The Red94 Podcast: The healing process begins

In today’s episode, Forrest Walker and I begin the healing process after Chris Bosh leaves the Rockets at the altar.


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  • bladad says 1 month ago

    Wrong thread. Lin = GOAT. Nuff said

    HAHA. Gold star comment. Is it worth of a JohnnyGold Star though?

  • slick shoes says 1 month ago

    @moderators
    Can we ban anyone who says any of these words: Parsons, the hair, Chandler, overpaid "star", pretty boy, buffalo model, or anything else related to the Benedict Arnold who now resides his "trade" in that waste of a city 250 miles to the north?

    Honestly good for him, he is getting paid like the "star" he is in his own head. Maybe he will prove it, maybe he won't. It's been 48 hours, time to wash our hands of him and move on to bigger and better things.

    Or just create a policy of not bringing up past players unless relevant to the future of the team. What's done is done. Let's try and see what the future holds for the red team.

  • Steven says 1 month ago Wrong thread. Lin = GOAT. Nuff said
  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    One thing I did notice now that I've gotten to watch the video in its entirety is that J Lin was there for the assist 9 times out of 10. I know this is what a PG should be doing but there was some nice court vision going on finding the open man for the easy bucket. Not taking sides on the Lin debate, just an observation. Seemed like the unit on the floor was firing on all cylinders (granted it was Minny).

    Yeah, I noticed that too. Minny's defense was atrocious....they were playing ultra small, and Barea was on Lin (and even D-Mo) a lot. The rookie, Dieng was the one mostly getting abused by D-Mo. Lin made the right plays, but watch it again...the best pass was made by Harden. Pekovic was out for that game....Minny had no chance....If D-Mo could be that good every game he'd be an all-star.

  • slick shoes says 1 month ago

    I like the direction you're going. Thus, I present:

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

    One thing I did notice now that I've gotten to watch the video in its entirety is that J Lin was there for the assist 9 times out of 10. I know this is what a PG should be doing but there was some nice court vision going on finding the open man for the easy bucket. Not taking sides on the Lin debate, just an observation. Seemed like the unit on the floor was firing on all cylinders (granted it was Minny).

  • Forthelin says 1 month ago

    What happens here is that we find ourselves in a Rockets forum where on any given day myself and other Rockets fans may want to discuss something like rotation adjustments whereas a Lin supporter joins the thread and may just want to focus in on how Lin needed more playing time or something similar. Honestly, we just don't have time for that and furthermore there are forums for individual players. Many of us have been fans of the Rockets for ten, twenty, thirty years or even longer and the exercise of discussing one player (who is not an all time great/not going to dedicate so much discussion to a non All Star ) is a foreign idea to us. Players come and go but we remain Rockets fans first and foremost always.
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    Certainly one of the rarer reasoned responses.

  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    @slick shoes

    I have followed T-Jones since he was at Kentucky. I believe in him. he just needs time to fully mature. he's only a 22 year old kid. as For D-Mo I'm not as high on. I want to see if he has continued to bulk up. he has potential, but much further than T-Jones to go

  • Steven says 1 month ago

    I may have confused the meaning of "LOF/JOF" in myprevious post. Just a big supporter of T-Jones.

    He was my man-crush, from the second he was the Rockets third pick of the first round. Truly enjoy his skillset, hope he can reach his full potential.

    Newest man-crush, Konstantinos "Kostas" Papanikolaou. At least the name, Kostas Papanikolaou.
  • slick shoes says 1 month ago

    Trust me man, I'm high on both of them. I just see D-Mo trying to force it too much and loses that soft touch that is so elagantly displayed in the clip. If he can calm down and stay out of foul trouble, I think the both of them could be a great duo at the 4 with D-Mo using some minutes at a small lineup 5.

    EDIT: I should also note that if there is a JOF group, I would be a candidate for president. Needs some fine tuning, don't get me wrong, but I just love the way the kid plays.

    I may have confused the meaning of "LOF/JOF" in myprevious post. Just a big supporter of T-Jones.

  • slick shoes says 1 month ago

    I like the direction you're going. Thus, I present:

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

    Trust me man, I'm high on both of them. I just see D-Mo trying to force it too much and loses that soft touch that is so elagantly displayed in the clip. If he can calm down and stay out of foul trouble, I think the both of them could be a great duo at the 4 with D-Mo using some minutes at a small lineup 5.

    EDIT: I should also note that if there is a JOF group, I would be a candidate for president. Needs some fine tuning, don't get me wrong, but I just love the way the kid plays.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    I like the direction you're going. Thus, I present:

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

  • slick shoes says 1 month ago

    *pppppsssshhhhhhhhkkeewwwwwwwww*

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1p7XmNqA9A

  • datruth says 1 month ago

    I noticed that Mchale has coached in 330 games without winning one playoff series.

    That's bad at professional level and still have a job.

    i like the talent, but again we still have Mchale.

