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Huq’s Pen: I’m feeling a little Melo

  • If you’re reading this, you are no doubt aware of the rumors surrounding Carmelo Anthony’s purported interest in the Houston Rockets.  Shockingly, I’ve seen some places where some who are inclined towards this team have expressed hesitation regarding such an acquisition.  I underscore ‘shockingly’ because such a maneuver should be considered a no-brainer.
  • To begin, as I quipped on Twitter very recently, the mere revelation of said interest, in concert with the reality of Dwight Howard’s capitulation this summer, evokes the words of the esteemed philosopher Michael Jones who once famously said, “back then [they] didn’t want me, now I’m hot [they] all on me.”
  • ‘Capitulation’ because, as the Chronicle reported last season in a story which surprisingly gained little national steam, the impetus for Howard’s infamous ‘opt-in’ was an agreement in principle between Orlando and the Rockets, at the deadline, to send the center to The Third Coast.  Howard wanted no part of such a move and killed talks with the contractual formality.  Of course this summer, he took $30million less to join us.  Because Houston is now a desirable destination.
  • And as you painfully might recall, the team spent what felt like (at the time) the better part of a decade wooing Anthony by dangling packages frontlined by Kevin Martin in trade talks.  Anthony’s heart was set on New York and he forced his way there (forcing through new rules in the latest collective bargaining agreement in the process.)  Now, with the Knicks an absolute embarrassment to professional sports, the talented forward reportedly has wandering eyes.  Because Houston is now a desirable destination.
  • All that’s left now are for Chris Bosh and Chris Paul (and whoever else we chased) to head over, Ipad in tow, with a cameo by Pau Gasol and we’ll have come full circle.  Morey at this point is like the pimple-faced band geek who stumbles upon Crossfit (or whatever fitness innovation is in vogue at the time of reading) a semester before prom and finally snags the head cheerleader.  In the movies, the geek would then, filled with indignation, shun the cheerleader, rewarding some homely creature who saw worth in him before his newfound repute.  In real life, the geek gladly snags the cheerleader.
  • Which leads us to Morey: those watching last week’s Jekyll and Hyde impromptu which saw this team drop three straight after topping three of the league’s best teams in the previous three affairs, if viewing objectively, no doubt came away feeling a bit disturbed.  As I explained in the previous edition of this column, I’ve bought in to the fact that this is a ‘very good team’ sure, but ‘true’ contender they are not.  That should be painfully obvious to the impartial observer.

  • Something’s missing and much of that “something” is born from the reality of Dwight Howard’s mortality.  To wit, this is not intended to be taken as a slight on Howard.  He’s been great, a true max player, and a force which has transformed this outfit into a 55+ win team.  But those of you who responded to my comments regarding Howard following the Oklahoma City loss saying that it was “just one game” are missing the point.  It wasn’t just one game.  It was the latest in a disturbing pattern of disappearances by Howard against our prime competition.  As our own Forrest Walker so perfectly put it at the time, the fact that Howard could not best Steven Adams is absolutely “chilling.” If I asked you today, in a Game 7 tomorrow against either the Thunder or Clippers, whether Howard would be more likely to total 30 and 20 or 10 and 5, 99% of you would choose the latter.  Chilling.
  • I’m reminded of an observation I made towards the tail end of the McGrady-Yao era that every season, the team begins the campaign appearing as if to boast an embarrassment of riches, and then every season they end the year looking like “McGrady and a bunch of scrubs.”  Now, that’s certainly a harsh comparison and this team certainly boasts a wealth of talent.  But at the end of close games, one can’t help but feel James Harden is alone on an island.  Beverley and Parsons, for different reasons, are incapable of creating for themselves in tight situations.  Against the better teams, Terrence Jones becomes so inept that he can’t even get on the court while Jeremy Lin might as well be wearing diapers.  And Howard, for all of his prowess, becomes neutered due to his turnover woes and free throw shooting inabilities.  The issue of “hero-ball” is a different one, but Harden is on an island.  The team needs something else.
  • And again, that last point is not meant as an indictment.  The team has been marvelous, right on schedule, maybe even exceeding any realistic expectations for this year.  But if we’re being honest with ourselves, it’s clear that they don’t have enough to top the Thunder.  ’Melo has his warts, yes, but opportunism is a tricky game.  You may prefer Kevin Love but at the cost of a) not getting him and b) losing yet another year of Howard/Harden?  Morey takes the bird in hand at that point.
  • I shouldn’t need to speak of the merits of adding Anthony to this lineup.  It would transform this offense into unguardability, especially when coupled with the powers of the two existing superstars.  Look at Anthony’s numbers off catch-and-shoots or his efficiency as a supporting star.  With Anthony at the ’4′, good luck to anyone guarding that cast.  Some might argue that he’d have to guard the man-sized 4′s in the West; I’d retort that they’d have to guard him.  
  • And I also don’t see Anthony as a downgrade from Terrence Jones defensively.
  • There are several necessary ingredients to a successful sign&trade: the player must want to come to the team, the current team must prefer the new team’s assets to losing the player for nothing, and lastly, there must exist some viable threat of the player signing on some other team outright for the current team’s acquiescence.  All of those ingredients would seem to exist but the problem here is that that “viable threat” (Chicago) in this case is so viable that it may actually be preferred, in Anthony’s mind.
  • Chicago is the bigger market.  But if he’s smart, Houston is the choice.  There are no “ifs” in Houston.  Joining Howard and Harden, the Rockets become the best lineup in the league.  With the Bulls, there is the looming uncertainty of Derrick Rose’s future.  The problem is that I’m not sure winning is Anthony’s sole objective.
  • What makes this situation so marvelously unique is that New York is literally the one team in the entire league that might realistically not balk at the prospect of taking back Jeremy Lin.  Anyone else would just want the cap space for a clean rebuild.  But the Knicks?  You could very realistically see them pocketing Terrence Jones, trading Omer Asik for a draft pick, and selling Linsanity to their fans in what would be a rebuilding year.  They’d then have him off the books the next year and could figure things out.  That doesn’t apply anywhere else.  And that’s what makes this whole thing so delicious.  This is very, very real, folks.  And what we learned last summer, from the Dwightmare, is that anything can happen.  If you’re a fan of this team, you should want this to happen.

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  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @08huangj

    another reason we likely will move our picks is we will more than likely have to send at least one first rounder to get rid of Lin. Asik has value. I don't see any problem moving him. we didn't move him earlier this year because our asking price was to high, however we still could have moved him if we desired. Lin on the other hand is a whole different ballgame. considering his contract and his play........it's going to take draft considerations

  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @08huangj

    I disagree. late first round draft simply don't have the appeal they use to. the draft is a crap shoot to begin with. the chances of a team getting an impact player that late are slim at best. high second round picks are valued more because of the flexibility in contracts teams can offer over late first rounder's.

    I don't believe the Rockets are to worried about their first round pick in the context of bringing in more young talent. right now ourfirst round picks are trade bait. whether we chase Melo, Rondo, Lowrey, Lebron, Bosh or even Wade we will more than likely have to do so via trade. at this point we must see our next few picks as trade grease to turn the wheels of a trade

  • Buckko says 5 months ago I'm looking forward to the rockets grabbing the super athletic defensive swing man KJ Mcdaniels this draft.
  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    And, in my opinion, any first round pick is valuable. Role players(Lin) are valuable. Bench players(D-Mo) are valuable. Asik is really valuable. Your hypothotical trade is just not worth it for the Rockets. Melo isn't worth that much. And remember that Melo is not perfect: He has consequences. And if ya wanna trade for Melo, you gotta fill in the other spots, too. I'm not really high on Isaiah Canaan or Jordan Hamilton. And I don't think D-Mo should play center. He should be playing the 4.

  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    08huangj

    those two first round picks have little value. the Rockets finished tied for the sixth best record in the league this year which at best puts this years pick at 24. based on the fact that the Rockets are bent on improving their record next year and again in 2016 their draft picks will be useless when compared with the benefit of having Melo

    Melo is a great scorer, yes. He's good at getting the rebound, yes. But,you also have to remember there are also consequences in getting Melo. Melo's defense sucked in New York, maybe not in Houston. We simply can't have 2 players in the starting team who don't play defense. We also have 3 elite players who want to go hero ball and play isolation. Does he even fit in the Rockets offensive/ defense system? I don't know: I don't think so. I'm not saying that Melo will bring more negatives than positives, but he does have some problems.

  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    08huangj

    those two first round picks have little value. the Rockets finished tied for the sixth best record in the league this year which at best puts this years pick at 24. based on the fact that the Rockets are bent on improving their record next year and again in 2016 their draft picks will be useless when compared with the benefit of having Melo

  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    I would do your hypothetical trade if you minus those 2 first round picks. They're just way too valuable.

  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    @08huangj

    Bradley over Melo? or just Bradley in some other deal? because if you mean Bradley over Melo I couldn't disagree more

    I didn't say I would take Bradley over Melo. But if you're going to give up Lin, Asik, Parsons or D-Mo, and 2 first round picks for Melo, it's just too much. I would say trade for Bradley with another trade.

  • Willk says 5 months ago

    I just went and perused the free agent list....lots to like in the mid-range salary level. Also quite a few impact players available like Eric Bledsoe, Lance Stephenson, Ariza, (I'm not counting Lowry--sorry), Pau Gasol (unlikely), Darren Collison (if he opts out...he's played really well this season), Luol Deng, and Mike Scott (Who????? He's buried on Atlanta's bench behind Millsap, but the guy is a tough stretch 4 who can score inside and out. I like him)..there are plenty of others....a team like Houston is set up to capitalize in this free agency period. If we empty the cupboard trading for Melo there's lots of cheap options available to fill in the gaps. If not, there are excellent mid-level options to solidify what we've already got. :)

    I also like Darren collison. Averaged 24 mins per game 11.5 points. Above average 3 point shooter. Played backup PG/SG. Also started at PG when CP3 was injured and at SG when Redick was injured. Above average defender and does not turn the ball over. Top 5 in PPS.
  • Willk says 5 months ago

    I think we really need better 3PT% guys. Assuming no big deal is done, I wouldn't mind trying for Jordan Farmar or Mike MIller. Make the defenses stop dropping help into D12. With the bulk rate 3's we take, have a couple larger percentage guys would be phenomenal.

    Others I like:

    Anthony Morrow
    Patty Mills
    Avery Bradley
    Jimmer Fredette

    Just to name a few. Avery and Farmar are above avg defenders, as well.

    A decent backup to the PF would be nice as well - some games TJ just wasn't in it.

    I really like that you brought up Patty Mills. He is an above average defender and a great 3 point shooter.
  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @08huangj

    Bradley over Melo? or just Bradley in some other deal? because if you mean Bradley over Melo I couldn't disagree more

  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    @FSS

    I don't know if I can take another year of Lin :lol:one man can only stand so much. I agree Miller would have been a better acquisition. his basketball IQ makes up for a lot of his physical limitations. Devin Harris is interesting. looking back now we should have kept Livingston.

    @Buckko

    it's going to take a lot more than Lin to get Melo. Lin's cap figure is only 8.3 mil......Melo's is 23 mil. the Rockets only have about 5 mil difference they can play with in a trade. they must match within that 5 mil in salary. even if Melo signs for let's say 21 mil, the Rockets would have to send NY 16 mil in contracts to make the trade work because of the fact NY has no cap room. so at a very minimum Lin/Asik will be required. I could see a three team trade where NY, Boston and Houston make a deal that looks something like this

    Houston sends Lin + Asik + D-Mo or Parsons+ 2014 1st + 2016 1st to NY

    NY sends Melo to Houston and Tyson Chandler to Boston

    Boston sign and trade Bradley to NY + send future 1st the NY

    remember it takes two to tango. if the other teams involved have no benefit what would motivate them to do a trade? you don't get something for nothing. if we get Melo you can bet it will cost. NY may not be in position to demand a king's ransom, however a prince or duke's ransom is not out of the question

    Well, if Boston is willing to give up Bradley, I would get him instead.

  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    all we have to do to get Melo is sic Parsons on him :lol:

  • timetodienow1234567 says 5 months ago I like Jimmer but he couldn't play with Harden.
  • Freebird says 5 months ago

    I think we really need better 3PT% guys. Assuming no big deal is done, I wouldn't mind trying for Jordan Farmar or Mike MIller. Make the defenses stop dropping help into D12. With the bulk rate 3's we take, have a couple larger percentage guys would be phenomenal.

    Others I like:

    Anthony Morrow

    Patty Mills

    Avery Bradley

    Jimmer Fredette

    Just to name a few. Avery and Farmar are above avg defenders, as well.

    A decent backup to the PF would be nice as well - some games TJ just wasn't in it.

  • Cooper says 5 months ago

    The suns will lock up bledose. I feel like the lakers panic if they don't get melo and overpay Stephenson. Pau and Dwight don't really fit or get along all that well but he'd certainly be worth a shot on a smaller deal, can't think of a team thats an obvious fit for him. Deng or Ariza would be solid gets if they can carve out the space or sign and trade, but Ariza probably remains a wizard their gm won't want to lose a major piece to an ecf team. I also like Pierce or Jodie meeks as a third wing player. If the melo/rondo dream fades at least there are some guys that can help while keeping flexibility going into the future.

  • feelingsupersonic says 5 months ago

    @FSS
    if Melo comes to Houston this is no longer Hardens team. Harden will be forced into a D-Wade roll. as for the relationship between D-12 and Melo, I know they are close friends. Melo sought Howard out during allstar week for advice on how to handle his FA. one would have to be a fool to believe Howard didn't include a recruiting pitch within that advice hence Melo's interest in Houston


    That's right I forgot about that meeting they had. I'd imagined they spoke about Melo coming to Houston as well. Can't believe I forgot that, my memory is going!
  • bladad says 5 months ago

    DENG>ARIZA

    Amazing on ball defender. Can shoot/pass/and run an offense when necessary. Seems like a no brainer.

    Stephenson is going to be prohibitively expensive. He legitimately has the ability to command the type of contract that Harden got when he left the Thunder. Pau and Dwight's troubles have been documented for the past two years. I haven't seen enough of Bledsoe and Collison to draw conclusions of how they would fit on the team.

  • thejohnnygold says 5 months ago

    I just went and perused the free agent list....lots to like in the mid-range salary level. Also quite a few impact players available like Eric Bledsoe, Lance Stephenson, Ariza, (I'm not counting Lowry--sorry), Pau Gasol (unlikely), Darren Collison (if he opts out...he's played really well this season), Luol Deng, and Mike Scott (Who????? He's buried on Atlanta's bench behind Millsap, but the guy is a tough stretch 4 who can score inside and out. I like him)..there are plenty of others....a team like Houston is set up to capitalize in this free agency period. If we empty the cupboard trading for Melo there's lots of cheap options available to fill in the gaps. If not, there are excellent mid-level options to solidify what we've already got. :)

  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @FSS

    if Melo comes to Houston this is no longer Hardens team. Harden will be forced into a D-Wade roll. as for the relationship between D-12 and Melo, I know they are close friends. Melo sought Howard out during allstar week for advice on how to handle his FA. one would have to be a fool to believe Howard didn't include a recruiting pitch within that advice hence Melo's interest in Houston

  • feelingsupersonic says 5 months ago

    I'm not 100% on Devin Harris' health but I did see him get run that series Dallas just lost. If someone knows better correct me I believe Harris has about ten years experience, can play both SG and PG, seems like he would start or come off the bench as long as he was in the rotation, is a willing defender, can hit a 3 (36%) which could be maximized (maybe 40%) in Houston's scheme, also of note I saw a shot chart of his and it looked like Moreyball, seems on the rebound and could be hungry, can handle the ball and might be a good deal. Just some opinions, I would like to see someone added to the roster to add competition and Harris seems like a candidate in my mind.

    I like Melo and if that happens then great. One thing I was wondering, is there any kind of public knowledge on any ties between Melo and Howard? Seems like I haven't heard much on them to that ease or trouble my mind on those two gelling. If Melo comes to Houston I think it's still Harden's team, am I crazy?

  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @FSS

    I don't know if I can take another year of Lin :lol:one man can only stand so much. I agree Miller would have been a better acquisition. his basketball IQ makes up for a lot of his physical limitations. Devin Harris is interesting. looking back now we should have kept Livingston.

