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Random thoughts for July 9

  • For those keeping score at home, Michael Jordan’s decision to extend Gordon Hayward a max offer sheet is very, very bad news on the Chandler Parsons front.  
  • As I just tweeted a few minutes ago, I’m going to completely lose it if one more person suggests the team “focus on its bench and go after Durant next summer.”  The second Chandler Parsons re-signs, the Rockets kiss cap room goodbye for the duration of the H&H era.  That’s not even mentioning the fact that Durant isn’t a free agent until 2016.
  • That “maintenance program” designed to keep Dwyane Wade fresh for the Finals suddenly isn’t so cute anymore when Josh McRoberts is the second best player on the team and they’re out of the race by mid-December.
  • I’m not too thrilled by the signings of McRoberts and Granger either, but does Cleveland really give Lebron a better chance to win than Miami, next season?  Kyrie hasn’t really shown anything thus far in his career to make one think he’s a primetime player, though you have to think adding Lebron to the mix changes that.  There are numerous examples throughout recent history of high-scoring young “losers” who became impactful winners upon a change of environment/influence.  (I just can’t think of any off the top of my head).  You don’t know what you’re getting from Bennett and Wiggins.  Thompson?  Does Waiters stop trying to fight Kyrie?  And where’s there rim protection after Verajao goes down inevitably in mid-November?
  • Can you really go back to a team that cut guys like Mike Miller to line the owner’s pockets in the middle of a title defense?  You just can’t go back there after that.
  • …can you really go back to a team owned by a guy who wrote an angry letter in Comic Sans declaring his superiority?
  • I don’t really have a problem with Bosh declaring Miami is his first choice, as some of you do.  You guys need to stop being so emotionally volatile.  We’re not looking for a wife here.  It’s a game of transactions and we’re trying to put together a team of players that can win a title.  This doesn’t have to be Chris Bosh’s first option for him to come in and play hard.  Nothing in his history suggests he would do otherwise.
  • If I had to get one stop at that end, I’m putting in Omer Asik and Anthony Davis over Dwight Howard and Chris Bosh.  Sorry guys.

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  • josecruuuz says 3 months ago

    Vegas is picking Miami for Lebron. So, when the Rockets do not get Bosh or Parsons what will they do? They will be a team with 4 back up point guards, an offense only SG with a rookie to back him up, no SF, T Jones and D-MO, Howard with no back up and Casspi. Will they panic and spend way too much for players like Ariza or Deng, just to have enough bodies to play the game?

  • ale11 says 3 months ago

    There's no cap space for Ariza and Deng unless we fail at plan A (signing Bosh and matching Parsons), plan B (signing Bosh alone) AND plan C (match Parsons alone).

    I love Chandler, but I wouldn't match that offer. And I wouldn't consider it as trade bait either because that 15-16 M per year won't be as appealing to Minnesota or whichever team, my thought is that they wanted that tiny contract and use it as a chip themselves. If most of what you are getting in return for Love is 16M worth of Chandler Parsons, my guess is that's a deal breaker.

  • txtdo1411 says 3 months ago

    I'm not a huge fan of Deng, but I would love to have Ariza back in Houston. He would be a good complimentary 3 & D SF. The only thing that is worrisome is if his 3 pt % last year was a fluke or if it will stay around that range. Also I have no clue how much he is going to cost with Parsons and Hayward getting $15 mill+ a year. I liked last offseason way better than this one lol.

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago @timetodie

    Well my post that you didn't see anything intelligent about was in response to your post that seemed lacking in any intelligence at all. It's kind of simple how that works.

    I was right as well but don't look for me to hold long time members' hands.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Almost always....
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Yes I should have given my reasoning. As always you are right TJG. I'll try and give my reasoning from now on.

    Always? I don't think so.... :unsure:

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    I don't disagree, I just can't look at the market this year and see Deng for 10 mil.

    Given how things are going, it won't surprise me.