    I think T- Jones is getting ready to take off

  • miketheodio says 1 month ago

    need some productive vets for sure if there are bunch of young guys on the team. a vet 4 who can play D. vet pg hopefully with some play off experience.

    i actually kind of like what bosh forced. this is what needed to happen. decent productive veteran role players while developing young talent.

    hopefully all this turnover doesn't effect the rockets ability to establish what rocket basketball looks like (problem in the playoffs). who knows, it could improve it...?

  • bboley24 says 1 month ago

    If DMO can get some D and stop fouling I think he would be an excellent center... kid has some major talent on the offensive block... just can't stay in the game.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    :lol: Apparently we're all on the same page here. I was thinking those exact words: "it's time to sink or swim". While I do think Boozer could be a nice complimentary player for us, I want Jones and D-Mo to get out there and just play hard. They won't be perfect, but they have both shown they belong on an NBA court. If D-Mo continues adding bulk and can build on the momentum he had before getting benched in the playoffs I think we'll have ourselves a solid back up C.

    I'm also excited about Jones/Ariza on the wings. Against teams that employ stretch 4's I think our defense will be very good next year. Hopefully, D-Mo can handle the Aldridge/Randolph types for us.

  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    @Cooper

    I agree it's time for T-Jones and D-Mo to sink or swim. while I'm not against adding Boozer for depth he should only get scraps

  • Cooper says 1 month ago

    A move to get Bledsoe or Rondo is probably the best way to salvage the offseason but even that might be out of our trade asset range. Just as soon see Dmo/Jones sink or swim than Boozer for a year or two.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago Boozer would be a great fit. He might not have 3 range but he's pretty good from midrange. While he struggled as the primary option, if he is the number 3 option and doing PnRs with Harden he is a great fit. He struggled defensively but was not a huge negative there with Noah to back him up. We have Howard as his eliminator. Of course the price is probably under 5 mil so all in all it's a good fit. Plus does anyone think he could he worse defensively than Jones? He made a few flashy blocks but was out of position 9 times out of 10.

    Of course if we believe we're not championship calibre which would make not signing Parsons make sense, then giving minutes to boozer to help in the short term doesn't make sense in the long term and possibly stunting DMo and jones.
  • bladad says 1 month ago

    So for all the wheeling and dealing done to clear up space for free agent signings, is the team better off? Would people on the forum agree that Boozer would be a poor fit for the Rockets?

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    We don't hate you and your ilk forthelin, I am sure your probably intelligent and friendly in the real world.

    What happens here is that we find ourselves in a Rockets forum where on any given day myself and other Rockets fans may want to discuss something like rotation adjustments whereas a Lin supporter joins the thread and may just want to focus in on how Lin needed more playing time or something similar. Honestly, we just don't have time for that and furthermore there are forums for individual players. Many of us have been fans of the Rockets for ten, twenty, thirty years or even longer and the exercise of discussing one player (who is not an all time great/not going to dedicate so much discussion to a non All Star ) is a foreign idea to us. Players come and go but we remain Rockets fans first and foremost always.

  • bboley24 says 1 month ago

    Sheez... the trade has been finalized and this is still an issue...

    Good player... even better man. I wish him the best.

    My wife called him "dribble'mc'dribbleson" .... RIP in lakerland.

  • Forthelin says 1 month ago

    In response to this, it seems you would prefer we humbly acknowledge our own inferiority while graciously accepting the privilege of your own superior understanding and wisdom. I can think of many examples in the history of humanity where this attitude was taken--all of which are viewed with a touch of shame in hindsight. I appreciate your attempt tocivilize us, but I do think we enjoy our savage ways and traditions. You'll have to excuse our rudeness in not wanting to be like you.
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    Really, no need to be so defensive. Again, just making an observation that LOH are probably even more sensitive and at least as prone to sourness and bitterness as LOF, and I think that is being generous. Certainly, if you count the ferocity and number of the opinions, LOH are quite out in force. Almost enjoying a lynching really. However, far be it for me to preach civility to anyone, but certainly everyone can learn from why they may just hate someone else who really has done nothing to them. Think back to junior high or early high school about the book To Kill a Mockingbird.

  • SadLakerFan says 1 month ago

    your comment is nothing but sexist and racist.

    Absolutely no racism intended. As others have pointed out, the guy call himself the Riceman, and even schleps T-Shirts. http://riceman.storenvy.com/

    I apologize for the inherent sexism - I acknowledge that there are many women who actually understand basketball (Ramona Shelburne, some WNBA fans). It's just that the percentage is so small, it's hard to resist making a snide comment from time to time. I have a friend who was New Jersey Nets dancer - despite watching every home game from courtside and being a huge fan of the team, it was amazing how little she understood the game. Baseball's much worse - can you think of even one woman that you know that would understand the phrase "double switch"? Shoot, there I go again . . . .

