrespected the Knicks by taking the most punitive contract possible to the Knicks. Very disrespectful since the Knicks were the only team to give Lin a chance.

    Nobody was upset when Scola's number was used. Nobody should be upset about this.

    Seems you are only upset because it is Lin. If you were upset about the Scola thing then there would be some consistency

    Lets not "mis-remember" what happened. The Knicks never offered Lin a contract. Its not like they made an offer, he declined and went to the Rockets. He didn't take the most punitive contract possible to the Knicks, he took the ONLY contract he was offered. Imagine you're an NBA player who has been cut three times (Dallas, GSW, Houston) in the last 2 years and a team offers you $25 million guaranteed, of course you take it.

    He didn't disrespect the Knicks by leaving, he had one option and he took it. And when it comes to the Knicks there's nothing Punitive about money. Its funny how people think the contract offered by the Rockets was too expensive for the Knicks however last year the Knicks took on Andrea Bargnani contract which was $11.8 million for 2013-14 and $11.5 million for 2014-15. Thats basically the same amount of money paid to Bargnani over two years that they wouldve had to pay Lin over 3 years.

    Also, you are assuming Lin's agents are telling the truth not Morey. Agents never lie right?

    Are you serious? Do you really think that a person with the morals and character of Jeremy Lin would let his agents lie on his behalf to make him look better?

  • BrentYen says 3 weeks ago

    The most ironic thing to me about the scripture he used is that he doesn't adhere to the words of the scripture. Instead of saying, "Hey Melo, come to Houston, I'd be happy to give you my number," he gets all butthurt about it. What happened to turning the other cheek and giving a man your shirt when they ask for your cloak? Nooo...you gotta go to twitter and post how "disrespected" you feel. Like many others have said, this sort of thing happens all the time. Sure the Rockets could have handled it differently, but so could've Lin.
    I think he knows his time is up in Houston and he is throwing a little pissy fit on his way out whenever given the opportunity. I've tried really hard to like him and I'll never forget Linsanity, but ever since he's been in Houston, he has been quite a disappointment.


    I still don get it, when did it happen before? Plus, it is never about give his number up or not. What u said seems irrelevant to the situation...
  • majik19 says 3 weeks ago

    Can we get back to basketball? haha.

    Lowry is out of the market - and I'm actually okay with that. I don't think he is a 10 million/year upgrade on Bev, he and McHale clashed anyway, and I'd rather have the flexibility if we don't get another star this year.

    Don't get me wrong - I loved Lowry when he was with the Rockets, and still love his tenacity and ability. And I think 12 mil/year is a pretty fair price (although last year could have been an outlier). But I just didn't want the Rockets to pay him 12 mil/year.

  • qwer says 3 weeks ago

    The only injustice is that Lin still takes up a roster spot, and is going to cost the Rockets a pick in order to get rid of him. Too bad Morey didn't keep Drogic instead.

    LOL, you think Dragic would be the same all star player that he is now playing under McHale and next to a ball dominate Harden? My guess is Dragic lucked out getting out from Houston's situation to a Phoenix situation that allowed him to become a better player.

  • Dusty says 3 weeks ago

    If my boss did something that wasn't sensitive to my feelings, I wouldn't tweet about it.

    But... why are we talking about Lin again? We have other players on our team, right?

  • Dan G says 3 weeks ago

    The most ironic thing to me about the scripture he used is that he doesn't adhere to the words of the scripture. Instead of saying, "Hey Melo, come to Houston, I'd be happy to give you my number," he gets all butthurt about it. What happened to turning the other cheek and giving a man your shirt when they ask for your cloak? Nooo...you gotta go to twitter and post how "disrespected" you feel. Like many others have said, this sort of thing happens all the time. Sure the Rockets could have handled it differently, but so could've Lin.

    I think he knows his time is up in Houston and he is throwing a little pissy fit on his way out whenever given the opportunity. I've tried really hard to like him and I'll never forget Linsanity, but ever since he's been in Houston, he has been quite a disappointment.