    Who was it that wrote about the correlations between player age, production, and contract value? Both Hayward and Parsons fall dead square into those parameters so maybe that's part of why they are getting the offers they are getting? According to the numbers, it's a good investment.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Yes I should have given my reasoning. As always you are right TJG. I'll try and give my reasoning from now on.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    I guess I think Chandler helps their defense be very good and having Parsons helps them offensively. I know a lot of people on this board think coaching doesn't matter very much but Carlisle is pretty good at maximizing his talent.

    I didn't mean to offend him I just thought with the market this year that getting Deng for 10 was laughable.

    Why did you comment? Your two sentences called me annoying and to criticize my opinion without giving reasons why I'm wrong. I'm sure you're intelligent but I didn't see it with that post.

    I disagree that people don't think coaching matters very much....who thinks that? I'd think most all around here agree that Carlisle is a very good coach who does make a difference.

    By the way, you didn't offend me. That being said, instead of dismissively "LOL-ing" me, wouldn't it be more interesting for everyone if you had just stated your reasoning in the first place? We don't come here to read "LOL"--we all want informed basketball opinions that make us think, consider, and see new things.

    Your last point directed at FSS--that's my point to you. Why did you bother commenting? You just wanted to criticize my opinion without giving reasons why I'm wrong. I'm fine if people disagree, think I'm stupid, nuts, crazy, ignorant, or whatever....but at least give some reasoning.

  • miketheodio says 3 months ago

    From my perspective, Deng will be 29 next season and his numbers are on the decline. His shooting is average, at best, and his defense is over-rated in my estimation. I think he would consider signing for a slight discount to be on a legit contender. Whoever pays him $13M will, once again, be over-paying.

    lot's of teams seems to be overpaying this go around. deng turned down his 3 year 30 million dollar contract with the bulls.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago I don't disagree, I just can't look at the market this year and see Deng for 10 mil.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    With these deals and Deng asking for 13 mil I don't see him getting less than 12. Why wouldn't the Lakers offer him 2 years 25 mil? I just don't see Deng making that little.

    From my perspective, Deng will be 29 next season and his numbers are on the decline. His shooting is average, at best, and his defense is over-rated in my estimation. I think he would consider signing for a slight discount to be on a legit contender. Whoever pays him $13M will, once again, be over-paying.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago I guess I think Chandler helps their defense be very good and having Parsons helps them offensively. I know a lot of people on this board think coaching doesn't matter very much but Carlisle is pretty good at maximizing his talent.

    I didn't mean to offend him I just thought with the market this year that getting Deng for 10 was laughable.

    Why did you comment? Your two sentences called me annoying and to criticize my opinion without giving reasons why I'm wrong. I'm sure you're intelligent but I didn't see it with that post.
  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago You might be right or close but laughing at johnnygold for a slight difference is annoying. All this from the member claiming Parsons vaults the Mavs to 4th best in the West, give me fricken break. Wow....
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago With these deals and Deng asking for 13 mil I don't see him getting less than 12. Why wouldn't the Lakers offer him 2 years 25 mil? I just don't see Deng making that little.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Deng for 10? Lol

    Oh, I'm sorry...I should make a ridiculous offer like Jordan and Cuban did...my bad. Deng for the max!

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Deng for 10? Lol
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Looks like all you Rocket fans who were certain Chandler and Morey had some secret deal are incorrect.

    ESPN sources say Mavericks and Rockets RFA Chandler Parsons have reached agreement on three-year offer sheet worth in excess of $45 million

    Mark Stein Twitter

    Parson's is not going to take less money to play for the Rockets. Lets not forget the Rockets lost in the first round last year, and had they won the series against Portland, they probablywould'velost in the second round to the Spurs. Staying on the Rockets is no guarantee of long playoff runs.

    uojoe82, I find it interesting that you subtly delineate between us Rockets fans and yourself. I appreciate the distinction as it helps me understand where you are coming from in your posts.

    Regarding Minnesota, I guess my point is just whiffing here. Yes, Kevin Love has gotten some national media. Again, Parsons is not on that level. It's a terrible situation for multiple reasons, but if you guys want to believe that a player interested in marketing themselves wants to wind up in Minnesota then go ahead. Bear in mind that being on a winning team with other stars is a huge part of marketing....which Minnesota will always struggle with.