    @Buckko

    it's going to take a lot more than Lin to get Melo. Lin's cap figure is only 8.3 mil......Melo's is 23 mil. the Rockets only have about 5 mil difference they can play with in a trade. they must match within that 5 mil in salary. even if Melo signs for let's say 21 mil, the Rockets would have to send NY 16 mil in contracts to make the trade work because of the fact NY has no cap room. so at a very minimum Lin/Asik will be required. I could see a three team trade where NY, Boston and Houston make a deal that looks something like this

    Houston sends Lin + Asik + D-Mo or Parsons+ 2014 1st + 2016 1st to NY

    NY sends Melo to Houston and Tyson Chandler to Boston

    Boston sign and trade Bradley to NY + send future 1st the NY

    remember it takes two to tango. if the other teams involved have no benefit what would motivate them to do a trade? you don't get something for nothing. if we get Melo you can bet it will cost. NY may not be in position to demand a king's ransom, however a prince or duke's ransom is not out of the question

  • feelingsupersonic says 5 months ago

    Anyone throwing the idea around of the Rockets making a play for Devin Harris? It's already passed and I'm not sure his game would have fit but I sure would like to have seen Morey pick up Andre Miller, a veteran with a steady hand. Anyway I think Devin Harris would work well with Harden and who ever stays out of Beverley and Lin, maybe they both stay.

  • bladad says 5 months ago

    Which means he'd fit right in on the Rockets with their Big 3. He could get paid better with more of a chance to be a PG in Houston. He still shoots better from # than Rondo does, AND has shown he can play off the ball effectively. That's something that Rondo has never been able/willing to do

  • Buckko says 5 months ago Not really hard to be able to shoot the 3 when everyone is focusing on the big 3 and he's not even a marksman by any means plus what does he have to prove. He gets paid well for a roll player in a cushy job.
  • bladad says 5 months ago

    Rondo is working on his shot and why is everyone so high on chalmers? He's basically a less tenacious Beverly and the Miami whipping boy.

    He can shoot the three. Has played/won/started on a championship caliber team that plays amazing defense. Will probably come cheaper than Rondo. Has something to prove after leaving the shadow of Lebron and DWade if he leaves.

  • Buckko says 5 months ago

    Rondo is working on his shot and why is everyone so high on chalmers? He's basically a less tenacious Beverly and the Miami whipping boy.

  • bladad says 5 months ago

    PG Wishlist:

    1. Chalmers:YES! Plays on a championship winning team and know what it takes to win. Plays good defense. Plays in a system where he gets to run the offense and has to defer at other times. May also be open to the opportunity of growing into a larger role on a team that could use starting PG help.

    2. Lowry: He's the man in Toronto at the moment with a really young, talented, and athletic team. I don't think there is a chance in hell that he would come back to a team that he left because of management and the coaching situation.

    3. Rondo: NO! Gambler on defense. Probing, slashing game doesn't space the floor well. Moody teammate.

    Also, signing Carmelo, while flashy as all hell, is not the right move. You're taking another star player with sticky hands who doesn't play defense with another star player with hero ball tendencies who also doesn't play defense. OFFENSE ISNT THE PROBLEM. DEFENSE IS.

  • Buckko says 5 months ago IMO RBF, that is too much of a price for not enough gain. We have zero defense besides Howard while making ourselves weaker at the most crucial position in the NBA, point guard. With rondo we can easy keep asik and a 1st or parsons while spending far less cap space which we could use for a 3&D wing like ariza if we trade parsons.
  • rockets best fan says 5 months ago

    @Buckko

    I too am a Rondo fan, but if PG is the position we choose to upgrade I prefer Lowrey. he's both cheaper and has a better outside shot. however if we get our pick of the litter from available players I still choose Melo. Melo is an unstoppable scoring force and he's notquite as bad on defense as advertised. I agree the only way I see us getting Melo is via sign and trade. even if we manage to trade both Lin and Asik with no return salary incoming we still don't have the room under the cap. point is I think NY will be very open to the idea when faced with the idea of loosing him for nothing. I think a precedence has beenset thelast fewyears, when Cleveland lost Lebron and when LA lost D-12. teams can no longer afford to allow assets to get away from them without proper compensation. fact is it's viewed as a majorstep back for any franchise. if it become apparent Melo is a lost cause you can bet NY is willing to play ball. I say something in the range of Lin + Asik + Parsons + 2014 first round pick + 2016 first round pick should be able to get it done.

  • Cooper says 5 months ago

    Yeah thats fair, I guess it would depend on how easily the rockets could trade lin or asik for cap space.

  • Buckko says 5 months ago

    Well to counter your point, you would have to S&T or dump contracts with picks for melo. Lin, and 2 1st or lin, parsons, a 1st should do it. The rockets would be trading for an expiring contract so they won't have to pay as much as at the trade deadline.

  • Cooper says 5 months ago

    Rondo is a better choice than melo.

    Not when you have to trade for rondo.

  • Buckko says 5 months ago Rondo is a better choice than melo.
  • 08huangj says 5 months ago

    Since the Rockets season has already ended, there's not much to do except for talking about roster adjustments. Adding Melo? It sure does feel like that Houston is a better choice than Chicago.

  • feelingsupersonic says 6 months ago

    They're all on the outside of washington D.C.. Most people who work in D.C., don't live there. They just commute from outside areas.


    Adams Morgan, Penn, Logan Circle and some areas near Georgetown offer young professionals great options for restaurants and entertainment. These are not suburbs. I have friends that live there and some that sell beverages in that market.

    So yes you could commute if you don't know anything about DC or want to live in a suburban or rural area but there are great neighborhoods inside DC.
  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    About the whole mid-range shot thing. I believe Morey has spoken. With both words and by ridding the roster of anyone who depends on that shot. It is a done deal. Do not mourn its passing.

    Even if you try to minimise the number of shots you take from there as the Rockets do, it's still nice to have players who stand a decent chance of making it if they are forced to shoot from that area. Provided you can deter Melo from settling for a midrange shot, there's no reason why that facet of his game wouldn't be useful...it just has to be used sparingly.

    ST

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    They're all on the outside of washington D.C.. Most people who work in D.C., don't live there. They just commute from outside areas.

  • feelingsupersonic says 7 months ago

    Who would want to live in D.C.. Be tax to death in crime filled ghettos. Sounds great.


    Are you crazy? DC has all kinds of very hip and happening neighborhoods especially for people in their 20's and 30's. There are great neighborhoods there.
  • 08huangj says 7 months ago

    Neither Melo or Harden play defense.

    Completely disagreed. Harden has picked up his defense in the past few games....... :)

  • 08huangj says 7 months ago

    @Rahat

    I totally agree with the analogy regarding midrange shots. they should be limited but not eliminated. as for Chicago being the more glamor destination for Melo........hard to get a read on his line of thinking at this point, but the nature of D-Rose injuries must be weighed if he has any wisdom. if he had only missed a year and returnedto form this year Chicago would probably be a clear front runner. howevertwo years in a row? also.......even when he was playing in the early part of this season he didn't look anything like the MVP candidate he played like pre-injury. I say base on Melo's recent experience with teammates being injured and unable to preform at all-star level and watching how that took a promising team on paper to the dumpster fire that this Knick's season has been, will be heavy on his mind. not only are we healthy....were young........which should keep him competing for championships for the remainder of his career.................Houston 1 Chicago 0

    Agree for your theory on three point shots. But, as for if Melo will choose the Bulls or the Rockets, you should really mention Joakim Noah cause he was ranked 4th in Elhanssan's top 5 players.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    Chicago has a much better cap situation than us and can offer more money we don't have. Not to mention where are the rockets going to unload lin and asik because Chicago can offer a much better S&T than Houston can. Honestly I say don't waste time with melo. Wait for durant, reason being howard has an early termination option that same off season if I'm correct and can resign for less money with signing KD.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    some of you guys seem to think Phil Jackson has more influence than he does. while I will admit his personality does carry weight, he has very limited resources to work with in NY. it will be at least 2 years before he can even really get going. NY has almost no draft picks.......this is their situation.......

    2014 first toDenver, 2014second to Houston, 2015 second to Houston, 2016 first to Toronto after swap with Denver2016 second to Portland (31-37 protected) 2017 second to Toronto and as for picks coming to them.......they get a 2014 second from OKC and a 2014 from Sac (top 55 protected)......................let me sum that up for you.......between now and 2018 the Knick only have 1 first rounder (2015) 2 second rounder's, one of which is heavily protected. (2014)

    so basically getting help from the draft is not an option. he has no cap space until 2015 when Chandler, Stat and Bargnani fall off the booksat which time he also has no team. if Melo stays only him JR Smith, Felton (provided he stays out of jail) andHardaway jr., will be left with Shumpert in RFA.

    looking at the stars who could possibly be available in2015the only games changers appear to be K-Love or Aldridge and even their situations may both iron out before then. the first real chance NY will have to get a real game changer is when Durrant comes up in 2016.

    looking at possible trades on the horizon for NY.................nothing short of divine intervention can help move the contracts on their books while bringing in something that could be useful. if they are able to move one it will probably be Chandler, and based on his 14 mil price tag for his limited skillset the return will be downgraded even though he is a big man. expiring contracts don't bring the same value they did just a couple of years ago, so them getting a haul from one of theirs is less likely.

    can Phil sell that to Carmelo? ......maybe, but it's going to take a lot of peyote :lol:

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Harden shoots well from the midrange if defenses are willing to give it up, if one of parsons or lin even beverley could develop a reliable midrange shot It would make the team a lot harder to defend. They don't have to use it all the time but if theres no threat from there its too easy not having to bother with defending a significant part of the court especially in the playoffs where defensive intensity is way up and teams really take advantage of matchups.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    About the whole mid-range shot thing. I believe Morey has spoken. With both words and by ridding the roster of anyone who depends on that shot. It is a done deal. Do not mourn its passing.

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    lebron isn't leaving miami to be by himself in NY. Phil Jackson isn't jesus, Pat Riley is just has big influence and he's actually constructed a team before.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    LeBron BP (before Phil hiring) " I can't see myself leaving Miami!"
    LeBron AP (after Phil hiring) " NY has become very interesting!"

    Phil doesn't care for Melo's shot selection and Miami has to do something (Next year LeBron 20.6 mil/ Bosh 20.6 mil/ Wade 20 mil.....3 players equal to or greater than the estimated salary cap next year). Haslem is due 4.6 mil, Bird-man is due 1.4 mil & N Cole is due 2 mil.......that's 8 mil between these 3 (2 have player options). Gives the Heat about 7 mil to be just under the luxury tax and 4 mil apron. Florida and Texas do not have a state tax;
    so I could see a sign & trade of Melo to either Miami or Houston.

    Miami: Bosh/Melo/Wade/Haslem/Bird-man/N Cole and fill-ins
    NY Knicks: LeBron & cast-offs or fill-ins

    Or

    Houston: D12/Melo/Harden/Beverley.........TJ or Parsons
    Knicks: Asik/Lin/.......TJ or Parsons................absence of Melo opens way for LeBron to exercise his option and join this NY group this summer.

    .........Houston may have interest in bringing our foreign players to our squad......Marco Todovic (sp??) Center/PF or Kostas Papanikolaou (SF) or even Sergio lull (PG) may be ready to play against the best (if he can be bought out). Like Miami with 3 superstars comes great cost and bigger
    "Diva" status. Neither Melo or Harden play defense.

    Holy mackerel Alice! LBJ leaves Miami over Riley's dead body. Wonderland is such a lovely place.

  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago LeBron BP (before Phil hiring) " I can't see myself leaving Miami!"
    LeBron AP (after Phil hiring) " NY has become very interesting!"

    Phil doesn't care for Melo's shot selection and Miami has to do something (Next year LeBron 20.6 mil/ Bosh 20.6 mil/ Wade 20 mil.....3 players equal to or greater than the estimated salary cap next year). Haslem is due 4.6 mil, Bird-man is due 1.4 mil & N Cole is due 2 mil.......that's 8 mil between these 3 (2 have player options). Gives the Heat about 7 mil to be just under the luxury tax and 4 mil apron. Florida and Texas do not have a state tax;
    so I could see a sign & trade of Melo to either Miami or Houston.

    Miami: Bosh/Melo/Wade/Haslem/Bird-man/N Cole and fill-ins
    NY Knicks: LeBron & cast-offs or fill-ins

    Or

    Houston: D12/Melo/Harden/Beverley.........TJ or Parsons
    Knicks: Asik/Lin/.......TJ or Parsons................absence of Melo opens way for LeBron to exercise his option and join this NY group this summer.

    .........Houston may have interest in bringing our foreign players to our squad......Marco Todovic (sp??) Center/PF or Kostas Papanikolaou (SF) or even Sergio lull (PG) may be ready to play against the best (if he can be bought out). Like Miami with 3 superstars comes great cost and bigger
    "Diva" status. Neither Melo or Harden play defense.
  • YaoMan says 7 months ago

    I want Melo so I hate to say this: he fits better with Bulls than us.

    They have a better coach, Thib did a great job with whoever he had for last two years.

    A huge market for him and his wife, so it won't be a serious downgrade.

    Melo doesn't need to take a back seat to Noah and Rose. Rose will still be good but won't be the same as before. So, stage is set for Melo.

    Agreed. Chicago would be a more suitable target to Melo's liking given his past demands and desires. If they have changed since his time in NY then who knows but based on past history, the windy city would seem like one of his top destination should he decide to leave.

  • YaoMan says 7 months ago

    Even as a chronic optimist, I have a hard time believing Parsons would take a hometown discount. He's been called the most underpaid player in the NBA/the league's best value contract for a couple of years now. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would turn down a couple extra million per year when he's already been performing at a level much greater than his pay scale.

    Weighing in on the broader topic, I'm of two opinions about bringing in Anthony. The analytic brain in me says to sell high, grab Melo, and become one of the top contenders in the West, if not the favorite. Offload Lin and Asik, and if it takes Jones or Parsons plus a first round pick to grease the wheels, so be it. That's the cost of doing business and you go for any move that improves your short term and long term prospects of winning it all.

    But my dang sentimental heart gets in the way. My heart doesn't care that Lin has slumped since the All-Star Break (Except for these last couple of games!). I want him to play for the Rockets, win a championship with us this year, and help us defend the title next year with a Sixth Man of the Year trophy to boot. My heart refuses to give up on Asik, even if he gave up on Houston for a while. Did you see the passion he played with the other night with Dwight cheering him on? Those dunks? That block?! I want him to win it all this year, then publicly say he doesn't want to be traded because he wants another ring with us in 2015. "Jones is so young and full of potential," my heart keeps saying. He's got the tools to become an incredible player next to Howard. What happens once he figures out defense and starts hitting from three at a better rate? Yeah, my brain knows Parsons will probably never be as valuable in a trade as he will be this off-season. But my heart cries out that he's a big reason for Houston's success this year and last. He texted Dwight enough to help bring him here! He shaved his head for a sick kid! Edit: Don't even get me started on D-Mo. He might be my favortie Rocket right now.

    I don't say this to advocate one way or another. I know that I have no bearing on these decisions, so it's of no use to me to create a bodily civil war between my heart and head. I simply write to acknowledge that I'm torn asunder by the trade rumors. Perhaps my chronic optimism will kick in in the aftermath, whether Melo moves to Houston or the players I've grown ever so fond of stick around.

    Drew, you can count me in as one who wants to live your dream as well. I share you sentiments exactly...

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @Rahat

    I totally agree with the analogy regarding midrange shots. they should be limited but not eliminated. as for Chicago being the more glamor destination for Melo........hard to get a read on his line of thinking at this point, but the nature of D-Rose injuries must be weighed if he has any wisdom. if he had only missed a year and returnedto form this year Chicago would probably be a clear front runner. howevertwo years in a row? also.......even when he was playing in the early part of this season he didn't look anything like the MVP candidate he played like pre-injury. I say base on Melo's recent experience with teammates being injured and unable to preform at all-star level and watching how that took a promising team on paper to the dumpster fire that this Knick's season has been, will be heavy on his mind. not only are we healthy....were young........which should keep him competing for championships for the remainder of his career.................Houston 1 Chicago 0

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    About shots, I believe taking rim & 3 ONLY is a bad idea. Player should take any good open looks even if that was a long 2. Hey, sometime they had to take circus shots which is only "basketball move" available during the play.