  • BrentYen says 3 weeks ago

    So your points are:
    1. because the Rockets put Carmelo Anthony on the Toyota Center with #7 that is the ultimate disrespect but putting advertising with Bosh with Luis Scola's number is not disrespect.
    2. Even though you cannot prove it, you are convinced that the Rockets lied about the situation because Lin's agents would never lie.
    Is this the gist of your argument?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2012/07/18/jeremy-lin-may-be-the-dumbest-harvard-grad-ever/
    As you can see Lin did take a contract that was more punitive to the Knicks. He could have insisted on taking the less punitive contract right?
    What The Rockets did was not wrong. Seems like Lin fans are being Linsensitive.


    Ahhhh...
    1. scola's number was not put on in public before the pitch even begins, same was not pb's number. Completely different.

    2. I believe the sources lied......not Rox......but who knows.....seems like the sources is Rox related anyway.

    3'. There were no contract from NYK.....no he could not......unless he knows for sure that NYK would take him.....he could not know, could he?

    They did not do it wrong, just did not respecting Lin...it is not like it is illegal and someone in the Rox are going to jail for this...I think it is not about Lin fan been sensitive, more like fans getting defensive when Lin fans objectively pointed out the problem.
  • QNoir says 3 weeks ago

    To be honest it seems Lin is being over sensitive.

    http://www.appolicio...-bosh-with-ipad

    Luis Scola never went to the media to complain about being disrespected like Lin did. I am sure he was upset but completely understood that ishow theNBA works.

    This happens and even though you are upset about it, it will not dissuade future free agents from signing with the Rockets.

    It is too bad that the reasonable Lin fans and Lin himself have let the crazy Lin fans take over. No organization wants "fans" that constantly attack the organization if their favorite player is not allowed to do whatever he wants.

    The Rockets want a full stadium. They want endorsements. They want money. Sure, Carmelo can help with all of that, but if we are to believe the argument made for overpaying for Lin in the first place, it was about more than advancing in the playoffs. Why fail at that as well?

    As for Lin ... he's soft. We all know that. I mean ... Jesus? I'm a borderline atheist. If anything ... he needs this event so he can go out into the court with a chip on his shoulder. All the Jesus talk makes me sick. Dude ... this is basketball we're talking about. Keep it secular and play with purpose. No magic man in the sky is going to reward you with made baskets for turning the other cheek.

  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    The only injustice is that Lin still takes up a roster spot, and is going to cost the Rockets a pick in order to get rid of him. Too bad Morey didn't keep Drogic instead.

    Could not agree more.

  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    To be honest, it just seems like a dumb move by the Rockets. Whether you think it's disrespectful or not ... the reaction is certainly predictable. Lin has fans (yes, people like people sometimes. We aren't all attracted to organizations, as if an organization can actually have a personality). His fans ... particularly his Houston fans ... are saddened by him being moved. Even if they think he'll be better off elsewhere, we all think it's too bad it didn't work out. Kind of like breaking up with your girlfriend. Sure, you know it's best to move on ... but you don't want your divorce thrown in your face all the time. In the end, whether or not it was classless ... it was just ... kind of boneheaded, predictable, stupid from a pr perspective. It paints a bad image for Rockets management, and turns people off.

    Wannabe genius fans can talk all they want about who is a real Rockets fan. It has to begin somewhere. The Rockets have to have at least somewhat wanted to retain some of those new basketball fans, right? Why spend all that money you love talking about on Lin, just so you can do your best to IMMEDIATELY lose all of the viewers and fans you may have gained. Just ... idiotic from a management perspective.

    To be honest it seems Lin is being over sensitive.

    http://www.appolicio...-bosh-with-ipad

    Luis Scola never went to the media to complain about being disrespected like Lin did. I am sure he was upset but completely understood that ishow theNBA works.

    This happens and even though you are upset about it, it will not dissuade future free agents from signing with the Rockets.

