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Houston Rockets Trade Possibilities

19 Jul 2010 02:07 AM
by rahat huq

I am loath to do this.  Trade speculation is the nadir of analysis.  It’s also fun and logic would dictate that the Houston Rockets hope to make a major acquisition before the deadline.

Update at 12:15PM

Last week’s slew of signings pushed the club nose-deep into tax territory, leaving them with $80million of guaranteed salaries.  After awarding 34-year-old backup center Brad Miller almost all of the mid-level, it would be safe to assume they’re going “all in.”

Armed with the sizable expiring contracts of forwards Shane Battier and Jared Jeffries, two attractive New York draft picks, and cheap young talent in the persons of Jordan Hill, Chase Budinger, and Jermaine Taylor, the Rockets would seem to hold the chips to strike a deal.

While a blockbuster would crush flexibility expected next summer and leave the club hopelessly above the tax line for the foreseeable future, I personally believe, given recent developments, these will not be concerns.  Daryl Morey has spoken at length of the need for an elite talent; I’m confident management will not simply opt to let Battier and Jeffries expire.

Trades require planning and more importantly, “the perfect storm.”  Last winter’s blockbuster was only possible because it contained the necessary ingredients.  Houston and Sacramento had established relations.  Kevin Martin was deemed expendable because of the emergence of a cheaper replacement at his position in Tyreke Evans and because of financial problems faced by that organization.  Houston was deemed an acceptable trade partner because they could offer financial relief and a blossoming young talent.

This season, with the aforementioned assets, the Rockets can again offer teams those two conditions.  So whom might they target?  When could they hope to get a deal done?

While Morey probably hopes to strike now–the Knicks picks could lose value with time and a mid-season trade would disrupt chemistry–it’s a safe bet that any deal would be closer to the deadline.  Trading a star now would signal forfeit, hurting gate receipts and acting counterintuitive to the cause.  A team also would not have to pay a full season for dead-weight in Jared Jeffries and cash could be included to help cover the balance.

The Rockets stand in a precarious position.  They’re too good everywhere to make obvious upgrades but have no true elite players.  In fact, it can be argued that only an elite acquisition would serve as an upgrade at one of the spots.

They’re entrenched at the ‘2′ and ‘5.’  You can’t get better than Yao and Martin unless making a deal for a future hall-of-famer.  Having struck out on Bosh, there’s probably no player available in the league better at the ‘4′ than Scola – the Argentinian averaged 22 and 9 upon the trading of his backup.

That leaves the ‘3′ and the ‘1′ open for improvement with possible targets better than what we currently have.

Chris Paul is the only point guard–the league’s best–who could be available and would serve as an upgrade over the Brooks and Lowry tandem.  Could a deal be had?  After some draft day maneuvering, the Hornets squeezed below the tax line and no longer have a pressing need to deal their franchise icon.  Even if they did, would the Rockets bite?  Attaching Emeka Okafor would surely be a requirement for any deal and its doubtful whether the Rockets could swallow such a pill–despite his talents–after having committed $50 million to Scola.  There is also the issue of Adelman’s offense and whether it truly requires a ball-dominating point guard.

Danny Granger has been mentioned but that seems to be a pipe-dream.  After striking a deal with the city, the Pacers are no longer under financial duress, and thus, no longer under pressure to deal their star small forward.

Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony could be on the move after refusing to sign an extension and the Rockets would seem to have a package that could make that work.  But would they be interested?  If Anthony won’t re-sign in Denver, what desire would he have to stay here?  I don’t think that’s a risk worth taking.  Having said that, I wonder–speculating blindly–might Morey hear rumblings of some new stipulation in the upcoming CBA that would make it even more painful for players to leave their current teams (perhaps an even greater difference in annual raises), he could decide to take a chance.  Anthony would give the team a true superstar whose penchant for drawing fouls would fit right in with their philosophy.

Lastly there is Andre Iguodala who the club had desired last year even when needing to swallow the pill that was Samuel Dalembert.  Evan Turner could make him expendable, just as Tyreke Evans did Kevin Martin last year for the Kings, and the Sixers are in a bind to cut losses.  While not a superstar, with his intensity and playing style, Iguodala would fit impeccably with this team’s culture and approach.  But with Kevin Martin now aboard, would the Rockets still consider Iguodala worth the difference between he and Trevor Ariza’s salaries?  The guard is due $16million in 2014, and as one reader noted, has slipped quite noticeably defensively.

