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Huq’s Pen: Finally

Back in November, only a total homer would’ve said the Rockets would make the playoffs this year and that Harden would be widely acclaimed as a top-10 player.  Even after the trade, I was thinking more along the lines of 36 wins and, for Harden, a reputation along the lines of how O.J. Mayo is currently perceived.

Back in October, my definition of success for this year would’ve been some factor of the number of Rocket rookies making the All-Rookie team.  Now we’re scoreboard watching and not for the purpose of moving up from the #14 pick.

It’s crazy to think we’re here because it rarely works out so well.  You can only get so much luck.  Only so many things can go right.  But somehow the stars aligned and the Rockets hit grand slams with the Harden trade, the Asik signing, and the strategy to re-create the offense around analytically inclined principles.  Parsons developed beyond anyone’s expectations and Jeremy Lin, for the most part, justified his signing.

The beauty of this berth, as I’ve been saying all year, is that the team actually has a nucleus.  Had the team made it last year, it really wouldn’t have meant much.  Those guys weren’t coming back so nothing would’ve been gained.  But this year, its different.  Some combination of Harden, Lin, Asik, and Parsons will be around for the long haul.  After they bow out, they’ll know in the summer what they need to work on.  They’ll get closer.  If they’re stomped, they’ll draw upon that experience in coming years.  That’s what it means to have a nucleus and to build chemistry through experience.  The Rockets, after years of treating the roster like a stock index have finally reached the point where intangible considerations can play a role.

  • Kobe and Wade over Harden in ESPN’s NBARank can make sense, for different reasons, but I don’t know how Russell Westbrook can in any way be considered the 5th best player in basketball or even considered better than Tony Parker.  Westbrook’s supporters will defend him to the death, but in my opinion, if its a close playoff game, in the 4th quarter, he’s not even on my short list of point guards I want at the helm running my team, not after the number of times he’s completely melted down and made the wrong decisions in previous games.
  • For what it’s worth, I have Harden at 7th behind, in this order, James-Durant-Paul-Parker-Kobe-Wade.
  • The thing most fascinating is that out of the nine best players in the NBA, none are big men.  We’ve really reached this point.
  • Can you believe the Houston Rockets actually have a top-10 player again?  That still hasn’t even sunk in yet completely after what it took to get here, from Bosh never returning the Ipad to Dwightmare last summer.
  • Speaking of Dwightmare, what increases the odds of Howard leaving this summer?  The Lakers missing the playoffs entirely or the Lakers making it, but getting ousted in the first round?
  • Right now, Houston sits at 7th, and if the postseason were to begin today, would open at Oklahoma City.  ’6′ sounds nice, but I want no part of Denver who seems to not have lost a step after the injury to Galinari.  As strange as it may sound, I would actually prefer meeting the Spurs or the Thunder over facing the Nuggets.  The Spurs have proven in previous years that experience does not equate to invincibility and with Ginobili out and Parker hobbled, are ripe for the picking.  Asik handles Duncan well and Harden historically has San Antonio’s number.  As for the Thunder, it would simply make for an amazing story for The Bearded One to return to his stomping grounds.  The human pride factor alone would give Houston a fighting chance.
  • The Clippers are in a freefall and in danger of even falling to #5, having gone just 5-5 in their last 10 games.  Had you asked me a few months ago, I would have told you that Chris Paul returning long-term to L.A. was a virtual lock.  Now, I’m not so sure.  I’d actually say that Paul leaving seems like a greater bet than Howard departing from the Lakers.  Why?  Because unlike Howard, Paul is deeply and solely committed to winning.  I keep thinking back to a game a few weeks back between Dallas and the Clippers where the Mavericks essentially took the game by simply doubling Paul every time he touched the ball in overtime.  No one else on L.A. had a chance of doing anything, even playing 5 against 4.  If the Clippers get ousted in similar fashion this postseason in the first round, and the Rockets either win their first round series or are competitive (with Harden averaging 30+), I really could see a snowball’s chance of Paul turning down the money to come to Houston.  I could see it.  He strikes me as one of the only guys who would turn down the money for winning.
  • Would Paul fit with Harden?  Not nearly as well as a Howard-Harden pairing would work, but it’s a case where you sign first and figure it out later.  Both players are so uniquely intelligent that they’d figure out how to make it work, despite both needing the ball, just like Lebron James and Dwyane Wade were able to do.
  • Can we get some love for Kevin McHale?  I haven’t seen him even on any short lists for Coach of the Year, an honor for which he at least should be in the running.  I haven’t agreed with all of his decisions, but the job he’s done in leading the youngest roster in the league to the postseason is undeniable.  It’s not easy to win in this league, especially with players who have never been there.  You don’t understand how big a difference experience makes in this league until you see how clueless some of the rookies look on the defensive end at times.  I think the biggest obstacle, and what people don’t understand, is how hard it was to lose someone like Patterson.  When you look at Patterson, you just see a guy with limited upside who doesn’t do anything exceptionally well.  I was one of the biggest proponents of giving time to the rookies and I still think it was a smart trade.  But you don’t understand why coaches stick with a guy like Pat until you see the ‘deer in the headlights’ look on the faces of guys like Motiejunas after a blown assignment.  That ‘look’ is the reason why coaches have their security blankets.  They can deal with a lot of things, but nothing is more frustrating than poor interior defense and blown assignments.  Fans don’t see this.  They see guys like Jordan Hill and Stromile Swift grabbing rebounds and blocking shots, but they don’t understand how these players have a negative impact in the aggregate because of their mental lapses on ordinary plays.  McHale overcoming the loss of Patterson, with no veteran replacements, stands as his greatest accomplishment.

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  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    I'm going on record here that LA LA land decides to make Dwight Howard their cornerstone piece for the foreseeable future and will blow up their roster (and quite possibly their coaching staff) to convince Howard to sign there. Howard is no dummy, he knows how successful the Lakers organization has been the past couple of decades and with a clean start next season and the fact Kobe is out for a good portion of the season, it's not that difficult an argument for the Lakers to make to Howard.

