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Houston Rockets decline to match on Chandler Parsons, sun rises Monday morning

All of my initial reactions to this story are on Twitter.

  • This is not the end of the world.  Friday, when Chris Bosh spurned the team, was the end of the world.
  • I am definitely shocked by this news.  As I had written over the weekend, I fully expected the team to match on Parsons.
  • I had been operating under the premise that even after bringing back Parsons, the team would still have the flexibility to make another impact move.  The staff determined that that would not be possible.
  • If bringing back Parsons means that that is essentially your team, that that is it, are you ok with that?
  • In response to the above, many of you have answered in the affirmative, wondering when the tinkering will ever stop.  One reader asked, quite poignantly, “when will Morey’s final team ever happen?”  I’d raise that one notch: Morey is in a race to realize his “final team” before Dwight Howard’s prime expires.  Problem: Dwight Howard’s prime is expiring.
  • Ariza is roughly similar to Parsons, we can all agree.  But today, you’re a worse team than you would have been had you matched on Parsons, simply by not having both Parsons or Ariza.  Though you keep open the hope, albeit slim, of drastic improvement via a later trade.  This whole thing gives rise to fascinating philosophical basketball questions: at what point do you stop?  at what point do you stop trading the present for hope on the future?  The Rockets could have gone all in this year, and they would have been better than they probably will be.  But on the flip side, they would not have been as good as they possibly can be if the right trade comes along.  Is that a wise gamble?  I don’t know.  The clock is ticking on Dwight Howard’s prime.
  • Unless it was the case that letting Parsons hit free agency was a condition precedent to Dwight Howard’s signing, on the part of Dan Fegan, Houston’s handling of the Parsons situation goes down, unequivocally as the biggest blunder of Daryl Morey’s career.
  • The team could have brought back Parsons at a shade under $1million next season.  Now, in hopes of securing him long term, they’ve allowed him to walk altogether, to a conference rival.  A horrible miscalculation.
  • This offseason can only be classified as a complete and unmitigated disaster.  Nabbing a star free agent had been Houston’s ultimate end-game all along, as they had refused to take back multi-year contracts in any trade made in-season (see: fake trade deadline, Asik).  They pushed forward all of their chips and whiffed.
  • There is much ire this morning directed towards Daryl Morey.  I don’t know if that’s justified.  As I’ve been saying, this was a colossal miscalculation on his part, but I can never blame a guy for swinging for the fences.  He had a clear and coherent plan and it simply backfired.  Sometimes in life, when you take chances, they don’t pan out.  I have to wonder whether those of you so furious with Morey would prefer he just aimlessly sign the likes of Mo Taylor and Moochie Norris.
  • It appears the “he only treats his players as assets” brigade has found it convenient to rear its head over this turn of events.  Again, I have to point out, if Morey didn’t “treat his players as assets”, we’d still be rolling with a nucleus of Chuck Hayes, Trevor Ariza, Kyle Lowry, and Aaron Brooks.  There would be no Dwight Howard.  You can’t have it both ways.
  • One wonders what caused Morey to exude such confidence regarding an Anthony/whomever signing by going so far as letting Parsons hit free agency.  It almost makes me feel this was a condition set by Fegan.
  • I have agreed with the plan all along and am still in defense of it, in hindsight.  But I think it has to stop now.  They need to use the flexibility saved in a trade in-season, or towards future trades.  But I do not support an eye towards 2015 free agency.  That game has become too great of a gamble.  What we’ve learned is that Dwight Howard was the outlier, not the norm upon which to bet futures.

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  • slick shoes says 3 months ago

    Don't forget that:

    Dirk will be 37-38 1 year from now.......

    Jesus H. Christ! Can he really be that old? Kobe needs to relinquish his claim to "Vino".

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    I'm kind of hoping for this as much as I hate to admit it.


    Don't forget that:

    Dirk will be 37-38 1 year from now........

    And Tyson Chandler is not getting any younger or healthier..........

    And Monte Ellis will all but likely opt out of his contract after the upcoming season for a bigger payday...........

    All is not good in Mavericks Nation although they stole Parsons.
  • slick shoes says 3 months ago

    What if Parsons turns out to be a total (or even partial) bust in Dallas? Good luck trying to move his contract especially with the Player Option in Year 3 at $16 Million....

