Houston Rockets to meet with Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith, today

When it was reported that the Rockets had made Omer Asik available in trade, I had speculated that Smith was the primary target.  Unless this is as a Howard contingency (rather than concurrency), it looks like that could be the case.

As I said before, I’m torn.  If signing Smith is an important part of the pitch to Howard, then the debate is moot.  But if not, there are merits to both sides of the argument.  On the one hand, it just makes rational economic sense to allocate your dollars in the manner of highest yield, per minute.  To that end, that would mean being able to play Smith and Howard together would be the greatest bang for the buck.  That scenario would be in contrast to the reality that Asik and Howard probably can’t share the court for more than few minutes a game.

On the flip side, there’s just something to having two defensively elite 7 footers on your squad.  Asik also serves as great Howard insurance.

But if you’re going all the way in, you’re not really thinking about insurance.  You’re thinking about the best 5-man unit you can put on the floor for 35 minutes of a playoff game.  Despite Terrence Jones and Donatas Motiejunas respective vast potentials, the Rockets probably feel they cannot expect to immediately contend with relative unknowns at the ’4′.

Howad with Smith is a scenario we had widely discussed throughout the season.  Funny that it could have chance of happening.

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Total comments: 58
  • rockets best fan says 9 months ago

    Yes you did. Maybe you are from the future cause you said he committed to Detroit before all the other credible reporters. Either that or your sources are LEGIT and if that is the case Chris Broussard must be super jealous.

    :lol:

  • Steven says 9 months ago


    Yes you did. Maybe you are from the future cause you said he committed to Detroit before all the other credible reporters. Either that or your sources are LEGIT and if that is the case Chris Broussard must be super jealous.


    One of the guys from insider had it. He didn't have the money tho.
  • Dan G says 9 months ago

    Told everyone that's where he would go.

    Yes you did. Maybe you are from the future cause you said he committed to Detroit before all the other credible reporters. Either that or your sources are LEGIT and if that is the case Chris Broussard must be super jealous.

  • Steven says 9 months ago Told everyone that's where he would go.
  • sircharles says 9 months ago

    josh smith has signed a 4 year deal worth 56 million with the detroit pistons via WOJ

  • ale11 says 9 months ago

    josh not jr

    JG mentioned JR too, and that's why I said "resigning". I should have specified the name though....

  • rockets best fan says 9 months ago

    Smith already agreed resigning with NY.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/04/reports-knicks-smith-agree-to-deal/?ls=iref:nbahpts

    josh not jr

  • ale11 says 9 months ago

    Smith already agreed resigning with NY.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/04/reports-knicks-smith-agree-to-deal/?ls=iref:nbahpts

  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    Check out this twitter feed brimming with Detroit pistons rumors...apparently they are getting Josh Smith, iguodala, JR Smith, AND Rondo! Seems legit... :lol:

  • bboley24 says 9 months ago

    Not seeing that either. From what I have read, he is holding out until Dwight makes his announcement.

  • rockets best fan says 9 months ago

    I seen where he talk to Detroit, but I have seen no commitment........................?

  • Steven says 9 months ago ESPN Insider
  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago So was the Detroit thing true or trolling?
  • Sir Thursday says 9 months ago

    Guess you did not read what I wrote and you are correct it has gone off the intended topic.

    Ah, sorry, the formatting was a bit weird and I had assumed all the top part was all quotes of previous posts. I think we're probably in agreement, it's just an argument about semantics.

    ST

  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago Give data to back it up about detroit
  • sircharles says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith to Detriot. :D :D :D :D :D :DRockets and Morey dodged a huge bullet.

    is this what you're hoping for? dont see anything online about it

  • feelingsupersonic says 9 months ago Guess you did not read what I wrote and you are correct it has gone off the intended topic.
  • Sir Thursday says 9 months ago

    @Sir Thusday -I have seen the games and I have gone back and looked at the footage and to say Harden was decent at defending Bryant is a misrepresentation of Harden's defense, he was physical,quicker and a stopper. Improve his conditioning? The guy just played almost 2 years straight of high level basketball.

    Not quite clear to me what you mean here - are you saying you felt he did a good job of defending Bryant in the footage you watched, or that you don't think he did?