    Remember when the Lakers jettisoned Lamar Odom at the start of last season to Dallas? I wouldn't at all be surprised that the Lakers do something similar with Gasol, perhaps even amnesty him to free up more cap room for signing players better aligned to play in sync with Howard going forward. Morey and the Rockets need to do all they can to be at the front of the line to get Pau Gasol. He would be the perfect fit at PF for the next couple of seasons here in Houston as things play out with our youngsters and Morey continues to position the Rockets for additional free agent or trade acquistions these next couple of seasons.

    I would be SALIVATING if we somehow got Pau Gasol offamnesty. My gosh, that would be awesome. Then we could still use the bulk of our cap space on either another very good player in the $12M range!!! or rent it out to get more assets. Very, very nice.

    I don't think they'll amnesty him though, now that Kobe is out. They'd rather trade him for young assets. I agree that LAL might be willing to blow the team up for Howard; just now sure how they'll go about doing it THIS upcoming season. They are locked down pretty hard w/ difficult to move (for equal value) contracts. 2015 though they have pretty much NO guaranteed payroll. That is what they'll be selling Howard on -- 2015 and on.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    sometimes? Is that mean less than 50%, 30% or 10% :rolleyes:

    depends on the person

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    the cowgirls don't play basketball. besides environment can make all the difference in the world sometimes

    sometimes? Is that mean less than 50%, 30% or 10% :rolleyes:

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I don't understand why some of you wants bad apples like Howard and Cousins.

    Look, Cowboys got those type of players and didn't make the playoff.

    the cowgirls don't play basketball. besides environment can make all the difference in the world sometimes

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    I don't understand why some of you wants bad apples like Howard and Cousins.

    Look, Cowboys got those type of players and didn't make the playoff.

  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    Yeah that sounds about right. I prefer a Plan B w/ JSmoove @ $14M, but not enough so where I would not be okay w/ a Plan B where we get Pau for 1 yr and then get rdy for 2014 FA, or even the backup to that which is not give up anything to get Pau (through amnesty or trade) and instead just rent out cap space and wait for 2014 FA. That is probably the order for me, but they all sound pretty good.

    Hmm...somewhere there I need to fit in Millsap + OJ Mayo or something along those lines, but I haven't decided where I would put that in my own line of preference yet haha.

    I'm going on record here that LA LA land decides to make Dwight Howard their cornerstone piece for the foreseeable future and will blow up their roster (and quite possibly their coaching staff) to convince Howard to sign there. Howard is no dummy, he knows how successful the Lakers organization has been the past couple of decades and with a clean start next season and the fact Kobe is out for a good portion of the season, it's not that difficult an argument for the Lakers to make to Howard.

    Remember when the Lakers jettisoned Lamar Odom at the start of last season to Dallas? I wouldn't at all be surprised that the Lakers do something similar with Gasol, perhaps even amnesty him to free up more cap room for signing players better aligned to play in sync with Howard going forward. Morey and the Rockets need to do all they can to be at the front of the line to get Pau Gasol. He would be the perfect fit at PF for the next couple of seasons here in Houston as things play out with our youngsters and Morey continues to position the Rockets for additional free agent or trade acquistions these next couple of seasons.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    RBF you're 2014 plan is neglecting one aspect. You keep pointing to what we "don't know"--much like the Harden trade. And that is just it. We are talking free agency and you are talking trades. Via free agency which you continue to insist we are "not kicking any tires on"...(when in reality we have repeatedly explained our reasoning for presuming those dogs won't hunt and moving on and assuming Morey will kick the tires for us--do we really have to say it every single time or can we start to presume that if there was a sniff of Lebron going on the open market all the teams in the entirety of the world immediately pick up their phones? Your repeated insinuations are somewhat insulting to the people you are debating with as it infers fear, weakness, and a lack of well-thought out opinions. Surely you wouldn't mean to do so, but this is how it comes across--especially when followed by the self-echoing decrees of how you never "settle" (another loaded word) and on and on...)....getting back to the point, via free agency most of us believe there are not going to be very good options on the open market. Now, if you want to talk trade scenarios that is a different thing all together. We won't know who is disgruntled, what teams have panic attacks over luxury taxes, etc. Now, bearing that in mind--having trade pieces is important. We were fortunate to have one of the most efficient shooting guards in the league on an expiring to get Harden...

    Think of it this way: if we don't have someone like Josh Smith signed, then odds are we have to trade one of Lin/Asik plus some of our promising young talent to acquire whatever crosses our path. We might get better, but not as much as signing someone outright and retaining both of those guys--I think they are both under-rated. Now, if we have Smith it's easy (believe it or not he is trade-able) as we can box him up and send him out for whatever amazing offer comes our way. Now, you have repeatedly countered this with, "well, if you didn't want to keep him then why did you sign him in the first place?" Which is the dis-connect--you're way of thinking is not my own--I do want to keep him. I am only offering this up to assuage your feelings against him and it limiting our 2014 options. It really doesn't at all--especially regarding the mysterious unknown of the 2014 trade market.

    this is where you are wrong........we are not just discussing FA...we are discussing options whether that be FA or trade. assuming a dog won't hunt b4 you even take him into the forest makes no sense. I keep echoing the same thing because you fail to absorb my point. we have better options than j-smith. just because you love him doesn't mean he is the best option (behind plan A of course). that my be your opinion and I respect that, but trying to prop him up as the only clear cut good decision should plan A fail is where the fork is in the road with us. I only discussed the other options to show you that their are clearly better and more options available. j-smith plays a position of strength for us ......ie you want to run him at SF.....well guess what .....we already have a pretty good SF in parsons. the way for this team to get better is not duplicating positions of strength, its to shore up positions of weakness

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    ^That is funny...and weird...and now I think we will all have that same vision. :lol:

  • Sir Thursday says 1 YEAR ago

    Slight digression: whenever I read the title to this thread the following video pops into my head (not that its contents are at all related to how I see this situation):

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    RBF you're 2014 plan is neglecting one aspect. You keep pointing to what we "don't know"--much like the Harden trade. And that is just it. We are talking free agency and you are talking trades. Via free agency which you continue to insist we are "not kicking any tires on"...(when in reality we have repeatedly explained our reasoning for presuming those dogs won't hunt and moving on and assuming Morey will kick the tires for us--do we really have to say it every single time or can we start to presume that if there was a sniff of Lebron going on the open market all the teams in the entirety of the world immediately pick up their phones? Your repeated insinuations are somewhat insulting to the people you are debating with as it infers fear, weakness, and a lack of well-thought out opinions. Surely you wouldn't mean to do so, but this is how it comes across--especially when followed by the self-echoing decrees of how you never "settle" (another loaded word) and on and on...)....getting back to the point, via free agency most of us believe there are not going to be very good options on the open market. Now, if you want to talk trade scenarios that is a different thing all together. We won't know who is disgruntled, what teams have panic attacks over luxury taxes, etc. Now, bearing that in mind--having trade pieces is important. We were fortunate to have one of the most efficient shooting guards in the league on an expiring to get Harden...