    We want Melo and it is easy for us to say he should come here to have a better chance at championship.

    He not only has to give up money but also has to share the lights, shots, and stats. He might not be given a chance to take final shots, his PPG and other numbers could get worse. And he has to share the cave with two big lions.

    Not an easy decision for him for sure. I am afraid he chose a happy medium and went to Chicago.

  • Red94 says 7 months ago New post: On midrange, Phil Jackson, and the Chicago Bulls
    By: rahat huq

    Some interesting thoughts have been popping up in the forum and on Twitter in reference to our dialogue on these pages regarding Carmelo Anthony.  First, the most common reasoning I've seen espoused in opposition to an Anthony pursuit involves the "no midrange" philosophy with the thinking being that because Anthony shoots too many midrange shots, he's inefficient and thus, not a good fit on this team.  It's important to address this.

    For some time now, I have been of a minority opinion regarding the philosophy in that its not that I don't see its merits but rather, I don't wholeheartedly buy in.  My theory, which unfortunately I do not have the math skills to be able to quantify, is that the soundest way to build a system--and thus, at a micro level, a player--is by focus upon rimshots and 3's, with mere avoidance of midrange shots rather than complete and total abandonment of the area.  The philosophy is a great way to lift a 37 win team to 45 wins or an All-Star to superstar status; but I don't think, if using it, a 56 win team can win a title, nor do I think an All-Star can lift his play to 'all-time great' status.

    The primary example I point to as evidence is Lebron James' Game 7 against the Spurs.  The focus Lebron James has put into his efficiency through the use of analytics has been well documented.  Look at this shot charts through the years and you see less midrange shots with each passing season.  But he essentially won the title solely because of the work he put in on his midrange shot.  Had that shot not been falling in Game 7 of last year's Finals, with the Spurs having completely shut down the paint, the Heat go home as losers.  In essence, I think that as a team, and by extension as a player (or I guess maybe just for your best players), you want to put your focus upon 3's and the rim, but you also have to be able to shoot from the midrange because the great teams are able to take the first two away by packing the paint and quickly closing out on shooters.  Now, to be clear, I want to underscore this distinction.  I'm not saying midrange shots should be taken in bunches.  That would be inefficient and the math has already proven that out.  What I'm saying is that they shouldn't be totally abandoned.

    Anthony as your best player presents problems inherent to this logic.  But as your third best player?  It's pretty much a no-brainer.  You can still attack the paint and shoot 3's all night with Howard/Harden and your role players, but late in the fourth, you have another option who can squeeze off shots in tight spaces.

    A lot of you said that the Phil Jackson hiring shut down any chance of Anthony bolting.  While that development certainly exponentially increased the odds of 'Melo staying in New York, I think its foolish to think that makes it a lock.  What Jackson's arrival does is give Anthony a convenient 'out'.  Had the Knicks kept the status quo and had Anthony stayed, he would have appeared greedy and only in it for the money.  Now, he can stay, keep the extra $30million and just say at the press conference that he has trust that Jackson can right the ship.  But this is assuming 'Melo doesn't care for winning.  One point lost in this whole discussion is the crucial distinction between the situations in New York and Miami.  The Jackson hiring is often analogized with Pat Riley's presence in the Heat front office with the thinking being that as it was Riley's influence which swayed Lebron to join the Heat, Jackson can similarly persuade Anthony.  The discrepancy here is that the proper analogy should be 'Melo with Dwyane Wade (not Lebron), and with the Knicks, there is no second superstar or prospect of acquisition.  I don't care how charismatic Riley is/was, had the Heat not had the cap space to sign James, Wade would have bolted.  Similarly, Jackson may be the best personality in the league, but what exactly is he going to sell to Anthony?  The forward is already closing in on 30.  I'll say this: Anthony either really doesn't care for winning and/or Jackson is really charismatic if the former agrees to waste yet another year of his prime waiting for '15 free agency and promised Knicks revival.

    And that brings us to Anthony and his motives.  If he cares about winning in the very least, he's out of New York.  No amount of mental gymnastics can change that.  But what of Chicago vs. Houston?  We are in strange territory these past two years in that during the Yao years, especially during the Chris Bosh pursuit, it was the Rockets with the "if healthy" cloud hanging over their superstar and franchise.  Derrick Rose and 'Melo would make for a deadly combo, but who knows what direction Rose's career will take?  In Houston, the Rockets boast two healthy superstars in the primes of their careers (well, for Howard, sort of, but he's healthy at least...).  If Rose truly were healthy, Chicago would make the most sense.  Plug Anthony into that lineup, with Thibs' scheme at the other end, and the Bulls probably win the title.  But in reality, Houston is clearly the best choice.

    And that's why I think Anthony chooses the Bulls.  It's not about winning, for Anthony.  And that's fine.  I can never fault a man for pursuit of fame and fortune.  As in all things in life, career success is not some binary black/white designation.  Leaving New York isn't about "winning at all costs."  It's about at least having a chance to win.  Houston presents Anthony the best chance to win a title, but Chicago presents him a chance while also allowing him to hang onto the glitz of the big city lifestyle.  That latter perk is something he can sell his wife for letting him bolt the Big Apple.  But hey, the Rockets are in this thing.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    I find the Melo talk just brutal to read. His strengths and weaknesses overlap Harden's to such a degree I find it impossible to believe they can exist together on the floor at the same time. Would there be enough shots to go round? Who would play defense? Harden is putting up historic numbers at the SG spot. Why would anyone take the ball out of that 0.616 TS% mans hands is beyond me. Harden is absolutely fourth quarter clutch. Melo? Not so much. The Rockets offense functions near the top of the league. They have scoring galore. Defense? There is where improvement can be easily made. Do you notice a difference when D-Mo is in for Jones? Absolutely. The defense is rock solid. The athleticism drops a notch, but opponents have much more trouble putting the ball in the hoop. Just saying.

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    That's what Virginia is for.... B)

  • Buckko says 7 months ago Who would want to live in D.C.. Be tax to death in crime filled ghettos. Sounds great.
  • jorgeaam says 7 months ago

    I have a feeling Harden and Durant have had and will have conversations about playing together. Maybe it could happen in Houston.

    As far as Melo goes Morey needs to maintain future flexibility, it's the name of the game. If Parsons had to go I would like to be a fly on the wall in those meetings.

    Well, remember Durant was a Texas Longhorn, so the feeling must be there.

    Anyways, it seems more and more possible Houston adquires a third star somewhere in the near future, which is great!

  • feelingsupersonic says 7 months ago

    If it weren't 2 years away I would agree with you 100%. Durant is on the verge of ousting LeBron from "best player on the planet" status (if he hasn't already).

    Since we're in fantasy land, is it possible that he may want to return home? He was born in Washington, D.C. Imagine John Wall, Durant, Beal, Gortat, and whoever they get to play PF. It's possible....

    Maybe he's ready for one of the big time markets like New York/LA. The Knicks will have cleared their books and Phil will have a couple of years to have done whatever it is he's going to do. Prokorov will probably have had all of his bad contract players "taken care of" so that he can start from scratch. The Lakers will be done with Kobe too.

    Seriously, if you are an NBA GM and haven't started wooing Kevin Durant you aren't doing your job.

    I'd love it if he was able to come here--he is amazing to watch.


    I have a feeling Harden and Durant have had and will have conversations about playing together. Maybe it could happen in Houston.

    As far as Melo goes Morey needs to maintain future flexibility, it's the name of the game. If Parsons had to go I would like to be a fly on the wall in those meetings.
  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago Another point I would like to make.....Bill Simmons (Boston Homer) suggested the Rockets should include Parsons in a Rondo deal at the trading deadline. His logic was that Parsons wouldn't be more than a 20 points per game guy. Bosh points per game while in Miami yr 1) 18.7/game yr 2)18/game yr 3)16.6/game yr 4) this season 16.6/ per game.......Does the third option need to score 20+ points per game? Role players are important too! I looked it up at the time......there were 15 guys making 20 to 20+ points a game.
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Since we are talking long shots here I would rather the Rockets hold out till the summer of 16 for Durant. I know, I know it's the pipe dream of all longshot dreams but we have to be in the running at this point. Durant cannot win a title in between now and then and the Rockets need to at least get to the Finals. Fans can dream right?

    If it weren't 2 years away I would agree with you 100%. Durant is on the verge of ousting LeBron from "best player on the planet" status (if he hasn't already).

    Since we're in fantasy land, is it possible that he may want to return home? He was born in Washington, D.C. Imagine John Wall, Durant, Beal, Gortat, and whoever they get to play PF. It's possible....

    Maybe he's ready for one of the big time markets like New York/LA. The Knicks will have cleared their books and Phil will have a couple of years to have done whatever it is he's going to do. Prokorov will probably have had all of his bad contract players "taken care of" so that he can start from scratch. The Lakers will be done with Kobe too.

    Seriously, if you are an NBA GM and haven't started wooing Kevin Durant you aren't doing your job.

    I'd love it if he was able to come here--he is amazing to watch.

  • Jatman20 says 7 months ago Rockets Points Per game season average: Howard (18.6)...TJ (11.7)...Harden (24.8)...Parsons (16.1)...Bev (10.1)= [81.3 per game>
    ......................Lin (12.4).......Asik (4.6)......DMo (5.5) = [22.5 per game>.....total per these 8 players [103.8 per game>

    Near the trading deadline I suggested a trade for Melo for a title run this year. Not sure the Rockets need such a deal in the off season.
    I expect increases to points per game from D12, TJ, Parsons and Bev.

    Rockets Points Per Game 14-15 season avg: Howard (20)......TJ (14)......Harden (24).......Parsons (19)........Bev (14)= [91 per game>
    ****11 games in March Bev averaging 12.5 points per game. Solid starting 5 !!

    DMo can be an adequate backup center whose production can increase over the summer. Asik and Lin contracts may not be moveable or we may just want to let them play out their contracts with mild production expected....if not modest increases-----icing on the cake. Add Covington & Canaan
    to the mix plus a decent 1st round draft pick at a need position. PG/ Beverley, Lin, Canaan and Center/ D12,Asik, DMo possibly 3 deep and set.

    If the deal can happen without giving up any of the starting 5...... I would be happy. I have confidence in Melo playing nice with D12 and Harden.
  • feelingsupersonic says 7 months ago Since we are talking long shots here I would rather the Rockets hold out till the summer of 16 for Durant. I know, I know it's the pipe dream of all longshot dreams but we have to be in the running at this point. Durant cannot win a title in between now and then and the Rockets need to at least get to the Finals. Fans can dream right?
  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    Phil won by taking over and coaching teams that were already close to a title. Any reasonable fan realize the Knicks are at least 2 years away and that is only if they keep Melo and sign players next summer. Phil is now 68 and doesn't even want to live on NYC, so how much say in the day to day team is he going to have? Plus there is still the second worst owner in sports (Donald Sterling being the worst), who at any time could meddle and force what he wants to happen. Signing Phil was the typical Knicks move, all sizzle no steak.


    Sterling has historically been a horrible team owner without a doubt. The Clippers with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin among others a team to be dealt with the next couple of years.

    So who's to say that with Phil Jackson and his 11 rings putting Nolan in his rightful place that the NY Knicks can or cannot figure things out these next couple of years inclduding resigning Carmelo??
  • Steven says 7 months ago

    Really?? Why would Melo go to Chicago when he is obviously and most definitely the Man in NY the next 3-5 years under some Dude with a first name of Phil. Wait------does Phil actually have more rings than his hands can deal with?? Oh.


    Phil won by taking over and coaching teams that were already close to a title. Any reasonable fan realize the Knicks are at least 2 years away and that is only if they keep Melo and sign players next summer. Phil is now 68 and doesn't even want to live on NYC, so how much say in the day to day team is he going to have? Plus there is still the second worst owner in sports (Donald Sterling being the worst), who at any time could meddle and force what he wants to happen. Signing Phil was the typical Knicks move, all sizzle no steak.
  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Phil really helps the knicks case but its not a lock melo stays, the roster still sucks and the only tradable players are Melo THJ and Shump and they have no picks so melo would be betting the rest of his career on phil bringing in another big time free agent in 2015 when bargs amare chandler and those guys are all off the books. Thats putting a lot of trust in one guy, to not look around at your other options.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago Really?? Why would Melo go to Chicago when he is obviously and most definitely the Man in NY the next 3-5 years under some Dude with a first name of Phil. Wait------does Phil actually have more rings than his hands can deal with?? Oh.
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    I want Melo so I hate to say this: he fits better with Bulls than us.

    They have a better coach, Thib did a great job with whoever he had for last two years.

    A huge market for him and his wife, so it won't be a serious downgrade.

    Melo doesn't need to take a back seat to Noah and Rose. Rose will still be good but won't be the same as before. So, stage is set for Melo.

    You may very well be correct...Thibs works wonders.

    Houston falls right behind Chicago in market share so I'm not too concerned about that.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    I want Melo so I hate to say this: he fits better with Bulls than us.

    They have a better coach, Thib did a great job with whoever he had for last two years.
    A huge market for him and his wife, so it won't be a serious downgrade.

    Melo doesn't need to take a back seat to Noah and Rose. Rose will still be good but won't be the same as before. So, stage is set for Melo.


    Thibs is such a great coach that the Bulls keep winning NBA Titles over and over and over again these past few years. NOT!!!!!!!!!
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Melo is not coming to Houston. How much clearer do I have to be on this topic??

    You're crystal clear. I'd say your work here is done.

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    I want Melo so I hate to say this: he fits better with Bulls than us.

    They have a better coach, Thib did a great job with whoever he had for last two years.

    A huge market for him and his wife, so it won't be a serious downgrade.

    Melo doesn't need to take a back seat to Noah and Rose. Rose will still be good but won't be the same as before. So, stage is set for Melo.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    :lol: My followers?!?! I like that. I'm pretty sure that list begins and ends with my shadow... :lol:

    Look, I have been focused on trading Parsons over Jones (hypothetically) which I know offends you. That's fine. Deal with it. I don't care what Jackson thinks, says, or does because in this scenario Melo is already coming to Houston. It's an assumption that is being held--no one is claiming to know what will happen--except you.

    If you would like to discuss the Rockets fight for a #2 seed please feel free to start a thread about it or use the thread Drew started "Fighting for Seeding" to stimulate some conversation.

    The disparagement you have cast around today about this website, it's writers, and members makes me wonder what it is that brings you here.


    Melo is not coming to Houston. How much clearer do I have to be on this topic??
  • rocketrick says 7 months ago I dare to speak what others are too hesitant to say.

    In the end, I will be at the Rockets playoff games in person.

    Who else on this board will be there with me for good or bad??
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Good grief. Like you and the rest of your followers decided to even talk or discuss Phil Jackson joining the Knicks and how that may or could effect Carmelo's choice(s) in the next few short months.

    That's OK, disparage me all you want. That is very definitely the choice of this Board and Forum. Just read the posts for the past 2 weeks on this subject on this board and it's quite obvious the tone being set.

    In the meantime My Rockets are battling for the #2 seed and not a whit of mention of that fact and most important goal is even opened for discussion on this worthless board.

    :lol: My followers?!?! I like that. I'm pretty sure that list begins and ends with my shadow... :lol:

    Look, I have been focused on trading Parsons over Jones (hypothetically) which I know offends you. That's fine. Deal with it. I don't care what Jackson thinks, says, or does because in this scenario Melo is already coming to Houston. It's an assumption that is being held--no one is claiming to know what will happen--except you.

    If you would like to discuss the Rockets fight for a #2 seed please feel free to start a thread about it or use the thread Drew started "Fighting for Seeding" to stimulate some conversation.

    The disparagement you have cast around today about this website, it's writers, and members makes me wonder what it is that brings you here.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago Good grief. Like you and the rest of your followers decided to even talk or discuss Phil Jackson joining the Knicks and how that may or could effect Carmelo's choice(s) in the next few short months.

    That's OK, disparage me all you want. That is very definitely the choice of this Board and Forum. Just read the posts for the past 2 weeks on this subject on this board and it's quite obvious the tone being set.

    In the meantime My Rockets are battling for the #2 seed and not a whit of mention of that fact and most important goal is even opened for discussion on this worthless board.
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    So why quote his story in your response?