Update: A reader, ty185, writes:

assuming the next CBA reduces the CAP by around 10% reduction, that makes the CAP around $52-$53M. A quick glance of the team’s salary situation next summer suggests that only the Cavs and Kings could possibly make a close-to-max FA offer under that figure. Assume we are able to trade for Melo mid-season, is he REALLY going to bolt for either of those team instead of staying?

What’s most frustrating is that the new collective bargaining agreement is central to any trade considerations but so little regarding the negotiations is publically available. We could see some drastic changes to the current structure, all which would dictate the Rockets’ short and long term plans.

Re: Anthony, you would need the Nuggets deciding to not bother with the risk with Morey taking a swing while betting on a lower cap or something else of that nature.  But if there were rumblings about a possible reduction, why wouldn’t the Nuggets just keep Anthony themselves?  They’d need to be in a completely risk-averse state of mind for this to work.

Re: Iguodala, I share the same sentiment as those expressed in the comments.  He doesn’t put us on par with the Lakers, but would make things very interesting.  Still with no elite player, you would just be hoping to overwhelm teams with a balanced Yao-Scola-Iggy-Martin-Brooks attack.  Here’s a question: if he can be had now, do you take the bird in the hand or wait till the Melo/Paul situations have been resolved?

On the new CBA: it’s critical to compile news of any possible stipulations or related rumblings, just for the sake of intelligent discussion.  Going forward, please do pass along, either via email or in the comments, anything of that nature which you may come across which I have not yet made mention of.

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  • Sean
    Rahat, I am probably in the minority amongst rockets fans but I feel the rockets should stand pat with trades and deals at this point. Accumulating Iguodala, Paul, or anyone else and then have Yao suffer a career ending injury this year would be fatal for this team. They are exactly where I hoped they would be at. Jordan Hill turns 23 in a week and is extremely raw but hes still very talented and capable of becoming a Chris Bosh type player. If he never improves, we move on big deal. We have enough size in my opinion with Scola, Hill, and Yao to beat any team in the playoffs. Not to mention I think we have the best guard play in the NBA. Brooks, Martin, and lowry all bring a different style of game to the table. Chemistry and versatility could make this team extraordinary next season if Yao is healthy. Our wings are deep and steady and our bench is tremendous. Jermain Taylor could become the next JR Smith with a little luck. This team has a lot of upside. Plus I truly believe the knicks will deliver us a top ten pick next season. If Stoudemire gets hurt and thats not a big if, then we could get the 2nd pick of the draft. Adding Patrick Patterson and another stud in successive drafts could put us over the top. Superstars are great but the Pistons beat the lakers without having one star in my opinion. They just had the better team.
  • Charlie Boy
    only realistic 'get' is iggy IMO. Paul wont be traded to an inter-division rival (even though they do kinda owe us for the whole Katrina thing ... j/j) an eastern conference team would probably be an ideal partner, and Melo is salivating at moving to NYC where his wife is from and would like to reside. Granger is the reason Indy residents go watch pacer games, who on this roster that we would be willing to trade is going to put fans in the seats? Gerald Wallace would be a great addition but why is charlotte in a big rush to move him? Iggy is the target. Morey wanted him last year, just like with Kevin Martin, and some speculate Brad Miller has been on his radar for a while too, he's the Kobe neutralizer, and good for plenty of oohhh and aaahhh dunks throughout the year that will keep rocket fans at ease about the contract plus with Evan Turner ready to shine in Philly they are going to be very receptive to young talent in return ... Ariza,Hill,and Jeffries for Iggy??? That has Morey written all over it. We would be blessed with elite level talent at all 5 starting slots, with still a very formidable bench behind them.
  • Keith
    Definitely agree with that. Quite curious also to as why Gerald Wallace would be on the block since he is the leader of that Charlotte team.
  • ty185
    rahat, this is all I could gather about the future CBA so far

    http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=189779&page=1&pp=20

    tried to post it on clutchfans but didn't get as much discussion going as I had hoped. I guess everyone is still waiting for more details of the negotiation to come out. :)

    -- I would be really interested in hearing your take on this, especially since my research was initiated by our discussion earlier last month in the first place.
  • Gray Jay
    Originally posted part of this comment in the Brad Miller signing thread; felt it was more appropriate here.