    I'm pretty adamant that conditioning at least plays a part in Harden's defensive malaise. He's playing 10 PPG more than he did when he was with the Thunder, on top of which he is taking a much larger percentage of possessions with the Rockets than he ever did as a third banana at OKC. There were several times this year where he looked gassed down the stretch, and that's just playing offense at a high level. I've read several interviews with players that say that when asked to carry more of the offensive load they ration the energy they put in on defense to compensate, and it's pretty obvious from watching the games that that is what Harden has been doing this year.

    So with an off-season to prepare for being a 38 MPG player with large amounts of offensive responsibility, one would hope that he would come back next season with more energy reserves than he did this year, when his circumstances changed rapidly at the last minute.

    EDIT: Anyway, this is all a bit off-topic.

  • Hockey the Harden Way says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith in some ways reminds me of a "left-handed Carmelo Anthony".... Except he lacks the "clutch" gene, is an awful FT shooter, and is a better defender.... He does have a good post-up game, and can score with contact. I think some Rockets fans are leery about having too much of a "midrange game".... Smith can play both forward positions. Smith does like shooting the three, but his low percentage would make him only a third or fourth option from downtown.

    Getting both Smith and Howard could create a potential "Hack-a-Rox-Big" fest in the 4th quarter of games. This could compound the Rockets woes in crunch time. The Rockets will continue winning the blowouts but losing the close ones. And the "Hack-a..." strategy will create more close games, which McHale doesn't handle particularly well. Poor FT shooting is also poison in the post-season.

    Personally, I think the Rockets would be a lot better off with Josh Smith to fill the hole at the 4 position than replacing a solid near-top-tier center in Omer Asik with a super athlete but sour attitude in Dwight Howard. My only real issues with Josh Smith is I don't think he's quite a max contract type of player, and he tends to disappear in crunch time.

  • Steven says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith to Detriot. :D :D :D :D :D :DRockets and Morey dodged a huge bullet.

  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    What gets ignored by Pro-Smith, is numbers dropped as he moved up to the number one option, thus proving his SKILLS ARE ERODING. And the fact HE TURNED DOWN $15M/season. He is a CAREER 28% 3 point shooter, and the Rockets want you only shooting in the paint and behind the arc, with Harden and Howard there are no shots in the paint, so 3/10 ain't gonna cut it. He is not a max player, but yet that is what he is going to get paid, thus tying the hands of Morey and causing this team to NEVER win a championship as long as he is under contract. Plus by the end of next season Terrance Jones will be a better player and cost 1/10 the cost.

    I would disagree that these things are ignored. On the contrary, they were addressed above in detailing his dissatisfaction with the front office, the poor offensive system he played in, and his numerous injuries (knee primarily).

    The logic that his numbers dropped as he moved up to a number one option equals eroding skills is a fallacy in my opinion. It is widely accepted that being a number one option is much more difficult and nearly all players experience this dip in numbers as opponents specifically game plan to stop you. Bearing that in mind, his fg% this year is exactly inline with his career average (46.5%), and his eFG% and TS% are both up over last year's numbers. His rebounds and steals took a small dip this year, but applying the knowledge that his knee wasn't right all year one can see how those numbers would decrease as they rely upon quickness and leaping ability.

    Again, turning down the $15M has more to do with wanting out of ATL than anything else.

    He will shoot some threes, but his offensive specialties are as a cutter, rebounder, transition, and just about anything in the paint--the guy can finish at the rim. I'm confident Morey/McHale will find a way to maximize his skillset if they acquire him. They see the stats...if they wanted a three point shooter they would have gone after Dunleavy or Redick. We already have Harden, Parsons, and we are assuming Howard--they can shoulder the scoring load quite easily. Meaning Smith is really a 4th option--he will play off the ball and clean up on rebounds/cuts, etc. I think he will be brought in to improve the defense and rebounding. Plus, he can run a high post offense--as he is an excellent passer--if the Rox want a change of pace.

    I disagree that he will get the max--I think it will fall between $12-$14M.

    I somewhat agree about Terrance Jones. He has plenty of potential, but until it is realized that is an unknown and presuming he will be as good/better is no different than presuming Josh Smith will be worse. The implication being made is that at season's end Terrance Jones will be good enough to be a #1 option on an NBA team....not so sure about that.