  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    it's amazes me even in departure Lin sparks and argument. I've been trying to stay out of it. I don't feel the need to get in some proverbial final jabs. Lin's departure can not be spoiled by a few tomato's being tossed by his followers on the way out the door. with each insult they reveal who they are. I wish them well. I hope Lin finds his basketball game in LA. I doubt Lin will transform into a star, but Lin fans have a right to their dream also. what I am most excited about......is the end of the argument with his fans over who he is and his role on this team. once gone I'm hoping that our forum returns to the state JG pictured in his joke on the matter.

    for all those needing to toss departing jabs remember............an insult says much more about you than it does your target. I will not bow to your level.....I'm hoping to raise you to mine :)

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    i hear ya, it's nothing really. Sorry if I got defensive but anyone delving in here needs to at least go back to page 2 to fully understand where we are now in this topic.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago I didn't watch the video. I was just wondering if there was some inside joke I wasn't a part of. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    Where did the term "rice man" come from on this board?

    Wow, really timetodie? How could you have thought, after all that was written here, that that was a question worth posting?

  • Dayak says 1 month ago

    Where did the term "rice man" come from on this board?


    Look at the youtube link shared by FSS, lol.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago Where did the term "rice man" come from on this board?
  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    Absolutely disagree. Can you explain using word "rice man" was immature at worst in your own word? Belittling women? I like to hear a bit more explanation to understand your thoughts.

    Sure. FSS covered the "Rice Man" part pretty clearly.

    If you feel like he "belittled" women...well, you are entitled to feel that way. Sure, he cracked a joke that they don't know an assist from an Asik (which i found clever...apparently I'm a mysoginistic pig :( ). I don't think he was anywhere near debasing women in general, rather, he was saying Lin's fangirls don't know anything about basketball the same way Bieber's fangirls don't know anything about music. True or not, it was a joke. Lighten up a little. I don't see anything wrong with noticing and appreciating pretty people. I seriously doubt a single one of those women he referred to mind either.

    If this is not satisfactory and you still feel like he was offensive and that we are supporting him in that then I would recommend finding a more sensitive place to discuss your sports. It gets way worse than that around here (despite our aim of a higher standard). The internet is a dangerous place to have delicate sensibilities.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    your comment is nothing but sexist and racist.

    Sorry dbd, if you actually looked into what Lakerfan was referencing it was a video of the self proclaimed Rice Man. That is what he calls himself and has some youtube you can check it. There is nothing racist there and you are actually out of line making accusations of that nature. In the future if you have a problem please message a moderator or at least look into what you are so quick to pass judgement on.

    As for sexism there is none there either. If you believe a guy on a sports forum can't say he thinks the Lin lady fans or the Lakaers cheerleaders are attractive or something similar then you are in the wrong place. Once again, contact a moderator if you have a problem with a post. In the past when posts deserved to be hidden and deleted I can assure you blakecouey, myself, johnnygold and Drew in Abilene have acted quickly and will continue to do so when necessary.

    I would also stand by this Forum's track record which has never embraced racist or sexist posting and in fact I promise you we are commited to eradicating those things any time they rear their ugly heads.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    your comment is nothing but sexist and racist.

    Immature? Maybe, but you are throwing some hefty words around that, in reference to the post you responded to, are unfounded.

    Great OK, you win. I have no brains. Whatever, the Lin fans have triumphed and you have figured out us brainless Rocket fans. Now if you're a Lin fan why don't you head over to forum blue and gold, a Lakers blog, tell Darius hello. You Lin fans can team up with Laker fans who I am sure are much smarter than us Rocket fans, yup.

    This is going to be great.

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    Really making an observation and obviously met with hostility when disagreed with. Many LOH do not see the LOF inside themselves. But, one side hates, and the other side loves.

    Extremism is extremism. Your claim of innocence is questionable. I presume you chose your words carefully. So, when you made this "observation":

    So judging from this post, I would have to say that the Lin Only Haters are far more in force polluting the air with venomous personal attacks than the Lin Only fans, who actually have been quite rational. It seems rather ironic that Lin only haters complain about how horrible it is that people with brains do not agree with them.

    Surely, there is some interesting word choice there. Thinly veiled jabs. How quaint. Your observation was incendiary and deserved whatever rebuke you got. Don't play the martyr here.

    Truly, take note and try to remember--not more than 1% of our members have ever "hated" on Lin (and that is to use your word as I don't think anyone here actually hates him--quite the opposite). Yet, sweeping generalizations of an entire groups' character, demeanor, opinions, and beliefs are being made by another group (LOF).

    In response to this, it seems you would prefer we humbly acknowledge our own inferiority while graciously accepting the privilege of your own superior understanding and wisdom. I can think of many examples in the history of humanity where this attitude was taken--all of which are viewed with a touch of shame in hindsight. I appreciate your attempt tocivilize us, but I do think we enjoy our savage ways and traditions. You'll have to excuse our rudeness in not wanting to be like you.

    Ask yourself, "Self--Why am I here? Is it to engage in earnest discussion about a team, and game, that I love with like-minded individuals? Or am I crusading in a foreign land under the guise of self-righteousness that masks the destruction and negativity which i am truly creating in a futile attempt to convert them to my own beliefs?"

    EDIT: words

  • Forthelin says 1 month ago

    posted by feelingsupersonic

    Great OK, you win. I have no brains. Whatever, the Lin fans have triumphed and you have figured out us brainless Rocket fans. Now if you're a Lin fan why don't you head over to forum blue and gold, a Lakers blog, tell Darius hello. You Lin fans can team up with Laker fans who I am sure are much smarter than us Rocket fans, yup.