    Another SF that hasn't been mentioned as a target, yet looks good according to WP48, adj +/-, etc... is Gerald Wallace from Charlotte (WP48 0.326, +2.14 2yr adj +/-). In your opinion would he be worth targeting? He obviously lacks the name recognition of an Anthony or Granger---or even an Igoudala---but he gets to the line over 7 times a game, shoots over 75% when he gets there, and averaged an 18/10 with over a block a game. Sure, he costs 10.5, but his contract's only for 2 years, instead of Iggy's 4. And you're negotiating with MJ: how hard can it be? I idly think that Brooks/Battier (or Ariza) for Wallace might get it done. Add one of the #1's if needed.

    Completely agree with your updated observation that the new CBA is going to drastically affect all of these scenarios. I feel it's to the point where it's almost not worth discussing potential trades.
  • bob schmidt
    Late last year, many of the basketball pundits had all but crowned the Cavs as the new power in the NBA only to watch their season end in such a disappointing fashion. Now, it is in fashion to consider the Heat and Lakers to be alone battling for supremach. Balderdash! Titles and champions are decided at the end of the battles, and Houston will be there competing among the best. How can anyone know that we are or are not good enough as is?


    If we make another significat move, it will be a trade sought by someone who decides to upgrade their chances in the long run. In other words, a trade of convenience. I'll bet that Morey lets it be known that he is available for incoming calls, but won't be making many calls on an outgoing basis. That is how you get the best value, when they come to you. It is a long time until February, so lets take a key from the Spurs by positioning ourselves to make the playoffs with an open mind to obvious opportunities towards improving the team along the way. We can afford to be patient and opportunistic....
  • Thomas
    We probably will have to be patient, just because trades won't be executed until much closer to the season opening or trade deadline.

    Denver's contract extension to Carmelo Anthony doesn't expire until July of 2011. That’s important, because acting on the offer during the season won’t make a difference to him in terms of salary earned. Signaling that he wants to leave now would probably not be a very good plan, and by that criterion, declining at the trade deadline doesn't make sense either. So while it's entirely up to Anthony, he’s likely to wait until the end of this coming season to make that decision – re-sign, or walk. To Denver, actively shopping Anthony before the trade deadline isn't a good deal for them either, and I'm sure that their preference would be to retain Anthony. February just gives them a chance to get something back if they are 100% sure Anthony walks, but I believe that the possibility is slim.

    The trade deadline has the potential to offer Chris Paul or Anthony on the market. No team would be entirely willing to part with their primary stars, but if the players clamor for a trade themselves, then everything becomes immediately possible. On that note, Paul seems unhappier than Anthony, based on reports so far.

    Iguodala is more likely to materialize now than later, since Philadelphia doesn't have that much to gain by waiting if they want to feature Evan Turner. Of all the speculative rumormongering, it’s the most likely based on history alone, but also the least exciting.

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    I don't think that's a Morey-type consideration. Of course, I’m not him, but my impression of his strategy is to continually improve the team for the long-term. Eventually the team will be good enough to win it all, but there should never be a move dictated by anything but strong analysis and clear reason.

    The final question should always be (depending on the trade details): Would Iguodala be worthwhile? If so, make the trade. If not, continue to lie in wait and pounce when the opportunity presents itself.

    Even if we strike a deal, say for Iguodala, what is preventing us from *also* pursuing Paul or Anthony? Lack of assets? /wry</here’s>
  • Jordan
    Not to be a Debby Downer but...I have little faith that anyone of those guys, Melo CP3 Granger or Iggy, would make our team a contender. I know the addition of Carmelo would make us close, but i feel that we would not be better than the Lakers or Heat.

    I am just itching for the season to start. You know what? I think Melo would be great on our team, but I don't think he would want to stay.