    I get it--you don't like Josh Smith one bit. That's fine--I'm not trying to convert you as that would be pointless. I do think your stance is a bit extreme and lacks a balanced perspective. You say he is average at best...I say average players don't repeatedly post numbers like this:

    (35 box scores from last season per basketball-reference.com)

    Points, rebounds, assists, blocks

    19, 11, 3, 1

    19, 8, 6, 3

    25, 12, 1, 4

    17, 13, 6, 5

    25, 8, 3, 3

    23, 15, 4, 0

    24, 8, 4, 1

    16, 11, 3, 5

    17, 13, 1, 5

    17, 12, 3, 2

    31, 10, 6, 2

    23, 13, 7, 4

    21, 13, 7, 2

    15, 10, 6, 1

    21, 8, 3, 0

    30, 13, 8, 3

    17, 14, 7, 2

    20, 11, 3, 3

    19, 13, 5, 2

    19, 11, 6, 3

    23, 6, 8, 2

    26, 13, 6, 0

    30, 10, 5, 2

    15, 13, 5, 1

    23, 7, 4, 1

    24, 14, 7, 0

    19, 7, 7, 3

    32, 8, 8, 1

    17, 11, 7, 1

    21, 7, 5, 2

    24, 10, 4, 2

    23, 9, 4, 2

    21, 9, 2, 3

    18, 14, 8, 1

    28, 12, 4, 1

    I'd be curious to see a list of players with comparable stats...

  • sircharles says 9 months ago

    smith's wing defense and transition game are why we need him. smith took terrible shots last year because there was no one else on the team to shoot, so he would always get double teamed and be forced to take horrible shots. he has been stuck on a mediocre team surrounded by injuries his whole career. when joe johnson was on the hawks smith's shooting numbers were a lot more consistent because he wasnt having the offense ran through him

  • Steven says 9 months ago What gets ignored by Pro-Smith, is numbers dropped as he moved up to the number one option, thus proving his SKILLS ARE ERODING. And the fact HE TURNED DOWN $15M/season. He is a CAREER 28% 3 point shooter, and the Rockets want you only shooting in the paint and behind the arc, with Harden and Howard there are no shots in the paint, so 3/10 ain't gonna cut it. He is not a max player, but yet that is what he is going to get paid, thus tying the hands of Morey and causing this team to NEVER win a championship as long as he is under contract. Plus by the end of next season Terrance Jones will be a better player and cost 1/10 the cost.
  • Richards says 9 months ago

    I bet we will end up with Smith. Howard will stay in LA.Kobe saying "room isn't big enough for LAL HoFers", TV show, pressures from PJ, Jack N.

    Howard knew that with all kinds of health issue Lakers had last year and they still finished ahead of Houston in seeding.

    Howard just trying to get his name in media more. That is a norm with celebrities. Don't waste your times on this BS. I bet D12 will stay.

    Disclaimer: Yeah I am one of those hopelessly wanted to see D12 in Rockets uniform