    I'm kind of hoping for this as much as I hate to admit it.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    I don't feel like tracking down the quote (it was in the chronicle, I think), but Parsons himself said that Morey told him to do what was best for him and go get as big of a contract as possible. They had a nice talk before he signed anything--Parsons, Fegan, and Morey. I don't for one second believe anyone got blind-sided except that Cuban made a savvy move (that may have hamstrung his own team) to pry Parsons away from Houston. Parsons had to let his agent read that thing first before signing it. He knew what it meant to have those kickers, etc. in there. Surely, he had to suspect that signing it might mean his departure. If not, well.... :unsure:


    Parsons agent probably had his attorney write the poison pill contract, so it was Cuban and his attorneys that likely agreed to go for it..........

    For sure, it wasn't just about the money. Parsons contract was all but impossible for the Rockets to trade later if things didn't work out.

    Short term, Morey is being thrown under the bus. What if Parsons turns out to be a total (or even partial) bust in Dallas? Good luck trying to move his contract especially with the Player Option in Year 3 at $16 Million....
  • dkh750il says 3 months ago

    thejohnnygold- sorry.

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    I deleted the thread you started, dkh750il. Please refrain from spamming the boards with redundant posts--once is enough. Thanks :)

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @dkh750il

    good now he can waste his time coaching his players instead of kissing their butts

  • dkh750il says 3 months ago

    Here's McHale's quote on Chandler leaving:

    “We'll have four or five guys in our rotation that weren't in it last year, but I guess that's part of it,” McHale said. “I think everybody would want continuity. Continuity helps everything, but you play the hand you're dealt. Right now, we're not going to have the continuity we'd like."

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24622648/kevin-mchale-on-rockets-moves-i-understand-kind-of-why-we-did-it

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @JG

    totally agree................Parsons knew what he was signing before signing it. he knew what that contract would do to the Rockets. what he was trying to do is make the Rockets accept him as their third star and they refused

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    I just read this.

    No one directly involved with the Parsons negotiations will confirm it, but it is widely suspected around the league that Dan Fegan, the lead agent representing Parsons and Howard, made it clear that accelerating Parsons’s payday was an unofficial part of the Howard contract. The Wizards splurged on Martell Webster last summer in part because Fegan represents both Webster and John Wall, per several league sources. This is not an uncommon thing; the Cavaliers may soon experience it with Thompson.

    Wow.

    I don't feel like tracking down the quote (it was in the chronicle, I think), but Parsons himself said that Morey told him to do what was best for him and go get as big of a contract as possible. They had a nice talk before he signed anything--Parsons, Fegan, and Morey. I don't for one second believe anyone got blind-sided except that Cuban made a savvy move (that may have hamstrung his own team) to pry Parsons away from Houston. Parsons had to let his agent read that thing first before signing it. He knew what it meant to have those kickers, etc. in there. Surely, he had to suspect that signing it might mean his departure. If not, well.... :unsure:

  • slick shoes says 3 months ago

    At that time, no Rockets player had a player option. Part of managing the Salary Cap.

    How many playoff games has Dragic played since returning to Phoenix? You don't have a chance for an NBA Title if you don't even make it into the playoffs.

    True, I would have loved the Rockets keeping Dragic. However, Morey thinks long-terms and not just today and tomorrow. For that I give him much credit.

    I wasn't knocking Morey for not bending to Dragic's demands (much to my dismay as I loved Dragic for our team as much as I did the late Chandler Parsons), I was simply pointing out the irony of the situation. You won't find much negativity in my posts.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    Is that the same 4th year PO that we let him walk over? The ciiiiiircleee of liiiiiiifeeeeee!!!!!!


    At that time, no Rockets player had a player option. Part of managing the Salary Cap.

    How many playoff games has Dragic played since returning to Phoenix? You don't have a chance for an NBA Title if you don't even make it into the playoffs.

    True, I would have loved the Rockets keeping Dragic. However, Morey thinks long-terms and not just today and tomorrow. For that I give him much credit.
  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @TTDN

    I suspected this........even more reason not to match that contract

  • Cooper says 3 months ago The Knicks have been doing stuff like that for a while too. Some agents carry quite a bit of weight and aren't afraid to push teams using their star clients as added leverage to get some lesser talents money.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago I just read this.

    No one directly involved with the Parsons negotiations will confirm it, but it is widely suspected around the league that Dan Fegan, the lead agent representing Parsons and Howard, made it clear that accelerating Parsons’s payday was an unofficial part of the Howard contract. The Wizards splurged on Martell Webster last summer in part because Fegan represents both Webster and John Wall, per several league sources. This is not an uncommon thing; the Cavaliers may soon experience it with Thompson.

    Wow.
  • slick shoes says 3 months ago

    I just checked and Dragic has a Player Option for 2015-16 at $7.5 million. So if Dragic thinks he can sign with another team for more than $7.5 million, he is likely to decline his Player Option and become an UFA the Summer of 2015. Or the Suns could try and negotiate a new (pay raise) contract and keep him. Would they do that if they re-sign Bledsoe as I expect and just traded for I-Thomas? Probably not but who knows............

