Houston Rockets turn attention to Chris Bosh, face serious prospect of leaving empty-handed

What a bizarre, bizarre free agency it has been, even in the wake of a summer that saw Dwight Howard claim he had received divine inspiration during a weekend retreat to Aspen steering him toward the Houston Rockets.  When we last left off, the team had lost Kyle Lowry to the homecourt Raptors, lost serious momentum in the Carmelo Anthony chase, and put in a call to the agent of the game’s greatest player.  Now it seems the Houston Rockets have fully turned their attention toward one Christopher Bosh, with sources indicating they had “intensified their pursuit” of the All-Star power forward.  If you’re thinking this story seems vaguely familiar, your memory has served correct – the last go-around involved an iPad.

Initially, we must address the very real prospect of leaving these talks empty-handed altogether.  Two points, the latter more irritating than the first.  1) Many of you have asked me or even suggested the team focus upon building its bench first before pursuing a star, possibly holding out until 2016 when Kevin Durant hits the market.  Realize that if they want to keep Chandler Parsons or make use of their exceptions, this summer is literally it.  The anticipated cap increases should comfortably absorb Dwight Howard and James Harden’s expected annual raises, but after that, any other real spending makes big room in the future prohibitive.  2) More frustrating is this false belief in the wake of the Finals that a supposed team of role-players is somehow a superior model of team-building in this post modern NBA.  The thinking usually goes something like this, “I’m tired of star-chasing every summer.  Didn’t we learn anything from the Finals?  We need to build a good bench and develop our own players like the Spurs did.”  If one can’t truly understand how superbly anomalous that Spurs team was, in the face of the last twenty years of modern NBA history, there’s little I can do to help.

I’m wary of giving in to hyperbole–(who am I kidding, I love hyperbole)–but leaving this summer empty-handed would be near catastrophic.  The Rockets have recovered quite well from other natural disasters (see: “basketball reasons”), so even the worst catastrophe perhaps cannot be classified as such, but you get the gist.  It would be a tough pill to swallow.  Still, the spirit of the plan cannot be faulted – it simply made sense to cash in on this summer with so many of the top free agents hitting the market.  And no doubt there are various contingencies yet to be enacted.  A Kevin Love trade should not outright be ruled out.  But the dream of building a really, really “super team” by adding a like-totally badass guy and also keeping Chandler Parsons would be gone.  With Kyle Lowry gone, Carmelo Anthony likely having played us, and the real possibility this Bosh news is posturing, those odds have shot up dramatically.  We never really had a chance with ‘Bron to begin with.

What to make of the notion that “had they thought they’d have a chance”, Chris Bosh and Dirk Nowitzki would have been Houston’s first targets in free agency, as claimed in the Stein piece?  I don’t know.  To be sure, Bosh is essentially the tailor-made fit for the Rockets’ outfit.  But perhaps I’ve convinced myself too deeply of what Anthony’s tantalizing offensive abilities could bring to extract sincerity from that statement.  Maybe its true.  Maybe its saving face in the pursuit of a guy who is now your top target after he wasn’t.  Who knows?

On that note, I don’t think I have to spell out the merits of a Bosh signing.  If one were to envision a big man duo constructed in the heavens to bring good and justice to the world, it would look like Dwight Howard and Chris Bosh.  (Who are we kidding – it would be Shaq and Kevin Garnett.  But that sounded good and I wanted to use it).  Bosh would bring the floor-spacing, rim protection, pick and roll defense, and championship moxy that would allow Houston to realistically look the Thunder in the eye with their lineup.  He’s the perfect fit and fills every hole this team had been missing.  Though a part of me can’t help but feel underwhelmed by adding a role-player when I felt an alpha-dog was needed.  Other parts of me know this team would have thrashed the Blazers with Bosh in tow.

What will happen?  Anthony appears to have never been too interested.  And this recent surge of news surrounding James seems a bit too calculated.  Are we really to believe The King is going to tie his future to that dreadful Cavs team?  Matt Moore had a great tweet yesterday that pretty much summed up the internet and free agency:

And that’s how things have gone really, right from the get-go, with the narrative shifting drastically day to day upon each of these meetings.  The agents for whomever, say Anthony, after each city, put in a call to everyone and that team shifts to the forefront.  Anthony caroused late into the night with Bulls players, spent six hours with Rockets officials over steak dinner (when only two were expected) stepping aside to have a private chat with H&H; he left the Knicks meeting in sync with that management’s vision of the future (whatever that may be, god help them), and then felt very high on the Lakers (curiously after Knicks officials made it known they were weary of giving him the max).  Only Dallas really never got its time in the sun and so at least for that, we can rejoice.  Who likes anything good to happen to Dallas?