    Regarding the "I told you so" about the "secret deal"-- it's premature and as unfounded as you seem to think the notion of Morey and Parsons talking about their future together is. Just because their pathsappear to be diverging does not mean they did not discuss what their future intentions were--they may not have agreed, but they definitely talked. I have stated from the get go that if Parsons chooses money over team then good riddance to him. He's over-rated and about to get over-paid. He's a good SF for sure, but $16M/yr. is a terrible return on investment here.

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    Morey may still match. As has been noted--this just opens new doors. If we land Bosh, as it seems is becoming more and more likely, and match Parsons' offer that puts us into the tax for the next 3 years (barring a trade) which is not quite as bad as it sounds. This article explains it in laymen's terms for those who abhor reading legalese.

    The important thing to take away from this is the repeater tax (the really bad one) only applies to teams that are over the tax threshold for 4 out of 5 consecutive years. So, we will pay some overages, but it won't be astronomical. Besides, a team with a starting 5 of Bev, Harden, Parsons, Bosh, and Howard is worth going into the tax for. On paper, that is one of the best starting units the NBA will field next season.

    At this point, I don't care. He's not worth that contract. Let him clog Dallas' salary cap. If Morey decides to go all in on this hand then I have no problem with that either. It's not a bad hand to push all your chips in on.

    No matter what, we'll be fine moving forward. There are tons of SF's available that can fill his spot on the floor. No, they probably won't average 16, 5, and 5. That doesn't mean they won't be a good fit and help us win. It is interesting that neither Deng nor Ariza have made much noise (obviously LeBron/Melo have a lot to do with this), but would you rather pay Parsons $16M or try and snag Deng for $10M or Ariza for $12M?

  • miketheodio says 3 months ago

    yikes, this could be really bad.

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago Portland in the top 4, Dallas top 4 in the West? Wow, hard to imagine anyone really believing that.
  • SadLakerFan says 3 months ago If Bosh is still in play at the end of the three days, I guess they have to let Chandler walk, correct?
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago I watched that series with the Spurs and maybe I'm reading too much into it but they went on to win the chip.
  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    Upgrade form Dalembert to TC is probably a little bigger than downgrade from calderon to Harris/felton. With parsons plus marion/vince back the mavs would be in the mix but I wouldn't necessarily say contender.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Lol. Okay let's use a more apt analogy. He's like Farmar or Augustin.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    He's a good offensive player. He's a negative defensively. He's like Bonner.

    I don't know how good Felton can be now that his legal troubles and divorce are over. Maybe a 12/7 player. Remember he did not have a bad year his first year in NY since he had something to prove. I also don't think he'll be the starting PG come playoff time.

    Yes,

    Bonner who played about 10 minutes a game and makes less than 1 three pointer a game and average 3 ppg is like Calderon who plays 30 minutes a game and makes 2.5 three pointer per game.

    Great comparison, I bet you aced the analogy section of the SAT's

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago He's a good offensive player. He's a negative defensively. He's like Bonner.

    I don't know how good Felton can be now that his legal troubles and divorce are over. Maybe a 12/7 player. Remember he did not have a bad year his first year in NY since he had something to prove. I also don't think he'll be the starting PG come playoff time.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    I was thinking they'd probably start Ellis at PG and put Carter at SG. Or Harris isn't that bad. Maybe they trade a 1st round pick for a PG. I'm sure whatever they do it won't be bad. Have you seen Calderon play defense? And Calderon shoots that well since he's wide open.

    You do realize getting open three point looks is a developed skill? If making threes at a high rate is only a function of getting open looks then why doesnt every player just get open looks? Because getting open looks is a skill that not everyone has.

    The past 2 seasons Calderon shot a combined 46% from behind the arc. And that is with 3 teams combined (Toronto, Detroit, and Dallas). Unless those three teams are the best at getting open looks I'm pretty confident in saying he's an elite shooter,

    And his defense? Its not like Felton is any better. I would say that Felton looks at Hardens defense in admiration.