    This is going to be great.

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    Really making an observation and obviously met with hostility when disagreed with. Many LOH do not see the LOF inside themselves. But, one side hates, and the other side loves.

  • dbd says 1 month ago

    I've heard those comments from the rice man before on this forum. I'm pretty sure he was posting here. What a nightmare this guy will be on the Laker boards. I don't mind the female Lin fans. They don't know an assist from an Asik, but some of them are pretty cute.

    your comment is nothing but sexist and racist.

  • SadLakerFan says 1 month ago

    I've heard those comments from the rice man before on this forum. I'm pretty sure he was posting here. What a nightmare this guy will be on the Laker boards. I don't mind the female Lin fans. They don't know an assist from an Asik, but some of them are pretty cute.

  • dbd says 1 month ago

    I have no interest in LOF, KOF, or any XOF. Just pointed out a possibility of their situation. I can't write anything on any forum without being accused of.

  • rocketrick says 1 month ago

    Lakers won't go anywhere coming season with their roster.
    But Linsanity can be reborn. Why? I don't believe in Kobe health. I don't think he last 25 games or can't play highest level anymore.


    I have absolutely no doubt Kobe fans and LOF's will have a love affair with each other in la la land.....

    Good luck with all of that!
  • dbd says 1 month ago

    Lakers won't go anywhere coming season with their roster.

    But Linsanity can be reborn. Why? I don't believe in Kobe health. I don't think he last 25 games or can't play highest level anymore.

  • Dayak says 1 month ago Call me a Canaan Denier. That guy will be a bust or a NBA journeyman at best, LOL.

    Back to Lin. I think he is an average PG, he will average 17 pts/7 assists (and don't forget, maybe 4 TOs) if Kobe stay injured :D
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    This is great too. The self proclaimed rice man rules. Goodbye and enjoy being a Lakers fan.

    http://youtu.be/pu_KZ58I2fI

  • ale11 says 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pxZk4LCNE&sns=em


    It's just great. It's perfect.

    And LOFs wonder why we as Rockets fans don't take them serious.....come on! I love the guy, he is nothing but a hardworker and I wish him all the best, the same I wish for Asik in New Orleans (maybe not, I'm a huge Asik fan).

    This stuff is talked every year during draft time: players that get drafted by the right team, that land in a perfect situation to thrive. Maybe Houston was that for Lin, for less than four months (when we traded for Harden), since then, the situation ceased to be ideal for him and he worked his butt off to do his best to fit in with new realities (playing more off the ball, being benched, etc.). As someone stated earlier, surely LOFs haven't seen Pop yelling at Parker (not only when he was young, he still does), sometimes hard love it's what it's needed. McHale isn't the right coach for Houston, but we could do worse, so we can't pin the underwhelming performances to him solely.

    To all the rational LOFs that have shared some thoughts with the rest of us, wish you and your idol the best if you don't come back.

    The rest, like the guy in the video.....I find this picture to be the perfect way to introduce yourselves in LaLa Land

    trolldoll1.jpg

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    I've got our flag!

    5lQH8hK.jpg

  • Steven says 1 month ago

    Good post RBF. I wonder who the next player is that people will irrationally love? I've already seen evidence that it's Canaan.

    Let the COF versus the COH battle begin.

    It's the Canaan Truthers vs the Canaan Deniers. At least you can get the two groups correct. ;)

    Me and JG vs everyone?

    I'm onboard the Canaan train, whose coming with me?
  • SadLakerFan says 1 month ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pxZk4LCNE&sns=em


    It's just great. It's perfect.

    This can't possibly be serious - it's someone mocking the "Lin Fans". But, quite funny.

  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    @TTDN

    put me in the cof category for now :lol:

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago Good post RBF. I wonder who the next player is that people will irrationally love? I've already seen evidence that it's Canaan.

    Let the COF versus the COH battle begin.
  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    @junglejim

    the Lin thread was locked for good reason. it was about to get ugly. you seem like one of the more rational Lin fans. I wish Lin and you well. the divorce went about as well as can be expected. while I didn't like Lin as a player I have no personal vendetta against him and have come to understand thecomplicated situation surrounding him. I expect (and have already seen some) parting shots being taken by his fans on Houston's forums, but I must say you said your goodbye with class. stop by for the discussions sometimes........you will be a welcomed member

  • junglejim says 1 month ago

    Hey everyone, I came here as a Lin fan - I'm from New York and I didn't follow basketball very much before Linsanity (I didn't even know who Hakeem Olajuwon was). I'm a longtime lurker on Red94 with the exception of a snarky comment every now and then, but I've appreciated the more intelligent basketball essays and discussion here. I've emotionally invested myself in the Rockets enough over the past two years that I'll probably keep following their championship aspirations for the duration Harden/Howard era. I have faith in Morey - Nick Johnson is shaping up to be a great off-ball guard who could come off the bench for the Rockets, and I really think the Rockets will be contenders with the addition of one good floor-stretching big dude.

    But realistically, I probably won't check up on Red94 as much as I have over the past few years. So for all intents and purposes this is somewhat of a goodbye for me.