James is set to meet with Riley later this week and then the dominoes could fall.  Would Chris Bosh, so amicably labeled as “Lebron James’ lap dop” by Stan Van Gundy four summers ago, really jump ship before James’ decision?  I highly doubt it.  But we’ll see.  At this point, there’s no use even trying to guess what may happen.

 

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  • YaoMan says 2 months ago

    @Yaoman

    I am of the opinion that sometimes too much leverage is given to players past and the narrative attributed to them when normally every players arc or career path is much more nuanced than most fans remember. One of the biggest negatives about Dwight last year was his attitude but his attitude has been nothing but a net gain by all accounts. The drawbacks about Anthony's attitude are overblown in my estimation furthermore he is probably at the age where he is ready to change his approach some, his mental peak as I like to refer to it.

    With regards to his isolation play I would point out he has never played with someone of Dwight or Harden's caliber. In my opinion all isolation plays are not equal.

    Very valid points but I've also never seen Dwight Howard (even in a Laker uniform) given up on a play like I have seen Melo "mail it in" a few times in NY this past season. That aside, I watched him in a winning situation in Denver and forced them to gut the NY team so he could play in under the bright lights in the big apple only to be in a worse position that he was in Denver. (He had a good thing with Billups there.)

    There's also no indication that he would change his tune here either, whether overblown or not, they were a distraction to both Den and NY. Again no denying his talents as you alluded to his iso plays because he is one of the most talented scorers. But it is in my opinion that only a certain type of catered roster can lead Melo's style of ball to the finals (ala Iverson when he had the perfect compliment of players in Philly).

    While I'm not leveraging it completely, I was merely saying that the blending of talents, on paper and with the eye test, would be better suited for a Chris Bosh. Behind James, Melo and Love, he's the best available player out there. He isn't that far removed from putting up 20 and 10 on a team where he was the main man. And he wouldn't negate any of Harden's abilities either (overlap in abilities).

    Having said all that, I do believe if Melo came to the Rockets, the team leaps up there with OKC and SA for contender. I don't disagree with that. Just not that enamored with that combination like Rahat is. I still think teamwork trumps individual talent. Before anyone pulls in the no one can be like San Antonio, having Bosh, Howard, Harden and Parsons would give you enormous talent and arguably as good as any team but with possibly more of a cohesive team unit than with Anthony. I think the fans or management would be happy with either one of them. I just think Bosh would be more of a team player and be a bigger upgrade on defense - I think he's (Bosh) far underrated in that department.

  • Freebird says 2 months ago

    Because Miami can't get rid of Wade. Miami is going to make Wade whole because he chose to Opt Out for the good of the team. Miami is going to pay Wade just on principle, even if he never plays more than 60 games a year for the next 3 years. If Melo want to play with James, and Bosh wants to play with James, a choice will have to be made. The 3 of them cannot play together, due to the money required. It sounds like LeBron chose Melo, which means that Bosh is stuck without a date to the prom.

    I dunno. They won 2/4 with Bosh. I mean, grass is always greener, but a proven commodity is, well, proven. They know what they have in Bosh, and it has worked.

    On the flipside, I think WE can be that prom date! Well, unless Melo wants us. Or LBJ. It's all so confusing. :P

  • CT for Three says 2 months ago

    Stephen A was claiming this morning that the "Big 3" was originally supposed to be Melo instead of Bosh. Melo went for a guaranteed contract (aka - "money"), and the rest is history. If LBJ and Melo are again interested in playing together, why drop Bosh outta the mix instead of Wade? Wade is done, and we all saw it. Just saying.

    Because Miami can't get rid of Wade. Miami is going to make Wade whole because he chose to Opt Out for the good of the team. Miami is going to pay Wade just on principle, even if he never plays more than 60 games a year for the next 3 years. If Melo want to play with James, and Bosh wants to play with James, a choice will have to be made. The 3 of them cannot play together, due to the money required. It sounds like LeBron chose Melo, which means that Bosh is stuck without a date to the prom.

  • Freebird says 2 months ago

    With the new info that ESPN is reporting:

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11194988/carmelo-anthony-waiting-lebron-james-decision-choosing-team

    If this story is true (which is highly likely and predictable), then it means Melo and LeBron DEFINITELY have a plan to play together in motion. From Melo's perspective, there would be no other reason to wait. and if Melo and LeBron have a plan to play together, there are only 1 or 2 places they can do it, feasibly: Miami or LA. They both might have to take a decent pay cut to play in LA, so my guess is that they have a plan to get Melo in Miami.

    If my logic holds true, then that means LeBron and Bosh do not have a working plan to play together, which means LeBron is waiting (and hoping) that Bosh comes to Houston. Doesn't that mean Bosh has to come to Houston now? If he clings to LeBron, then the Melo/Bron plan falls apart. none of them will ever admit this, but this has to be the plan. If Bosh doesn't know already, I feel bad for him. He is being used as a chess piece by Melo/Bron, and is oblivious to it, like a nerd in a prototypical high school romance movie.