    The only thing Felton is elite at is eating.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago I was thinking they'd probably start Ellis at PG and put Carter at SG. Or Harris isn't that bad. Maybe they trade a 1st round pick for a PG. I'm sure whatever they do it won't be bad. Have you seen Calderon play defense? And Calderon shoots that well since he's wide open.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    How is Dallas 9th or 10th best????

    They nearly beat SA. They upgraded their defense with Tyson. If they get Parsons that's an upgrade at SF as well. As long as both Marion and Carter come back, I don't see who they're not 4th or 5th best with Carlisle as the coach.

    My Rankings for Next Year (before Chandler goes to DAL)

    1. SAS

    2. LAC

    3. OKC

    4. POR

    5. HOU

    6. GSW

    7. MEM

    8. PHX

    9/10 DAL

    9/10 NO

    11. LAL

    12. SAC

    If were including coaches then I need to lower Houston to probably 8.

  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    This puts the Mavs over the top if they're able to re-sign Carter and Marion and they don't regress too much. They were so well coached they almost beat the Spurs. With upgrades at 2 positions and not much of a downgrade at PG. Calderon plays zero defense and was hurt. I'm afraid they're contenders if Houston doesn't match. They're not favorites but with parsons and Tyson coming in they're top 4 behind the Spurs, Thunder, Clips.

    Not much of a downgrade? Calderon is not only a very accurate three point shooter (45%) he also is a very prolific shooter (5 attempts per game). There arent many players better at shooting the three pointer than Jose Calderon.

    Hurt? He played 81 games last year.More than any ROckets starter last year.

    Felton is fat, slow, and unmotivated. If you ranked all the starting PG in the league he would undoubtedly be at the bottom.

    Check your facts please

  • Steven says 3 months ago Parsons can't sign until July 10th, by then the Bosh situation will be figured out. Then Morey will match.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago How is Dallas 9th or 10th best????

    They nearly beat SA. They upgraded their defense with Tyson. If they get Parsons that's an upgrade at SF as well. As long as both Marion and Carter come back, I don't see who they're not 4th or 5th best with Carlisle as the coach.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    Mavs lost in round one as well, money talks though.

    Exactly my point, no player signing his first deal is going to take less money to play for a contender, especially when that so called contender is only the 4th or 5th best team in there conference.

    Mavs probably came to the conclusion that Melo isnt coming and getting Parsons is the next best thing. Cuban is saavy, it will be interesting to see what the details of the contract are and if theres anything that would make it more difficult for the Rockets to match.

  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    Parsons just signed an offer sheet to probably the 9th or 10th best team in the west (ahead of LAL and NO, both who will be better next year).

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago This puts the Mavs over the top if they're able to re-sign Carter and Marion and they don't regress too much. They were so well coached they almost beat the Spurs. With upgrades at 2 positions and not much of a downgrade at PG. Calderon plays zero defense and was hurt. I'm afraid they're contenders if Houston doesn't match. They're not favorites but with parsons and Tyson coming in they're top 4 behind the Spurs, Thunder, Clips.
  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    Mavs lost in round one as well, money talks though.

  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    There is some major back scratching going on in the rockets FO. There is a reason morey let parsons get paid early. You think parsons is going to jump on the first ship to Charlotte? Not when he help build this championship foundation while getting paid early.

    Looks like all you Rocket fans who were certain Chandler and Morey had some secret deal are incorrect.

    ESPN sources say Mavericks and Rockets RFA Chandler Parsons have reached agreement on three-year offer sheet worth in excess of $45 million

    Mark Stein Twitter

    Parson's is not going to take less money to play for the Rockets. Lets not forget the Rockets lost in the first round last year, and had they won the series against Portland, they probablywould'velost in the second round to the Spurs. Staying on the Rockets is no guarantee of long playoff runs.

  • Buckko says 3 months ago

    Why not get out? They signed Pek for 15 mil a year when he doesn't compliment Love. They need an Ibaka/Howard type at C that is a shot blocker rim protector. They grabbed a PG that can't shoot . They overpaid for K Mart and are wasting Loves career. I'd want out too. Horrible management. Flip only has Flip to blame.