    Think of it this way: if we don't have someone like Josh Smith signed, then odds are we have to trade one of Lin/Asik plus some of our promising young talent to acquire whatever crosses our path. We might get better, but not as much as signing someone outright and retaining both of those guys--I think they are both under-rated. Now, if we have Smith it's easy (believe it or not he is trade-able) as we can box him up and send him out for whatever amazing offer comes our way. Now, you have repeatedly countered this with, "well, if you didn't want to keep him then why did you sign him in the first place?" Which is the dis-connect--you're way of thinking is not my own--I do want to keep him. I am only offering this up to assuage your feelings against him and it limiting our 2014 options. It really doesn't at all--especially regarding the mysterious unknown of the 2014 trade market.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Yeah that sounds about right. I prefer a Plan B w/ JSmoove @ $14M, but not enough so where I would not be okay w/ a Plan B where we get Pau for 1 yr and then get rdy for 2014 FA, or even the backup to that which is not give up anything to get Pau (through amnesty or trade) and instead just rent out cap space and wait for 2014 FA. That is probably the order for me, but they all sound pretty good.

    Hmm...somewhere there I need to fit in Millsap + OJ Mayo or something along those lines, but I haven't decided where I would put that in my own line of preference yet haha.

    had to laugh on that last part :lol:........we have so many options kinda hard to sort through them :lol:

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    if we are unable to sign d-12 or cp3...then we move to plan B. your plan B is j-smith....my plan B is wait for 2014. so the only thing we are giving up is a chance to sign j-smith. small price to pay for waiting till the smoke clears(IMO)

    Yeah that sounds about right. I prefer a Plan B w/ JSmoove @ $14M, but not enough so where I would not be okay w/ a Plan B where we get Pau for 1 yr and then get rdy for 2014 FA, or even the backup to that which is not give up anything to get Pau (through amnesty or trade) and instead just rent out cap space and wait for 2014 FA. That is probably the order for me, but they all sound pretty good.

    Hmm...somewhere there I need to fit in Millsap + OJ Mayo or something along those lines, but I haven't decided where I would put that in my own line of preference yet haha.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Depends what we're giving up to kick the tires. Probability of it happening (P) times the benefit of the event ( B) has to be greater than the X positives that we get by going another route. I am getting less and less excited about the BP route over the X route, mostly because I see the P as pretty small.

    if we are unable to sign d-12 or cp3...then we move to plan B. your plan B is j-smith....my plan B is wait for 2014. so the only thing we are giving up is a chance to sign j-smith. small price to pay for waiting till the smoke clears(IMO)

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    all of this may very well come to pass. however should we not at least kick the tires?

    Depends what we're giving up to kick the tires. Probability of it happening (P) times the benefit of the event (B) has to be greater than the X positives that we get by going another route. I am getting less and less excited about the BP route over the X route, mostly because I see the P as pretty small.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    that's what people said b4 the harden trade

    But everyone saw the new cba/Ibaka and Harden situation coming. People just thought it would not have happened so soon (or which they would choose). Everyone thought they'd keep him for this season, or at least to a trade deadline or something. The speed and suddenness w/ which it happened is what shocked people, not that it did.

    None of the players are in the same situation as Harden and OKC. Pacers and Wiz can easily re-sign their future building blocks, who these players are. Paul George leaving Pacers is like Harden leaving Houston. Why would they give up their best player who is young and a restricted free agent and a lock to be a future all star? Wiz also have no one but Wall -- why would they let him walkfor free when they have a TON of cap space that yr?

    Like I said, Bosh is possible. Cousins is possible too but not via free agency. If Maloofs still in charge, who knows, but they won't be by then, and if the new owners are even semi-competent, they won't let Cousins walk for free.

    And if Cousins is not walking for free, our cap space really not that important. Cousins stands to make $6.5M. Doubt we can't get within 125% of that when giving up young assets/pieces that they would want. We won't suck enough where our 1st round draft pick weighsthat much by itself.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I am SURE Paul George is getting matched. Pretty sure about John Wall as well. Keep in mind, a large reason why we could steal Lin was because we could employ the poison pill. If not, Lin would still be at NYK. We can't do that poison pill contract w/ any of the aforementioned players. They're also much more important building blocks to their respective franchises than Lin was to the Knicks, as he was sort of an inserted replacement who caught fire. Melo was their building block.

    LBJ coming to Houston is...not happening. I see absolutely no reason why he would. Bosh is a real possibility, and one that I hold out hope for in 2014. But at $20M and the wrong side of age 30, I am still a tad hesitant about him.

    all of this may very well come to pass. however should we not at least kick the tires?

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @ Steven

    If we elect to wait till 2014 I believe our best target is cousins. I know all the drawbacks on him, but believe him to just need rescuing from sac to start moving toward his potential. Yes he is restricted, but we may be able to get sac to trade him at that point.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    Are you sure they will match? Everyone thought the Knicks would match, heck Woody said they were matching and then, Lin is a Rocket. You sign them and make them match.

    I am SURE Paul George is getting matched. Pretty sure about John Wall as well. Keep in mind, a large reason why we could steal Lin was because we could employ the poison pill. If not, Lin would still be at NYK. We can't do that poison pill contract w/ any of the aforementioned players. They're also much more important building blocks to their respective franchises than Lin was to the Knicks, as he was sort of an inserted replacement who caught fire. Melo was their building block.

    LBJ coming to Houston is...not happening. I see absolutely no reason why he would. Bosh is a real possibility, and one that I hold out hope for in 2014. But at $20M and the wrong side of age 30, I am still a tad hesitant about him.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Are you sure they will match? Everyone thought the Knicks would match, heck Woody said they were matching and then, Lin is a Rocket. You sign them and make them match.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    that's what people said b4 the harden trade

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Bosh might opt out, but there's no guarantee he will. For all we know, all 3 Heatles might opt out and resign for less just so they can stay together and make history.