    Stephen A was claiming this morning that the "Big 3" was originally supposed to be Melo instead of Bosh. Melo went for a guaranteed contract (aka - "money"), and the rest is history. If LBJ and Melo are again interested in playing together, why drop Bosh outta the mix instead of Wade? Wade is done, and we all saw it. Just saying.

  • rocketrick says 2 months ago

    I want Melo more than bosh for the sole reason being Id rather have a Melo ISO at the end of the game than a Harden one, especially since a lot of refs swallow the whistle at the end. Plus Hardens two biggest series of his career (2012 Finals and 2014 against Portland) were not great. Having a top 10 SF all time would alleviate pressure off of Harden.


    Get over it, Carmelo Anthony is not joining the Houston Rockets this season or anytime soon thereafter.
  • CT for Three says 2 months ago

    With the new info that ESPN is reporting:

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11194988/carmelo-anthony-waiting-lebron-james-decision-choosing-team

    If this story is true (which is highly likely and predictable), then it means Melo and LeBron DEFINITELY have a plan to play together in motion. From Melo's perspective, there would be no other reason to wait. and if Melo and LeBron have a plan to play together, there are only 1 or 2 places they can do it, feasibly: Miami or LA. They both might have to take a decent pay cut to play in LA, so my guess is that they have a plan to get Melo in Miami.

    If my logic holds true, then that means LeBron and Bosh do not have a working plan to play together, which means LeBron is waiting (and hoping) that Bosh comes to Houston. Doesn't that mean Bosh has to come to Houston now? If he clings to LeBron, then the Melo/Bron plan falls apart. none of them will ever admit this, but this has to be the plan. If Bosh doesn't know already, I feel bad for him. He is being used as a chess piece by Melo/Bron, and is oblivious to it, like a nerd in a prototypical high school romance movie.

  • uojoe82 says 2 months ago

    One thing to consider about Bosh; in the Eastern conference he's a lock to make the All- Star team for the next 2-3 years

    In the West? Probably Not.

    Given that Love, Griffin, Aldridge, Howard, Davis are all going to get the spots for the PF/C spots it's going to be very unlikely that Bosh will be an All-Star with Houston. Thats not even considering Nowitzki and Boogie Cousins who consistently puts up 20 and 10.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago I want Melo more than bosh for the sole reason being Id rather have a Melo ISO at the end of the game than a Harden one, especially since a lot of refs swallow the whistle at the end. Plus Hardens two biggest series of his career (2012 Finals and 2014 against Portland) were not great. Having a top 10 SF all time would alleviate pressure off of Harden.
  • txtdo1411 says 2 months ago

    @Yaoman

    I am of the opinion that sometimes too much leverage is given to players past and the narrative attributed to them when normally every players arc or career path is much more nuanced than most fans remember. One of the biggest negatives about Dwight last year was his attitude but his attitude has been nothing but a net gain by all accounts. The drawbacks about Anthony's attitude are overblown in my estimation furthermore he is probably at the age where he is ready to change his approach some, his mental peak as I like to refer to it.

    With regards to his isolation play I would point out he has never played with someone of Dwight or Harden's caliber. In my opinion all isolation plays are not equal.

    I thought Carmelo's attitude was overblown as well, but if his top 2 destinations are really LA and NYK, then I must believe his attitude is still pretty poor. Or at least he isn't only concerned with winning like he said he was, and most star players at his age. There is absolutely no way he can genuinely believe those 2 destinations give him the best opportunity to win. He must care about fame and stardom more than championships and winning. I'm not saying Houston gives him the best opportunity, but I know for damn sure it isn't the Lakers or Knicks.

  • feelingsupersonic says 2 months ago @Yaoman

    I am of the opinion that sometimes too much leverage is given to players past and the narrative attributed to them when normally every players arc or career path is much more nuanced than most fans remember. One of the biggest negatives about Dwight last year was his attitude but his attitude has been nothing but a net gain by all accounts. The drawbacks about Anthony's attitude are overblown in my estimation furthermore he is probably at the age where he is ready to change his approach some, his mental peak as I like to refer to it.

    With regards to his isolation play I would point out he has never played with someone of Dwight or Harden's caliber. In my opinion all isolation plays are not equal.
  • YaoMan says 2 months ago

    Because our defense sucks overall anyway, adding another exceptional offsensive weapon in Melo is miles ahead of an average offensive / "above" average defensive player in Bosh.

    The argument has been that Bosh "fits", spreading the floor, allowing him to play at his best...I can say the same about Melo, except Melo is unquestionably better.

    So if we're going to give a max contract either way, Melo's return on value is significantly greater.

    But this is slowly becoming a moot point as it doesn't seem Melo is even considering coming to Houston.