    Baseball sucks.
  • luislandry
    Yesss on the baseball. I think Melo does put us into competition, although behind the others, because we have about as good wing defense as is possible in this league. Melo would make LeBron work on the other end too. He is also the clear-cut end of game person if you do need to iso to guarantee a shot at the last second...that and if you look at his crunch time stats over his career, and his gamewinning shot percentage, he's an absolutely ice-cold finisher. It's a shame that Chauncey Billups' nickname fed into him getting the ball on too many late posessions.
  • Michael
    I would agree Rahat; to me, the Miller signing suggests that perhaps we are about to (or already have?) cross the Rubicon, so to speak. I think this is the final move Morey wants to make before he pushes for a significant upgrade. And at this point it would have to be either Iguodala or Anthony.

    Iggy is probably the more "reasonable" upgrade, though I think that can also be read as feasible. Anthony, however, is our golden fleece: while in our current configuration or with Iggy we would be mid-Western conference playoff pack material and potentially more, Anthony would vault us into the conversation with the Lakers, Mavs and Spurs. It would definitely be more difficult to acquire Anthony, if we have the means and opportunity we would have to take the shot.

    PS - Don't sweat the fact that this is all speculation. I think we're now accustomed to reading the leaves when it comes to Morey. We may not know exactly what is coming, but we know the signs when something is coming
  • cheolee
    Rahat,
    We pretty much mirror the exact same sentiments about our team. I've written various posts on clutchfans already about these topics. A couple comments and questions for ya:

    1) At the moment, Philly seems to be our leading candidate as far as viable trade partners go. Imho, I think that Iggy is a great fit because (A) he is a playmaker that can create his own offense and set up others (B) is an upgrade to Ariza in almost every aspect except spot up 3-point shooting (C) offers a different dimension to our starting 5 in that he is a slasher type (D) he's missed 6 games in his whole career while being near the top in minutes played! His contract is definitely a downer but it's catch-22 because if it wasn't, then Philly has no reason to deal him in the first place. As for those who don't want to pay his hefty salary, you can refer to my next point.

    2) You know how some teams ALWAYS seem to be in "rebuilding" mode? They are usually stuck in mediocrity. The fact of the NBA and its current salary regulations is that a team cannot be true contenders without willing to be significantly over the cap. What does this have to do with the ROX? I think that our "collecting assets" mode is pretty much done. This means that at some point, we needed to pay near value or overpay for upgrades on our roster. Based on Les' spending spree this summer, that time is now.

    3) The Scola/Lowry/Miller deals of this summer seems to be true value~slightly over paid even to the most avid Morey supporters. On first glance, they seem like bad deals. Based on Bimathug's salary update, however, I think that it is a win/win situation for all. For example, Miller's contract is 5 mil/year for 3 years with the last being a $1 mil guarantee. Almost everyone will agree that if Miller was had at 3-3.5 mil/year then it would be a great deal. Look at it this way. Year 1: We are paying 1.5 million "extra". Year 2: Eminent lockout + becomes an expiring contract asset. Year 3: Instant 4mil salary relief to financially strapped teams. In year 3, I'm thinking if a 5 mil->1mil partial guarantee is worth more than a 3mil->1mil because the owner can save 2x as much money immediately. That is why I think Morey is genius. He rewards the players like Scola & Lowry with these contracts (boost morale and loyalty) meanwhile making sure that he gets Miller over his other suiters, yet at the same time he thinks of the future in terms of maximizing options&flexibility.

  • Thomas
    I would also echo some of the sentiments expressed so far in the comments: one player on that list is not like the rest.

    - Paul is certainly a great player, but with Miller's signing, unless we can find a third team to take on Okafor, we will not be able to deal. Would their front office, now without immediate financial pressure, move their most valuable player? I suppose the Golden State Warriors deal has shown that a team can still command a high price without even a strong core in place, so perhaps NO really might be persuaded to deal Paul.

    - Iguodala at this point seems more like a consolation prize. Will picking him up thrust us into contention? I doubt we would be a major player, but we could be a reasonable dark horse / long-shot. Morey did want him even with Dalembert, who's now gone, so there are probably some legs on this deal.