    Is that the same 4th year PO that we let him walk over? The ciiiiiircleee of liiiiiiifeeeeee!!!!!!

  • bboley24 says 3 months ago

    Yeah give up on LluLL guys.

    A. One of his best friends is Rudy Fernandez

    B. I watched his film... No as good as advertised

    What do you see in this guy? I am no talent scout but he seems like any other player except with some random trick shots.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @Steven

    good because I'm not impressed with him. as for the Bledsoe issue.......I was thinking sign and trade for Bledsoe or maybe a trade for Dragic as rocketrick stated. Phoenix (even though they like to play small) have a stable of point guards.......maybe we can swipe one

  • Steven says 3 months ago F it. He just resigned with Real Madrid on the 8th of July.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    So tell him he will start, if he earns it. Beverly is beatable as the starter. Llull would just have to earn his spot. And if he were to take the Lin spot, he would play 28 minutes a game, that's starters minutes.

    You're preaching to the choir. It's not my decision--it's his and that's what he, or his agent, is saying. I think he is happy where he is and wouldn't want to come over here if it meant he might wind up on the bench. To me, that's a bad sign. One, his attitude. Two, maybe he's not as good as we hope if he's worried about not playing.

  • Steven says 3 months ago

    Yeah, I agree that Bledsoe will most likely be matched and would require an offer we can't afford anyway. Dragic, presuming his play stays consistent is also likely to be out of our price range.

    Llull has always maintained he would only consider coming over if he was the starter. We don't need another Asik situation. Maybe he has changed his tune, but that was the last I heard.

    So tell him he will start, if he earns it. Beverly is beatable as the starter. Llull would just have to earn his spot. And if he were to take the Lin spot, he would play 28 minutes a game, that's starters minutes.
  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Yeah, I agree that Bledsoe will most likely be matched and would require an offer we can't afford anyway. Dragic, presuming his play stays consistent is also likely to be out of our price range.

    Llull has always maintained he would only consider coming over if he was the starter. We don't need another Asik situation. Maybe he has changed his tune, but that was the last I heard.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @rocketrick

    you might have something there

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    Rocket can't get under the cap anymore, would only be able to offer the MLE which Phoenix would defiantly match.

    I would like the Rockets to use the MLE or the other exception contract on Llull. That would be the back-up PG people are clambering for. Can play the point or 2 guard, would be a nice 6th man.


    I just checked and Dragic has a Player Option for 2015-16 at $7.5 million. So if Dragic thinks he can sign with another team for more than $7.5 million, he is likely to decline his Player Option and become an UFA the Summer of 2015. Or the Suns could try and negotiate a new (pay raise) contract and keep him. Would they do that if they re-sign Bledsoe as I expect and just traded for I-Thomas? Probably not but who knows............
  • Steven says 3 months ago

    @JG
    how about Bledsoe? Phoenix just signed I-Thomas form SAC........might be insurance against losing Bledsoe

    Rocket can't get under the cap anymore, would only be able to offer the MLE which Phoenix would defiantly match.

    I would like the Rockets to use the MLE or the other exception contract on Llull. That would be the back-up PG people are clambering for. Can play the point or 2 guard, would be a nice 6th man.
  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    @JG
    how about Bledsoe? Phoenix just signed I-Thomas form SAC........might be insurance against losing Bledsoe


    Let me give you my thoughts:

    Bledsoe is likely going to be matched (unless somebody out there does a Cuban 2.0 offer sheet!)

    Dragic will become a UFA at the end of this season if memory serves.

    Could be that Dragic might be available by the Trade Deadline if that is the case and also perhaps the reason the Suns completed the sign and trade with Sacramento for I-Thomas.
  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @JG

    how about Bledsoe? Phoenix just signed I-Thomas form SAC........might be insurance against losing Bledsoe

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    I like it. I am trying to not get too excited about Gentile....got a good feeling about him. Jermaine O'Neal, Bernard James (if he's healthy), Greg Stiemsma are all decent pick-ups at center. For PG....I don't know....Sessions and Bayless are available.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago Rockets needs:

    Veteran PG backup
    Veteran Backup C
    Veteran backup Wing
  • rocketrick says 3 months ago Which is why Derik needs to come back to Red94 and continue to contribute!