    I think you might have missed the context of my comment. I just said that Rahat has great point about his talent and skills. That's not in question. The question was about his ego-centric persona and the chemistry issues he has had in both Denver and NY. He likes the glitz and glamor and has even said in public about playing in the bright lights which would mean that he likes to be the focus of the attention. He has also made it clear he likes the isolation style basketball that Woodson would cater to. In Rahat's podcasts, he has mentioned plenty of times how great Melo is in a catch and shoot and how dominant he is in the triple threat against other PFs, which I completely agree with. The problem lies that he has never played as a catch and shoot player (ala Ray Allen, Reggie Miller) in his career, high school, college or pros. And putting him in the triple threat reduces many of the advantages of James Harden's dribble drive ability and drawing fouls capability.

    Bosh has never had the luxury of playing with a quality center so adding him to the front line with Parsons would really give you one of the most formidable front lines both ways. Saying that we are not great on defensively so lets just add more offense never works. The Suns tried that for years and always got bounced by, none other than the great defensive team that is the Spurs. Again that's not even my argument - I think Melo is a much greater player than Bosh but scoring is not the Rockets' weakness. Bosh would add a more rim protection and add more versatility to the line up. He also knows how championships are won, having been there 4 times and collecting 2 trophies. There is value to that as well.

    I'm just questioning why Rahat loves that idea more than anything else, not that it's not a good option.

  • Cooper says 2 months ago If the heat are just going to use there exceptions to add mcbob and granger, they shouldn't be asking any of the big three to take a paycut and if I'm one of them I'd be a bit offended if they tried to push that on me because it wouldn't even be about making the team better it's just saving Arison a few bucks when he's already raking in cash.
  • melvimbe says 2 months ago

    I agree that Boshis the lesser talent compared to Melo, but as already stated, not a high probability. I do thing Bosh is a good fit here, but more then that, I don't recall Bosh every having the opportunity to play along with an above average center. He has always been the primary focus on his inside game, and I think we could see even better output from him when Dwight is on the floor as well.

    I also think there is some merit to the thought that LeBron secretly wishes Bosh would bolt for Houston before he has to make a decision. That opens up the oppurtunity for Melo to come to Miami or he can just go back to Cleveland. Either way, it won't be his fault if he doesn't get another ring, as it will clearly be because he didn't have the right supporting cast.

    I almost feel like Bosh is being cheated here. I get the whole concept of team players take pay cuts, but at the same time, he deserves what he can get on the open market. Bosh doesn't owe anything to Miami, and the idea that he take a pay cut so LeBron so he takes a raise is insulting. Fans may consider him a traitor if he leaves Miami, but can opting to take the highest salary you can get, especially to a team that could very well be a better team, and playing a role that better suits your skills ...shoudn't be considered a selfish act, IMO.

  • kdo says 2 months ago

    Yeah I'm still not sure why Rahat is so enamored with Carmelo joining this team. I mean he has a lot of great points but talent also needs the right chemistry and mentality which I don't think Melo would be able to bring to this team as constructed. Rahat envisions Melo being a catch and shoot player but frankly, that is not what Melo is. He is ball dominant and like to operate in the triple threat already having the ball. He's really not a guy who runs through a curl or multiple screens or slides to the elbow 3s for Harden to drive and dish to or for Howard to post and dish to.

    Because our defense sucks overall anyway, adding another exceptional offsensive weapon in Melo is miles ahead of an average offensive / "above" average defensive player in Bosh.

    The argument has been that Bosh "fits", spreading the floor, allowing him to play at his best...I can say the same about Melo, except Melo is unquestionably better.

    So if we're going to give a max contract either way, Melo's return on value is significantly greater.

    But this is slowly becoming a moot point as it doesn't seem Melo is even considering coming to Houston.

  • YaoMan says 2 months ago

    It would be a step down for the Heat to take Melo over Bosh.

    Bosh is a legit defender. Wade is a shell which is showing itself defensively. A weaker Wade and a poor defender in Melo makes Miami's defense a catastrophe. If Lebron does that I will forever question his IQ.

    Yeah I'm still not sure why Rahat is so enamored with Carmelo joining this team. I mean he has a lot of great points but talent also needs the right chemistry and mentality which I don't think Melo would be able to bring to this team as constructed. Rahat envisions Melo being a catch and shoot player but frankly, that is not what Melo is. He is ball dominant and like to operate in the triple threat already having the ball. He's really not a guy who runs through a curl or multiple screens or slides to the elbow 3s for Harden to drive and dish to or for Howard to post and dish to.

  • YaoMan says 2 months ago

    I hear that, and I completely agree that adding Bosh would make the Rockets a much better team. I'm guess I'm just shocked because my most recent memory of him is his no-show at the NBA Finals.