    Why are we still talking about him? Cant' we just move on?

    Sorry. The "Goodbye Lin" thread was locked for some reason.

  • RudyT1995 says 1 month ago

    He could blow up in LA for all I care. I just can't stand what the Lin-trolls have done to the discussions here.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago We will pretty soon. Soon he will be leading the lakers to the lottery while we will be in the playoffs.
  • RudyT1995 says 1 month ago

    Why are we still talking about him? Cant' we just move on?

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 month ago Honestly isn't he? We don't know how many, if any, games Kobe will play. Hill is only an energy guy. I like young but not as good as Lin IMO. I do like randle but until I see him in the NBA I don't know how good he is and he'll probably struggle as a rookie. Nash is dead on his feet. Who else do they have?
  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    FSS, that was amazing! I can't tell if it's real or mocking--either way it's funny. Apparently, Jeremy Lin is now the Lakers' best player.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pxZk4LCNE&sns=em


    It's just great. It's perfect.
  • rockets best fan says 1 month ago

    @Rahat/Forrest/JG

    Rahat I know it looks bleak, but I still trust Morey. Parsons isn't worth 15 mil per. it hampers the team to much in their quest to obtain a third star. Parsons can not be the third best player on achampionship team. he doesn't create enough of an impact for that role IMO. we are having to make some tuff decisions right now. however ask yourself this.............if we resign Parsons knowing what it will do to our cap and add more role players is that for sure put us on level with OKC, Clippers, Portland ? those teams are improving as well.

    Forrest I hope you become a regular part of the podcast. you are exactly the type of person to interact with Rahat. I felt you guys got on another level here. enjoyed the conversation

    JG you are on another level with the pictures :lol:that Lin set had me on the floor laughing :lol: :lol:

    the darkest hour is always just before the dawn. we can not sell ourselves short. we must stay the course

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago Right over my head, sure.

    And the presumption that if I wanted to talk basketball I would talk about Lin and supposed harsh comments(more like ignorant comments) by Lin fans is laughable. Amazing, though not in the way that LeBron James and his story is amazing. This stuff is a joke and trust me many look forward to the day Lin isn't discussed here anymore, so soon but not soon enough.


    By the way, I could critique many things about the Rockets but I refuse to join in bashing the team I follow with others who share a completely different agenda and/or motive. It's funny because you can see on Lin fan sites where posters are urging each other not to join Lakers online communities and stay on Lin sites or to restrain there comments and not attack Kobe or others in the Laker organization. That's pretty telling.
  • QNoir says 1 month ago

    Well said Lakerfan. By the way, 1984 is around the time I started watching NBA basketball. Those Lakers teams were great and fun to watch, I still remember like it was yesterday when Magic shot that baby hook in the lane to help win the Finals in '87.

    Wow, Qnoir, that is some of the most unrealistic brainwashing I have ever heard. The European player example is really grasping but I'm sure it gets repeated on certain forums like gospel.

    Whoosh! Right over your head, eh? Analogies don't register with you, I see.

    Let's try it this way. You and Lin fans are opposite sides of the same coin. You're biases leave you with a heightened ability to observe the flaws of Lin, and Lin fans' biases leave them with an ability to observe the flaws of the Rockets organization as a whole. You see each others' champions clearly, but fail at objectively observing your own champs.

    Another one: You think your daddy is the smartest man alive. I think my daddy is the smartest man alive. I can clearly see that your daddy is a tool, and you can clearly see that mine is a dummy.

    If you really wanted to discuss basketball, you'd welcome the harsh input from Lin fans.

  • Cooper says 1 month ago

    In 2003, there was a dude who didn't like Europeans. He thought basketball to be an American game. He disliked the idea of drafting Europeans from leagues of poor talent, and considered the Dirk Nowitskis of the world to be rare anomalies. But Dirk was hot. There was no denying that, so teams looked for the next Dirk. They found Darko Milicic. Now, this guy, in all his poor beliefs about the sport of basketball wasn't the supreme judge of talent. But he was one thing: Immune to the Darko hype. His poor ideas on nationality afforded him the ablility to ponder "so Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse of all teams to an NCAA championship against what is being called one of the best draft classes ever, but Detroit wants to draft Darko Milicic at #2 after Lebron James?"

    Say what you want about Lin fans. Perhaps their bias lets them see things how they really are. It's amazing to me that after that series against Portland, so many of you still don't. McHale will leave Houston without a ring, and the rest of you will be using hindsight to declare how much of a wasted opportunity it was to keep him. Harden will run the show until he remains in Houston long enough to see himself become the villain. Fans will boo and you'll be wondering how much value you can still get for him. All the while, your former LOF may drop by to say "I told you so."

    I've yet to see any rockets fan excited about mchale being back. Worst case senario for harden is his career mirrors melo, teams still clamoured to sign him to a max deal going into his 30s, hard to say the same thing for Lin. Keeping Harden is the obvious choice.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    Well said Lakerfan. By the way, 1984 is around the time I started watching NBA basketball. Those Lakers teams were great and fun to watch, I still remember like it was yesterday when Magic shot that baby hook in the lane to help win the Finals in '87.