    The wolves and pacers need to have a center swap. Hibbert fits perfectly next to love while Pek would give the pacers a legit post presence and reliable offense.

  • Buckko says 3 months ago

    There is some major back scratching going on in the rockets FO. There is a reason morey let parsons get paid early. You think parsons is going to jump on the first ship to Charlotte? Not when he help build this championship foundation while getting paid early.

  • YaoMan says 3 months ago

    Why not get out? They signed Pek for 15 mil a year when he doesn't compliment Love. They need an Ibaka/Howard type at C that is a shot blocker rim protector. They grabbed a PG that can't shoot . They overpaid for K Mart and are wasting Loves career. I'd want out too. Horrible management. Flip only has Flip to blame.

    My thoughts exactly...

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Why not get out? They signed Pek for 15 mil a year when he doesn't compliment Love. They need an Ibaka/Howard type at C that is a shot blocker rim protector. They grabbed a PG that can't shoot . They overpaid for K Mart and are wasting Loves career. I'd want out too. Horrible management. Flip only has Flip to blame.
  • YaoMan says 3 months ago

    Kevin Love has gotten national commercials.

    True, but I would agree with JG that he's not the brand name outside of true NBA fans like the other names listed. Plus, even with that, he wants out pretty badly...

  • Steven says 3 months ago Kevin Love has gotten national commercials.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    NBA Siberia, first and foremost, would be Minnesota. As far as "brand" goes it's pretty tough to parlay playing for the T-Wolves into global marketing (which is what he is successfully doing here in both Asia and South America). Off the top of my head, only Kevin Garnett, Joe Mauer, and Adrian Peterson have managed to even get National recognition playing in Minny--and Parsons is not on any of those guys' levels.

    Other teams are likely not to appeal to him either; however, those teams also are not likely trade partners for us. The point is, he has more on his mind (and wallet) than maxing out his contract. He wants to win. He wants to continue pursuing his clothing, shoes, and modelling. He can leave a little money on the table for his contract in order to maintain his relevance in the global market.

    He has to understand that the Rockets are relevant because of Harden and Howard (and to that strange degree by Lin) and he gets to ride all of their coat tails. In Minnesota, he becomes Chase Budinger 2.0. :o Maybe he and Rubio become BFF's and he can move into the Euro market?

    This is what he has to consider when he is looking at whatever offer sheets cross his desk. If Houston matches--and they will--where does he get traded to in a year or two? How does that affect him? Is it worth the risk....with Morey holding your contract....?

    Also, uoJoe82....you are ignoring some of the context of this situation. Parsons was let out of his contract a year early. That wasn't to help our cap--it actually took about $2M more off our total cap space due to the hold his RFA produces versus his previous $900k (can't remember where I read that...it was early on after he was initially released). It was a good faith gesture and, I have very little doubt, was done only after conversations (allegedly) took place in order to make sure both sides were on the same page.

    Morey didn't just cut him loose and cross his fingers. Why do you think no one has made an offer yet? It's no secret that he isn't going anywhere and his agent is probably quietly telling inquiring teams to shop elsewhere. My guess is a number has already been agreed upon and they are just waiting for the free agency stuff to be settled.

    There is zero reason to worry here. Parsons knows if he signs a contract that overpays him, Houston will match, Houston will pay the tax, and Houston will ultimately swap him for a player that is worth $16M+. If he wants to punch his ticket out of town that is the way to do it.

    As for Hayward...I kind of like that signing. If he can put on a bit more muscle he could be a crazy good stretch 4 for Charlotte--better than McBob. There is hardly a PF in the league that could guard him on the perimeter and his shooting will help keep defenders off of Jefferson. Could you imagine LaMarcus Aldridge trying to chase him around screens all game? It just might be a sneaky-good move that makes the obvious overpay seem way better by season's end. Of course, it's Michael Jordan and he may just have a thing for white forwards from small schools (ahem, Adam Morrison). :lol:

    Multiple thoughts:

    -Chase Budinger 2.0? Based on this logic Chase Budinger is Chandler Parsons 2.0 but on a bad team. Also, if all Chandler Parsons is is Chase Budinger but on a team with two stars wouldnt it make more sense to trade Parsons and go get (trade) Budinger for pennys on the dollar (compared to what Parsons will get paid)?There the same players but in different situations right JG?