    So with the Rockets signing Capela and Troy Daniels today, here is the current roster as I see it:

    D12
    Harden
    Beverley
    TJones
    Ariza
    Motiejunas
    Troy Daniels
    Nick Johnson
    Isaah Canaan
    Covington
    Capela

    I know there are a couple of others with non-guaranteed contracts like Josh Powell but I'm not certain any of the NGC's as I call them will make the final roster. Perhaps some will compete for a chance in pre-season.

    Assuming the Rockets don't trade any of the 11 players listed above, there is room for 4 additions. Not sure if Gentile will be signed this season, he may be a longer term prospect. LLuol remains interesting, too.

    Thoughts???
  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @Derik K

    totally agree..............rare for a new comer to have your insight

  • Derik K says 3 months ago

    Yes, it would have been nice to have Parsons one more year, for under a million, in hindsight. But, when we were on the verge of signing Bosh, and then, presumably, bringing back Parsons, no one was saying it was a blunder that they declined their option on him. But because Bosh apparently went back on his word and pulled a 180, now it's a blunder for Morey? Because of us being unlucky in not getting Bosh? That's my point. I think Morey put us in the best place to form a super team, and got unlucky. Doesn't make the original decision a mistake.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago However, even by keeping Parsons this season then re-signing him would constrict what the Rockets would have been able to accomplish with the Salary Cap and the CBA Rules.

    On Mark Berman's radio show earlier today, Parsons is quoted saying that he believes he is now a Max Franchise Player and he wanted to treated right now as a Max Franchise Player. That doesn't point to a player that is willing to sign a "friendly" contract with the Rockets, instead he would have chosen free agency under any circumstance in my opinion. Only if Bosh had chosen to come to Houston...................

    I'm alright with the $15 million per year Parsons is getting, although probably 20% too high, but it was the poison pill contract that pointed Parsons to Dallas. Parsons effectively would have been non-tradeable and would have had a player option in 2016, the same season as D12. Both have the same Agent.

    The Rockets would have been severely limited in acquiring the right role players in my estimation by committing the next 3 seasons to the Big 3 of D12, Harden and Parsons. Very likely would have turned out to be a similar result as in Orlando in 2009 especially after the Rockets pay Beverley at the end of this season.
  • Cooper says 3 months ago I get that there's a lot of luck involved, if bosh commits and we match parsons no one thinks twice about making him rfa this year. But the only reason you do that is to keep him long term and we didn't. There was done precedent to parsons value coming into the offseason. Hayward turned Down a big extension from the jazz because he thought he could get max or very near max money. You could argue he's a little better than parsons but there at least in the same range. Maybe he leaves next year or maybe not but we could have had him for cheap and the same cap space we do now to still add a guy then maybe morey and crew are willing to pay more to keep parsons around and make a serious playoff run or two.
  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    I've never posted on any of these things before, but I had to create an account just to address something that's really been bugging me. I keep hearing and reading, from even seemingly intelligent and rational analysts like Rahat, words such as "blunder" and "miscalculation" when address Morey's decisions this offseason.
    This is to suggest there is no luck whatsoever that goes into building a championship team. But I know that no one would argue that. Of course there is luck. Player injuries. Draft lottery placement. And in our case, waffling and stunning reverses by a star player that was pretty much committed to us.
    So I'll make the poker analogy, as you have done a couple times, Rahat. Yes, Morey pushed all his chips in and lost. But when a professional poker player gets it all in with the best hand, and the other player sucks out by hitting a 4-outer, do the analysts say the pro made a blunder or a miscalculation? No of course not, he played it well and got unlucky.
    So, why in God's name do we keep saying this about Morey? Is David Griffin a better GM than Morey because he god Lebron?? No, of course not. Because he got lucky.


    Hey Derik, Welcome to the Red94 Forum and a lot of us would be happy to see you contribute more often when you have the time and compunction (is that the word I'm looking for here?)........

    I pretty much agree with your poker assessment. I think Rahat is thinking about the additional 1-year of Parsons that the Rockets could have had this season if they had chosen the team option for this season and allowed the Rockets 1 additional year of what is likely the most cap friendly contract in the league for a quality player like Parsons. And who knows how things would have turned out after that although I am of the mind Parsons would have then been gone after next season. It's all conjecture at this point.

    Still, I think your poker assessment is a good analogy and I am glad Morey played his hand, so to speak. For 5 hours last Friday the Rockets had the best starting tandem in the NBA. Alas, Bosh chose the Miami lifestyle and money over a chance at additional rings.
  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago

    It seems like Morey does not have a overall vision of this championship team. Wheels are spinning but where are we going?