    - Anthony is the big question and would qualify as an elite talent. The risk is there, but so is the new CBA. If we win, how would a star not re-sign? If we make a deep run, what other team could offer him both money *and* a good shot at the title? Since it's Denver's option to deal, Anthony doesn't get too much of a say. What would Denver even need or want to make such a deal happen?

    Since we're just speculating, Anthony should be the clear upgrade and priority. A major talent that fills most of our very few remaining needs.


    Postscript: noting earlier English tangents, it should also be "loath" as opposed to "loathe," as loath is to be reluctant or unwilling, while to loathe is to hate or abhor. You can still loathe doing this, but then it would more than likely read: "I loathe doing this."
  • SlimeBucket
    I say Golden State situation is different. They have had good attendance despite bad teams and are placed in the Bay Area with lots of disposable money. If New Orleans loses Paul then that team doesn't have a star player to sell tickets and they probably won't win more games right away then had with Paul. With the local economy still in the dumps I don't see people paying money to see a crappy product.
  • luislandry
    Carmelo is clearly worth anything they have to give up, Martin included, but I don't see any of the other guys being tremendous upgrades. I'll keep Ariza's superior (from what I've seen) spot-up 3-pt shooting.
  • rockets
    i would want melo over all the guys listed above. If we get melo that gives us a player who is on the level of durant, kobe, lebron, d-wade. That is elite status. he would be able to give us a scorer at the end of games, which we currently don't have. i think it is worth the risk to bring him here. don't forget get we tried to bring chris bosh here knowing he would opt out, so why not do it with melo. Just think how good this starting line up will look.

    C-yao ming
    Pf-scola
    Sf-melo
    Sg-kevin
    Pg- brooks

    if we do win a ring with this dream squad then i doubt melo will leave. As far as i know (sorry if i am wrong) people dont leave after they win a ring.
  • ty185
    Rahat, as to the risk of Melo leaving the team once we trade for him... Is there REALLY any team with enough cap space next year that makes it a legitimate threat?

    assuming the next CBA reduces the CAP by around 10% reduction, that makes the CAP around $52-$53M. A quick glance of the team's salary situation next summer suggests that only the Cavs and Kings could possibly make a close-to-max FA offer under that figure. Assume we are able to trade for Melo mid-season, is he REALLY going to bolt for either of those team instead of staying?

    I personally would feel that most of the FAs, especially top FAs, would have to be staying at their respective team in the upcoming summer.
  • SlimeBucket
    I think to a certain extent you can tell who really loves the game and those who are more about the money. I lived in ATL a long time and now live in CA but I still follow the Hawks. It was not surprising at all to me that Joe Johnson took the money. Hawks won't do better than a 4 seed in the East no less and will get worse over time. All Joe Johnson wanted was to be the "man"(which is why he left Phoenix and Steve Nash) and took the max contract the first time he signed with ATL and he did the same thing again. I watch Melo play and I'm not sure that he has the love. Even with all of Lebron's foibles he has gotten better every year. You can't do that if you don't love the game. Anthony's production really hasn't changed that much except scoring more inefficiently. Joe Johnson pretty much gave you the same production in his contract with ATL too. Carmelo is a better player than Joe but I'm not sure he can be a leader that takes you to even the Finals.

    I think Chris Paul has shown that he is competitive and fiery. If you want to win a championship you want a guy like that. Of course they need to have all NBA talent but I think you need that extra emotional leadership element once you are talking about a ring. You can have dictators like Jordan and Bryant. Or floor leaders like Bird, Magic, Isiah, Stockton(too he just got beat by epic Bulls teams). Or guys who get it done relatively quietly by just outplaying everyone like Hakeem, Duncan, and Pierce when they won that year although Pierce talked some trash afterwords but he did outplay Kobe and Lebron that year in head to head matchups. These are the guys that step up in the crunch time. If you are in the Finals then the talent is going to be fairly evenly matched(55 - 65 win team). Who is going to step up? I just don't see it in Anthony. It has been seven years for him too like Lebron and I haven't ever seen him have a transcendent playoff game with the series on the line. Despite Lebron choking in the Boston Series this year, he has performed like Game 7 against Celtics in Eastern Conference Finals against the best team that year. Game 5 against Orlando last year in the 4th quarter was nearly perfect basketball and so on. Chris Paul has shown more of those intangibles in those playoffs a few years ago. The main thing with him is injury but I still don't think a healthy Melo will take you to the promised land where Chris Paul could. If you are going for a ring you got to go all in. There is no playing it safe. You get Ron Artest. You get Dennis Rodman. You get Rasheed Wallace like Detroit did. It's a risk but nobody really remembers you for making it to the Finals.