    In those three losses to San Antonio, Bosh's stats were 37.3 MPG, 11.3 pts, 4.3 rbds, 0.6 assists, and 0.0 blocks, he was outplayed by 40-year old Tim Duncan and posterized by Manu Ginobili. I realize that the Heat don't run many plays for Bosh, but damn, those are Jeremy Lin numbers (without the assists) in the most important games of the season, and we can't give Lin away.

    3 losses? Did you mean 4 losses? Anyhow 14 pts, 5.2 reb 1 asst average in the playoffs isn't bad but it isn't good either. That's more of a role player box score. I mean, that's Chandler Parsons except Parsons would have more assists. I think you have to look at it as a whole.

    First of all, he's an important piece of the puzzle that got them to the finals 4 straight times. Can he still score 20 and pull 10? If he was the main man on a team, I think he could be close. So production value is not as easy to judge on a team with James and Wade (and Allen who was a big 3 from the Celtics team).

    Second, he does defend a whole league better than Terence Jones. He understands positioning, when to trap on a pick and roll and how to use his body to bother post players and can block shots as well. His value would be where he can space the floor and shoot long jumpers and give Harden and Howard room to operate and play solid defense.

    Third, the Heat had no center so Bosh wasn't often playing out of position when Andersen wasn't clubbing someone. He will get a big relief when he doesn't have to bang against the bigs of opposing team with minimal help. With Dwight beside him, he can definitely give LMA all he could handle and would have the foot speed to guard him as well.

    Bosh can relief Howard at the 5 for stretches and has a universe of offense better than Asik so the offensive production wouldn't drop much if Howard sits. He has a post game, a good jumper from mid to long range and shoots 80% from the FT line.

    Do I think this value warrants offering him Max dollars? I say no. But if he is the missing ingredient to get to the finals, then I say you fork it out and make it happen. Harden, Bosh, and Howard with Parsons, Bev, Jones, and a couple of free agent specialist can make a push for the finals. Unless Popovich and his coaching staff are jumping cross state for the Houston job, I think you take the risk and pay him the money.

    Speaking of which, I'm still not convinced of McHale's coaching. Bill Simmons put it best when he said that San Antonio (as do all champs) get some luck with Lillard miracle 3 that allowed SA to avoid Houston. He added that he felt the coaching in the 4th quarter of Rox was non-existent against the Blazers. To paraphrase, he said something to the effect that Houston was playing street-ball after they had a lead in the 4th quarter...

  • SadLakerFan says 2 months ago

    Yes he is a max player. Simple reason, the Rockets are offering him the max. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

    I hear that, and I completely agree that adding Bosh would make the Rockets a much better team. I'm guess I'm just shocked because my most recent memory of him is his no-show at the NBA Finals.

    In those three losses to San Antonio, Bosh's stats were 37.3 MPG, 11.3 pts, 4.3 rbds, 0.6 assists, and 0.0 blocks, he was outplayed by 40-year old Tim Duncan and posterized by Manu Ginobili. I realize that the Heat don't run many plays for Bosh, but damn, those are Jeremy Lin numbers (without the assists) in the most important games of the season, and we can't give Lin away.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago It would be a step down for the Heat to take Melo over Bosh.

    Bosh is a legit defender. Wade is a shell which is showing itself defensively. A weaker Wade and a poor defender in Melo makes Miami's defense a catastrophe. If Lebron does that I will forever question his IQ.
  • kdo says 2 months ago

    Interesting. If that means we get Bosh, then I'm all for it. But talk about a vicious circle - Melo waiting on Bosh waiting on LeBron waiting on Riley waiting on Melo.

    Yikes.

    If this is really what's going on (admittedly one of many speculations), then it speaks volumes to their characters...or lack thereof.

    You would think after all the money, the family, and the experiences, that at least one of them would be mature enough to be straight up with each other.

    The alternative would be that they all did talk to each other and have already planned out their destinations, and are simply colluding to maximize each other's potential contracts. Think about it, if any one of them made early deals, do you think all the max contract conversations we hear about would have come to fruition? Maybe, but I'm willing to bet it wouldn't have been as high.

    Either way, they will never be in the same (character) class as players like Nowitzki or Duncan.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago Why don't they all go to Philly? Bosh would have to take around 15 for the first year but they could trade one of their assets for somebody to take on Young and Richardson. They could have a good team in
    PG = MCW
    SG = Lebron
    SF = Melo
    PF = Bosh
    C = Noel
    6th man = Embiid

    Plus they have Saric overseas. I don't see why that wouldn't work.
  • Freebird says 2 months ago

    Marc Stein had an interesting take:

    Popular question raised by last five teams I've talked to: Is Melo holding out in hopes Bosh goes to Houston so he can join LeBron in Miami?

    Interesting. If that means we get Bosh, then I'm all for it. But talk about a vicious circle - Melo waiting on Bosh waiting on LeBron waiting on Riley waiting on Melo.