    I didn't. Rick, you might want to slow down a little.

    You made it a point to state, strongly, that nobody--not a single soul--had mentioned Phil Jackson. I pointed out that you were incorrect and cited the posts which did mention Jackson. I then invited you to tell us about why Jackson is so relevant to the conversation.

    Since you have tossed the 1st amendment around this morning, does it not also apply to the rest of us. You are upset that we are discussing Melo, and not being the kinds of fans you seem to find respectable. Is it not our right to speak freely. Is it not our right to have freedom of assembly? It is your right to disagree and be angry, but no one is making you come here. Why do you feel compelled to chide us for speaking freely about what interests us?

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago So why quote his story in your response?
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Hey JG, I love Pina just as much as any serious Rockets fan on this forum.

    His take on Carmelo joining the Rockets is a very long and painful stretch that I suspect even you would admit is very, very unlikely.

    So why are you trying to make me look like a fool here?

    It's not me doing that.....

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago Hey JG, I love Pina just as much as any serious Rockets fan on this forum.

    His take on Carmelo joining the Rockets is a very long and painful stretch that I suspect even you would admit is very, very unlikely.

    So why are you trying to make me look like a fool here?
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    For sure your buddy that you chose, and it was you that chose, not me, quoted about Carmelo in some fashion coming to Houston.

    Really, this is the best you can do and you dare to imply that I am stupid?

    Look RocketRick, there is no need for this. No one called you stupid nor implied it. I also mentioned Michael Pina's article--an entire article--that goes into detail about it. You can read it HERE.

    I'm really not sure what your first sentence is saying. Sorry.

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago

    IDK about this one... There's only one ball... You complain about the about the ball getting stuck now... Imagine a lineup where you have Dwight, Beard, and Melo; seems like that lineup there would entail way too much hero ball.

    1) First few possessions Carmelo goes to get his
    2) Sooner or later, James wants his and starts jacking terrible shots
    3) Dwight now wants the ball or he'll stop rebounding

    And I'm in agreement with Rockets Best Fan because Phil Jackson is a basketball genius. I have a feeling Houston would be forced to package good contributing cheap players like Parsons and TJ for this deal to work.


    For sure your buddy that you chose, and it was you that chose, not me, quoted about Carmelo in some fashion coming to Houston.

    Really, this is the best you can do and you dare to imply that I am stupid?
  • rocketrick says 7 months ago Sorry JG, and you know I respect your prior posts, numerous times, and numerous times....................

    So anyway, NY is Carmelo and Carmelo is NY.

    It's OK if you disagree with my take, the Truth will be confirmed in a fairly (for the NBA) short time.

    I will be right but probably not even here to discuss further as I am about to be banished forever for disagreeing. Oh well.
  • uojoe82 says 7 months ago

    As intriguing as a Harden, Hamilton, and Carmelo looks on paper a lot has to go right for this to happen let alone work on the court.

    First of all I'm not sure the Rockets are more attractive then Chicago. Chicago can clear space by amnestying Boozer and wouldn't have to gut the team to get Melo. If Melo doesn't sign outright with the Knicks, they could do a sign and trade for a combination of Butler and draft picks. And the Bulls could also offer the chance to play with an elite PG in Rose.

    Do the Knicks even want what the Rockets have to offer? Asik is a nice piece but his skills are redundant with Tyson Chandler. The Knicks fans would love to have Lin back but the Knicks dont have a problem putting butts in the seats so appeasing the fans inst necessarily a concern. Also with Phil Jackson calling the shots are Lin and Asik his type of players (even for just a year)? Adding Jones and/or Parsons to the package gives the Knicks some young pieces but is it enough? Parsons is great as a 3rd or 4th option but on the Knicks he becomes option 1 or 2, not sure he is the same player when defenses scheme to stop him. Right now he probably is the biggest beneficiary of playing with D12 and Harden, Is he a good enough playmaker to be a teams #1 option? I dont think so. With Amare and Andrea Bargnani playing the PF spot and eating up the majority of the salary cap there's no way Jones gets minutes unless injuries bite Amare or Andrea (which is probable).

    And another hurdle in getting Melo to Houston is his wife. LaLa is big personality (not a big celebrity) and staying in NY or moving to a more metropolitan city such as Chicago, Miami, or LA is probably more to her liking.

    Lastly, does Melo even fit with the Rockets? The Rockets want transition baskets, shots at the rim, and corner threes. Ive only seen Melo do one of those (rim shots). With Harden and Melo does D12 even see the ball in the post? His role on offense is likely to diminish greatly with Melo and I doubt Howard came to the Rockets just to play defense and rebound. He seems to be the type of player that plays better on defense when he's happy on offense. Because of this I'd rather see Asik play with Harden and Melo.

    This looks great on paper and whenever a player of Melo's abilities is available you have to try. But a lot has to go right for this to even happen and if it does happen the complimentary pieces around the "big 3" will be cheap players and not very good. Will veterans players chasing a ring flock to Houston to play with Harden, Melo and D12? The Heat were able to attract great role players such as Battier, Mike Miller, and Ray Allen. But I attribute this to the chance to play in Miami, the chance to play with LeBron, and the chance to play for a ring. Houston can only offer the one of those three.

    And I almost forgot to mention that even with Melo, Harden, and D12 you face the same problem the Rockets face now, who is the leader?

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    @Rahat, a very nice read. Agreed with what you said most.

    But I am wondering why should Knicks do this trade? By your takes, neither TJ nor Parsons is good enough long term plan for any franchise.

    Plus they have to take Lin and Asik. I bet Knicks might go after other free agency guys (lowry, Randolph, or even LBJ) instead of trading/renting players they couldn't build around.

    It's a good question. No one is saying Parsons is bad. I'm perfectly happy to keep him here. The bottom line is Melo is better and if he comes here it renders Parsons somewhat obsolete and out of place.

    New York will have no problems taking back Lin. They can either trade Chandler or Asik can be dealt to a third team (read: Atlanta) and they can send New York something else they'd like.

    Also, the proof is already in. Parsons and Jones can be solid contributors on a very good team--they can be built around--they already are.

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    I will probably be banished from this site for simply disagreeing.

    Nobody, not a single soul, has mentioned Phil Jackson in this scenario.

    I guess some dude that just happened to win a few rings (11 or 12, I forget) just does not matter at all.

    Banishment? No. Admonishment?.......a little.

    Your claim is not true. He was mentioned in Pina's piece and Mr. Lobble also mentioned him.

    What's your point? Your post, while filled with sunshine, doesn't say much except that you seem to think little of your fellow forum members and even includes a nice little dig at the moderators. Instead of chiding us for not talking enough about what you seem to find important, perhaps explaining to us why you feel it is important and worth consideration would be more useful and interesting reading. It would be like a discussion or exchange of ideas. Instead, you poked your head in, sneered at everyone else, and left. How charming.

    This entire thread is based on the presumption that Melo wants to come here and that Morey wants him too. After that, it is speculation about fit and what pieces we would be willing/required to give up to get him.

    Phil Jackson, while a very talented and accomplished man, has no sway over this thread. If you believe he is going to step in and convince Melo to squander his last years of elite talent while he fixes the mess that is the Knicks then please tell us about it. Jackson has no leverage over Melo. Melo can do what he wants. He is a free agent. New York can either let him walk or try to get something in return.

    In my opinion, the only thing that can keep Melo in NY is his wife--and that is a very distinct possibility.

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    @Rahat, a very nice read. Agreed with what you said most.

    But I am wondering why should Knicks do this trade? By your takes, neither TJ nor Parsons is good enough long term plan for any franchise.

    Plus they have to take Lin and Asik. I bet Knicks might go after other free agency guys (lowry, Randolph, or even LBJ) instead of trading/renting players they couldn't build around.

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    You make good points and observations. We do disagree about his potential growth. His growth rate is slow, but it also continues to show progress. I think he is going to get to a solid Horace Grant Level (possibly better) where he is the perfect kind of guy to play next to some stars and do all the things you need your PF to do when defenses lock in on your other guys.

    Jones' perimeter game is a work in progress. You're right that he is limited in his abilities out there and is leaning heavily on the little he has to work with; however, I would paint a different picture when looking at his work inside. He has excellent body control and fluidity around the rim. He seldom fails to finish around the basket. My presumptions about him are that he will eventually have that level of comfort on the perimeter and be able to get around his man in a variety of ways.

    On defense, more time is needed, but not much. I think they are going to teach him to use his lower body strength better and he should also get better at team defense in general. All in all, despite his lack of elite jumping ability I think he can be a solid defender for us.

    Check out this chart from NBA.com. This shows the league leaders in contested rebounding percentage with a minimum of 40 games and 25 mpg. Mr. Terrence Jones finds himself at #14. Not too bad, really.

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    Again, it's not about Jones being the best PF in 3-4 years. We all know that is not going to happen (presumably). It's about asking what kind of guy fits best on this team (much like the Parsons problem) and I think he is the perfect fit (once he gets up to speed).

  • rocketrick says 7 months ago I will probably be banished from this site for simply disagreeing.

    Nobody, not a single soul, has mentioned Phil Jackson in this scenario.

    I guess some dude that just happened to win a few rings (11 or 12, I forget) just does not matter at all.
  • Red94 says 7 months ago New post: On the case for including Chandler Parsons in a Carmelo Anthony trade
    By: rahat huq

    Forum moderator John Gold had an interesting take last week in response to my thoughts on a proposed Carmelo Anthony deal to the Rockets.  He says that while the conventional wisdom dictates that the team would most likely include budding power forward Terrence Jones in an Anthony deal (along with Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin), the Rockets would be wise to include critically acclaimed supermodel Chandler Parsons in lieu of Jones.

    While I disagree with Gold's take that Jones' upside is higher than Parsons', I would have to agree with his overall thesis regarding Parsons' worth, a belief I've been forming since late last season.

    First, on Jones: I'm not as high on him as most seem to be.  To wit, he's been marvelous in filling the role he's been asked to fill.  But as I've said numerous times, I don't trust him in a playoff series against the big boys, and when I look at him, I don't see the budding All-Star everyone else sees.  He doesn't have the elite indicators you'd look for in a young player to prognosticate high level growth.  He's average athletically (what makes him look so above-average in this department, at times, is above average length.  Watch him fail to get anything around the rim against the likes of Ibaka and you'll realize his weaknesses), has dreadful form on his jumpshot, and makes all of his moves as the result of muscle memory motion.* (More on this below.)  In fact, his best chance at taking his game to another level is re-working the mechanics on his jumpshot so that he can be dependable from anywhere a la Carl Landry.  Unfortunately, it's very rare for an NBA player to put in that kind of effort.  (Players work on their shots, sure, but it's a rare thing to change form. )  What has made Jones such a revelation this season is his ability to fill in the gaps: he runs the floor hard, cuts hard, and has good hands; he's the perfect role player to fill the open spaces created by the massive presence of Dwight Howard.  When those things are taken away, because he has little in a vacuum, he struggles against the big boys.

    *Muscle memory motion is a term I just made up about five minutes ago.  Next time you're playing pick-up, unless its at a ridiculously high level, notice that 99% of the guys do some of the same moves every time, regardless of the situation.  Everyone has a pet move they do, and they've done it so many times it's become second nature.  The problem is when you do that some motion every single time.  It indicates that that player is not really thinking but just acting involuntarily.  That's the case with Terrence Jones and that crossover.  When he's on the perimeter, he's going to just bust out that same crossover dribble, regardless of the second line of defense.  (A fascinating point Steve Nash made in the recent Bill Simmons podcast was that he felt Amare didn't really make the big leap until he started reading the second line of defense later in his career, because he had never learned how to play the game properly growing up.  Jones can learn too but Amare is one of the hardest working athletes in the NBA and was also in the top 1% athletically...)  Now watch James Harden, or any point guard.  They make moves with their mind, not their muscle memory.  They do different things based on different situations.  I digress: this post was supposed to be about Chandler Parsons.

    It's not an indictment upon Parsons to remark that his greatest quality is his pricetag.  I've seen people get indignant when this point is raised, as if it means Chandler Parsons sucks otherwise.  That's not what I, or I think Gold, am/are saying.  But at $10million (or even more), he's just not as attractive.  And as this seasons wears on more and more, we're starting to see that maybe Parsons isn't the best fit in the world next to Harden, due to the defensive inabilities of both.  Throw Carmelo Anthony into the mix, another player not too interested in playing that end of the court, and you can see why keeping Parsons might not be the best idea.  Again, none of this is meant as an indictment against Parsons.  It's not so much about him as it is about the make-up of this team.  If our guards were Gary Payton and Hersey Hawkins, as was the backcourt enjoyed by Parsons' 90's era doppelganger Detlef Schrempf, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  But our shooting guard is James Harden.  And Harden is one of the three or four most brilliant scorers in our league, so he gets a pass for his defense.  But something else has to give.

    A sidenote: Parsons' decision to eschew the defensive side of the ball these past two seasons in favor of adding to his offensive totals is one of the most rational, economically sound deliberations I can remember by any Rocket in recent history.  He probably earned himself an extra $10million over the life of his next contract just by that evolution.  If he's giving 100% effort on defense, he's probably averaging around 12 points per game, with our team defense improved; he probably earns some praise and backhanded compliments here and there but he still wouldn't be seen as a "stopper."  That probably nets him around $7million annually.  But 17ppg?  Sure, the team suffers, but now he's in the conversation as an eventual All-Star.  I don't blame him one bit.

    My overall point here is this: I'm not saying the team should look to get rid of Chandler Parsons or that they eventually shouldn't resign him.  But, as I said during the Rondo talks, I don't think he should be considered a dealbreaker when pursuing an elite level player.  And Anthony, unlike Rondo, isn't inclined on the defensive end, making this point even more relevant.  If it came down to New York saying Parsons or no-go, I have strong feelings on what the Rockets should do.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @It's Dee Way Ferrell

    the time where athletes are loyal too one franchise are long gone in the modern free agent environment. if GM's are unable to build good teams stars will not hang around and ride out the storm anymore. on one hand can you blame them? on the other hand it's bad for the league because it almost always guarantees large media markets have the best chance to sign these players. small media markets can still build teams, but it just got a lot harder. I'm on the fence with this argument because I can understand the logic in each view. however the league has always had super teams. it didn't just start when the attitude of the players changed. only difference now is the players are getting in on some of the action. so overall it hasn't affected my love for the game because even though the puzzle is put together differently the result is the same.

  • Steven says 7 months ago Collision implies illegal activity. That is a serious charge. Needs a little proof to throw out the accusation. The only known collision that I know about is the Joe Smith/ McHale deal that was voided and caused the Wolves to loss draft picks.
  • It's Dee Way Ferrell says 7 months ago

    I still have the bad feeling would melo willing give up the alpha role. You can discuss Olympic melo, but those are closer to pick up games than real NBA. Would melo willing become the next wade? I do have to say though, if the heat don't 3peat and with health and age against Miami. Wouldn't you try for lebron? Nice climate and no income tax like Flordia. A very young and healthy team. Lebron being much more of a play maker than scorer in melo would demand far less shots from H&H. He's already accustom to playing with an elite 2-guard. Food for thought.

    Not unless LeBron playing point, it's just we need a 3rd scorer. I admit lebron James does score but let's not kid ourselves, he's never been a better scorer than Anthony not even in high school. Since Morey been in Houston I can't remember when Morey ever mentioned or even hunted that he'd want LeBron in Houston. But I do know he wanted Melo for years because he does fit the mold the game plan inside and out, way out. James was built for the front lines meaning every player had to take a back seat and not too many will let alone Harden and Howard. James don't fit, besides if he had played the same in Cleveland as he did in Miami he'd still been a champion. I guess even the tin man thought he had to go to oz for a heart

    Side note:
    I have a great disdain for the NBA right now. It's messed up. All this Collusion to make super teams. I'm used to superstars being loyal to the game and the team. It's no loyalty in the game anymore. It's all show, no substance. Kobe, Ray Allen, K.G. and Duncan Are The last of a dying breed. There's no blame both sides are at fault, players and GM's.
  • Steven says 7 months ago

    Ahh yes. UFA. But why would Parsons ever leave Houston for the same money? Maybe he wants to pursue a modeling and acting career in LA? It certainly would not be for better company, a more respected coach, more money or a better chance at the chip. Dare I say home team discount?