    It is too bad that the reasonable Lin fans and Lin himself have let the crazy Lin fans take over. No organization wants "fans" that constantly attack the organization if their favorite player is not allowed to do whatever he wants.

  • Steven says 3 weeks ago The only injustice is that Lin still takes up a roster spot, and is going to cost the Rockets a pick in order to get rid of him. Too bad Morey didn't keep Drogic instead.
  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    First, let's talk about the Bosh and Scola example given by Morey and other media. Based on this story from ESPN in 2010, Bosh never had a meeting with Morey in the Toyota Center, instead Morey went to Dallas to meet with Bosh. Needless to say, no Toyota Center in Dallas, therefore, no banners with Bosh's picture with Scola's 4 outside or inside the Toyota Center while being recruited.

    With Dwight Howard and Beverley is the same situation. The Rockets crew met with Howard in California! not in Houston. Which means that, there were NO banners outside or inside the Toyota Center while recruiting Howard with Beverley's number 12.

    In other words, NO this has not happened before. At least not in the situations that the Rockets wants us to believe. Sadly, the media is eating it up.

    I am a Lin fan, of course I pay attention to what happens around him....nothing wrong with it. Lin took the only offer he got.....I guess when you are looking for jobs.......you will pass your only offer and just hope for the best....

    If you are saying Lin or his agents lied........I can nether prove it is true nor can I prove it is false. So indeed I assumed that Lin told the truth....

    Edit:

    again it is not about numbers change.....it is about how you have the basic respect on your employee and how you put out lies (assume Lin told the truth) to cover it...

    So your points are:

    1. because the Rockets put Carmelo Anthony on the Toyota Center with #7 that is the ultimate disrespect but putting advertising with Bosh with Luis Scola's number is not disrespect.

    2. Even though you cannot prove it, you are convinced that the Rockets lied about the situation because Lin's agents would never lie.

    Is this the gist of your argument?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2012/07/18/jeremy-lin-may-be-the-dumbest-harvard-grad-ever/

    As you can see Lin did take a contract that was more punitive to the Knicks. He could have insisted on taking the less punitive contract right?

    What The Rockets did was not wrong. Seems like Lin fans are being Linsensitive.

  • QNoir says 3 weeks ago

    To be honest, it just seems like a dumb move by the Rockets. Whether you think it's disrespectful or not ... the reaction is certainly predictable. Lin has fans (yes, people like people sometimes. We aren't all attracted to organizations, as if an organization can actually have a personality). His fans ... particularly his Houston fans ... are saddened by him being moved. Even if they think he'll be better off elsewhere, we all think it's too bad it didn't work out. Kind of like breaking up with your girlfriend. Sure, you know it's best to move on ... but you don't want your divorce thrown in your face all the time. In the end, whether or not it was classless ... it was just ... kind of boneheaded, predictable, stupid from a pr perspective. It paints a bad image for Rockets management, and turns people off.

    Wannabe genius fans can talk all they want about who is a real Rockets fan. It has to begin somewhere. The Rockets have to have at least somewhat wanted to retain some of those new basketball fans, right? Why spend all that money you love talking about on Lin, just so you can do your best to IMMEDIATELY lose all of the viewers and fans you may have gained. Just ... idiotic from a management perspective.

  • BrentYen says 3 weeks ago

    First, let's talk about the Bosh and Scola example given by Morey and other media. Based on this story from ESPN in 2010, Bosh never had a meeting with Morey in the Toyota Center, instead Morey went to Dallas to meet with Bosh. Needless to say, no Toyota Center in Dallas, therefore, no banners with Bosh's picture with Scola's 4 outside or inside the Toyota Center while being recruited.

    With Dwight Howard and Beverley is the same situation. The Rockets crew met with Howard in California! not in Houston. Which means that, there were NO banners outside or inside the Toyota Center while recruiting Howard with Beverley's number 12.