    If we must trade our assets (players) then it should go with the vision of what this team needs- but it appears that Morey just "swings for the fences" not providing an overall strategy. Here are some of my examples:

    1. clearly if the games vs trailblazers are any indication- we need a better coaching staff. No plays after critical timeouts, or worse, the standard Harden dribble down the clock and heave a last second 3, no screens, no ball movement. Can you say that the Rockets are using D12 correctly? Or is anyone holding Harden to account on D? Players need to be inspired, and held to account, and to believe in the system .

    2. No front office/coaching teamwork- I remember in the 12-13 season when Morris/Patterson/Aldridge was traded- They asked McHale about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said he can only work with the team he has and not the team he wants. Does Morey consult with his coaching staff with changes or just drops a hammer like a dictator?

    3. Is there a vision for a team? I mean we went after Melo/Bosh/LeBron etc. Melo is not a fit for us- 2 ball dominant players do not work! When you look at teams like OKC/CLIPPERS/SPURS/BLAZERS there is team chemistry! We are always saying how people don't fit- i.e. LIN/ASIK- this is the fault of the front office, not the players.

    These are some of the worst ideas I have ever seen posted on this forum. I suggest you move to another forum asap or just stop posting and start reading and learn from posters here, please.

  • dkh750il says 3 months ago

    "All the teams you mentioned with "good chemistry" have two ball dominate players."

    I think it helps when just one of the ball dominant players is the pg.

    westbrook, lillard, cp3, parker

  • Alituro says 3 months ago

    I thought they might all be gone by now.

    Alas, that is not the case :(

    Wait until the press conferences and player intros on the west coast then maybe they'll make like Dobie Gray..

  • thejohnnygold says 3 months ago

    Ha, uojoe82--if you look at those 3 rosters and think ours is the worst then that's all I need to know. Dallas has two of New York's starters from last year--does that sound like success? Raymond Felton....

    646892a82f0e2951e8f767ab4aa7c49db149fd8b

    We all like Tyson Chandler, but he can barely stay healthy and is not the player he was a few years ago. That being said, he's still better than anyone they had last year.

    The Pellies? If you ignore medical history then yes, that's a good looking team. Not sure I'd put them ahead of Houston yet. Once you realize they have no depth and are an Eric Gordon injury (seriously, shouldn't we all be going to Vegas and betting on that?) and an Anthony Davis wrist fracture (he falls down a lot) away from watching Tyreke Evans take 30 shots a game while Jrue Holiday's head explodes once he realizes that Asik can't handle his passes. Oh, and Ryan Anderson....what do they do with him and his broken neck?

  • Derik K says 3 months ago

    I've never posted on any of these things before, but I had to create an account just to address something that's really been bugging me. I keep hearing and reading, from even seemingly intelligent and rational analysts like Rahat, words such as "blunder" and "miscalculation" when address Morey's decisions this offseason.
    This is to suggest there is no luck whatsoever that goes into building a championship team. But I know that no one would argue that. Of course there is luck. Player injuries. Draft lottery placement. And in our case, waffling and stunning reverses by a star player that was pretty much committed to us.
    So I'll make the poker analogy, as you have done a couple times, Rahat. Yes, Morey pushed all his chips in and lost. But when a professional poker player gets it all in with the best hand, and the other player sucks out by hitting a 4-outer, do the analysts say the pro made a blunder or a miscalculation? No of course not, he played it well and got unlucky.
    So, why in God's name do we keep saying this about Morey? Is David Griffin a better GM than Morey because he god Lebron?? No, of course not. Because he got lucky.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago 1) losing Lin will not be addition by subtraction unless you're talking about this board... Lol.

    2) Asik was not negligible, unless you completely throw out the Blazers series.
  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    It seems like Morey does not have a overall vision of this championship team. Wheels are spinning but where are we going?

    If we must trade our assets (players) then it should go with the vision of what this team needs- but it appears that Morey just "swings for the fences" not providing an overall strategy. Here are some of my examples:

    1. clearly if the games vs trailblazers are any indication- we need a better coaching staff. No plays after critical timeouts, or worse, the standard Harden dribble down the clock and heave a last second 3, no screens, no ball movement. Can you say that the Rockets are using D12 correctly? Or is anyone holding Harden to account on D? Players need to be inspired, and held to account, and to believe in the system .

    2. No front office/coaching teamwork- I remember in the 12-13 season when Morris/Patterson/Aldridge was traded- They asked McHale about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said he can only work with the team he has and not the team he wants. Does Morey consult with his coaching staff with changes or just drops a hammer like a dictator?

    3. Is there a vision for a team? I mean we went after Melo/Bosh/LeBron etc. Melo is not a fit for us- 2 ball dominant players do not work! When you look at teams like OKC/CLIPPERS/SPURS/BLAZERS there is team chemistry! We are always saying how people don't fit- i.e. LIN/ASIK- this is the fault of the front office, not the players.