    Wow, Qnoir, that is some of the most unrealistic brainwashing I have ever heard. The European player example is really grasping but I'm sure it gets repeated on certain forums like gospel.

  • QNoir says 1 month ago

    In 2003, there was a dude who didn't like Europeans. He thought basketball to be an American game. He disliked the idea of drafting Europeans from leagues of poor talent, and considered the Dirk Nowitskis of the world to be rare anomalies. But Dirk was hot. There was no denying that, so teams looked for the next Dirk. They found Darko Milicic. Now, this guy, in all his poor beliefs about the sport of basketball wasn't the supreme judge of talent. But he was one thing: Immune to the Darko hype. His poor ideas on nationality afforded him the ablility to ponder "so Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse of all teams to an NCAA championship against what is being called one of the best draft classes ever, but Detroit wants to draft Darko Milicic at #2 after Lebron James?"

    Say what you want about Lin fans. Perhaps their bias lets them see things how they really are. It's amazing to me that after that series against Portland, so many of you still don't. McHale will leave Houston without a ring, and the rest of you will be using hindsight to declare how much of a wasted opportunity it was to keep him. Harden will run the show until he remains in Houston long enough to see himself become the villain. Fans will boo and you'll be wondering how much value you can still get for him. All the while, your former LOF may drop by to say "I told you so."

  • SadLakerFan says 1 month ago

    I'm a little more forgiving of the rabid Lin fans. Lin is, for them a true role model in the NBA, something they never had before. Yeah, Yao was Chinese, but he was also 7' 6" and so different it seemed like he came from another planet; Lin is someone that they can identify with. As a result, I suspect that many of them are following basketball closely for the first time in their lives. And, as we all know, once you start following sports on a daily basis, it gets very emotional. I still remember when I was young, the pain I felt when Magic lost the ball with one minute to go in game 7 of the 84 Finals, sealing the Celtics eighth straight Finals victory over my Lakers. If you're an older Rockets fan, I bet you can remember that horrible empty feeling when Stockton hit that three, and if you're younger, I bet you remember that moment during the 2008 playoffs, when Yao was diagnosed with a fracture in his foot. That's one of the things that is great about sports - the human emotion.

    Lin shoots 20% from three in the playoffs? If you're a Lin fan, that should be painful - every shot that clangs off the rim should feel like a punch to the gut. That's OK, and it should be a pain that you share with other Rockets fans. With the Lin fans, though, every failure by Lin seems to be cause for spewing hatred and bile against coaches, teammates and other fans. It's because McHale criticizes him and destroys his confidence (I doubt any of them saw Pop and Tony Parker in the early days), or its because the horrible organization allows his ball-hogging teammates give him the ball in bad situations. Every success generates comments not about Lin's contribution to the team, but about how Lin is "proving" that the "idiots" on the coaching staff, the front ofice, or on this forum, are wrong. It's the antithesis of what team sports is supposed to be about - I think Lin would be embarrassed to meet many of these guys.

  • Steven says 1 month ago

    So judging from this post, I would have to say that the Lin Only Haters are far more in force polluting the air with venomous personal attacks than the Lin Only fans, who actually have been quite rational. It seems rather ironic that Lin only haters complain about how horrible it is that people with brains do not agree with them.

    Call it pent up aggression. And no one is a Lin only hater. Just realists who see him as the below average PG his numbers suggest.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    Great OK, you win. I have no brains. Whatever, the Lin fans have triumphed and you have figured out us brainless Rocket fans. Now if you're a Lin fan why don't you head over to forum blue and gold, a Lakers blog, tell Darius hello. You Lin fans can team up with Laker fans who I am sure are much smarter than us Rocket fans, yup.

    This is going to be great.

  • Forthelin says 1 month ago

    So judging from this post, I would have to say that the Lin Only Haters are far more in force polluting the air with venomous personal attacks than the Lin Only fans, who actually have been quite rational. It seems rather ironic that Lin only haters complain about how horrible it is that people with brains do not agree with them.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    Wow, and with the "staff" icon next to it, too. But, of course, thejohnnygold will come back like "we're such a mature community. We don't attack each other, bla bla." Look, it's not Lin's fault, or his fans' fault, that the Rockets screwed up the summer.

    I wasn't a particular fan of Lin, but seeing posts like this really kind of drives people with brains to argue against you. You idiots created more LOF just by being so contrary.

    I'm a fan of Lin. I'm a fan of Lebron. I'm a fan of Blake Griffin. I'm a fan of Kobe. I'm a fan of Greg Smith.

    Sometimes I like a player's game. Sometimes his story. Sometimes I like him simply because of how much hate he gets. But I was the kid in high school who stuck up for the weird kid, not the insecure asshole who was bullying him.

    It's kind of difficult to stop being a bully, eh? But what happens when there's no more classroom? I guess the idea is to find yourself some small insignificant position of power and dictate how the conversation goes. Buddy up with others like you and attack people that are different. But, of course, they're the "pathetic" ones, eh? The "idiots." "Wastes of space." Hilarious.