    If you think Lebron is coming to Houston you're more delusional than Bun B.

    John Wall will be a restricted free agent, and Washington will match any offer.

    Paul George is also a restricted free agent, and Indiana will match any offer.

    Danny Granger is not an "A class" free agent, plus we already have Parsons.

    Demarcus Cousins is also a restricted free agent, and Sacramento won't let him go for free.

    So as you can see, our 2014 options aren't that great. The best unrestricted agent in that class I can see signing with Houston is Pau Gasol who is already turning 33 this year.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Bosh might be forced out
    LeBron LA/Cleveland
    John Wall
    Paul George
    Danny Granger
    Demarcus Cousins
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    Name 3 "A class" players next summer who are likely to leave to their team.

    I have thought of this myself and few come to mind, part of why I have become less excited about 2014 FA.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Name 3 "A class" players next summer who are likely to leave to their team.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    I will disagree on them being 'C' players, but I will say I can see the argument that they aren't the 'A' stars that we're looking for. But you guys seem to have this weird perception of our salary cap. It isn't something indefinite that we carry over. It'll be very different around the time we have to re-sign Parsons, Lin and Asik (2015), so we're really asking, do we want to spend it THIS summer...or NEXT summer. That's all.


    I know and I wanna spend it next summer. This summer has average players besides CP3.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    And option B is status quo because beside CP3 no one out there is a big enough upgrade over the current roster to warrant signing to big money. Now if somebody is willing to sign a one year deal, that's ok. If more years is required, Morey needs to stand pat. You need two A players to win a championship, besides CP3 their isn't a second A player to match with Hardin. Smith and Millsap are both C players at best.

    I will disagree on them being 'C' players, but I will say I can see the argument that they aren't the 'A' stars that we're looking for. But you guys seem to have this weird perception of our salary cap. It isn't something indefinite that we carry over. It'll be very different around the time we have to re-sign Parsons, Lin and Asik (2015), so we're really asking, do we want to spend it THIS summer...or NEXT summer. That's all.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    Big 3 model is only proven method to win championship. Two stars might not be enough to counter Heat. Clippers has two stars with deep bench but still not a top contender. Clippers fan can blame it on coach but it is very sure CP3 will get whoever he wants as coach. Will he has same power if he join rockets? Or will CP3 think Rockets is a better team than Houston? For Howard, he like bright lights than trophy. I believe Howard is more likely to stay.

    This is where I disagree. Clipps have one star: CP3. Blake Griffin is not really a 'star' per se. He's really fun to watch, and even though his last few seasons have stagnated a bit, there's a lot of potential there due to his age. But I don't think he's quite at star level.

    Big 3 model can't be the only proven method to win. It has only won once lol. Celtics I guess you can count as another similar win, but in between LAL won twice w/ a big 2 model (essentially, since Bynum was useless in one and not at a star lvl per se in another), and Mavs had a big 1 model. Not sure why big 3 model is the only "proven" method to win when it seems as successful as other recent winners, not to mention all the past wins that were NOT big 3 models. Why are we discounting all of those?

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Miami will be busted up after next season. Too much money. Your planning for the 2015 title.
  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    Big 3 model is only proven method to win championship. Two stars might not be enough to counter Heat. Clippers has two stars with deep bench but still not a top contender. Clippers fan can blame it on coach but it is very sure CP3 will get whoever he wants as coach. Will he has same power if he join rockets? Or will CP3 think Rockets is a better team than Houston? For Howard, he like bright lights than trophy. I believe Howard is more likely to stay.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    I totally misread what he was saying. I actually agree with him, the chances of Dwight or Cp3 leaving Hollywood isn't even worth talking about. Morey will try, fail, and move on to option B--it's inevitable. .


    And option B is status quo because beside CP3 no one out there is a big enough upgrade over the current roster to warrant signing to big money. Now if somebody is willing to sign a one year deal, that's ok. If more years is required, Morey needs to stand pat. You need two A players to win a championship, besides CP3 their isn't a second A player to match with Hardin. Smith and Millsap are both C players at best.
  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    I totally misread what he was saying. I actually agree with him, the chances of Dwight or Cp3 leaving Hollywood isn't even worth talking about. Morey will try, fail, and move on to option B--it's inevitable. .

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    First of all, welcome to the forum. I'm new here too btw.

    The people talking about Josh Smith are working on the premise that Dwight and Cp3 will resign with their respected teams, but we still expect Morey to do his duediligencein trying. No one said we should go after option B before going for option A first. You a new here so no one expected you to know this, but RBF should have known this and relayed it to you as it has been stated several times by at least three different members.

    mannythegoat is entitled to his own opinion.......which by the way may differ from yours....please let him speak for himself

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.

    First of all, welcome to the forum. Second of all, I agree. Obviously we all expect Morey will do his due diligence in going for option A, but most of us aren't delusional enough to think option A will actually leave Hollywood.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.

    hello mannythegoat.....welcome to the forum. why should we accept the inevitability of j-smith without even kicking the tires to see if cp3 or d-12would beinterested?

  • mannythegoat says 1 YEAR ago Ummm... we aren't getting Howard or CP3 this summer. Stop this foolishness. Let's just accept the inevitability of Josh Smith and move on.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Don't worry RBF, I didn't take it personally or felt offended at all :D

    yeah the debater kinda came out in me. :rolleyes:me, thejohnnygold, 2016champions, and phaketrash have been debating most of the day.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Don't worry RBF, I didn't take it personally or felt offended at all :D

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    It's not bad, I'm just trying to encourage all from enjoying a bit more what's happening now, that's all :D don't punch me

    sorry if I offended...was not my intention. just thought you were trying to make a point there......my bad please accept my apology

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    It's not bad, I'm just trying to encourage all from enjoying a bit more what's happening now, that's all :D don't punch me

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Both things are inclusive: current roster + current coach = playoff now! Having CP3 or in some people's case, (especially yours) another coach (let's say Pop just for fun) are future topics.