    All the teams you mentioned with "good chemistry" have two ball dominate players.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago

    It seems like Morey does not have a overall vision of this championship team. Wheels are spinning but where are we going?
    If we must trade our assets (players) then it should go with the vision of what this team needs- but it appears that Morey just "swings for the fences" not providing an overall strategy. Here are some of my examples:
    1. clearly if the games vs trailblazers are any indication- we need a better coaching staff. No plays after critical timeouts, or worse, the standard Harden dribble down the clock and heave a last second 3, no screens, no ball movement. Can you say that the Rockets are using D12 correctly? Or is anyone holding Harden to account on D? Players need to be inspired, and held to account, and to believe in the system .
    2. No front office/coaching teamwork- I remember in the 12-13 season when Morris/Patterson/Aldridge was traded- They asked McHale about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said he can only work with the team he has and not the team he wants. Does Morey consult with his coaching staff with changes or just drops a hammer like a dictator?
    3. Is there a vision for a team? I mean we went after Melo/Bosh/LeBron etc. Melo is not a fit for us- 2 ball dominant players do not work! When you look at teams like OKC/CLIPPERS/SPURS/BLAZERS there is team chemistry! We are always saying how people don't fit- i.e. LIN/ASIK- this is the fault of the front office, not the players.


    Aldridge? The Rockets had Aldridge in 2012-13 season and traded him? That was so horrible I guess I forgot.

    Sorry, I totally disagree with your take on certain people like Lin/Asik who clearly don't fit with Harden and D12. ---Sigh--- I guess some people will just never get it. So blame the Coaches and front office for Lin and Asik inability to fit with this team.

    None of us are saying Lin and Asik are bad players. The fact is quite the opposite. They are solid NBA players. Unfortunate timing in that they came before Harden and D12. Otherwise, they likely would have never been here to begin with.

    Time to move on.
  • dkh750il says 3 months ago

    "Just heard that Darryl Morey is getting a divorce. He said he would like to gain some flexibility to chase Victoria Secret models."

    LOL. I almost took that seriously for a moment.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @sax

    WELCOME TO THE FORUM :)Parsons could have been extended, but was due to gain more in FA. so the chance he would choose that path is slim

  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    Just heard that Darryl Morey is getting a divorce. He said he would like to gain some flexibility to chase Victoria Secret models.

  • dkh750il says 3 months ago

    It seems like Morey does not have a overall vision of this championship team. Wheels are spinning but where are we going?

    If we must trade our assets (players) then it should go with the vision of what this team needs- but it appears that Morey just "swings for the fences" not providing an overall strategy. Here are some of my examples:

    1. clearly if the games vs trailblazers are any indication- we need a better coaching staff. No plays after critical timeouts, or worse, the standard Harden dribble down the clock and heave a last second 3, no screens, no ball movement. Can you say that the Rockets are using D12 correctly? Or is anyone holding Harden to account on D? Players need to be inspired, and held to account, and to believe in the system .

    2. No front office/coaching teamwork- I remember in the 12-13 season when Morris/Patterson/Aldridge was traded- They asked McHale about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said he can only work with the team he has and not the team he wants. Does Morey consult with his coaching staff with changes or just drops a hammer like a dictator?

    3. Is there a vision for a team? I mean we went after Melo/Bosh/LeBron etc. Melo is not a fit for us- 2 ball dominant players do not work! When you look at teams like OKC/CLIPPERS/SPURS/BLAZERS there is team chemistry! We are always saying how people don't fit- i.e. LIN/ASIK- this is the fault of the front office, not the players.

  • sax says 3 months ago

    It looks to me as though the logic of making Parson a restricted agent was that Morey found it to be the best way to get a team with four almost max salaries and the best way to go over the cap. It makes most senses.
    The bad side of it is that even though "you do control your destiny" (rockets logic for doing so) t usually the contracts offered for restricted free agent (after good seasons ) are bad contracts .
    For that reason in general the best way with a player you like is to extend him.
    My questions is if someone can answer .
    Since could the Rockets not extended Parsons. then after signing Bosh (lets say he said yes) before the season starts offer Parsons a new contract starting this season for which ever they agree too . This way after one year they will loose Parsons for sure because they won't be able to pay him.
    The only way Morey will give up flexibility is for a team he thinks can win it all

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago



    So: lost Parson, Asik and Lin, three of their better players (obviously not Dwight or harden, but after those two, these three are in the next tier).


    No LBJ, Melo or even Bosh.