  • feelingsupersonic says 9 months ago @Sir Thursday and timetodie -We obviously have different opinions on Harden's defensive skills, I have watched nearly 30 seasons of NBA basketball and because one season goes by that is an anomaly I don't really let that cloud my my judgement. Also I have extensively written here on the forum concerning James Harden's increase in minutes, responsibilities and expectations, which have been monumental to say the least. Not to mention Harden played the 2011-2012 NBA season including the Finals run, on the 2012 USA Olympic team that took the gold and then unexpectedly had to push his body, mind and heart to a new level as the Rockets only great player and face of the franchise, that's nearly 18 months straight that included the brutal shortened season. You all talk as if these players can do anything physically, I am astounded by what some of you write but everyone has a right to their opinion and perhaps I am mistaken.@Sir Thursday -This is what my original comment was refuting. Surely you must find more fault with the idea that Harden is allergic to defense than my shortened retort you choose to rewrite which is essentially the same idea. With my wife leaving to work and my kid usually in a crazed mood in the morning it's no wonder I didn't write more at 7:20 AM but how could you know that?timetodie wrote: Harden is as allergic to D as Melo once was.I replied: When asked to be Harden is an outstanding defender.timetodie wrote: Are you saying he wasn't "asked" to defend this year? I don't know if I believe that. I believe(my opinion) that coaches want two way players. I could be wrong though...@timetodie -Yes I believe he was asked not to expend energy on defense. Truthfully there is no way either of us could know but we each interpret what we saw in our ways and I respect you as I know your opinion and my own are very different. I believe in that Heat game in February Harden was asked to defend James which he did effectively while also scoring on him. There are reasons in my opinion when Harden was beat on defense that Mchale did not bench him, it was the directive and my assumption is that other players were responsible for helping Harden.Sir Thursday wrote: I don't think that's quite right. I would state it rather as "When motivated to prioritize defense, Harden can do a good job". Back when he was on the Thunder I remember seeing him do a pretty decent job of guarding Kobe - the team needed him to defend above all else and he responded to the challenge. But in his current situation it is not often that he will [a> be motivated (he's in the conversation with Kobe and Wade now - that matchup is no longer something he has to raise his game for) and be asked to prioritize defence (no matter how badly McHale would like him to be a better defender, they need his offense more).Perhaps this will change if another couple of max contracts arrive (although I'm sceptical). Alternatively if Harden can improve his conditioning to the point that he is able to expend more energy defensively without hurting his offense, we might see an uptick there. @Sir Thusday -I have seen the games and I have gone back and looked at the footage and to say Harden was decent at defending Bryant is a misrepresentation of Harden's defense, he was physical,quicker and a stopper. Improve his conditioning? The guy just played almost 2 years straight of high level basketball.
  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    If we are going to use Smith's stats it is only fair to point out all of them--he fills the stat sheet like very few can.

    17.5 pts, 8.4 rbs, 4.2 ast, 1.2 stl, and 1.8 blk.

    What gets ignored by Smith detractors? Plenty.

    He endured numerous injuries last season including a nagging knee injury that seemed to start early in the season. (it seems most players get some credit for playing injured--apparently not Smith).

    He played in a stagnant offensive system under a coach who didn't seem to realize he had one of the fastest pg's in the league paired with one of it's most unique athletic talents (Smith). Instead, they played slow, grind it out ball. Smith and Horford ran a decent pick n roll. Often, the offense was set up to run from the right wing (about 20' out) and Smith, being a good passer, was supposed to initiate. One problem--his teammates stood still and watched him. He couldn't drive past his man because help defense had already slid over behind and so what would he do? Jack up a lousy 2.

    He was frustrated. Look at the history of the Hawks. Over the past 5 years or so they got rid of their talented core of players one by one. Meanwhile, they bring little back in the way of help (seriously, what was the last quality acquisition they made? Kyle Korver? Before that? Hinrich? Old Jerry Stackhouse?)...and expect Smith and Horford to keep competing against the Celtics, Heat, Pacers, Bulls, Knicks, and Nets. Between getting no help from the front office and having a coach with no idea how to use the talent he had Smith was fed up--I would be too.

    His best years came when he had talent around him and he didn't have to be the man. He is a willing passer (evidenced by the fact he assists 20% of the shots made when he is on the floor over the past two years--Harden had 25% this past season).

    He is not a perfect player, but without taking into consideration the full context of his situation one does not get a fair picture of his talent or his worth. Applying his skills and abilities to our roster, including Howard, Harden, and Parsons is a no-brainer in my book.

    Having said all of that--I am still perfectly happy to keep Lin and Asik. My stance is from the perspective that Morey, to appease Dwight or because he likes Smith, is going to make this happen--and I am ok with that.

  • Ostrow says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith would just take most of Delfino/Jones' boneheaded shots so it is close to a push in the bonehead shot department. He is a beast in the open court, and I would argue it's not that he can't shoot. He just has poor shot selection. However, you get that guy in transition and he is a monster. While some people don't like the idea of having 2 guys on the floor who can't shoot, I like the idea of having 5 guys on the floor who can get their own shot, 4 guys who can dribble, and 4 guys who can handle the ball in the pick and roll. Don't get me wrong, Smith isn't a perfect player, I don't want him at the max, but if we could get him for 10 or 12 a year (next to Howard only) I think he is a good fit. We could potentially go get a guy like Jack (Mayo if he'd take less or we could convince someone that the trade exception was important for them) if we traded Lin and Asik for Smith at the 10-12 price.