    IMHO people constantly over rate Jones. Yeah he may be athletic and quick, but he has not shown the slightest clue on defense. He is not big enough (and may never be big enough) to hold position down low with the likes of West. And he is not quick enough to stay with power forwards like Blake. Have you noticed that he never seems to "go off" against the better power forwards in the league? Is he more likely to go off for 30 against Utah, or to give up 10 quick first quarter points to Blake? And may I point out that Jones is currently in his fourth year of excellent coaching and great competition with Kentucky and the Rockets? D-Mo (who should probably be starting, but is to valuable as a backup center/PF on the bench) is in his second year of competitive competition and coaching. No, Prokom cannot be considered as either. Between the three, trade Jones and hold on to D-Mo and Parsons. How valuable is a top ten small forward in the NBA? Is not D-MO on schedule to become by far and away the best NBA back up center in 2015 when Asik leaves?

    I will leave you to ponder that question.


    You do know that D-Mo got three years under one of the greatest big men ever when he was a teen. Arvydas Sabonis was the president of the team that D-Mo was on that won the 2007 Euro Juniors tournament. He is the reason the NBA players started playing in the Olympics. So when D-Mo was growing up he was getting better coaching the Jones did until they both got to Houston.
  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    The reason I made the Josh Smith comparison is less about Smith's shot selection (which obviously the two do not have in common), but more about the spacing and defensive issues the Pistons are having this year.

    When a tweener plays the three, there isn't really the room for them to get the to the rim. According to basketball reference, the percentage of shots Melo has taken at the rim this year is down 6% compared to last year, and most of them have been redistributed to the mid-range. And while I'm sure the Rockets' system would emphasize threes instead (he's shooting 41% on the season!), I think playing him at SF would significantly reduce the effectiveness of other parts of his game. When I think of Anthony I think of him in the post or bullying his way to the rim for layups and putbacks. It's so much harder to do that effectively with two other big bodies to share the court with, even if one of them is capable of spreading the floor.

    The other area the Pistons have struggled is defensively. Now, Drummond and Monroe don't provide anywhere near the same level of paint protection as Howard does, but a lot of the Pistons problems actually stem from being unable to stop penetration from the perimeter. Playing Josh Smith against an opposing wing is not helping this - against smaller opponents he is giving up a speed advantage almost every night. Carmelo would face similar problems on that end of the floor, I think. Can you see him picking up all of the players Parsons gets asked to guard on a nightly basis? I realise Hamilton could pick up some of the slack, but he'd be coming off the bench so wouldn't be much help against starters.

    ST

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @SirThursday

    I am inclined to agree with JG.....Melo can be effective at either position. however the teams we play in the west are unlikely to pull their PF's because they are allstars. LMA, Blake, Z-Bo, Duncan, Love, or Ibaka will not be pulled because of mismatch. on the other hand besides Durrantula what other SF is going to be able to exploit Melo? my line of thinking is Parsons isnearing his ceiling. I like the player Parsons is, but how much more can we really expect him to grow? there is little room left IMO, whereas T-Jones is just cracking the egg on his potential. it really comes down to personal preference. both players will be good NBA players IMO, but T-Jones will be the better player over the long haul in addition to the financial benefit of having more time on his rookie deal. I agree with JG I don't want to end up with a very expensive spot up shooter and with Melo in tow that's what Parsons would become

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    I completely agree with you SirThursday--as odd as that sounds--about Carmelo at the 4. In my mind, we will be retaining Jordan Hamilton as well. I kind of see it as a match-up opportunity for us. Depending on the opposing teams' defensive weakness we can move Carmelo between 3 & 4 and always be able to put a solid, off-ball 3&D/slashing, rebounding, cutting, do-it-all kind of guy around him.

    I am also presuming Jones makes a Parsons-like leap over the Summer and is able to put his separate skills together into a more cohesive, more powerful entity.

    Getting back to Melo, I got curious to see how his numbers fluctuate between SF and PF. The stats (for what they are worth) show that he is equally effective at both positions (although I can't find a W/L comparison--which is what we are most concerned with--given his running mates I'm not sure it is fair to draw conclusions from this either).

    82Games.com shows his PER and opponent PER to be solid at both positions. LINK

    B-Ball reference shows about a 60-40 split between PF and SF for Melo this season. I think most of his time at SF comes when they have a healthy Stoudemire to play alongside him--which is kind of how I envision Jones.

    Again, a lot of this comes down to my concern over Parsons' back and its effect on his ability to get by defenders and attack the basket. If that goes away we will have a very expensive spot up shooter on our hands.

    It's a tough call as there is risk either way. If Parsons stays healthy and continues to expand his game then keeping him is a solid move. If Jones continues to develop on both sides of the ball then I think he is the solid choice.

    You mentioned Josh Smith--is there a more infuriating player in the league? The guy could dominate if he would just put his skills to work for himself better. Instead, he plays to his weaknesses. What a waste...and that's the difference between Smith and Anthony...Anthony can dominate anywhere on the court.

  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    I had an eloquent response I was about to post and then my browser crashed so here are the key notes:

    Drew, I agree and would prefer to win with these guys. If we do trade for Melo I think Parsons is the player with the most value and the one we can most afford to lose. (still hurts to say it)

    NorEastern, Jones has 2 years at Kentucky, 1 year in the D-League, and a combined 82 NBA games under his belt including last years' games.

    Parsons is in year 7 of excellent coaching if we use college years too. Billy Donovan is no slouch at UF.

    Comparing Jones and his 1 year of actual NBA experience to Blake Griffin (4 years in NBA and a #1 pick), LaMarcus Aldridge (8 years in NBA and a #2 pick), Kevin Love (6 NBA years--4 1/2 years worth of games-- and a #5 pick), or any other Western Conference stud PF like Ibaka, Duncan, Gasol, Randolph, Nowitzki, Anthony Davis (how good is he going to be?!?!?), etc. is not very fair in my opinion given that he is essentially a rookie to the NBA.

    The way I see it is as a 4th/5th wheel playing around that trio (Harden, Howard, Anthony) he would fit better, contribute more of what is missing, and still has that very high ceiling that he can then develop into. Parsons will be somewhat neutered by the move in my opinion as he does not do as well playing off the ball as Jones.

    This is of course all speculation about speculation and rumors so it really doesn't matter. Just stating my opinion. I'm perfectly happy keeping Parsons AND Jones and winning some championships. I think that is very doable in a season or 2. :)

    I'm glad I am not the one who has to actually make the call. If I'm New York, I push as hard as I can to get them both.

    See when I'm envisioning Carmelo on the Rockets I am thinking of him strictly as a 4. In today's NBA, playing tweeners at the 3 is a BAD idea (see Smith, Josh). When the Knicks were having success with Anthony last season it was because they were playing him at PF and forcing teams to pick between using a smaller or slower defender on him. But if you put him at SF all that goes away because the opposing team will have two bigger guys to wall off the paint and make life difficult for him. And that's not even beginning to talk about the defensive end, where Melo will struggle against quick motion on the perimeter as an SF but will be much more of an asset as a PF defender.

    If we were to trade Parsons but keep Jones, then IMO we would need to bring in an SF to fill the void Parsons leaves behind and would be playing Jones at backup PF. I'm not sure that's the best course of action. Better to have a starting five of Beverley/Harden/Parsons/Carmelo/Howard that fits really well together rather than having to develop another glue guy to plug into the lineup.

    Jones may blossom into a star - that's great! But we don't need more than one star per position. So either we develop Jones or we trade for Carmelo, but IMO going both is not a good call.

    ST

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    Everyone, great responses to my Parsons giving a hometown discount remark. We won't know till we know.

    The summer of 2015. What a critical time for the Rockets. Morey's salary plans coming to a head. Parsons heading into UFA. Howard and Harden under contract, the same for D-Mo and Jones. The critical issue that summer is that Morey can offer a near max contract to someone in an excellent free agent market. Love? And then match any offer for Parsons that seems reasonable. Maximum flexibility. Plus a get out of jail free card to to wantonly exceed the CBA cap with the signing of Parsons. And still stay under the luxury tax. We can speculate. Morey will make the right decision.

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Blake has been the third best player in the league this year, he used to be way overrated but he's filled out his game a ton and isn't rattled by contact and the cheap shots he takes down low anymore.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @NorEastern

    I agree with Drew on Parsons taking a discount. it's highly unlikely. if the Rockets want to keep Parsons they must ante up. I expect him to make something in the 9-12 mil per range depending on who's bidding......and there will be bidders. if Parsons goes over 12 mil per I expect the Rockets to let him walk. remember how Boston was trying to get him at the deadline? remember how Minny gave amax offer sheet to Batum forcing Portland to match? Parsons will be in demand. that's why I expect the Rockets to decided his fate this summer. riding his contract out has risk. I'm sure the Rockets felt they were going to sign Dragic when he hit UFA, but it didn't happen. to risk losing Parsons for nothing (which would leave a hole at SF) trying to chase a bigger fish is not something I think Morey will do. Yes he will still chase the big fish, but after Dragic I don't think he will give the UFA another go.

    as for T-Jones..........I don't know why you don't like him, but you are entitled to your opinion on him. we don't view him the same way. while you are busy pointing out his faults you left off all of the things he does well. did you really expect a second year player who is getting his first full year playing to blow Blake Griffin out of the gym? T-Jones isn't the only one who Blake Griffin scores on. he's a max contract player for a reason. it's a fact that the western conference is stacked with star PF's. T-Jones is learning how to play against these guys and you don't earn your strips without taking a few butt whippings. I like how he progressing.

    you beat me to the punch again JG :lol:

    NorEastern this isn't a competition between Parsons and T-Jones. I agree with JG I like them both, but if we are talking about Melo in tow.....and we need to give up one of the two in the deal.....I would rather see us keep T-Jones

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    I had an eloquent response I was about to post and then my browser crashed so here are the key notes:

    Drew, I agree and would prefer to win with these guys. If we do trade for Melo I think Parsons is the player with the most value and the one we can most afford to lose. (still hurts to say it)

    NorEastern, Jones has 2 years at Kentucky, 1 year in the D-League, and a combined 82 NBA games under his belt including last years' games.

    Parsons is in year 7 of excellent coaching if we use college years too. Billy Donovan is no slouch at UF.

    Comparing Jones and his 1 year of actual NBA experience to Blake Griffin (4 years in NBA and a #1 pick), LaMarcus Aldridge (8 years in NBA and a #2 pick), Kevin Love (6 NBA years--4 1/2 years worth of games-- and a #5 pick), or any other Western Conference stud PF like Ibaka, Duncan, Gasol, Randolph, Nowitzki, Anthony Davis (how good is he going to be?!?!?), etc. is not very fair in my opinion given that he is essentially a rookie to the NBA.

    The way I see it is as a 4th/5th wheel playing around that trio (Harden, Howard, Anthony) he would fit better, contribute more of what is missing, and still has that very high ceiling that he can then develop into. Parsons will be somewhat neutered by the move in my opinion as he does not do as well playing off the ball as Jones.

    This is of course all speculation about speculation and rumors so it really doesn't matter. Just stating my opinion. I'm perfectly happy keeping Parsons AND Jones and winning some championships. I think that is very doable in a season or 2. :)

    I'm glad I am not the one who has to actually make the call. If I'm New York, I push as hard as I can to get them both.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    Its much easier to cheer for a young and developing team then one of superstars budding up, surrounded by mercenaries.

    This post-season will determine the offseason.

  • Drew in Abilene says 7 months ago

    Even as a chronic optimist, I have a hard time believing Parsons would take a hometown discount. He's been called the most underpaid player in the NBA/the league's best value contract for a couple of years now. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would turn down a couple extra million per year when he's already been performing at a level much greater than his pay scale.

    Weighing in on the broader topic, I'm of two opinions about bringing in Anthony. The analytic brain in me says to sell high, grab Melo, and become one of the top contenders in the West, if not the favorite. Offload Lin and Asik, and if it takes Jones or Parsons plus a first round pick to grease the wheels, so be it. That's the cost of doing business and you go for any move that improves your short term and long term prospects of winning it all.

    But my dang sentimental heart gets in the way. My heart doesn't care that Lin has slumped since the All-Star Break (Except for these last couple of games!). I want him to play for the Rockets, win a championship with us this year, and help us defend the title next year with a Sixth Man of the Year trophy to boot. My heart refuses to give up on Asik, even if he gave up on Houston for a while. Did you see the passion he played with the other night with Dwight cheering him on? Those dunks? That block?! I want him to win it all this year, then publicly say he doesn't want to be traded because he wants another ring with us in 2015. "Jones is so young and full of potential," my heart keeps saying. He's got the tools to become an incredible player next to Howard. What happens once he figures out defense and starts hitting from three at a better rate? Yeah, my brain knows Parsons will probably never be as valuable in a trade as he will be this off-season. But my heart cries out that he's a big reason for Houston's success this year and last. He texted Dwight enough to help bring him here! He shaved his head for a sick kid! Edit: Don't even get me started on D-Mo. He might be my favortie Rocket right now.

    I don't say this to advocate one way or another. I know that I have no bearing on these decisions, so it's of no use to me to create a bodily civil war between my heart and head. I simply write to acknowledge that I'm torn asunder by the trade rumors. Perhaps my chronic optimism will kick in in the aftermath, whether Melo moves to Houston or the players I've grown ever so fond of stick around.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    @NorEastern

    there are only two times bird rights mean something

    1. if a player is considered a max player, because it means the team who possesses them can pay him more money than any other team and in some cases to an extra year on his contract

    2. when a team is over the cap or tax thresholdand would not have the money under normal procedures to sign said player, they can surpass these limits using bird rights to retain said player.

    in Parsons case......if the Rockets ride out the last year of his contract(which part of it is already guaranteed by him being on the roster pass Jan 15) he will be an UFA. since Parson isn't a max player the contract he will draw can vary greatly according to who's bidding. there is a point where he can become to expensive for the Rockets to retain reasonably. in addition.....even if the Rockets match any offers on the table, Parsons will still have the freedom to leave if he so chooses. so the only way the Rockets can guarantee to either retain Parsons or at least get a return asset for him is by making him a RFA this summeror trading him before his contract expires.

    on T-Jones.........YES I agree Parsons in the better player right now. however T-Jones has a lot more room to grow whereas Parsons is nearing his ceiling. with Melo in tow Parsons will be replaced by a better player in the starting lineup while still allowing us to keep cheap yet outstanding talent at the PF spot in T-Jones and D-Mo. when I say it's better to trade Parsons that has nothing to do with sizing him up against T-Jones, it has to do with the pieces left after the trade. I would much rather see Melo, T-Jones and D-12 over Parsons, Melo and D-12. to me that first group is explosive now with potential to get even better as T-Jones matures.

    Ahh yes. UFA. But why would Parsons ever leave Houston for the same money? Maybe he wants to pursue a modeling and acting career in LA? It certainly would not be for better company, a more respected coach, more money or a better chance at the chip. Dare I say home team discount?

    IMHO people constantly over rate Jones. Yeah he may be athletic and quick, but he has not shown the slightest clue on defense. He is not big enough (and may never be big enough) to hold position down low with the likes of West. And he is not quick enough to stay with power forwards like Blake. Have you noticed that he never seems to "go off" against the better power forwards in the league? Is he more likely to go off for 30 against Utah, or to give up 10 quick first quarter points to Blake? And may I point out that Jones is currently in his fourth year of excellent coaching and great competition with Kentucky and the Rockets? D-Mo (who should probably be starting, but is to valuable as a backup center/PF on the bench) is in his second year of competitive competition and coaching. No, Prokom cannot be considered as either. Between the three, trade Jones and hold on to D-Mo and Parsons. How valuable is a top ten small forward in the NBA? Is not D-MO on schedule to become by far and away the best NBA back up center in 2015 when Asik leaves?