    Wait, are you saying you were not a Lin fan, but became one due to the negative criticism he received here? So, it's like the superhero that inadvertently creates his own arch-nemesis? Red94 vs. QNoir....not bad.

    the-incredibles-syndrome.jpg

    That is an interesting "chicken or the egg" perspective. I tend to believe it went the other way, but I can see your point. Either way, good for you....you stood up for yourself. This isn't going anywhere positive. You don't seem to like nor respect us. Lin doesn't need any white-knighting services here any more. Maybe it's time to move on....

  • QNoir says 1 month ago

    I'm a fan of Lin. I'm a fan of Lebron. I'm a fan of Blake Griffin. I'm a fan of Kobe. I'm a fan of Greg Smith.

    Sometimes I like a player's game. Sometimes his story. Sometimes I like him simply because of how much hate he gets. But I was the kid in high school who stuck up for the weird kid, not the insecure asshole who was bullying him.

    It's kind of difficult to stop being a bully, eh? But what happens when there's no more classroom? I guess the idea is to find yourself some small insignificant position of power and dictate how the conversation goes. Buddy up with others like you and attack people that are different. But, of course, they're the "pathetic" ones, eh? The "idiots." "Wastes of space." Hilarious.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    we're such a mature community. We don't attack each other, bla bla.

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago

    We are pretty friendly around here compared to say Clutchfans. A sizable percentage of real Rocket fans are looking forward to Lin's fans leaving. Lin is a cool guy and I wish him the best but his fans are not basketball fans nor do they generally understand NBA basketball, though some do, many are just quite pathetic.

    I have never been to a Lin site to instigate his fans, I can't say the same for some of the trash that comes here just to troll with no hint of intentions to have a good basketball conversation.

  • QNoir says 1 month ago

    Good luck with the Lin fans Lakerfan, as you can clearly see by this thread they are usually devoid of basketball knowledge and just repeat what they hear in their echo chambers. They are total trollers and wastes of space, most of them are idiots and tied to a lost cause. They are pathetic at least that's what their posts usually reveal.

    Wow, and with the "staff" icon next to it, too. But, of course, thejohnnygold will come back like "we're such a mature community. We don't attack each other, bla bla." Look, it's not Lin's fault, or his fans' fault, that the Rockets screwed up the summer.

    I wasn't a particular fan of Lin, but seeing posts like this really kind of drives people with brains to argue against you. You idiots created more LOF just by being so contrary.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    Why do people not want to come to HOU? Because management treats its players like cogs in a machine. Because they disrespect their own players. Because they marginalize players- not playing to their strengths, allowing superstars to get away with playing selfishly. I used to be a HOU fan back in the Yao days. But these two years of watching them treating Jeremy Lin like crap (signing him, then replacing him with James Harden who is not a leader, not someone anyone would follow or go to war with, then insulting/disrespecting him repeatedly over the next couple of years) I have come to detest this organization. I think that this is a great website, and I have enjoyed reading the data driven posts and interesting commentary. But I have to say, there was a certain degree of glee that I saw today's events transpire. Let's see how the Rockets do next year with Harden/Howard/Beverly. I suspect that they will miss Asik's defense and Lin's character and leadership. And I think that there will be a lot of haters here who will see Lin blossom when he is not constantly undercut by his coach and the ball-hogging style of play of his teammates. I do realize that some crazy die-hard LOF's have given Lin fans a bad name and I hope that they can keep quiet on the Lakers forums. The guy needs to get a shot of confidence and the killer instinct- when he has a coach who can push him like that, he will blossom into a solid NBA guard, maybe even an all-star level player.

    I would just like to point out that the "glee" you noticed here was not because Lin is leaving (save for maybe one or two people). No, the joy was knowing that sooner than later his fans would be leaving. I won't lie, it does fill me with glee.

    A short story, in picture form:

    Red94 Before Jeremy Lin

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    Red94 During Jeremy Lin

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    Red94 After Jeremy Lin

    maria_hills_guitar_children_singing_less

    Fin

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 month ago Good luck with the Lin fans Lakerfan, as you can clearly see by this thread they are usually devoid of basketball knowledge and just repeat what they hear in their echo chambers. They are total trollers and wastes of space, most of them are idiots and tied to a lost cause. They are pathetic at least that's what their posts usually reveal.
  • SadLakerFan says 1 month ago

    Boy, what an awful, umpleasant post. As a lifelong Laker fan, I am not looking forward to reading posts from "fans" that take joy in the team's misfortune because they feel Lin was mistreated (although he was handed the starting PG position, and played more minutes than Tony Parker over two years). He was given every opportunity I can imagine in Houston, and he will have a similar opportunity in LA, at least for one year (there's no one else). I'll tell you, though, unless he learns to shoot more consistently, he'll be gone in 2016.