    Yikes.

  • majik19 says 2 months ago

    Bosh seems more and more likely to be the first domino, before any other major signings decide to move forward.

    Marc Stein had an interesting take:

    Popular question raised by last five teams I've talked to: Is Melo holding out in hopes Bosh goes to Houston so he can join LeBron in Miami?

  • kdo says 2 months ago

    Bosh seems more and more likely to be the first domino, before any other major signings decide to move forward.

  • feelingsupersonic says 2 months ago Paying Bosh the current maximum contract won't be much of an expense once the new TV/media bidding war between FOX and ESPN goes down and team salary caps skyrocket. Right now is the perfect time to offer star players maximum salaries.
  • txtdo1411 says 2 months ago

    This has been a strange free agency. A whole lot is happening without anything actually happening. All the top guys are waiting for each other to decide, so it is getting extremely drawn out. I hope Bosh decides to go ahead and take the money along with the prospect of winning and comes to Houston. With Bosh in tow, we become better in every aspect. Defensively he is leaps and bounds ahead of Jones, and also has the outside shot to spread the floor. That being said I do agree with JG that no matter what happens, we should be a better team. Even if we do miss on Bosh, it's not like we have to look forward to another 42-40 season. These are still good times, and no matter what happens, we should still be in the mix in the West... Granted there are about 6 teams in the West that could say the have a chance.

  • Alituro says 2 months ago

    Bosh and James know that without someone like Popovich making the best of what they have, they will not win another Champ in Miami without a "Big 3" scenario in place. With Wade's recent fall from grace, they've been reduced to a "Big 2.5". It's not going to cut it. So, they opt out of their contract to give Riley the room he needs to bring in another big name, and then the other 3 fill in the gaps with the contracts they resign, and Wade probably taking a cut in the interest of more rings. A "Big 3.5" if you will. If Riley is unable to make it happen, then Bosh and James go their separate ways, and Wade retires with the Heat, or rides one of their coattails, probably the former.

    I see Bosh coming to Houston if Miami doesn't get another star. He is able to insert hisself directly into another Big 3 scenario, instantly, and earn max money. The impact he makes on this roster would definitely make it worth Les' money. If Riley doesn't get that guy, then I see James in Cleveland with Irving, Waiters, and Possibly Wiggins or Love.

  • rocketrick says 2 months ago

    Thanks for the sanity check, JG.

    Much needed!

    Even if the Rockets strike out on LeBron (remotest of remote possilities he would come to Houston), Carmelo (best fit is Chicago but he probably goes back to Phil Jackson and the Knicks) and Bosh (strong possibility of remaining in Miami but they will have to pay him more than they desired going into free agency I believe to keep him)...........there are plenty of Plan B and Plan C options that can improve our roster. Certainly not to the extent some or all of the above could.

    Channing Frye is still available and although not as strong defensively can rebound and shoot the ball from the 3 point line. Ekpe Udoh can probably be signed cheap as D12's backup. Plenty of other free agents that seemingly are pretty much on hold while everyone holds their breath to see what LeBron and Carmelo end up deciding.

    These things take time. It's very difficult to be patient. Might be wise for some of us to check out for a day or two but on the other hand, I wouldn't want to miss the next big announcement either! What a crazy summer it is turning out to be............


    I spoke too soon...........

    Channing Frye is now off the table as Wojnarowski at Yahoo just reported Frye is headed to Orlando and a 4 year, $32 million contract.
  • rocketrick says 2 months ago

    So much worry :unsure:

    I'm actually quite comfortable with everything and would be fine heading into next season with, more or less, the same roster as last season.

    First, TTDN, Alexander has repeatedly stated the lux. tax is not an issue as long as we are fielding a contending team. Only Lin-iacs come around saying otherwise while pointing to his record of avoiding the tax....in all the years we weren't contenders.

    People need to remember, the accounting being done here is high-end corporate accounting. They know what to do with money and how to obscure it. If the Rockets are showing a $40M profit then rest assured, there is more money than that floating around.

    The Milwaukee Bucks sold for $550M and, on paper, don't earn money. Think about that when you worry about the owners' bottom lines. Don't fall for fancy accounting. People don't spend $550M on companies that don't turn a profit.

    Rahat's observation that this is the Summer to make our move is true. Of course, this overlooks one key element of the equation: Morey.

    First, never rule out some out-of-left-field trades. However, there are other avenues.

    Parsons, while so many are terrified of him screwing the team for a payday, is not going to do that. (again, if he does then good riddance--it's not the end of the world).

    Let's say that we don't lure a single big time free agent. Parsons, who will still have not signed an offer sheet (we all do remember he has to SIGN one for it to matter), can sign a one-year-over-valued contract with us. It's a win-win. What if Morey signs him for $15M for one year? Yes, it is an overpay, but it is a very smart move. Parsons gets his reward, he becomes a valuable trade chip if we decide to move him by helping match salary, and at the end of next season we are right back where we are now--bird rights in hand.