    -No one has offered Chandler Parsons yet because the teams interested in Parsons are also the teams interested in Melo & Lebron. Those teams aren't going to offer Parsons a deal until Lebron and Melo have signed. Why would you want to take yourself out of the Melo & Lebron sweepstakes by making an offer to Parsons?

    - Why does everyone think that Houston is the best fit for Parson's? Its the most familiar fit, but Best? That's a little biased. We dont know Parsons motivations and ambitions. Maybe he is more ambitious than wanting to be the third or fourth best player on a contender (Houston as a contender next year is debatable)? Maybe he wants to be the primary or secondary option on an average team? No one really knows.

    -Lets keep in mind that an average team in the East has a great chance of making the conference finals every year. If Rose is hurt again it leaves the door wide open to play the Heat (assuming the big three come back) in the ECF. So does Charlotte seem like that bad of a place? You could argue that their just as close to playing in the Conference finals as the Rockets are.

  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    Love is fairly marketable, certainly in the U.S. Even in LA or NY Parsons just isnt good enough, the city only helps so much, to be a global brand. Really only Lebron and Kobe are right now with Durant not far behind them and its not like OKC is a big city.

  • YaoMan says 3 months ago

    Already dissing our team BEFORE D12 and Bosh join forces in case that even happens. I suppose if LeBron were to beome a Rocket Rahat would find something negative to say about him, too.

    The way Rahat sees it, I suppose New Orleans will be in the NBA Finals this upcoming season.

    I like Davis' potential but I would totally disagree that he and Asik are better front court duo defensively right now. Also, even if they had any advantages defensively, it would be completely negated on offense as time and time again Bosh or Howard can leave Asik (and his square block hands) alone to make Davis' life miserable. I think either Howard or Bosh could guard him one on one anyways but why not make him pick up the ball and try to pass it off? Yeah that's a horrible assessment against Howard and Bosh.

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    @JG

    Kirby Puckett, Fran Tarkenton, The Purple People Eaters, Brett Farve, Kent Hrbeck, Jack Morris, etc. ;)

    Hmmmm, I'm not sure I'd give any of them global marketing....Favre got his in Green Bay. Morris got his fame in Detroit. I'm not talking about people sports fans would know--that's a totally different thing. Puckett got national attention...that's about it. The Purple People Eaters were from a different time.

  • Steven says 3 months ago @JG

    Kirby Puckett, Fran Tarkenton, The Purple People Eaters, Brett Farve, Kent Hrbeck, Jack Morris, etc. ;)
  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    New post: Random thoughts for July 9
    By: rahat huq

    • If I had to get one stop at that end, I'm putting in Omer Asik and Anthony Davis over Dwight Howard and Chris Bosh. Sorry guys.

    Already dissing our team BEFORE D12 and Bosh join forces in case that even happens. I suppose if LeBron were to beome a Rocket Rahat would find something negative to say about him, too.

    The way Rahat sees it, I suppose New Orleans will be in the NBA Finals this upcoming season.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    NBA Siberia, first and foremost, would be Minnesota. As far as "brand" goes it's pretty tough to parlay playing for the T-Wolves into global marketing (which is what he is successfully doing here in both Asia and South America). Off the top of my head, only Kevin Garnett, Joe Mauer, and Adrian Peterson have managed to even get National recognition playing in Minny--and Parsons is not on any of those guys' levels.

    Other teams are likely not to appeal to him either; however, those teams also are not likely trade partners for us. The point is, he has more on his mind (and wallet) than maxing out his contract. He wants to win. He wants to continue pursuing his clothing, shoes, and modelling. He can leave a little money on the table for his contract in order to maintain his relevance in the global market.

    He has to understand that the Rockets are relevant because of Harden and Howard (and to that strange degree by Lin) and he gets to ride all of their coat tails. In Minnesota, he becomes Chase Budinger 2.0. :o Maybe he and Rubio become BFF's and he can move into the Euro market?