    I will leave you to ponder that question.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @NorEastern

    there are only two times bird rights mean something

    1. if a player is considered a max player, because it means the team who possesses them can pay him more money than any other team and in some cases to an extra year on his contract

    2. when a team is over the cap or tax thresholdand would not have the money under normal procedures to sign said player, they can surpass these limits using bird rights to retain said player.

    in Parsons case......if the Rockets ride out the last year of his contract(which part of it is already guaranteed by him being on the roster pass Jan 15) he will be an UFA. since Parson isn't a max player the contract he will draw can vary greatly according to who's bidding. there is a point where he can become to expensive for the Rockets to retain reasonably. in addition.....even if the Rockets match any offers on the table, Parsons will still have the freedom to leave if he so chooses. so the only way the Rockets can guarantee to either retain Parsons or at least get a return asset for him is by making him a RFA this summeror trading him before his contract expires.

    on T-Jones.........YES I agree Parsons in the better player right now. however T-Jones has a lot more room to grow whereas Parsons is nearing his ceiling. with Melo in tow Parsons will be replaced by a better player in the starting lineup while still allowing us to keep cheap yet outstanding talent at the PF spot in T-Jones and D-Mo. when I say it's better to trade Parsons that has nothing to do with sizing him up against T-Jones, it has to do with the pieces left after the trade. I would much rather see Melo, T-Jones and D-12 over Parsons, Melo and D-12. to me that first group is explosive now with potential to get even better as T-Jones matures.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    I wouldn't be willing to give up parsons and jones.

  • QNoir says 7 months ago

    I think Phil and NY would possibly take Lin's contract along with Parsons and TJ for Melo and a guard in a sign and trade, if Melo is truly on his way out. Am I doing this wrong? I wouldn't claim to be a couch GM at all.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    I assume you realize that the Rockets would still have Parsons Bird rights when he hits UFA next summer? Isn't that the perfect way to dodge the salary cap and sign a top 10 small forward? Parsons, at least right now, is a much more valuable player than Jones. I do not see that changing in the foreseeable future. Not to mention the whole off court glue guy assistant super star recruiter stuff.

    Parsons is also considerably more consistent than Jones. And Jones has well documented defensive problems. Parsons is not a plus defender, except when compared to Jones.

    Plus there is the whole rebounding issue to consider. Boxing out is obviously not a Jones priority. Jones has many issues as a NBA player. Just saying.

    He is very young with a hardworking attitude though and I've seen much better pick&roll defense out if him lately. Boxing out for defensive rebounds, better defensive understandings and rotations, and a faster release and more accurate long ball should be his offseason priorities.
  • Buckko says 7 months ago If they 3peat, why would he leave, but I see the trophy residing in the west this year, and like I said. Each year the heat get worst due to declining health (wades' knees) and age. Even with the beaches of Miami, the heat aren't nearly the attractive destination as it was 4 years ago unless Pat Reliy completely revamps the team around lebron. Anyway, not something I'm arguing for as it is mostly a pipe dream and this topic is for melo. Just food for thought.
  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Anyone with cap will try for lebron but its basically a lock he's back in miami.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    @JG

    totally on board with your line of thinking in regards to Parsons. I would only add........we have T-Jones under his rookie deal for 2 more years before we have to extend a qualifying offer to make him a RFA. to make Parsons a RFA we have to do it this year or risk losing him next year when he becomes an UFA. because of the potential of other teams getting in on the bidding and the possibility of the Rockets losing him for nothing, I don't think they will allow him to go that route. I agree he may be nearing his ceiling. T-Jones is just 21 and appears to have the higher ceiling at this point, but I also agree with you his floor right now is lower. however the potential of his ceiling is greater than Parsons value with Melo in tow. Melo will become the third scorer this team needs. a front line of D-12, T-Jones and Melo is a mismatch for any other team in the league.

    I hear the concerns of those who oppose this trade. however none of them outweigh the raw potential that a lineup including Melo would produce. I also hear those that think there will be more desirable destinations for Melo to pursue. However chew on this for a moment.......if Melo leaves NY it's likely to be a trade, because of the teams who have money outright to sign him none can offer him the chance to compete for a championship now. they are still building and would require addition pieces. teams who would fall into this area.....Phoenix, Dallas, Boston etc.

    of the teams who could offer him a chance to compete immediately ie Houston. Chicago, GSW, San Antonio, Portland.....none can match our deal to NY without drastically altering their teams. this will basically come down to what Melo wants because he is in a position to dictate to NY his wishes. sure they could let him walk and end up in the same hole as the Lakers simply because they refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but Phil appears smarter than that to me. he will want players and draft pick to get his rebuild underway. NY has limited Draft picks right now. they don't have a pick this year. Denver owns this years first rounder....we own this years and next years second rounder's and they also don't have a first rounder in 2016. they need Draft picks no matter where in the draft they are located. sure they need them to be as high as possible, but getting any at all is improvement. they also need young players.....something we have a treasure chest of.

    Just because it seems all the stars are lining up doesn't mean it will happen, but never say never

    I assume you realize that the Rockets would still have Parsons Bird rights when he hits UFA next summer? Isn't that the perfect way to dodge the salary cap and sign a top 10 small forward? Parsons, at least right now, is a much more valuable player than Jones. I do not see that changing in the foreseeable future. Not to mention the whole off court glue guy assistant super star recruiter stuff.

    Parsons is also considerably more consistent than Jones. And Jones has well documented defensive problems. Parsons is not a plus defender, except when compared to Jones.

    Plus there is the whole rebounding issue to consider. Boxing out is obviously not a Jones priority. Jones has many issues as a NBA player. Just saying.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago I still have the bad feeling would melo willing give up the alpha role. You can discuss Olympic melo all you want, but those are closer to pick up games than real NBA. Would melo willing become the next wade? I do have to say though, if the heat don't 3peat and with health and age against Miami. Wouldn't you try for lebron? Nice climate and no income tax like Flordia. A very young and healthy team. Lebron being much more of a play maker than scorer in melo would demand far less shots from H&H. He's already accustom to playing with an elite 2-guard. Food for thought.
  • Buckko says 7 months ago I do have to say Jones' 3pt shot should improve drastically to become a real stretch 4. I'd say he shoots about league average next year and continues to improve from there.
  • blakecouey says 7 months ago

    Multiple topics merged to consolidate all the Melo talk.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @JG

    totally on board with your line of thinking in regards to Parsons. I would only add........we have T-Jones under his rookie deal for 2 more years before we have to extend a qualifying offer to make him a RFA. to make Parsons a RFA we have to do it this year or risk losing him next year when he becomes an UFA. because of the potential of other teams getting in on the bidding and the possibility of the Rockets losing him for nothing, I don't think they will allow him to go that route. I agree he may be nearing his ceiling. T-Jones is just 21 and appears to have the higher ceiling at this point, but I also agree with you his floor right now is lower. however the potential of his ceiling is greater than Parsons value with Melo in tow. Melo will become the third scorer this team needs. a front line of D-12, T-Jones and Melo is a mismatch for any other team in the league.

    I hear the concerns of those who oppose this trade. however none of them outweigh the raw potential that a lineup including Melo would produce. I also hear those that think there will be more desirable destinations for Melo to pursue. However chew on this for a moment.......if Melo leaves NY it's likely to be a trade, because of the teams who have money outright to sign him none can offer him the chance to compete for a championship now. they are still building and would require addition pieces. teams who would fall into this area.....Phoenix, Dallas, Boston etc.

    of the teams who could offer him a chance to compete immediately ie Houston. Chicago, GSW, San Antonio, Portland.....none can match our deal to NY without drastically altering their teams. this will basically come down to what Melo wants because he is in a position to dictate to NY his wishes. sure they could let him walk and end up in the same hole as the Lakers simply because they refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but Phil appears smarter than that to me. he will want players and draft pick to get his rebuild underway. NY has limited Draft picks right now. they don't have a pick this year. Denver owns this years first rounder....we own this years and next years second rounder's and they also don't have a first rounder in 2016. they need Draft picks no matter where in the draft they are located. sure they need them to be as high as possible, but getting any at all is improvement. they also need young players.....something we have a treasure chest of.

    Just because it seems all the stars are lining up doesn't mean it will happen, but never say never

  • Steven says 7 months ago MelNo
  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    If Melo leaves his situation in NY to win I think his game would change to win. He'd be a more willing passer with elite teammates and so would Harden, passing to Melo as he moves off the ball and gets more efficient looks. Think of him posting up a guy and when the double comes flipping it to Dwight, think of a 2-4 pick and roll between Harden and Melo. It depends on what this team does in the playoffs, but I do see some of our players as inconsistent. Lin is great sometimes and could be that 2nd ball handler who can attack defenses and score but often times isn't, but also isn't on the court at the end of games with Bev. Parsons has been inconsistent also. Between Harden and Melo one of them should be able to get going with the threat of the other and Dwight there.

    JG, you see Parsons becoming an overpaid spot up shooter so should we trade him and get someone cheaper and better suited for the job like Korver? Or an MLE for Ariza?

    As I said before, include him in the sign + trade for Melo. Lin, Asik, and Parsons plus a pick/prospect or whatever NY wants to sweeten the deal.

    To clarify, I'm not saying it is certain that Parsons winds up as an overpaid spot up shooter, but it is very, very possible. Think of it this way: as he develops (and ages) is it more likely he turns into Kyle Korver (without the accuracy) or that he turns into a top 10 (since it's too crowded in the top 5 for him) SF in the league that already has Lebron, KD, Paul George, Batum, Melo, Kawhi Leonard, Ariza, Butler, Deng, Hayward, and up and comers like Antetekoumpo, Middleton, and Ross (plus whoever else I'm forgetting and let's not forget Andrew Wiggins).

    In my eyes, he winds up being a poor man's Korver--which isn't bad--but at that price it will be. I just think his already average athleticism will become a huge detriment if this back thing lingers--and they tend to do that. I love Parsons' game and want the best for him, but in this scenario it's a big upgrade going from Parsons to Carmelo Anthony. (By the way, I'm less concerned about Carmelo's age because he hasn't shown signs of wear and tear, plus his game is suited to aging gracefully since he is a good spot-up shooter and post-up player.)

    As far as replacements at the 3, Jordan Hamilton is already here. He will do fine. Again--I am picturing Melo putting in more time at the 3 than the 4. I know some people don't like that, but it allows us to put the best 5 players on the floor with flexibility to adjust for match-ups big or small. He will still play some stretch 4, but having him at the 3 gives us a more potent line-up on both offense and defense in my mind.

    Korver would be great....if he wasn't under contract through 2017. Trevor Ariza is having a very good year and will get paid more than we can offer--unless he wants to give us an MLE discount--he made $7.7M this year and is arguably underpaid. He is averaging 15 pts, 6 rebs, 3 asts, 2 steals on 42% three point shooting and 50% from inside the arc plus he plays solid man to man defense. He is getting more than the MLE.

  • BallSoHarden says 7 months ago

    If Melo leaves his situation in NY to win I think his game would change to win. He'd be a more willing passer with elite teammates and so would Harden, passing to Melo as he moves off the ball and gets more efficient looks. Think of him posting up a guy and when the double comes flipping it to Dwight, think of a 2-4 pick and roll between Harden and Melo. It depends on what this team does in the playoffs, but I do see some of our players as inconsistent. Lin is great sometimes and could be that 2nd ball handler who can attack defenses and score but often times isn't, but also isn't on the court at the end of games with Bev. Parsons has been inconsistent also. Between Harden and Melo one of them should be able to get going with the threat of the other and Dwight there.

    JG, you see Parsons becoming an overpaid spot up shooter so should we trade him and get someone cheaper and better suited for the job like Korver? Or an MLE for Ariza?

  • Alituro says 7 months ago

    I feel DMO is a better backup than TJ. But that is debatable of course.

    With Asik probably going in any trade for Melo, I could see DMO backing up Dwight at Center and in small-ball times. Between Melo, Jones, Dwight, DMO and Hamilton, there should be plenty of minutes to go around between positions 3-5.

  • BrentYen says 7 months ago

    I feel DMO is a better backup than TJ. But that is debatable of course.

  • Dayak says 7 months ago

    What do you guys think? Parsons versus Jones--if this trade happens we will lose one for sure. I'd hate to lose both, but would live with it if we had to.


    I like Parsons but i'll choose Jones to stay. I prefer to see a 3 and D SF to play alongside Melo if the Rockets use Melo as their stretch 4 and Jones could be a very nice backup for Melo at PF position.
  • Alituro says 7 months ago

    Nice thoughts, Rahat.

    There's not much to add. One thing I will throw out for discussion is should we actually try to push Parsons out in lieu of Terrence Jones?....

    ....What do you guys think? Parsons versus Jones--if this trade happens we will lose one for sure. I'd hate to lose both, but would live with it if we had to.

    Totally on board with this as much as I hate to say it and as much as my 13 year old daughter won't speak to me for a month for saying it. But, these were my exact thoughts when the Melo conundrum was posed.

    Parsons is due a huge payday, and there are teams in the league willing to give it to him. I don't think his value is going to equal his contract amount, for the reasons you stated. He also has a pretty good agent that is sure to get him plenty..

    If Melo happens, I would expect a change in attitude and sportsmanship similar to what we saw in Dwight upon his arrival. He would have to work hard to bring any negative vibes into our locker room. Like with Dwight, people are only seeing what an unhappy Melo is doing right now and easily forgetting just what he is capable of in the right environment, with competent teammates and staff.

    An absolute no-brainer.

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Regardless who we are going to trade, it will be a bad trade. Melo in Houston? How is McHale going to coach 3 ISO players? I get the part that Morey want to surround Howard with shooters, but how is that going to work when the ball will consistently stop moving with Harden, Howard, and Melo on the court? The time clock only has 24 seconds, not 60!!!

    Meanwhile, people need to stop dreaming. An allstar lineup do not guarantee success. Remember 2012-2013 LA Laker? 1 for 3 don't sound like a good deal to me. Houston need a more balance team. Lets wait until the season is over before we speculate further. At least wait and see how the currently team perform during playoff before we discuss whom to trade. If people really want to dream, why not dream big? How about getting LBJ instead of Melo?

    Harden is an underrated passer--both in quality and in willingness. He ranks 33rd in assist opportunities created according to NBA.com. The only players ahead of him who are not PG's are Gordon Hayward, Kobe, and Lebron. That's it. Thus, I find the notion that he is a ball-stopping black hole on offense to be untrue. Yes, some of those are bail out passes at the end of a shot clock, but I think he is getting better about that bad habit.

    On a per48 min basis, Harden is a mere .1 points behind the oh-so-generous Jeremy Lin in points created off assist at 16.4 ppg.

    Howard is a willing passer, but I do not think that is his prime directive. When they throw the ball into the post it is with the mindset of Howard attacking and scoring. With Hakeem, opposing teams consistently sent 2, and often 3 guys, to try and shut down Hakeem (or pay the consequences) which led to wide open shots for everyone else. Howard does not receive the same treatment.

    It has been noted that Melo is a ball-stopper. I can't argue that. It has been noted that he doesn't have the same kind of supporting cast that he would here. He can pass and will pass. Much like Howard, I believe his directive is to score. Believe me, if he draws a double team and Harden is open on the wing, or Howard underneath, he will get them the ball. Let's go to the video...

    What you will notice in these clips is how the defense has all eyes on Melo when he has the ball. This leaves cutters free to get to open spaces for easy looks. Imagine our guys on the receiving end of these passes--instead of Chandler, Brewer, and Felton, Melo will have Howard, Harden, and whoever is left on the roster :lol: to dish to. I don't have to explain how that is better...

  • PKM says 7 months ago

    Just for argument sake,

    LBJ>Melo

    Harden>Wade

    Howard>Bosh

    Houston Bench>Miami Bench

    I don't see why Morey want to go after Melo instead of LBJ. And I don't see why LBJ want to refuse coming to Houston if he want to win more ring and a chance to surpass MJ. This is why I am confuse why people get so hype up by the idea Melo coming to Houston when LBJ is the obvious better choice when the chance of both trade being the same?

    Because Lebron has sort of a good thing going for him in Miami, and has no reason to leave. Melo, uh, doesn't. Not even with Phil. And the 2012-13 Lakers are another poor example, as that team was for better or for worse had a lot of problems with injury. We would hopefully not.

    That said, I remain extremely, extremely skeptical that Melo leaving New York is going to happen, especially since as Simmons observed, Phil arriving provides Melo with a perfect excuse to grab the money without it looking like that he just wants the money. Combine that with the difficulties of trading Lin and Asik in the final years of their deal ( Asik has been fine as backup to Howard, but he hasn't been as good as he was last year), and while I definitely would like Melo in Houston, I don't see it happening.