    No, the sky isn't falling. Whether it be Bosh, Melo, Plan D or nothing at all we are fine moving forward because Morey keeps one eye on the present and another on the future. Like a good poker player, he doesn't get on tilt if things aren't going his way. There are no panic moves. Everything is fine.


    Thanks for the sanity check, JG.

    Much needed!

    Even if the Rockets strike out on LeBron (remotest of remote possilities he would come to Houston), Carmelo (best fit is Chicago but he probably goes back to Phil Jackson and the Knicks) and Bosh (strong possibility of remaining in Miami but they will have to pay him more than they desired going into free agency I believe to keep him)...........there are plenty of Plan B and Plan C options that can improve our roster. Certainly not to the extent some or all of the above could.

    Channing Frye is still available and although not as strong defensively can rebound and shoot the ball from the 3 point line. Ekpe Udoh can probably be signed cheap as D12's backup. Plenty of other free agents that seemingly are pretty much on hold while everyone holds their breath to see what LeBron and Carmelo end up deciding.

    These things take time. It's very difficult to be patient. Might be wise for some of us to check out for a day or two but on the other hand, I wouldn't want to miss the next big announcement either! What a crazy summer it is turning out to be............
  • thejohnnygold says 2 months ago

    I'm an accountant sitting for my CPA so I know a thing or two about accounting. I also know a little about human nature and it's easy to say something and quite another thing to actually do it. Look at Miami shipping out Mike Miller and Joel Anthony while refusing to use the Mid level. I don't think I should be considered a Lin-iac if I have to see it to believe it.

    Was not saying you are a Lin-iac....was simply referring to the many previous posts we have had stating Les won't go over the cap. Why would he publicly state it if he didn't intend to do it--just makes him look bad.

    As an accountant you should know that $40M figure is but a shadow of the actual money Alexander gets from owning the team.

    Comparing Miami to Houston just doesn't seem relevant at all to me.

    If you want to sit and worry then go ahead--that's your prerogative. Nothing happens with Parsons for at least 3 more days....

  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago Then Lin is worth his contract Steven. I'm glad you've come around.
  • Steven says 2 months ago

    Bosh will make the Rockets much better, but jeeezzz, is he really a max player? I know everything says that he should be, and he's "sacrificing" to play with Lebron and Wade, but the guy just vanished in the last two NBA finals.


    Yes he is a max player. Simple reason, the Rockets are offering him the max. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.
  • Cooper says 2 months ago

    Bosh will make the Rockets much better, but jeeezzz, is he really a max player? I know everything says that he should be, and he's "sacrificing" to play with Lebron and Wade, but the guy just vanished in the last two NBA finals.

    probably going to regret year four of his contract but if you get a finals appearance out of if hard to pass up on, not a lot of impact guys availible.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago I'm an accountant sitting for my CPA so I know a thing or two about accounting. I also know a little about human nature and it's easy to say something and quite another thing to actually do it. Look at Miami shipping out Mike Miller and Joel Anthony while refusing to use the Mid level. I don't think I should be considered a Lin-iac if I have to see it to believe it.
  • SadLakerFan says 2 months ago

    Bosh will make the Rockets much better, but jeeezzz, is he really a max player? I know everything says that he should be, and he's "sacrificing" to play with Lebron and Wade, but the guy just vanished in the last two NBA finals.

  • thejohnnygold says 2 months ago

    So much worry :unsure:

    I'm actually quite comfortable with everything and would be fine heading into next season with, more or less, the same roster as last season.

    First, TTDN, Alexander has repeatedly stated the lux. tax is not an issue as long as we are fielding a contending team. Only Lin-iacs come around saying otherwise while pointing to his record of avoiding the tax....in all the years we weren't contenders.

    People need to remember, the accounting being done here is high-end corporate accounting. They know what to do with money and how to obscure it. If the Rockets are showing a $40M profit then rest assured, there is more money than that floating around.

    The Milwaukee Bucks sold for $550M and, on paper, don't earn money. Think about that when you worry about the owners' bottom lines. Don't fall for fancy accounting. People don't spend $550M on companies that don't turn a profit.

    Rahat's observation that this is the Summer to make our move is true. Of course, this overlooks one key element of the equation: Morey.

    First, never rule out some out-of-left-field trades. However, there are other avenues.

    Parsons, while so many are terrified of him screwing the team for a payday, is not going to do that. (again, if he does then good riddance--it's not the end of the world).