    true that is whats happening now. however why should that stop us from discussing the future of the team? I think all of us love the rockets and we discuss every aspect of the team at random. why should this be some special (don't discuss the future time frame)? if you thumb through this thread you will find many prior to our postings who have expressed their views on what's happening now. we are pretty much in agreement. nothing more to discuss if we agree. so without this additional subject this thread would already be dead. so I don't get it why is it bad for fans of a team to discuss any aspect of that team at any time. please enlighten me :mellow:

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    you just had to bring up that coach thing huh :lol: :lol:

    Both things are inclusive: current roster + current coach = playoff now! Having CP3 or in some people's case, (especially yours) another coach (let's say Pop just for fun) are future topics.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Agree on both: Denver is like our big brother and we should learn how to beat them first in order to pretend to beat them all. And hands down, CP3 is a no-brainer if you have the possibility of bringing him to Houston, but my PG now is Lin (just like McHale is my coach now).

    you just had to bring up that coach thing huh :lol: :lol:

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Not to get back on topic of being off topic lol, but CP3's $2M discount from Howard's max price tag is nice as well. Moving Lin and TRob and maaaaaybe White (like a bad contract w/ one of those) for almost nothing could net both CP3 at $18M and JSmoove at $14M or so. Okay, highly doubtful we can clear the room for that, but Millsap at $12M is very easy.

    Does that assuage anyone's concerns when it comes to more defense on the team? Millsap would help steady our defense at the 4, even if he is not at JSmith's level. CP3 is a better defender than Lin, and Parsons can prob expend a little less energy on the offensive end (and maybe more on defense) w/ that stacked starting lineup.

    But I also agree, in a vacuum, Howard is a better fit on our current team than CP3, but lot more moving pieces become available that can help in our areas of need if we somehow got CP3 (through some magix).

    got to agree that's a nice plan. with theacquisition of cp3 it creates other movable parts which we can use to trade for others to fill the gaps created. lets not forget we will still have asik. for all practical purposes he is our defense right now. without him we would be seeing a parade to the bucket. so believing we would be worse defensively is unrealistic. however with the newly tradable pieces we may be able to shore up that defense. the guy is a superstar......whether we get the best center in the league with d12 or the best PG in the league in cp3...we will still have gotten a player who is tops at his position in the league. some one explain how we lose in that situation? :rolleyes:

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Agree on both: Denver is like our big brother and we should learn how to beat them first in order to pretend to beat them all. And hands down, CP3 is a no-brainer if you have the possibility of bringing him to Houston, but my PG now is Lin (just like McHale is my coach now).

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I know, I tend to derail myself too sometimes, but even though we might be one and out, I'm very excited about seeing the Rox playing playoff ball for the first time in a while. The thing is even if we face the Nuggets and they beat us 4-0, I'm fully convinced we are giving them a hell of a run for their money.

    Also, even with all those advantages of having someone like CP3 running the team, he still has some pressure (from the outside and selfimposed) to win something. On the other hand, Lin has nothing to lose at this point, which makes him dangerous as well. Just like this season goal: we might get ahead of schedule as well :D incredible has happened before!

    actually I'm hopping we face Denver. I agree we might get thumped, but the experience gained can only be considered a plus. we are about to get a look at a better version of us as for as the uptempo game. this will test us defensively. while I expect us to put up a nice fight....Denver is a little further along on the road to contending. however this series will teach us the importance of playing defense, cutting turnovers down, taking good shots and how too perform when the bright lights of playoff basketball come on. that's more important than trying to find an easy opponent.

    as for lin....I still like him, but cp3 isCP3.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    Not to get back on topic of being off topic lol, but CP3's $2M discount from Howard's max price tag is nice as well. Moving Lin and TRob and maaaaaybe White (like a bad contract w/ one of those) for almost nothing could net both CP3 at $18M and JSmoove at $14M or so. Okay, highly doubtful we can clear the room for that, but Millsap at $12M is very easy.

    Does that assuage anyone's concerns when it comes to more defense on the team? Millsap would help steady our defense at the 4, even if he is not at JSmith's level. CP3 is a better defender than Lin, and Parsons can prob expend a little less energy on the offensive end (and maybe more on defense) w/ that stacked starting lineup.

    But I also agree, in a vacuum, Howard is a better fit on our current team than CP3, but lot more moving pieces become available that can help in our areas of need if we somehow got CP3 (through some magix).

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    I know, I tend to derail myself too sometimes, but even though we might be one and out, I'm very excited about seeing the Rox playing playoff ball for the first time in a while. The thing is even if we face the Nuggets and they beat us 4-0, I'm fully convinced we are giving them a hell of a run for their money.

    Also, even with all those advantages of having someone like CP3 running the team, he still has some pressure (from the outside and selfimposed) to win something. On the other hand, Lin has nothing to lose at this point, which makes him dangerous as well. Just like this season goal: we might get ahead of schedule as well :D incredible has happened before!

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Hey, how about getting excited about how far this team can get this year and stop thinking about "what if..." for a couple of months? We'll have plenty of time to think about that. This year's plan was to get a bit worse to get much better in the long haul, but it turns out we already got better and we made the playoffs for the first time in four years, so....let's focus on this year's team and root for them THIS YEAR!

    I'm incline to agree, however rarely do this threads stay on topic pass a page or so. it's so easy to start discussing another point and rather than create a new thread we just let the conversation flow. make no mistake about it....I am loving the rocket ride right now. there has been a playoff drought around here and I see some playoff rain on the horizon.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Hey, how about getting excited about how far this team can get this year and stop thinking about "what if..." for a couple of months? We'll have plenty of time to think about that. This year's plan was to get a bit worse to get much better in the long haul, but it turns out we already got better and we made the playoffs for the first time in four years, so....let's focus on this year's team and root for them THIS YEAR!

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I hear ya...for me, I think Lin can get us close to CP3's production by next year's playoffs (optimism alert). You know I don't much care for standard convention and while the two star model is proven it does not mean that the cat can only be skinned that way. I think Lin and Harden form arguably the best guard duo by the end of next season...if there is a Parsons/Howard/Asik combo behind them (yes, I play Howard at the 4 and then at back-up center while asik rests) then we destroy. I just don't feel like we need anymore offense--we need defense. This is half of why Kevin Love has little interest to me these days (that and his injury prob).