    This is what he has to consider when he is looking at whatever offer sheets cross his desk. If Houston matches--and they will--where does he get traded to in a year or two? How does that affect him? Is it worth the risk....with Morey holding your contract....?

    Also, uoJoe82....you are ignoring some of the context of this situation. Parsons was let out of his contract a year early. That wasn't to help our cap--it actually took about $2M more off our total cap space due to the hold his RFA produces versus his previous $900k (can't remember where I read that...it was early on after he was initially released). It was a good faith gesture and, I have very little doubt, was done only after conversations (allegedly) took place in order to make sure both sides were on the same page.

    Morey didn't just cut him loose and cross his fingers. Why do you think no one has made an offer yet? It's no secret that he isn't going anywhere and his agent is probably quietly telling inquiring teams to shop elsewhere. My guess is a number has already been agreed upon and they are just waiting for the free agency stuff to be settled.

    There is zero reason to worry here. Parsons knows if he signs a contract that overpays him, Houston will match, Houston will pay the tax, and Houston will ultimately swap him for a player that is worth $16M+. If he wants to punch his ticket out of town that is the way to do it.

    As for Hayward...I kind of like that signing. If he can put on a bit more muscle he could be a crazy good stretch 4 for Charlotte--better than McBob. There is hardly a PF in the league that could guard him on the perimeter and his shooting will help keep defenders off of Jefferson. Could you imagine LaMarcus Aldridge trying to chase him around screens all game? It just might be a sneaky-good move that makes the obvious overpay seem way better by season's end. Of course, it's Michael Jordan and he may just have a thing for white forwards from small schools (ahem, Adam Morrison). :lol:

  • melvimbe says 3 months ago

    I do believe the Parsons wants to stay and Houston and get paid,and is willing to move to another team if that's what it takes. I don't think he wants to get paid to go into a bad situation, and isn't going to assume the Rockets will match, no matter what the Rockets say. He has Jeremy Lin's experience to refer to on what can happen to a restricted free agent.

    That said, I'm not sure what Parson's considers NBA Siberia. Dallas is definitely an option, and I would think Phoenix would be ok as well. I'm not sure about Charlotte.

    I agree with JG though that there is a decent possibility that Parson's doesn't even really go on the market. If the Rockets find out about Bosh up or down, or decide to give up the chase, early on, then I imagine they will offer Parson's a fair market contract, the same as they did for Scola (IIRC). There is reason to hold on to cap space at that point, as I think we'd only be willing to spend exception money at that point.

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago @Rahat

    That's Davis stuck by the three point line on Bosh and Harden and Howard blowing by Pelicans as they freeze Asik long enough for the penetration and the basket. Sorry Rahat.

    As for Durant we know he is committed to the duration of his contract but come 2016 something tells me Morey will have flexibility whether it's short contracts or something I don't understand. Morey invented the transaction game, come on now.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    Instead of Parson's taking a team friendly deal in order to add more Free Agents how about Leslie Alexander (a billionaire) pay the luxury tax?

  • webattorney says 3 months ago

    A lot of players are getting over-paid.

  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    I think that when the Lebron/Melo/Bosh dominoes start to fall the teams that miss out will start to look at Parson's as a consolation prize. There are a lot of teams that have cap space that can offer Parson's a max deal. Its already been reported that both the Cavs and Bulls will target Parson's if they are to miss out on Melo and Lebron. Those teams in addition to the Suns and Hornets (if Hayward goes back to the Jazz) could create a bidding war for Parsons.

    To expect Parson's to ignore a max offer from other teams to take a discount with the Rockets just because its a better "fit" seems ridiculous, NBA players don't take discounts on their first big NBA contract. Lets not forget that he's been the best value in the NBA for the past couple years and for him to take a team friendly contract would be mean he's earning less than market value again for the next 4 years, except this time he has chosen to take less.

    I think that the only way the Rockets are going to be able to keep Parsons is with a max deal.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @Rahat

    I agree about Charlotte. EL STUPIDORE. however they just made our situation a lot more difficult.