    I mean I follow the stat sites like basketballreference.com and Dberri's site and I think those sites have opened my eyes about judging player's performances more rationally but you got to look at the hunger level of the players too. Kobe played horrible in game 7 but he had an effect on Pau Gasol and the rest of that Lakers squad wanting to win whereas the first time it was clear that Boston was hungrier none more than Paul Pierce with the way he delivered all series. All I'm saying is once you get players that are relatively in the same league talent wise then you got to look at the emotional quotient. I mean there are exceptions like the Shaq/Kobe squads but I would argue those teams that they faced in the Finals were not comparable. Someone still has to step up at that level. The question is who do you think is more likely to step up Chris Paul or Melo?
  • SlimeBucket
    Would you take Hakeem or Ewing? I mean their career numbers on the surface seem similar but I bet most of you would have bet that Hakeem would have come out on top before they faced off? Why because you can sense something about the man. Somehow I just see more shades of Ewing in Melo. I think Chris Paul is like a combination of Isiah Thomas/Magic Johnson. He has better vision than Isiah but has some of the explosive scoring of Isiah. He can set the table for 3 quarters but take over for in the 4th quarter if need be. He poured in 61 points in HS after his grandfather died for every year his grandfather had lived. The man has heart.

    From the TrueHoops blog for the Nuggets:
    http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/2010/05/18/how-good-is-carmelo-anthony/

    It is not a glowing recommendation. Also, most of the stats measures put Chris Paul ahead of Carmelo anyway. Also, other than Larry Bird and Paul Pierce name me a championship team in the modern NBA era whose best player was a small forward not to mention KG and McHale were ridiculously good big men those years. Otherwise, you are looking at dominant big man(I guess you have to call Duncan a PF or otherwise you can say center) or great point guards as your leader. Honorable mention to Dr. J and Pippen as second best players on their teams.

    Anyway, I like to adopt underdog teams so I hope the Rockets can get Chris Paul as the media will still only consider them a dark horse candidate even if they get him somehow. I'll probably still adopt them anyway since the Warriors will still probably suck and are ugly to watch with Monta Ellis. I hope you guys don't get stuck with Carmelo. I think Chris Paul is more about winning than Melo. We will find out in a few years hopefully.
  • RFWC
    Nice analysis. Not expecting a post so early.

    Personally I don't like the Iguodala trade. One does have to wonder about whether the defensive drop is because he no longer needs to do the 'dirty work.' It's not Kobe's job to guard the opponent's best scorer night in and night out, for example.

    Bruce Jenkins with SF chronicle has Rockets as the 4th best team in the West for the 2010 season, behind 1. Lakers, 2. OKC, 3. Denver

    with 70+ million Rockets will be almost the third highest team payroll.

    Certainly if this unit does not perform as well as on paper we might be ones to 'sell' talent...
  • Heat043
    Very interesting topic Red, I agree on so many things with you on this. This team looks so ready for a traffic season but are still one piece away to battle teams such as Lakers, Mavs in West. The SF spot would be my number one objective. A player like Granger would be ideal then someone like Iguodala would be a nice addition also because unlike Martin he's not a number one or two option guy on offense like Philly tried to make him so he could just play off people. If Paul became available I would trade anyone on the roster for except Yao and Martin, these are two pieces you need to contend for a title. Even if it cost us both pgs at time in Brooks and Lowry because next year if you want to keep Brooks your going to have to pay him money that I would be a little concerned about. Also you have to trade these young pieces before their "bait" value runs out esp on the wing position. A player like Martin plays 40 mins a night so thats leaving a hopeful back up to him (Chase or JT) to be like many other good two guards back ups, to be so hot one min and then cold the next..a.k.a. Vujuic and Luther Head. So we should unload on at least one soon with Hill maybe in the package but he's still a wild card with so much potential its just when or will he get it done!
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