  • NorEastern says 7 months ago

    There are a number of issues with Melo. I'm going to go through some of them.

    Would there be enough shots to go around? At their current pace the Rockets generate ~1.56 shot per minute. Melo historically has consumed ~0.58 shots per minute. Harden, a much more efficient scorer than Melo, uses 0.43 shots per minute. I assume you see where this is headed.

    Can Melo adjust to not being "the man"? I know that people will retort that Bosh adjusted. That is certainly fair. But is everyone comfortable that Melo can fit in with Howard and Harden? Both on the court and in the locker room. I personally am not.

    Melo will be 30 soon. He is not getting any better, and the likelihood of him getting worse over the next 4 years is significant. The thought of spending max contract money in 3 years for Melo is a little frightening to me.

    Would Melo actually make the Rockets a better team if it costs something like Asik/Lin/Jones or Parsons/2014 1st round pick? Many people think that it is a no brainer. But the Rockets are currently the third youngest team in the league. Next season D-Mo, Jones, Parsons and Harden will almost certainly be better. Asik hopefully can play the entire season. It hurt badly having him out for two months. And Morey will have the MLE. I guess it comes down to whether you prefer a team with three stars or a team with two stars and excellent depth. Right now it looks to me like any one of the Rockets starters could go down to injury and the team would probably still make it to the second round. Maybe I am just paranoid.

    Can the Rockets even offer the Knicks enough in a sign and trade? I look at that Phoenix team and they could package up Frye and three 2014 first round picks for Melo. Bledsoe, Melo and Dragic would be both competitive in the West and perhaps the most entertaining NBA club to watch.

    Melo can opt out this summer. But so could someone named Chris Bosh. Just saying.

    Don't get me wrong. All of your arguments for Melo are good. I just thought I would inject an alternative opinion.

  • Charles B says 7 months ago

    turning change into a dollar is always a good deal as long as you don't lose the dollar. A problem with the lakers is there stars were washed up and or injured. And theres more cases where teams with three all stars have worked than failing. Difference between lebron and melo is lebron will likely be on a three time championship team with a great front office and owner while the knicks are a heap of burning trash with no roster flexibility at all until after next season with an owner that never seems to do anything right.

    Just for argument sake,

    LBJ>Melo

    Harden>Wade

    Howard>Bosh

    Houston Bench>Miami Bench

    I don't see why Morey want to go after Melo instead of LBJ. And I don't see why LBJ want to refuse coming to Houston if he want to win more ring and a chance to surpass MJ. This is why I am confuse why people get so hype up by the idea Melo coming to Houston when LBJ is the obvious better choice when the chance of both trade being the same?

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Regardless who we are going to trade, it will be a bad trade. Melo in Houston? How is McHale going to coach 3 ISO players? I get the part that Morey want to surround Howard with shooters, but how is that going to work when the ball will consistently stop moving with Harden, Howard, and Melo on the court? The time clock only has 24 seconds, not 60!!!

    Meanwhile, people need to stop dreaming. An allstar lineup do not guarantee success. Remember 2012-2013 LA Laker? 1 for 3 don't sound like a good deal to me. Houston need a more balance team. Lets wait until the season is over before we speculate further. At least wait and see how the currently team perform during playoff before we discuss whom to trade. If people really want to dream, why not dream big? How about getting LBJ instead of Melo?

    turning change into a dollar is always a good deal as long as you don't lose the dollar. A problem with the lakers is there stars were washed up and or injured. And theres more cases where teams with three all stars have worked than failing. Difference between lebron and melo is lebron will likely be on a three time championship team with a great front office and owner while the knicks are a heap of burning trash with no roster flexibility at all until after next season with an owner that never seems to do anything right.

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    No brainer for us but will they do it? I thought they got the upper hand.

  • Charles B says 7 months ago

    Regardless who we are going to trade, it will be a bad trade. Melo in Houston? How is McHale going to coach 3 ISO players? I get the part that Morey want to surround Howard with shooters, but how is that going to work when the ball will consistently stop moving with Harden, Howard, and Melo on the court? The time clock only has 24 seconds, not 60!!!

    Meanwhile, people need to stop dreaming. An allstar lineup do not guarantee success. Remember 2012-2013 LA Laker? 1 for 3 don't sound like a good deal to me. Houston need a more balance team. Lets wait until the season is over before we speculate further. At least wait and see how the currently team perform during playoff before we discuss whom to trade. If people really want to dream, why not dream big? How about getting LBJ instead of Melo?

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    Nice thoughts, Rahat.

    There's not much to add. One thing I will throw out for discussion is should we actually try to push Parsons out in lieu of Terrence Jones?

    I'll give you all a moment to recover from my blasphemous statement.............. :P

    Seriously though. I have been a huge fan and proponent of Chandler since he got here. Yet, lately I can't help but feel that he is nearing his ceiling and the time to sell high is here. While he has performed admirably and improved his game in many facets he still has some flaws that may ultimately relegate him to average once it's all said and done. Yes, I am nit-picking here, but stick with me.

    His shot is flat. That's not a deal breaker, but it leads to more hot and cold shooting since the margin of error is that much smaller for his style of shot. Also, he is not a great finisher inside despite his size.

    His first step is slow. This is part of why he has to use the pump fake. That pump fake gets used more than the urinals at the Toyota Center (I still try to call it The Summit). Guys are wise to it and while they can't stop his drive they can re-direct him away from the basket which is usually enough to snuff out the play unless he can get a lob to Dwight. Maybe it's just his back slowing him down, but that problem is most likely not going away.

    His defense looks like it has decided to leave and isn't coming back. It's almost as if the glitz and glam of offense (and Chandler's new lifestyle) won't accept the lunch-pail-nitty-gritty aspect of defense (and its subsequent image). It doesn't matter--his defense is a non-factor most of the time.

    So, once he gets paid--and he will--are we still going to accept the production we're getting? Whether it is $9M or $12M, that is a lot of cap space for a streaky shooter, who may wind up relegated to spot-up shooter, that plays little defense and has back problems.

    Why am I tarring and feathering Parsons? To suggest that the correct move is to sell high on him and keep Mr. Terrence Jones.

    If this happens I believe we will be looking at a win-win. The first win is avoiding the overpay and subsequent let-down that Parsons presents. (I honestly feel bad typing that sentence--I want to believe, but....but....I feel like his limited athleticism/bad back are about to be his demise)

    The second win is having a forward rotation of Melo, Jones, Jordan Hamilton, and occasionally D-Mo. Those first three are ideal players for our system and can rotate in and out of SF/PF rotations with relative ease. For small ball, it's Hamilton at 3 and Melo at 4....To go big we put Melo at the 3 and Jones at the 4. Switches will be pretty easy as each player has the ability to defend either position (mostly--there are always bad match-ups).

    Let's keep hammering this point home. Jones has the higher ceiling over Parsons. In fairness, his floor is currently lower as well. In time, his defense should be B+ or better. He is younger and has shown little sign of being brittle/injury prone.

    My preference would be a starting 5 of Bev, Harden, Melo, Jones, and Howard. Melo is the mis-match creator. If you guard him with speed he will post you up to death (according to synergy he is the 23rd most efficient post scorer in the league). If you counter that with size he steps outside and wreaks havoc from there. Oh, and there's still a couple of other guys who will be giving defenses nightmares around him.

    I won't belabor the benefits of Melo...as fun as it is :D ...in my mind we are better off as a team--in the present, in the future, both talent-wise and financially by keeping Jones and trading Parsons.

    In the West, Power Forwards rule the landscape (along with PG's). While loading up at that position to fight against them is what logic dictates I would prefer a different approach. By putting Melo at the 3 we essentially are giving ourselves the best SG, 2nd best SF (Durant), and best C in the Western conference. That means the majority of the time we have a significant offensive advantage at 3 out of 5 positions with strong defenders (assuming Jones continues improving) at 4 positions on the other end. That should translate to lots of wins :).

    What do you guys think? Parsons versus Jones--if this trade happens we will lose one for sure. I'd hate to lose both, but would live with it if we had to.

  • Red94 says 7 months ago New post: The Complicated Path to Carmelo Anthony
    By: michael pina

    Buried in Adrian Wojnarowski’s plea for New York Knicks owner James Dolan to go away and never come back was official word from the NBA’s most diligent reporter that the Houston Rockets and Carmelo Anthony share a mutual interest.

    Several rumors have popped up over the past few weeks, and it’s only logical to assume a fidgety general manager like Daryl Morey would see an available superstar and do everything in his power to adopt him, but in my opinion Wojnarowski’s report finally allows worthwhile speculation to begin.

    A lot can happen over the next few months, but a roadmap attempting today to figure out how Houston can sign Anthony this summer won't hurt anybody, will it? So many freaking things needs to go one way in order for this to actually happen, but these are the three easiest to write about.

    1) New York misses the playoffs

    The Knicks are 28-40. If the season ended today they’d be a No.9 seed without a lottery pick—the very worst position for an NBA team to be in. The pesky Atlanta Hawks are up four games with 14 to go, and John Hollinger’s playoff predictions place the odds at a seismic 6% that New York passes them.

    Despite Phil Jackson’s influence (a factor that shouldn’t be dismissed) and aside from $$$, why would Anthony stay in New York? The Knicks could either be as bad or worse next season, and they definitely won’t win the title until Amar’e Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani, and Tyson Chandler come off the books, which probably won’t happen until next summer (Bargnani and Stoudemire have player options next year, but it's doubtful they douse gasoline on their combined $30+ million and opt out…unless Jackson brainwashes them into thinking it’s a good idea, which is entirely possible).

    In essence, Anthony signing a five-year max with New York would be the equivalent of strapping plastic explosive to his prime then pounding it with a sledge hammer. He turns 30 on May 29, and would probably miss the playoffs for a second straight season while playing inside a bubble for an emotionally starved fan base. The city would be miserable. He would be more miserable.

    How could making the playoffs this year matter? Well, given the incredibly low odds of it actually happening, qualifying would be miraculous and an inspiration. That’s why. It’d supply irrational hope for the future and substantiate the organization’s positive momentum. If the Knicks make the playoffs, they could argue this entire regular season was a comedy of awful, impossible-to-repeat-themselves-ever-again blunders.

    “Chandler, Bargnani, and Stoudemire will be healthy next year!”

    “We’ll get even more production from the still-developing Iman Shumpert and Tim Hardaway Jr.!”

    “Think Felton’s washed up? So do we! Let’s trade for a brand new point guard!”

    “Sayonara, J.R. Smith!”

    “Sayonara, Mike Woodson!”

    “Hello, Steve Kerr!”

    “Nice to meet you, triangle offense!”

    It’s obviously wishful thinking, but nobody knows the future. And when you can throw an extra $30+ million at Anthony, a dot of brightness is all you really need. The Knicks are a capsizing ship that just spent 18 months repeatedly ramming itself into the same iceberg. An incredible playoff push will persuade everyone to look towards the heavens and think happy thoughts about the future...right as the boat cracks in half behind them.

    If New York misses the playoffs none of that spin can be spun. Vultures (Houston, Chicago, Boston, Charlotte, the Lakers) will circle a little lower. It’s exactly what happened to L.A. and Dwight Howard. Nobody wants to go through a painful losing season in the prime of their career, especially if it can be avoided. Smart people will tell Anthony he’ll have to experience this all over again for at least one more year if he sticks around, and that pill might be too tough to swallow.

    2) The Rockets need to win a playoff series

    As an alluring player destination that's relatively fresh, it’d be a terrible look for Houston to get bounced in the first round. Kevin McHale would be fired—giving rise to the possibility that a less fun system is implemented by a new coach—and most of the team’s pleasant chemistry vibes would shake at the core.

    If Houston loses early, and winning a title is truly Anthony’s number one objective (over pride, ego, money, statistics, and his wife’s indefatigable television career), to sway free agency's breeze towards 4 Pennsylvania Plaza, Jackson would calmly relay the obvious: Good luck getting out of the west, Melo!

    Oklahoma City, San Antonio (not going anywhere for at least 20 more years), Golden State, the Los Angeles Clippers, Memphis, Phoenix, Portland, and Dallas are all very good now, and could be much better in the short-term future. (Also, Kevin Love and Anthony Davis are in the conference, and we haven’t even said the word “Lakers” yet.)

    Anthony could easily make the Rockets a perennial powerhouse that looks up to zero of those teams, but it’d be a little risky unless he’s willing to take even less money than the four-year max. Those three max deals are a huge cost, and the margins to add complimentary pieces would be difficult though not impossible. Hanging over all this is the Chicago Bulls, who present an intriguing destination in their own right.

    3) Houston needs to gut its roster

    Yay, financial talk! Pending player options, team options, non-guaranteed contracts, and draft picks, Houston has between $60.9 and $63.2 million on their books next season, when the expected cap number will rise to approximately $61.2 million. Thus, they can’t sign Anthony to a four-year, $95.89 million maximum contract. Can they get low enough?

    First, Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik have to go. That’s $16.7 million off the top right there. Then, Greg Smith needs to be renounced, Francisco Garcia would be kidnapped, Omri Casspi gets cut, and Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Canaan, Robert Covington, and Patrick Beverley would all be bought out or have their options declined.

    This…still wouldn’t give Houston the necessary $22.8 million worth of necessary space. (They’d be roughly $4.5 million over.) So, unless Anthony is willing to take even less money (LeBron did it!), an outright signing is unlikely.

    The more probable option is a sign-and-trade done with New York ONLY AFTER Anthony makes it clear he wants to play in Houston. Notice how complicated all this is? The Rockets could package Lin and Asik along with their 2014 first-round pick then call it a day. Or work in some other pieces like Terrence Jones and Donatas Motiejunas, if that's what it takes.

    Is all this worth the trouble? In short: yes. As the Knicks bumble along as a laughing stock, Anthony is quietly having a brilliant season, posting career-highs in PER and True Shooting percentage. He also leads the league in minutes per game and usage rate while averaging 28 points, 8.3 rebounds, and 3.1 assists. Three-pointers are splashing through the net, his mid-range game is diabolical, and behind Kevin Durant, arguably no better scorer lives on Planet Earth. Acquiring him at any cost short of Howard and Harden is an absolute no-brainer.

    But so much about this process is complicated and/or out of Houston’s control, and unless you're Morey, none of it's worth losing any sleep over. Instead: sit back, relax, and wait for Carmelo's future to unfold.

    Michael Pina covers the NBA  for ESPN’s TrueHoop Network, Sports On Earth, FOX Sports, Bleacher Report, and The Classical. Find more of his writing here, and follow him @MichaelVPina.

  • Dayak says 7 months ago Excellent read Rahat. Melo for Asik+Lin+Parsons or Jones is a no brainer at this point. I believe we'll see the Olympic's Melo when he plays for the Rockets.
  • Red94 says 7 months ago New post: Huq's Pen: I'm feeling a little Melo
    By: rahat huq

    • If you're reading this, you are no doubt aware of the rumors surrounding Carmelo Anthony's purported interest in the Houston Rockets.  Shockingly, I've seen some places where some who are inclined towards this team have expressed hesitation regarding such an acquisition.  I underscore 'shockingly' because such a maneuver should be considered a no-brainer.
    • To begin, as I quipped on Twitter very recently, the mere revelation of said interest, in concert with the reality of Dwight Howard's capitulation this summer, evokes the words of the esteemed philosopher Michael Jones who once famously said, "back then [they> didn't want me, now I'm hot [they> all on me."
    • 'Capitulation' because, as the Chronicle reported last season in a story which surprisingly gained little national steam, the impetus for Howard's infamous 'opt-in' was an agreement in principle between Orlando and the Rockets, at the deadline, to send the center to The Third Coast.  Howard wanted no part of such a move and killed talks with the contractual formality.  Of course this summer, he took $30million less to join us.  Because Houston is now a desirable destination.
    • And as you painfully might recall, the team spent what felt like (at the time) the better part of a decade wooing Anthony by dangling packages frontlined by Kevin Martin in trade talks.  Anthony's heart was set on New York and he forced his way there (forcing through new rules in the latest collective bargaining agreement in the process.)  Now, with the Knicks an absolute embarrassment to professional sports, the talented forward reportedly has wandering eyes.  Because Houston is now a desirable destination.
    • All that's left now are for Chris Bosh and Chris Paul (and whoever else we chased) to head over, Ipad in tow, with a cameo by Pau Gasol and we'll have come full circle.  Morey at this point is like the pimple-faced band geek who stumbles upon Crossfit (or whatever fitness innovation is in vogue at the time of reading) a semester before prom and finally snags the head cheerleader.  In the movies, the geek would then, filled with indignation, shun the cheerleader, rewarding some homely creature who saw worth in him before his newfound repute.  In real life, the geek gladly snags the cheerleader.
    • Which leads us to Morey: those watching last week's Jekyll and Hyde impromptu which saw this team drop three straight after topping three of the league's best teams in the previous three affairs, if viewing objectively, no doubt came away feeling a bit disturbed.  As I explained in the previous edition of this column, I've bought in to the fact that this is a 'very good team' sure, but 'true' contender they are not.  That should be painfully obvious to the impartial observer.