    Let's say that we don't lure a single big time free agent. Parsons, who will still have not signed an offer sheet (we all do remember he has to SIGN one for it to matter), can sign a one-year-over-valued contract with us. It's a win-win. What if Morey signs him for $15M for one year? Yes, it is an overpay, but it is a very smart move. Parsons gets his reward, he becomes a valuable trade chip if we decide to move him by helping match salary, and at the end of next season we are right back where we are now--bird rights in hand.

    No, the sky isn't falling. Whether it be Bosh, Melo, Plan D or nothing at all we are fine moving forward because Morey keeps one eye on the present and another on the future. Like a good poker player, he doesn't get on tilt if things aren't going his way. There are no panic moves. Everything is fine.

  • rocketrick says 2 months ago Did anybody else watch the NBA segment with Stephen A Smith late yesterday evening?

    Stephen A claims Bosh is holding everybody else up from making their decisions. Everybody else primarily being LeBron and Carmelo.

    Stephen A believes that if Bosh accepts the max offer from the Rockets that Carmelo would then seriously consider joining forces with LeBron and Dwade in Miami. Would mean Carmelo accepting less than max, would he really do it?

    Bosh is by far a better fit for the Rockets than Carmelo although I'm not all that enthused about paying Bosh the maximum. However, if that is what it takes to make a bold move this summer, I think the Rockets have to pull the trigger.

    I don't see any circumstance where the Rockets don't re-sign Chandler Parsons although one never knows for certain until the dust settles! Just my opinion, I think Parsons is signing long-term with the Rockets.
  • Cooper says 2 months ago If the reported forty million profit figure is not an anomaly dipping a little into tax territory shouldn't be too much of a problem but that's easy for me to say since it ain't my money. Adding bosh and then not having an sf doesn't really make the team better even if they get someone like pj tuker or Marvin Williams as a cheaper replacement.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 2 months ago Will the Rox match a 12+ offer to Parsons? Is he willing to go into the lux tax? I'm not sure.
  • Cooper says 2 months ago If Mirotic is as good as they think and rose is really back the bulls are in the mix in the east.
  • majik19 says 2 months ago

    There is chatter that Griffin will flip Wiggins and other assets for Love. James, Irving and Love would rule the East. Wow what a story that would be.

    I think the Bulls would still be competitive, with or without Melo.

  • majik19 says 2 months ago

    Well were all in on Bosh. 4 yr 96 mil on the table. leaves no room for any other big signings. Nervous as to what we let go to drop #7. *please dont be t jones please dont be t jones please dont be t jones*

    If Bosh does sign, Jones is going to struggle to find minutes. Assuming Bosh plays 30 minutes a game, that only leaves 18 for Jones (that's a low estimate for Bosh).

    Then again, you might be able to pair Jones with Bosh when Dwight rests. I think that's a pretty strong 4 man rotation, with D-mo picking up the scraps.That's the beauty of getting Bosh (as opposed to Anthony). He can play 5 in smaller lineups, paired with either Jones or D-mo.

    So just looking at the potential roster...

    PG: Beverly, Canaan

    SG: Harden, Murphy/Johnson?

    SF: Parsons, Casspi/Hamilton?

    PF: Bosh, Jones

    C: Howard, D-mo

    I think that's a pretty strong lineup. We'd probably want to fill out the roster with another point guard and a rim-protecting center. Maybe we could finally bring over Sergio Llull (haha).

  • feelingsupersonic says 2 months ago There is chatter that Griffin will flip Wiggins and other assets for Love. James, Irving and Love would rule the East. Wow what a story that would be.
  • slick shoes says 2 months ago

    Well were all in on Bosh. 4 yr 96 mil on the table. leaves no room for any other big signings. Nervous as to what we let go to drop #7. *please dont be t jones please dont be t jones please dont be t jones*

  • rockets best fan says 2 months ago

    everyone thinks Lebron going back to Cleveland is out of the question.........I don't. Lebron is Cleveland's prodigal son......time to go home. if you really think about it Cleveland has more talent right now. all Miami has is Bosh, Lebron and a shell of the player Wade use to be. Cleveland on the other hand while young and inexperience still has more to work with in Kyrie, Waiters andWiggins

  • Buckko says 2 months ago

    I just don't see the big 3 staying together. With their dire cap situation and the way the market has been. It's just not financially possiblle. You can't build a 12 man championship roster with 6 million dollars in cap space.

  • feelingsupersonic says 2 months ago So everyone waits on the James and Riley meeting. Riley is going to tell him what role players he has lined up and James resigns right? Bosh and Wade follow suit. Anthony is going to New York and Saunders holds onto Love till the deadline who happens to get injured.

    I wonder what Morey's plan D is?
  • miketheodio says 2 months ago

    rockets already have 2 stars, so i don't think building around them is a bad idea. would a 3rd star be nice? sure, but there is also a pretty big chance the rockets strike out on the 3rd star. what happens if the rockets never get the 3rd star? do you sacrifice organizational development to strike out on stars?