    CP3 drawing double teams is a good point, but the rockets offense is designed to create double teams through penetration so I'm not certain a wing player that automatically draws them is of much concern. Now, a post player that could demand a double is a different story.

    I'm not knocking j-lin. however he will never be the player cp3 is now. I do believe thereis more than 1 way to skin a cat, but the easier it can be done the better(IMO). I'm not worried about so much the changes in the offense as I am the potentcyof the attack. I agree d-12 is a better fit for the team we already have in place. however I think cp3 can add just as much to the team, but in a different way. the combination of cp3, harden, parsons...on the wing will make for tuff matchups for opposing teams nightly. YES... we need defensive help, but that can be found in cheaper packages than offensive power plants. in addition whatever we are able to flip lin for will also add to the mix. that's a win/win for us. it's probably all a moot point because I don't think cp3 will be leaving LA. however if he does we need to be beating his door down trying to get in to talk to him.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I hear ya...for me, I think Lin can get us close to CP3's production by next year's playoffs (optimism alert). You know I don't much care for standard convention and while the two star model is proven it does not mean that the cat can only be skinned that way. I think Lin and Harden form arguably the best guard duo by the end of next season...if there is a Parsons/Howard/Asik combo behind them (yes, I play Howard at the 4 and then at back-up center while asik rests) then we destroy. I just don't feel like we need anymore offense--we need defense. This is half of why Kevin Love has little interest to me these days (that and his injury prob).

    CP3 drawing double teams is a good point, but the rockets offense is designed to create double teams through penetration so I'm not certain a wing player that automatically draws them is of much concern. Now, a post player that could demand a double is a different story.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @phaketrash

    the point you brought up about the double team cp3 is able to draw. I would like to expand on that a little. no doubt the only way to slow cp3 down is the double to get the ball out of his hands. however this is exactly where he would take us to the next level. teams can usually double 1 man and survive, but couldn't afford to double both cp3 and harden. that will always create mismatches on the floor. considering the youngsters we have at PF....can you imagine cp3 feeding the masses.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    RBF, that does make sense. I still love the idea of signing Smith, but at this point I will be content with the Rockets addressing their needs vs. signing a "star"--we already know this team is pretty good and no where near its ceiling--we also know that an elite wing defender and a back up center are needed. I think we have enough talent to not sign a star and just fill those gaps with above average players...I think Lin can be that second star....Parsons looks like a better version of Jeff Hornacek (Boooooo!) Surely one of the PF's can reach a top 10 level and Asik is Asik!!!

    Like I said, I still like Smith as I see him being the "perfect fit", but I'll be happy with the other plan too...I still love signing Dwight and making him play PF like a bulldozer on offense and the best weak side defender in the world next to asik. Spacing be damned! That would be awesome.

    This could also turn out exactly how it did for CP3. A team w/ good players yet never gets too far in the playoffs. CP3 adds that stardom, yes, but w/ that stardom comes one of the best closers in the nba for the 4th quarter. He is someone the defense has to take account for...much more so than they do for Lin.

    And that is something to keep in mind -- the nba is still, at the heart of it, a 5 on 5 game. That is it. Just 5 players on the court at any one time. Having one of the best PGs of all time, in his prime, w/ a rising star SG...you just have to roll the dice with that.

    All the successful teams in the nba today employ that star model -- all have at least 2 superstars. I can't think of a team going into the finals this yr that does not have at least two. As great as Lin and Asik and Parsons are, they are not yet in that category, and chances are, will not reach that category (they might, but more likely than not fall short of it).

    I would be very sad to lose Lin...I think he is a great teammate, has great potential, and brings a lot to his role while constantly improving. And I would say CP3 is in a way slightly more redundant to the team than say D12 would be (sry Asik). But I definitely agree w/ RBF. One of the best 4th quarter closers who can ALWAYS tear apart another team's offense...who can draw that double and be the focus of the other team when it matters...games and championships are won and lost on a handful of points. On one or two buckets...that upgrade could mean all the difference.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    RBF, that does make sense. I still love the idea of signing Smith, but at this point I will be content with the Rockets addressing their needs vs. signing a "star"--we already know this team is pretty good and no where near its ceiling--we also know that an elite wing defender and a back up center are needed. I think we have enough talent to not sign a star and just fill those gaps with above average players...I think Lin can be that second star....Parsons looks like a better version of Jeff Hornacek (Boooooo!) Surely one of the PF's can reach a top 10 level and Asik is Asik!!!

    Like I said, I still like Smith as I see him being the "perfect fit", but I'll be happy with the other plan too...I still love signing Dwight and making him play PF like a bulldozer on offense and the best weak side defender in the world next to asik. Spacing be damned! That would be awesome.

    I agree addressing team needs outweigh signing players in positions of strength, but it's hard to pass on cp3 if we get the chance :Pthere is the argument of getting the stars 1st then change the role players around them to better suit them. the rockets are still evolving. what you see now is not the final product. to continue that evolution means changes to all parts of our game offensively and defensively. as we acquire more talent those players will change the way we play. stars make this process easier. because we have only1 superstar the foundation of our team is not yet set. whatever position the next star we acquire plays will profoundly change the way we play depending on that players strengths and weaknesses. I am more in line with this........get the star 1stand work out the details later. as long as he doesn't play harden position every star must be given consideration. (IMO) if we are going to operate from the 2 star system...we need to megastars. cp3 is just such a star(IMO) along with d12, LeBron, melo, durrant, wade just to name a few. this(IMO) gives us the best chance to have multiple years of championship contention.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I'm with you that Smith is trade-able...especially if he signs around $14M.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Bench players is not of godly importance because when we get to the playoffs all our starters play more minutes. Plus, instead of blowing 5m on a back-up center, lets keep in mind that this is the last time we will every have alot of cap space. But this won't be the last time we can spend 5m on back-up players (we will have the MLE in the future). The way I see it, even if Josh Smith and Millsap are not our first option, they are still valuable assets that can be used in a trade package to geta player we want (and it can be a 3-team-trade). I know people here think no one will want them, but I strongly disagree.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    RBF, that does make sense. I still love the idea of signing Smith, but at this point I will be content with the Rockets addressing their needs vs. signing a "star"--we already know this team is pretty good and no where near its ceiling--we also know that an elite wing defender and a back up center are needed. I think we have enough talent to not sign a star and just fill those gaps with above average players...I think Lin can be that second star....Parsons looks like a better version of Jeff Hornacek (Boooooo!) Surely one of the PF's can reach a top 10 level and Asik is Asik!!!