  • Chunkychen says 1 month ago

    Why do people not want to come to HOU? Because management treats its players like cogs in a machine. Because they disrespect their own players. Because they marginalize players- not playing to their strengths, allowing superstars to get away with playing selfishly. I used to be a HOU fan back in the Yao days. But these two years of watching them treating Jeremy Lin like crap (signing him, then replacing him with James Harden who is not a leader, not someone anyone would follow or go to war with, then insulting/disrespecting him repeatedly over the next couple of years) I have come to detest this organization. I think that this is a great website, and I have enjoyed reading the data driven posts and interesting commentary. But I have to say, there was a certain degree of glee that I saw today's events transpire. Let's see how the Rockets do next year with Harden/Howard/Beverly. I suspect that they will miss Asik's defense and Lin's character and leadership. And I think that there will be a lot of haters here who will see Lin blossom when he is not constantly undercut by his coach and the ball-hogging style of play of his teammates. I do realize that some crazy die-hard LOF's have given Lin fans a bad name and I hope that they can keep quiet on the Lakers forums. The guy needs to get a shot of confidence and the killer instinct- when he has a coach who can push him like that, he will blossom into a solid NBA guard, maybe even an all-star level player.

  • IvyShy98 says 1 month ago

    karma's a bitch eh?

  • thejohnnygold says 1 month ago

    jimmypage, I don't agree with everything you said, but I loved reading it! :lol:

    You managed to use the word "stewpid" without offending me....well done!

  • thenit says 1 month ago

    Some hardcore trolling from jimmy bravo.


    Agree. Top 3 coaches, clear path to championship, Lin cost us the championship lol when barely anyone showed up in the series.

    Only thing I agree is bosh not coming
  • Cooper says 1 month ago

    Some hardcore trolling from jimmy bravo.

  • dbd says 1 month ago

    Cheer up Rahat, hope all will be fine.

    For now we lost our sixth man and a first rounder, SF Chandler situation is in limbo, and not a lot of good options are out there.

    You knew Morey and he is a gambler. Sometime hit a jackpot, sometime got hosed. That is what you have to expect from a gambler.

    But I hope eventually, all will be even out and fine.

  • jimmypage says 1 month ago

    I seriously cannot believe Bosh is not coming to Houston! First Carmelo snubs us and then Bosh. Well, ok, Carmelo was obviously never coming to Houston. Can you imagine Carmelo fighting Harden for the ball? "Give it to me, you a--hole!" "No, you give it to me!" So of course even though it was Plan A, everyone knew Carmelo was going to sheet all over us. But Bosh? I mean he's barely a max level player to begin with let's face it. He's like a poor man's max level player. He was an epic non-factor in the playoffs. He said the entire season was such a grind. Poor guy! What he can't get motivated with King James breathing down his neck? He doesn't think "Team First" Harden will get him off his lazy ass? He's crazy! Why is everyone turning down the Rockets? It makes no sense. It's like Morey has an infectious disease. Seriously, the Rockets have an excellent player's coach and a clear path to an NBA championship. McHale takes a lot of heat, but he's probably one of the top 3 coaches in the NBA! All the players love him. They say McHale was out-coached in the Portland series, which is total buffalo manure. The only reason we lost to Portland was because Jeremy Lin turned over the frickin ball in Game 4. No turnover, we win Game 4 and we probably win the series. We probably also beat the Spurs because we held over them in the regular season. But thanks to Lin, we lose again! But now that Lin is gone, we have a clean path to the NBA championships and so it is so damn perplexing that Bosh would not see this and instead give us the one finger salute! So what that Riley gave him a monster contract? I mean who needs money when you're already filthy rich? You would think that just the chance to play with a Super Star teammate like D. Howard who is in his prime and is only getting better would be worth $30m or more. Who wouldn't want a chance to play with D.Ho just once in his career? This is probably all a conspiracy against Morey who is clearly a BB genius. He has accomplished so much in so little time it is ridiculous. I know what you're thinking...letting Goran and Kyle go looks a little stewpid right now, but hindsight is 20-20. It was the right move at the time! So shut the "F" up you MM Quarterbacks! Morey's made so many stellar moves, everyone in the league is ganging up on him because they're afraid of his superior basketball acumen. Let me tell you there's not a single person on the planet who could have forseen (1) Lebron going to Cleveland, (2) Miami offering Bosh a max contract, (3) Bosh taking it. It seemed fairly predictable that if LBJ bailed, Riley would have just thrown in the towel and let CB walk. That damn Riley and his unforeseeable max contract screwed us big time! (Of course, we'd still be just as forked if LBJ stayed in Miami like everyone thought.) But not even Nostradamus with a super-sized crystal ball could have seen this scenario coming. Who knew there was just no scenario where Bosh moves to Houston?!? I mean, who could even imagine that Bosh would play us like a used fiddle to get Riley to rain money all over him? This kind of underhanded crap just does not happen! So all you Morey haters, get a frickin clue! Alas, don't be sad Rockets faithful, remember it's always the darkest before the dawn of an NBA Championship! Just remember we still have our fearless leader Captain McHale leading us and Dr. Morey, Ph.D. in Basketballology keeping us 2 steps ahead of the pack! And that alone puts us in contention next year!

  • rocketrick says 1 month ago Hang in there Rahat. I promise the sun will once again rise in the morning and it will somehow be OK.

    At least that's what I'm trying to convince myself of. Oh so close and yet so far away............