  • YaoMan says 3 months ago

    Once again, will remind those who refuse to acknowledge/remember that Parsons must sign an offer sheet for it to matter. Jordan can send him as many offers as he likes--they don't matter until one gets signed. Please commit this tidbit to permanent memory. :)

    If Parsons does sign a max offer sheet like Hayward for 4 yrs/$63M I think we do match....and that becomes our ticket out.

    For everyone that is concerned about whiffing on free agency--that's the back door. Sign Parsons and make sure he understands that he just became the linchpin in any mega-trade. That's the cost of getting over-paid. After this, matching salary for an elite player (Kevin Love or whoever else becomes disgruntled in the near future) becomes much easier. Chandler is no dummy and he knows he has a choice to make: stay with this team at a reasonable price, or get paid and wind up in NBA Siberia.

    I still think there is a contingency that avoids all this, keeps everyone happy, and us flexible moving forward. Why knowingly anchor yourself if it can be avoided? Would a Max 2-yr. deal for Parsons be terrible? I say no.

    To roll out a cliche (sort of), whenever the CBA closes a door, Morey opens a window.

    JG, you make the greatest point ever that no one seems to get. Hayward is not committed to the Jazz like Parsons is to Houston so he (Parsons) is not out there trying to get an offer. It's such a different scenario for Parsons. (Somewhat similar to Dirk's situation) Parsons would have to sign the offer sheet for it be matched. If someone threw him an offer near that amount and he didn't sign it, all of this is moot point.

  • Dan G says 3 months ago

    If Parsons is going to sign an offer sheet, I think we would want him to sign with the Mavs. I doubt very seriously that Cuban would offer Parsons a max deal. I don't think Phoenix would either, but Charlotte obviously is the team to worry about.

  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    If we don't get anyone and someone like charlotte, phoenix or utah offers parsons a max it would make sense to force a sign and trade and pickup someone like mkg, burks or even just a pick, Morey even screw phx by counter offering bledose a max deal. If minnesota is really keen to have him I guess you could match and hope GS doesn't come to there senses and make a love trade.

    Bosh played hard on some pretty poor raps teams i don't think effort would be an issue, just because he'd prefer not to to move and play with lebron doesn't mean he will pout like a child on another team.

    Howard wrecking guys at the rim at the end of games in the portland series is still fresh in my mind, Id take Howard and Bosh because they have that big game experience. Maybe in a year or two as howard and bosh fade into their 30s and Davis fills out a little more and really begins to understand different nuances nba defense Id be all in on that front court.

  • txtdo1411 says 3 months ago

    That last tidbit is pretty funny. I don't know how it got brought up or anything, but it is an interesting question. I would probably take the Asik/Davis frontcourt as well; although you can't really go wrong with either. But if it is late in the year, Davis is probably hurt, so you take the Howard/Bosh combo over Asik/?.

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Once again, will remind those who refuse to acknowledge/remember that Parsons must sign an offer sheet for it to matter. Jordan can send him as many offers as he likes--they don't matter until one gets signed. Please commit this tidbit to permanent memory. :)

    If Parsons does sign a max offer sheet like Hayward for 4 yrs/$63M I think we do match....and that becomes our ticket out.

    For everyone that is concerned about whiffing on free agency--that's the back door. Sign Parsons and make sure he understands that he just became the linchpin in any mega-trade. That's the cost of getting over-paid. After this, matching salary for an elite player (Kevin Love or whoever else becomes disgruntled in the near future) becomes much easier. Chandler is no dummy and he knows he has a choice to make: stay with this team at a reasonable price, or get paid and wind up in NBA Siberia.

    I still think there is a contingency that avoids all this, keeps everyone happy, and us flexible moving forward. Why knowingly anchor yourself if it can be avoided? Would a Max 2-yr. deal for Parsons be terrible? I say no.

    To roll out a cliche (sort of), whenever the CBA closes a door, Morey opens a window.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago Do we match Parsons at max money if we get Bosh? If we don't, I think we let him walk.
  • Chichos says 3 months ago

    So now that the Jazz will match for Hayward its only a matter of time before Jordan offers the same deal to Parsons... Let's just hope he has spent all his time golfing and has no viable plan B after Hayward.

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