    Like I said, I still like Smith as I see him being the "perfect fit", but I'll be happy with the other plan too...I still love signing Dwight and making him play PF like a bulldozer on offense and the best weak side defender in the world next to asik. Spacing be damned! That would be awesome.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    Like JG said though, you could say that about anyone who's not Lebron. Lets be realistic.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    We all like Chris Paul, but is he what this team needs? I just can't wrap my head around what he will bring to the table that makes us significantly better....will we suddenly start averaging 120 ppg? It is Harden who continues to be Mr. Turnover. Lin has gotten his TO problem mostly under control. Will Paul's bounce passes be so much better that Asik will never fumble them? I don't mean to come across sardonically, but I think he is a redundancy and his value above what we already have at the position is limited given that it is already an area of strength.

    A couple of months ago--shortly after Beverley's arrival--I did a comparison between the backcourt duo of Paul and Bledsoe versus Lin and Bev by production....the numbers, parred out to 48 min. production...were nearly identical. From what I understand, Paul's defense is nothing to write home about so, again, what are we adding besides "stardom", a bigger contract, and veteran experience? I know he can do a lot of amazing things on the offensive end...but so can Lin...I'm just not convinced the upgrade is as big as one might think.

    Further, I still think we have yet to see Lin's ceiling. I have high hopes for next year and expect that he is going to show marked improvement across the board.

    Should Paul come on board, I do hope we retain Lin as a back up, combo-guard behind Paul and Harden and he can take the 6th man role. There is just too much to like about him to toss him aside.

    Rollingwave, I agree that one has to question whether Paul is over-rated :o Yup, I said it. He has played on teams with enough talent that, if he is as good as perceived, should have accomplished more. Technically, they are in 5th place in the West right now on a team with loads of talent. I'm not saying he isn't a great PG, but that raises concerns for me. Let's see how this year goes, but right now I'm on the fence and leaning...

    while I disagree you make some very good points...........this is pretty close to the argument I have been pushing on j-smith....ie not enough of an upgrade based on needs verse cost.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    I'm surprised someonementioned RSPM, it's a very questionable stat though. Kyle Lowry is ranked 12th.

    I agree with JG's notion that Cp3 might not be what we need. Lin is actually turning out to be pretty damn good, on both ends of the floor.

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    We all like Chris Paul, but is he what this team needs? I just can't wrap my head around what he will bring to the table that makes us significantly better....will we suddenly start averaging 120 ppg? It is Harden who continues to be Mr. Turnover. Lin has gotten his TO problem mostly under control. Will Paul's bounce passes be so much better that Asik will never fumble them? I don't mean to come across sardonically, but I think he is a redundancy and his value above what we already have at the position is limited given that it is already an area of strength.

    A couple of months ago--shortly after Beverley's arrival--I did a comparison between the backcourt duo of Paul and Bledsoe versus Lin and Bev by production....the numbers, parred out to 48 min. production...were nearly identical. From what I understand, Paul's defense is nothing to write home about so, again, what are we adding besides "stardom", a bigger contract, and veteran experience? I know he can do a lot of amazing things on the offensive end...but so can Lin...I'm just not convinced the upgrade is as big as one might think.

    Further, I still think we have yet to see Lin's ceiling. I have high hopes for next year and expect that he is going to show marked improvement across the board.

    Should Paul come on board, I do hope we retain Lin as a back up, combo-guard behind Paul and Harden and he can take the 6th man role. There is just too much to like about him to toss him aside.

    Rollingwave, I agree that one has to question whether Paul is over-rated :o Yup, I said it. He has played on teams with enough talent that, if he is as good as perceived, should have accomplished more. Technically, they are in 5th place in the West right now on a team with loads of talent. I'm not saying he isn't a great PG, but that raises concerns for me. Let's see how this year goes, but right now I'm on the fence and leaning...

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    Blake Griffin this year so far has gotten better in every advanced statscategoryfrom his rookie year , granted it's not a huge jump, but he started off from a point where he was already a star caliber player. where do you see him jumping to? he's 7th in WS/48 and 8th in total win share, there is 3 players in the entire league that'ssignificantlybetter than that, and one of them is his teammate. I think if your blaming Griffin for only being the best PF in the league, and not an other worldly one, is a pretty big problem given that he's basically better than Wade / Westbrook this year. or at least about the same (his RSPM is #9 as well.)

    Lebron left because Cleveland couldn't pay him, and couldn't put a good enough team around him, he still single handedly brought the team into the finals once and the conference finals several other times. and I think it's safe to say that non of those Cleveland team had players even remotely comparableto David West / Tyson Chandler / Blake Griffin . And quite frankly there's no way that LA can't pay him,

    I still say the #1 issue is the coach on the Clippers as they don't have a clear plan past "let Chris Paul run whatever he wants" , but at the end of the day, it is very rare for aunanimoustop 10 player to never gotten past the 2nd round in 7 season, let alone a top 5 one. and really, again, you can NOT say that Chris Paul never had good teammates.

    Do I want him on the Rockets in avacuum? YES! I'm just pointing out that I think he's gotten a lot more pass so far his career than I think is justified.

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    Definitely agree that Chris Paul is the key guy for the opposing teams to shut down in the playoffs. However, if Billups can get healthy enough to be a factor in the playoffs, I wouldn't necessarily count the Clippers getting knocked out in the first round. And wouldn't Chris Paul look great in Rockets red starting next season!!

    Billups is great...when he's available. It is just, he isn't getting any younger and already 36, and in the last THREE nba seasons, he has only played like 20 games each time. That is it. So he's around for 1/4 of a season for 3 seasons in a row, and is 36 lol.

    CP3 in a Rockets uniform would be amazing. I would be sad that that most likely means we have to move Lin though...Lin is such a good team member and hard worker. You can see his improvements (April he's like 40% from 3 pt range, 19 pts a game and 9 assists a game!) as the season goes on. A full summer of training? Man...