    Got Ariza.


    Yeah, disaster. I guess they can still go for Rondo or Love, but... I have a feeling big stars aren't seeing the Rockets as all that appealing. Their performance in the postseason was downright embarrassing (especially their supposed "star", Harden... Dwight, a legitimate star, was awesome).


    So much for the Rockets. I wouldn't be surprised if Dwight jumps ship too. Then Harden can have the ball all to himself, which should make him happy.



    I thought they might all be gone by now.


    It's hard to reason with some fans rockets best fan who don't understand flexibility (not to mention losing Lin will be addition by subtraction and Asik was a negligible factor this past season). We could get locked down and have Blazers type flexibility where fans are forced to cheer for an overpaid Kaman acquisition, what a joke.
  • McG says 3 months ago

    So: lost Parson, Asik and Lin, three of their better players (obviously not Dwight or harden, but after those two, these three are in the next tier).


    No LBJ, Melo or even Bosh.


    Got Ariza.


    Yeah, disaster. I guess they can still go for Rondo or Love, but... I have a feeling big stars aren't seeing the Rockets as all that appealing. Their performance in the postseason was downright embarrassing (especially their supposed "star", Harden... Dwight, a legitimate star, was awesome).


    So much for the Rockets. I wouldn't be surprised if Dwight jumps ship too. Then Harden can have the ball all to himself, which should make him happy.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @oujoe82

    perhaps the concept of flexibility is new to you :lol:it's how we got the two stars we have. staying poised to make big moves as opportunity presents itself and not overpaying inferior talent is wise IMO

    @rocketrick

    I agree I would much rather move forward with what we have than dragging Parsons anvil contract along for the ride.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago Responding to uojoe82's post:

    It can be argued that acquiring Ariza and letting Dallas have Parsons and his poison pill contract is more or less a wash. Ariza is certainly a much better defensive player.

    Neither Lin nor Asik fit with this roster. Nothing more needs to be said about that. Remember, both were signed BEFORE the Rockets acquired Harden and D12. And both Lin and Asik is in the final year of their respective contracts.

    Keep in mind the Rockets acquired a lottery pick from the Pelicans in the Asik trade. The last time the Rockets had a lottery pick, guess what, it turned into James Harden.

    True, to begin this upcoming season, the Rockets will be somewhat weakened. However, I agree with what Morey said on local radio this morning, that by the end of this season, the Rockets should actually have a much better team. Will they win the title this upcoming season? Quite unlikely. But neither are the Mavericks who committed to a Big 3 of Dirk, Monte Ellis and Chandler Parsons.

    Lastly, if the Rockets did match Parsons, then they would have very little flexibility to make any additional necessary moves to improve their roster. By letting Parsons go, they have ample cap space, as you noted in your post, plus with all the exceptions they now have and the MLE and BAE, they can make solid moves to shore up their roster this season and have the ability to offer the max contract next summer to the next group of free agents.

    Let's face it, by not making these moves, the Rockets weren't going to get any better this season. They had mismatched players taking up most of the playing minutes and likely would have continued to muddle towards another 50-win season and quite possibly another 1st round knockout.

    I'd much rather have the today's team knowing that Morey has tremendous flexibility to find new players that can fit in much better around Harden, D12, Beverley and Ariza going forward. Plus we have some really nice youngsters, TJones, Motiejunas, Troy Daniels (assuming Rockets re-sign him which I expect they will), Canaan and Nick Johnson. I'd much rather see these guys get meaningful minutes to see what they can become this season then waste 1 more year on giving minutes to Lin and Asik who everyone knows wouldn't be here for the longterm anyway and certainly were not good fits to build around Harden and D12.
  • uojoe82 says 3 months ago

    The Bummer Summer,

    Marc Stein reported that the Rockets didn't match on Parson's because they wanted flexibility in chasing star players.

    It's time to stop. The Rockets just let go of 3 quality pieces (Asik, Lin, Parsons) in their futile attempt at Bosh and have nothing to show for it except Trevor Ariza,

    So lets recap the off-season thus far:

    Additions:

    Trevor Ariza

    2015 First Round Pick from the Pelicans

    Subtractions:

    Jeremy Lin

    Omar Asik

    Chandler Parsons

    Omri Casspi

    2016 First Round Pick

    Its safe to say that looking at this team in a vacuum the 2014-15 Rockets are a less talented squad then the 2013-14 Rockets. Looking how the Rockets transactions have affected the Western Conference it looks as though they have also assisted in making 2 teams below them in the standings last year much better.