  • RollingWave says 9 months ago

    Most of Smith's value don't come from scoring, if anything, I'd hope he score less because he simply don't take that many efficient shots.

  • Steven says 9 months ago Everyone is forgetting the elephant in the room. It's $15M+/year to a guy to get you 16&8.5. That WAY too expensive. Or you can play your two rookie PFs and get at least the same stats and cost you 20%. At 4 yrs $30M, I'm ok with the deal. Heck even 4 yrs $40M. But it's not. It's going to be at least a 4 yr $60M contract that will tie down the franchise for three years giving the a 0.0% chance of winning the title.
  • cjuice28 says 9 months ago

    I don't like the idea of 2 guys on the floor at the same time who can't shoot well. True Hoop had a good article today on it.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60723/live-by-the-3-or-die

    So, whether its Howard/Asik or Asik/Smith, I think what we really need is a starting caliber stretch 4 or 5, if we get either Howard or Smith.

  • RollingWave says 9 months ago

    I like the concept of Josh Smith more than the player of Josh Smith, let's just say that.

    There is the general worry that guys with bad shot selection rarely seem to fix that, though I suppose you could just ask Lin and Harden to give him the ball less so that at least reduces the chances he has to make those choices.

    He's a terror in transition though, with him our transition game would be even more epic than it was this year. you'd have elite transition players in all 4 corners. that's special.

    The general HOPE is that as long as we can limit his bad shots one way or another, his value in defense really will show, because a great defender he indeed is . very active, block shots like a center, grab rebound like a PF, and keep up with players like a wing. defensively he's pretty close to your ideal NBA non-center defender.

    I agree with Raq, if this is a deal that must get done to land Dwight, so be it, I like Smith more than most guys, he does thing casual fans don't appreciate and I'm high on that. but at the same time there is some legit concerns with his weakness . though I guess the plus side argument here is that

    1. our offense was fine with a bunch of rookies at the 4 last year, it can't really be worse just because Smith take a few bone headed shots a game.

    2. he really address one of the biggest issue we had last year, transition defense, he's a guy that'll run back and be a massive shot blocking threat and generally have very good instincts in that regards.

    3. while you probably can't fix bad shot selection, you can fix the # of chances he gets to take those shots.

    4. he sort of has a jumper , he will take 3s... though it remains dubious if he should actually takes them.

    the down side is.

    1. bad shot selection

    2. generally inefficient offensive player outside of transition. (and because the other Hawks were blah transition players this part didn't get much use.)

    3. free throw took an extremely scary dip this year. if there is one statistical red flag this would be it.

  • bboley24 says 9 months ago

    Wow. Now I am torn. I would love him on our team if he didn't want the ball and accepted the third role.

  • Steven says 9 months ago


    OK, I recognize that my opinion carries little to no weight--and why should it? However, if Josh Smith is so terrible why does Morey keep sniffing around him? That has to count for something....

    Reciprocity
  • Cooper says 9 months ago You don't need 20/10 from a third option 15/8 and good defense is great for a number 3 and I think smith is plenty capable of that.
  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    OK, I recognize that my opinion carries little to no weight--and why should it? However, if Josh Smith is so terrible why does Morey keep sniffing around him? That has to count for something....

  • Sir Thursday says 9 months ago

    Bosh went for 20&10 for years. Josh Smith never.

    Smith has consistently average 2 blocks and 1.5 steals per game while Bosh has never managed that. What's your point?

  • Steven says 9 months ago


    Bosh was the third best player on the heat and they won back to back titles I'd put smith and bosh on the same level as similar caliber players


    Bosh went for 20&10 for years. Josh Smith never.
  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    Say this out loud, "Josh Smith third best player on championship t te tea." I can't even finish it without busting out in laughter. Average name average player. Not signing him will be like missing the iceberg. Signing him will be like shuffling the deck chair on the Titanic for 4 years until you can finally unload his contract.

    @johnny you lost the debate when you had to revert to name calling. Personal attacks only happen when someone is losing a debate and wants to end it.