  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    If you watch games, you can see Blake is not at anywhere near the star level that CP3 is. If teams double CP3, Blake (or anyone else on that team for that matter) can't do much about it. Blake's stats are good, but they've been essentially stagnant since his "rookie" yr. CP3 is a maestro on the court...just watching him play is like omg. Forget stats; some PGs have seemingly better stats, but no way in hell would I take them OVER CP3.

    Definitely agree that Chris Paul is the key guy for the opposing teams to shut down in the playoffs. However, if Billups can get healthy enough to be a factor in the playoffs, I wouldn't necessarily count the Clippers getting knocked out in the first round. And wouldn't Chris Paul look great in Rockets red starting next season!!
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    If you watch games, you can see Blake is not at anywhere near the star level that CP3 is. If teams double CP3, Blake (or anyone else on that team for that matter) can't do much about it. Blake's stats are good, but they've been essentially stagnant since his "rookie" yr. CP3 is a maestro on the court...just watching him play is like omg. Forget stats; some PGs have seemingly better stats, but no way in hell would I take them OVER CP3.

  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago

    I don't think Cp3 leaving will knock him down, I don't think Lebron leaving knocked him down, I never understood that argument. I can't think of a single retired player where people say "he would be been ranked higher if he didn't leave that team".

    Agreed. No one will remember that you left. They only remember that you didn't win a ring. To that end, it's smarter to leave (if the money isn't a factor, which it usually is.)

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    I don't think Cp3 leaving will knock him down, I don't think Lebron leaving knocked him down, I never understood that argument. I can't think of a single retired player where people say "he would be been ranked higher if he didn't leave that team".

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    I don't see Paul leaving, he runs that team, the team can pay him, and he's bailing first? that would certainly knock him a huge peg down on most people's books. probably including his own. so I don't see that. I also don't see the hate on Blake Griffin, he's put up 20 PER and .200 WS /48, if your going to doubt stats, why not doubt the guy who put up godlike stats but never won a game past the first round after this rookie season?

    It is true that things aligned a lot more than expected this year, also helps that the Laker's circus imploded, Dirk wasn't healthy and the entire T-Wolf team was also hurt.

    I also agree that McHale should be on most ballot, not the first choice, but certainly on the later ballots, he took a team that came together on opening day, with no one who was a full time starter last year, and half of the team played in the D League at some point in the last 2 year, into the playoffs, that's insane.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago It's in order to try to keep teams at the end of the year from tanking games to play the worse team.
  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Can't drop to 6th? If you were in a division that was reaaaaally weak.

    Well, I guess that was a bit obvious, my bad :D it seems logical

  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    I know about the rule, but what's the upside of being 4th no matter what if you don't have the homecourt advantage?

    Can't drop to 6th? If you were in a division that was reaaaaally weak.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    I agree with everything. Rahat was doing his The Rock impersonation, "Finally, The Rockets has come back to the playoffs." CP3 in The Ketchup and Mustard is looking like it might have a chance. The Clippers can't fall out of the 4 seed. They won their division and no matter what their record they have to remain a top 4 seed. Memphis will have home court tho.

    I know about the rule, but what's the upside of being 4th no matter what if you don't have the homecourt advantage?

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    Bleacherreport said that the rocket's LVP was DMo. I thought that was funny with several other guys like Royce available.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    This is the best way tosplit the minutes in the playoffs imo:

    Asik 38 minutes (probably the most he can handle without dying) -- Greg Smith 10 minutes

    Greg Smith19 minutes -- Terrence Jones29 minutes

    Parsons 42 minutes --Harden 6 minutes

    Harden37 minutes --Lin11 minutes

    Lin 32 minutes -- Beverley 16 minutes

    Garcia, Delfinoand D-Mo might get some minutes but it won't make a huge difference. The only non-starters I care about getting significant minutes are T-Jones and Beverley, unless we're struggling to score andreally need floor spacing then play Delfino or D-Mo at the 4. I definately want to see that Lin/Beverley back-court while Harden rests or backs-up Parsons at SF because Linisa better SG thanDelfino and Garcia both offensively and defensively(sad but true).

    I love it. I wish McHale see your post. No Joke. I am serious.

    Don't worry for Asik, he always surprise us. You know what, he started showing off with his good long jumpers.

    Yep, either Harden or Lin must be on court at any give seconds.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    I was frustrated with McHale' rotation. But he surprised me with inserting Smith, good use of TJones, and aggressive Harden-Lin-Bev combo. After we got Parsons back, I even want to see Asik/Parsons/Harden/Lin/Bev lineup.

    We are underdog and can't go with conventional way. McHale must be creative and surprise opponent with new looks. To be honest, I don't know how though. :D

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    This is the best way tosplit the minutes in the playoffs imo:

    Asik 38 minutes (probably the most he can handle without dying) -- Greg Smith 10 minutes

    Greg Smith19 minutes -- Terrence Jones29 minutes

    Parsons 42 minutes --Harden 6 minutes

    Harden37 minutes --Lin11 minutes

    Lin 32 minutes -- Beverley 16 minutes

    Garcia, Delfinoand D-Mo might get some minutes but it won't make a huge difference. The only non-starters I care about getting significant minutes are T-Jones and Beverley, unless we're struggling to score andreally need floor spacing then play Delfino or D-Mo at the 4. I definately want to see that Lin/Beverley back-court while Harden rests or backs-up Parsons at SF because Linisa better SG thanDelfino and Garcia both offensively and defensively(sad but true).

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Depending on foul trouble, it wouldn't surprise me if Greg Smith becomes the backup C. Have a big man rotation of: Asik, Smith and Jones, LLC. Garcia has played well lately so he might be the backup wing with Beverly the backup point. A nice 8 man rotation for the Rockets. Harden is going to play 42+ minutes. So that leaves 198 minutes to be split among the other 7.
  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    Since we are in playoff officially, do you guys have any thoughts on rotation.

    I saw McHale testing with Harden/Lin/Bev combination lately but only got a mixed result.

    TJones was playing well and hope he won't dip like D-Mo. Garcia vs. Delfino. Who is backup C?

    Any thoughts?

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago I agree with everything. Rahat was doing his The Rock impersonation, "Finally, The Rockets has come back to the playoffs." CP3 in The Ketchup and Mustard is looking like it might have a chance. The Clippers can't fall out of the 4 seed. They won their division and no matter what their record they have to remain a top 4 seed. Memphis will have home court tho.

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