    • Something's missing and much of that "something" is born from the reality of Dwight Howard's mortality.  To wit, this is not intended to be taken as a slight on Howard.  He's been great, a true max player, and a force which has transformed this outfit into a 55+ win team.  But those of you who responded to my comments regarding Howard following the Oklahoma City loss saying that it was "just one game" are missing the point.  It wasn't just one game.  It was the latest in a disturbing pattern of disappearances by Howard against our prime competition.  As our own Forrest Walker so perfectly put it at the time, the fact that Howard could not best Steven Adams is absolutely "chilling." If I asked you today, in a Game 7 tomorrow against either the Thunder or Clippers, whether Howard would be more likely to total 30 and 20 or 10 and 5, 99% of you would choose the latter.  Chilling.
    • I'm reminded of an observation I made towards the tail end of the McGrady-Yao era that every season, the team begins the campaign appearing as if to boast an embarrassment of riches, and then every season they end the year looking like "McGrady and a bunch of scrubs."  Now, that's certainly a harsh comparison and this team certainly boasts a wealth of talent.  But at the end of close games, one can't help but feel James Harden is alone on an island.  Beverley and Parsons, for different reasons, are incapable of creating for themselves in tight situations.  Against the better teams, Terrence Jones becomes so inept that he can't even get on the court while Jeremy Lin might as well be wearing diapers.  And Howard, for all of his prowess, becomes neutered due to his turnover woes and free throw shooting inabilities.  The issue of "hero-ball" is a different one, but Harden is on an island.  The team needs something else.
    • And again, that last point is not meant as an indictment.  The team has been marvelous, right on schedule, maybe even exceeding any realistic expectations for this year.  But if we're being honest with ourselves, it's clear that they don't have enough to top the Thunder.  'Melo has his warts, yes, but opportunism is a tricky game.  You may prefer Kevin Love but at the cost of a) not getting him and b) losing yet another year of Howard/Harden?  Morey takes the bird in hand at that point.
    • I shouldn't need to speak of the merits of adding Anthony to this lineup.  It would transform this offense into unguardability, especially when coupled with the powers of the two existing superstars.  Look at Anthony's numbers off catch-and-shoots or his efficiency as a supporting star.  With Anthony at the '4', good luck to anyone guarding that cast.  Some might argue that he'd have to guard the man-sized 4's in the West; I'd retort that they'd have to guard him.  
    • And I also don't see Anthony as a downgrade from Terrence Jones defensively.
    • There are several necessary ingredients to a successful sign&trade: the player must want to come to the team, the current team must prefer the new team's assets to losing the player for nothing, and lastly, there must exist some viable threat of the player signing on some other team outright for the current team's acquiescence.  All of those ingredients would seem to exist but the problem here is that that "viable threat" (Chicago) in this case is so viable that it may actually be preferred, in Anthony's mind.
    • Chicago is the bigger market.  But if he's smart, Houston is the choice.  There are no "ifs" in Houston.  Joining Howard and Harden, the Rockets become the best lineup in the league.  With the Bulls, there is the looming uncertainty of Derrick Rose's future.  The problem is that I'm not sure winning is Anthony's sole objective.
    • What makes this situation so marvelously unique is that New York is literally the one team in the entire league that might realistically not balk at the prospect of taking back Jeremy Lin.  Anyone else would just want the cap space for a clean rebuild.  But the Knicks?  You could very realistically see them pocketing Terrence Jones, trading Omer Asik for a draft pick, and selling Linsanity to their fans in what would be a rebuilding year.  They'd then have him off the books the next year and could figure things out.  That doesn't apply anywhere else.  And that's what makes this whole thing so delicious.  This is very, very real, folks.  And what we learned last summer, from the Dwightmare, is that anything can happen.  If you're a fan of this team, you should want this to happen.
  • Alituro says 7 months ago

    We would be absolutely terrifying if we were to acquire Melo. DO IT by (almost) any means necessary. To me this would mean no more Asik and Lin and no big Rockets paycheck for Parsons. Those three players would also offer PJ a nice building block for his new team with Asik's elite defense, Parson's flexibility, Lin's scoring ability and especially the cult in NY surrounding him. As much as I hate to see at least 2 of those guys go, the return would be much greater. I have absolutely no worries that Morey would not be able to fill in the spots on the roster, he always has. I don't even think the Harden/Melo/Howard combo would have any chemistry issues either. Melo has never been afforded the luxury of pairing up with elite offensive players yet in his career and I think it would be a refreshing change for him.

    The only downside as fans is that we would have to part ways with players we've grown to adore. But, hasn't that always been the case in Morey's tenure? Scola, Landry, Brooks, Lowry, Hayes, Bud, and the list goes on... But he always turns around and brings in more stand-up guys to fill the gaps. In Morey We Trust.

  • PhillyCheese says 7 months ago

    Melo could have gone to NY and Denver can do nothng. Except Melo got greedy and wanted his max, so NY was gutted. NY was stupid, they should have waited Melo out,since he wanted out of Denver badly. Houston has some competition from other teams so may want to lock up Melo by trading for him. Now whether Melo wants to go t Houston is another matter. Him and his wife are not exactly Houston type of peeps.

    I would say Asik, Lin plus draft picks or someone like Parsons would get the deal done.NY keeps Lin for his fan support, trade Asik for something useful and they will have more wins in 2015 than 2014, and every NYKer will say great trade for the Knicks and point out that Denver also had a better record after trading Carmelo.

    Melo will also have to change his game, take less shots, move the balland play better D. otherwise Houston will have a bunch of malcontent superstars and implode. But if they get it right and everyone sacrifices, then a championship is not outside of reason. Actually I think Howard will have to sacrifice more since he needs to be set up, and Harden has the ball so can disctate more who get the ball.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @redfaithful

    Idisagree........we are much more appealing than Chicago. there are still question marks surrounding D-Rose health which I'm sure Melo will want to weigh in light of how the STAT injury hampered NY ever achieving their goals. we have the deeper team surrounding our stars. we have no state income tax so Melo will be able to get more of his money. Melo can play at a pace he was more accustom too when he was in Denver. I could go on, but it's clear we can offer him the better environment. if he's going to leave I would say we are the front runner, but I think NY still has strong appeal for him. depends on what plan Phil is trying to sell him.

  • redfaithful says 7 months ago

    From Melo's point of view I guess the situation in Chicago seems more appealing, as Noah takes less shots than DH (9.5 FGA for Noah and 11.5 for DH).

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @Cooper

    not so...........if Melo leaves and excepts a pay cut the Knicks have no power. Melo is greedy. he is unlikely to leave much on the table. I don't look for him to opt out at all. if he wishes to be moved he will tell NY early in the process giving them a list of teams that he is willing to be traded to. Why you say? because if Melo opts in on his present dealin time allowing NY to trade him where he wants to go, after the one year left on his contract he can sign a new deal with his new team with the higher percentage raises included in his deal. he wants to have his cake and eat it too. NY will still be in a weakened trading position, but will at least have a chance to get assets they could use to rebuild their future. it'sof a mutual benefit for both parties to play along should they be unable to agree on his future there

  • jorgeaam says 7 months ago

    Well I don't think the Asik/Lin trades would be so difficult, I don't know if any of you saw the Golden State salary dump to the Jazz in the preseason, from Yahoo Sports:

    "The agreement came after the Warriors cleared $24 million in salary-cap room by agreeing to send the expiring contracts ofRichard Jefferson,Andris BiedrinsandBrandon Rushto theUtah Jazz, league sources told Y! Sports. Golden State also will send multiple draft picks to Utah, including its 2014 and '17 first-round picks, sources told Y! Sports."

    If they can dump 24 million in role players, I don't see how Houston can't trade 2 potential starters for some teams.

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    If melo wants to leave the knicks have no power.

  • MrLobble says 7 months ago

    IDK about this one... There's only one ball... You complain about the about the ball getting stuck now... Imagine a lineup where you have Dwight, Beard, and Melo; seems like that lineup there would entail way too much hero ball.

    1) First few possessions Carmelo goes to get his

    2) Sooner or later, James wants his and starts jacking terrible shots

    3) Dwight now wants the ball or he'll stop rebounding

    And I'm in agreement with Rockets Best Fan because Phil Jackson is a basketball genius. I have a feeling Houston would be forced to package good contributing cheap players like Parsons and TJ for this deal to work.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 7 months ago Melo is the definition of a small ball 4.
  • dbd says 7 months ago

    Most posts referring Melo as 4. Didn't he play at 3 most of his career?

  • BallSoHarden says 7 months ago

    We'd have to move Asik and Lin, and then Melo would have to take a paycut. The team would be so versatile though. DMo would be the backup center then, which after another regular season of minutes I'd be fine with him being a key piece to a championship team. But in case he doesn't make the jump I'd sign Emeka Okafor and Jerryd Bayless to minimum deals for insurance and backup PG.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    @Buckko

    I disagree.............not really. it all depends on what you think we will end up dealing in trade. I think it safe to assume both Lin and Asik are toast in such a move, but when considering what must be dealt with them to acquire Melo is interesting. NY will surely be bucking(no pun intended :lol:) for as many young players as possible. however we have a lot of good young promising talent. Parsons, T-Jones, D-Mo, Canaan, Beverley, Covington and to some extent G-Smith and Hamilton.....(bird rights). so it's unlikely the treasure chest will be completely empty. besides we will still have the MLE and the BAE to add players

  • Chichos says 7 months ago

    Yes deifnitely without a doubt yet. If Harden and Melo are taking roughly 18 shots a game with Howard around 15 this team would be impossible to guard. You need two 3 and D guys for the 1 and the 3 and legit size for the backup 4/5 but that team would average 120 a night.

  • Buckko says 7 months ago

    I guess the Morey would have to rely on a lot on veteren FAs taking paycuts to join a power trio of harden-howard-melo to fill out the bench.

  • BrentYen says 7 months ago

    It is basically a no brainier to take Melo at all cost IMO. Even that means you need to pay a lot of tax. (Ok...I know it is not my money, but I think it is worth it.)

  • Cooper says 7 months ago

    Trading Lin and Asik is difficult and would only be harder if other gms thought we'd be getting melo no contender or even semi contender will be in on making Houston that much better without being hugely compensated. If that could be managed without being essentially robbed by the teams taking asik and lin you have to give it a go. Melo is a huge upgrade at the four, they could use MLE to pick up another guard find a big man that can be play a little D for 15 min with the min and the improvement from melo outweighs the downgrades of bench play from the new guys compared to Asik and Lin.

  • thejohnnygold says 7 months ago

    As much as I prefer a 2 star/strong supporting cast ideology I have to admit that getting Melo is a no-brainer.

    I can't think of a way to describe his ability to score that isn't either an understatement or hyperbole....but it is somewhere between those two.

    Here is his shot chart via vorped.com for this season...

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    Mind you, this is from a guy who has little help around him--a lot of which has spent the season injured. His info from Synergy shows that he goes iso roughly 25% of the time and posts up another 20% (which is an interior iso of sorts). This means he is creating his own offense almost half the time and still producing those kinds of efficiency numbers. Assuming he would adjust being on a team with other elite players one could pretty safely assume those numbers will improve across the board. Add to that his size, athleticism, passing ability, and what I think is under-rated defense and he will be worth every penny.

    Here is his Synergy Offensive chart:

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    I highlighted some numbers that jumped out to me. Could you imagine Melo posting up with Dwight on the weakside and guys like Harden, Parsons, and Hamilton on the wings? I can :D. As a coach, I wouldn't know where to begin in crafting an offense for this trio.

    The depth concerns are valid and the thought of losing guys like Jones and Motie stings a little. The fact is Morey will bring in new guys that we will quickly learn to love (or not) just as he has done with the ones we are enamored with now.

    Lin and Asik would have to go. I am not one who thinks the balloon payments are a big problem. Teams that are serious about getting better will see it as the cost of doing business and move on. They will most likely wind up going to separate teams. Even then, the complexity of moving enough salary out without bringing much back is a staggering task. That will require luck as much as any sort of skill.

    While Lin/Asik will be missed I doubt there is any way one could argue their value supercedes what Melo would bring to the table--even after factoring in the loss of depth, talent, and salary flexibility.

    I felt similarly about Dwight at first and have had to reconsider some perspectives and preconceived ideas I held. I think the same will be true for Melo. Houston, with that trio of stars, will be a nightmare match-up for any team. In a 7 game series the odds are in our favor because those three are all top 5 players at their respective positions.

  • rockets best fan says 7 months ago

    if Morey can pull this off he will be my hero. Melo is a stud. say what you want about his flaws, but I believe he is maturing in much the same manner D-12 did last summer. he has come to the crossroad where he must chose to either take a mild pay cut to chase a championship or put his faith in a front office with limited experience and resources hoping they can turn the ship around in time. he will choose winning. I think it's more than just talk. he will leave.

    if we get a chance to get him, YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT. sure there will be issues working him in with our team, but those are the good kind of problems. the kind where you have to many options. I would be more concern with what we would be shipping out in trade. Lin/Asik will be the foundation of any move, but what other pieces will be necessary? T-Jones, Parsons, D-Mo, Beverley.......you can bet NY will ask for as many as they can get in addition to draft picks. this will be Phil's first order of business and he will want to come out smelling likerose. so you best believe he will drive a hard bargain.

    @Sir Thursday I am not as concerned about Morey's ability to fill in the gaps left by the trade. as a matter of fact I believe this is one of his strong suits. even though the trade will deplete our depth, we have so many promising young players chances are there will still be some good ones left even after the trade. I agree with you our next move will kill our flexibility, but only in the area of signing players outright. If the Rockets get Melo they still won't be over the tax threshold. since they are likely to lose either Parsons or T-Jones in the deal they won't be set to handout any big paydays for the short term unless Morey somehow manages to keep both and I really don't see NY not demanding at least Parsons.

    apparently Morey is fixed on bringing a third star to this team. I was one of the first here to tell you guys I thought we would get D-12. somehow I feel as though one of the following players will land in Houston next year.............Melo, Rondo, Love, LMA or Bosh with the most likely being Rondo (IMO) at the moment.

  • RyanB says 7 months ago

    I'm really surprised how people see Carmelo as a "Meh"!

    the guy is an unbelievable player and scorer and if put in the right situation with good coach and system he can be a very good 2 way player.

    I don't see why it wouldn't work: Harden-Howard-Melo! terrifying!

  • dbd says 7 months ago

    Very tough to move Lin and Asik with their back loaded contracts. Not sure package with TJ and Parsons will be enough.

  • Sir Thursday says 7 months ago

    If we can get him, we should. At this point any 'extra piece' is going to kill our cap flexibility, so I don't think that's worth worrying about too much, and with all due respect to Terrence Jones, Carmelo is a HUGE upgrade. The only thing I'd be worried about is if the bench gets depleted too much in order to sign him. It sounds as though the Rockets would have to dump both Lin and Asik, which would force Morey to be creative to fill out the roster. Whatever your feelings on their value, they are certainly better than anyone you could get on the minimum (unless Morey can pull a rabbit out of the hat from somewhere yet again)...

    ST

  • redfaithful says 7 months ago

    Two major questions:

    1. Can the coaching staff come up with a defensive and offensive systems that utilize the Howard-Harden-Melo combo?

    2. Will all three buy into these systems?

    If the answer to both questions is positive, I'm jumping on the Melo wagon, otherwise it's a big NO.

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