    Sorry--I honestly thought you were "trolling" for a response in a light-hearted manner--it wasn't meant as a personal attack or name-calling; although, I see how it definitely looks that way--my bad. I meant it in good humor.

    Now, as for losing the debate....I do not concede that....yet.... :P

  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago Average player? He's a borderline all star. That's not average when there's close to 400 players in the NBA. He's top 40 at least. Not sure how that's average.(I personally have him higher since defense is important). I agree with thejohnnygold about his opinion of trolls. And if you don't want to be a fan anymore that's your right. I wouldn't call that type of person a fan in the first place, but we all have different definitions of what a fan is. I know I'm not as extreme as some.
  • Cooper says 9 months ago Bosh was the third best player on the heat and they won back to back titles I'd put smith and bosh on the same level as similar caliber players
  • Steven says 9 months ago Say this out loud, "Josh Smith third best player on championship t te tea." I can't even finish it without busting out in laughter. Average name average player. Not signing him will be like missing the iceberg. Signing him will be like shuffling the deck chair on the Titanic for 4 years until you can finally unload his contract.

    @johnny you lost the debate when you had to revert to name calling. Personal attacks only happen when someone is losing a debate and wants to end it.
  • rockets best fan says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith brings plenty to the table. He can play either forward position effectively. Pairing him with Parsons gives us two highly-skilled, long, and athletic forwards that can shoot from 3, drive to the rim, and can pass well too (Smith would probably be the team's best passer). That gives us excellent versatility on offense as well as defense. Teams that rely on picks and screens to create mismatches off of defensive switches will have no such luck with us as Parsons and Smith can guard multiple positions with ease.

    Our offensive system will be fine. Smith shoots over 60% near the rim--this is equivalent to 40% from three--very efficient and within Morey's schemes. He will command a great deal of attention near the rim...this means Howard will once again benefit and get plenty of dunks off of quick passes and rebounds as his man will be distracted by Smith.

    As for the question of too much defense--no, I don't think we can have too much defense. Presuming Lin gets shipped on this deal, this gives us Beverley at PG (good D), Parsons at SF (good D), Smith, and Howard...Harden might even get in on the act! The Bulls and Pacers make their living playing defense. If they had a consistent, dynamic scoring threat I think either one of them could have made it to the finals this year.

    If these moves happen I will begin making plans for the Rockets being in the finals. We will be that good. Solid defense plus solid offense equals too much AWESOME for any other team to handle B)

    JG I'm starting to warm to the j-smith idea........as long as Howard is already in tow of course :lol:

  • Steven says 9 months ago Josh Smith will kill Houston's system. Ball stoppers always do.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago Lin won't be a diva. So he has no worries there.
  • Richards says 9 months ago

    Morey is in Kamikaze mode. Netting Howard or losing out on all others and awkward moments with Lin and Asik.

  • bboley24 says 9 months ago

    Son of a .... he hit that three. Without using any other part of his body beyond his arms.

  • Sir Thursday says 9 months ago

    When asked to be Harden is an outstanding defender.

    I don't think that's quite right. I would state it rather as "When motivated to prioritize defense, Harden can do a good job". Back when he was on the Thunder I remember seeing him do a pretty decent job of guarding Kobe - the team needed him to defend above all else and he responded to the challenge. But in his current situation it is not often that he will [a> be motivated (he's in the conversation with Kobe and Wade now - that matchup is no longer something he has to raise his game for) and be asked to prioritize defence (no matter how badly McHale would like him to be a better defender, they need his offense more).

    Perhaps this will change if another couple of max contracts arrive (although I'm sceptical). Alternatively if Harden can improve his conditioning to the point that he is able to expend more energy defensively without hurting his offense, we might see an uptick there.

    ST

  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    If Josh Smith signs I'm through with the Rockets. I don't wanna waste my time with a team that has a 0.0% chance of winning a title. And with Josh Smith eating up $15M+ of your salary cap, that is your percentage of winning a title.

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    Seriously though...Smith without Howard is a different animal altogether.

    While I agree that signing Smith alone does not thrust us into elite contender status it is certainly an upgrade on both sides of the ball. It is speculation as to how much of an upgrade--I think his skill set will be maximized here and that he was burned out and mishandled in Atlanta. At worst, we get a guy who isn't keyed in all the time and can disappear for one or two games at a time. That would be unfortunate. Still, the rest of the time he still posts healthy averages, plays D, and goes off for huge games about 25% of the time (need to re-check that, but if memory serves it was about 1 out of 4 games that he dominated).