    In other words, NO this has not happened before. At least not in the situations that the Rockets wants us to believe. Sadly, the media is eating it up.

    I am a Lin fan, of course I pay attention to what happens around him....nothing wrong with it. Lin took the only offer he got.....I guess when you are looking for jobs.......you will pass your only offer and just hope for the best....

    If you are saying Lin or his agents lied........I can nether prove it is true nor can I prove it is false. So indeed I assumed that Lin told the truth....

    Edit:

    again it is not about numbers change.....it is about how you have the basic respect on your employee and how you put out lies (assume Lin told the truth) to cover it...

  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    I guess you meant NYK dissing Lin is ok though right? It is never about number changes, which, as other members have pointed out, is normal. It is about you did not tell Lin in advance and pitch Melo with it.......plus a super large picture outside TC. To get the thing worse, some sources told WOJ that ROX did tell Lin in advance, which obvious almost immediately being debunked by Lin's agent tru WOJ.

    Yes changing number is not a big deal......but this is not about changing numbers...

    Also, you are assuming Lin's agents are telling the truth not Morey. Agents never lie right?

  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    I guess you meant NYK dissing Lin is ok though right? It is never about number changes, which, as other members have pointed out, is normal. It is about you did not tell Lin in advance and pitch Melo with it.......plus a super large picture outside TC. To get the thing worse, some sources told WOJ that ROX did tell Lin in advance, which obvious almost immediately being debunked by Lin's agent tru WOJ.

    Yes changing number is not a big deal......but this is not about changing numbers...

    Nope Lin disrespected the Knicks by taking the most punitive contract possible to the Knicks. Very disrespectful since the Knicks were the only team to give Lin a chance.

    Nobody was upset when Scola's number was used. Nobody should be upset about this.

    Seems you are only upset because it is Lin. If you were upset about the Scola thing then there would be some consistency

  • BrentYen says 3 weeks ago

    I guess you meant NYK dissing Lin is ok though right? It is never about number changes, which, as other members have pointed out, is normal. It is about you did not tell Lin in advance and pitch Melo with it.......plus a super large picture outside TC. To get the thing worse, some sources told WOJ that ROX did tell Lin in advance, which obvious almost immediately being debunked by Lin's agent tru WOJ.

    Yes changing number is not a big deal......but this is not about changing numbers...

  • Willk says 3 weeks ago

    Lin's progression does not matter. A diss is a diss....Bosh or D12 did not have a big picture hanging outside with Scola or PB's number on it. Whether it was intentional or not, I think a diss is a diss.

    http://www.appolicio...-bosh-with-ipad

    Bosh did have Scola's number on right?

    Lin dissing the Knicks is ok though right?

  • junglejim says 3 weeks ago

    "Grave injustice"? Isn't that a little...

    Melo-dramatic?

  • BrentYen says 3 weeks ago

    Lin's progression does not matter. A diss is a diss....Bosh or D12 did not have a big picture hanging outside with Scola or PB's number on it. Whether it was intentional or not, I think a diss is a diss.

  • qwer says 3 weeks ago

    1.I agree with you this is a waste of everyone's time. Morey could have simply dial Lin's phone and tell him they're going to use his number. That did not happen. If you think Lin's being overly sensitive here with a tweet, sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But I challange you to provide any proof of Lin being anything but a good teammate this past 2 years. ESPN knows any article with Lin will gather massive amount of clicks from Lin supporters. Internet traffic = ad revenue, just saying.
    2.Like you stated, Rockets have to trade D-mo and Canaan on top of Lin's salary to get to max offer range. So D-mo/Canaan both have less value now simply due to the fact that Morey needs to move both.
    3.Lin does have business value as I've made this point before. Whether a team can make 13 million within the Chinese market/Lin supporters in a year is up for debate. But any shrewd marketing director from the team that acquires Lin can use his marketability to trump any lead Houston have in China.

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 weeks ago Good stuff Rahat, thanks. It's still up to date, so far.