    Given the rest of the roster and their (almost) guaranteed improvement I think that team can compete against any team in a 7 game series--at this point it will come down to the same thing it always seems to--the 3 ball and late game defense.

    Josh Smith would thrive in the Rockets' system--pure and simple B)

  • Steven says 9 months ago If Josh Smith signs I'm through with the Rockets. I don't wanna waste my time with a team that has a 0.0% chance of winning a title. And with Josh Smith eating up $15M+ of your salary cap, that is your percentage of winning a title.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago

    When asked to be Harden is an outstanding defender.


    Are you saying he wasn't "asked" to defend this year? I don't know if I believe that. I believe(my opinion) that coaches want two way players. I could be wrong though...
  • feelingsupersonic says 9 months ago When asked to be Harden is an outstanding defender.
  • Dan G says 9 months ago

    Don't get crazy there. Harden is as allergic to D as Melo once was.

    Using Melo as an example hurts your argument IMO. They key word is "once" in that second sentence. Melo actually improved on defense after everyone ragged on him for years. How can the same not happen for Harden especially if he is surrounded by good defenders? Good defense can be contagious.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 9 months ago Don't get crazy there. Harden is as allergic to D as Melo once was.
  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    Josh Smith brings plenty to the table. He can play either forward position effectively. Pairing him with Parsons gives us two highly-skilled, long, and athletic forwards that can shoot from 3, drive to the rim, and can pass well too (Smith would probably be the team's best passer). That gives us excellent versatility on offense as well as defense. Teams that rely on picks and screens to create mismatches off of defensive switches will have no such luck with us as Parsons and Smith can guard multiple positions with ease.

    Our offensive system will be fine. Smith shoots over 60% near the rim--this is equivalent to 40% from three--very efficient and within Morey's schemes. He will command a great deal of attention near the rim...this means Howard will once again benefit and get plenty of dunks off of quick passes and rebounds as his man will be distracted by Smith.

    As for the question of too much defense--no, I don't think we can have too much defense. Presuming Lin gets shipped on this deal, this gives us Beverley at PG (good D), Parsons at SF (good D), Smith, and Howard...Harden might even get in on the act! The Bulls and Pacers make their living playing defense. If they had a consistent, dynamic scoring threat I think either one of them could have made it to the finals this year.

    If these moves happen I will begin making plans for the Rockets being in the finals. We will be that good. Solid defense plus solid offense equals too much AWESOME for any other team to handle B)

  • rocketrick says 9 months ago Just as I'm not a big fan of signing D12 and keeping Asik, I feel the same about signing D12, then signing Josh Smith. Why have so much of your team's cap tied up in just the Center position, especially knowing the dearth of Centers in the NBA which has resulted in a number of teams being successful with small ball lineups? Why do the Rockets need another defensive stopper, which is really Josh Smith's best attribute, if we already have the 3 time Defensive player of the year on the team?

    I would simply suggest creating more roster flexibility is the better way to go. For sure the Rockets are going to need proven 3 point shooting to build around Harden and Howard. And better wing defenders. Does Josh Smith have the requisite quickness to match up with shooting guards and small forwards in today's league? I don't believe so.
  • thejohnnygold says 9 months ago

    If this happens you guys are going to be on the Josh Smith bandwagon sooner than later. Smith will come in as the 3rd option--which is ideal--and will be able to dominate defensively while playing off the ball on offense. I can already hear the collective groans that will emanate all the way to Austin from Houston every time he shoots a 20' jumper. I don't care. I can live with that shot from him the same way I can live with Dwight's BS--it's worth it to get the rest of the package. If this goes down the Rockets immediately become western conference favorites.

    bboley24, don't watch this video...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGZ1p08aFX0

  • bboley24 says 9 months ago

    Not everyone can shoot the ball at once. Thank god Dwight doesn't shoot threes.

  • Steven says 9 months ago Waste of money. Howard or not. Rather keep Asik and not have Howard, then have Howard and Mr Eroding Skills.