    Look at the starting lineups for the Rockets, Pelicans, and Mavericks

    Rockets:

    PG Beverley

    SG Harden

    SF Ariza

    PF Jones

    C Howard

    Pelicans

    PG Holliday

    SG Eric Gordon

    SF Tyreke Evans

    PF Anthony Davis

    C Omar Asik

    Mavericks

    PG Felton

    SG Ellis

    SF Parsons

    PF Dirk

    C Chandler

    Just looking at the starting 5's of these three teams I'm not even sure if you could say that the Rockets 5 is the best. And then if you dig a little deeper and look at depth the Rockets finish last in that category.

    The Rockets aren't done yet but there isn't anyone left (via Free Agency) that can help.

    With the addition of Ariza it still looks like the Rockets have a lot of cap space (see calculation below):

    2014-15 Salaries (all figures in millions)

    Howard $21.44

    Harden $14.73

    Jones $1.6

    D MO $1.4

    Beverley $0.9

    Covingtion $0.82

    Canaan $0.82

    Ariza $8.0

    Nick Johnson $0.85 (pure guess based on last years second round picks salaries)

    That only adds up to $50.5 Million (salary cap is $63.065 million), leaving a difference of about $12.5 million. Since it looks like the team only has 9 players so far (assuming Nick Johnson makes the team) that leaves 3 roster spots which require cap holds of about $.55 million each or $1.65 million total. That leaves roughly $11 million in cap space,

    As we've seen so far this off season free agents aren't jumping at the chance to play on this team. And who is left?

    Some notable names that havent signed yet:

    Ray Allen - Probably not interested

    Alan Anderson- Good defender, doesn't offer much else

    Jarryd Bayless-

    Elton Brand - yes, he's still in the league

    Aaron Brooks- Could probably just tell the post office to stop forwarding his mail to Denver

    Jordan Crawford- 2013 Eastern Conference player of the week

    Ed Davis- Good quality player but not sure the Rockets need another young PF

    Toney Douglas- Mchale favorite

    Jimmer Fredette- Just looking for the right situation?

    Jermaine O'Neal- gave GSW good minutes in playoffs last year. Maybe he's got another year left in the tank

    Luke Ridnour- Essentially Toney Douglas but more susceptible to sun burns.

    Evan Turner- Averaged 18 ppg before the trade, only about 7ppg after the trade. Rumored to have been the reason the Pacers plummeted to end the regulars season. Still a nice player. Can be a secondary ball handler. Maybe give him 1 year $8 million and see what happens?

    Charlie Villannueava- HAHAHAHA

    Mo WIlliams- interesting if they signed both him and Troy Daniels

    Even if Morey signed the best three players on the list above the Rockets still are worse off than where they were when the playoffs ended. They also dont have any assets of value to trade for Rondo or Love.

    Its hard to have one all-star. Harder to get 2 all stars. Near impossible to get three all stars. Not sure if its Morey or Leslie Alexander who is hell bent on having three stars but this off season has been a huge blender so far. If the last 2 years were two steps forward this season might be one step back. Not signing Parsons to keep flexibility to chase the big names? The 2015 free agent market is void of big names besides K Love and Aldridge. Aldridge isnt going anywhere and K Love will probably be traded and commit to whoever he gets traded to this season for a long term deal.

    No one can say that Morey isn't trying, but shouldn't he be trying something else.

  • rocketrick says 3 months ago I am in agreement with pretty much everything Rahat posted in his article. The only thing I would add is that if Morey and Alexander had decided to keep Parsons one more year then allow him to be an Unrestricted Free Agent next season, to me that is a much more bold gamble than the one they chose instead.

    Keep in mind at the beginning of free agency (July 1) there was much less certainty that Chris Bosh would be in play. So I really do believe their first option truly was Carmelo. As it turned out and which no one needs to be reminded of, Chris Bosh turned out to be the guy the Rockets pushed all the chips on the table on.

    Dallas clearly overpayed for Parsons and Cuban has decided that Parsons along with Dirk and Monte Ellis are his Big 3. Good luck with that, I certainly don't see the Mavericks challenging for the NBA Title with that strategy. The Mavericks certainly will be a playoff team assuming no major injuries.

    Is this what everyone that is blasting Morey now wanted? By matching Parsons, the Rockets in effect would have made the statement that for the next 3 seasons our Big 3 would be D12, Harden and Parsons. Just like the Mavericks Big 3 listed above, not good enough to challenge for the NBA Title, but obviously more than enough to make the playoffs, probably get into the second round at best.

    By the time Bosh finally made his decision, just hours after Lebron chose to go to Cleveland, he decided to stay where he was comfortable and be the max guy. I can't blame him for that, he has 2 rings (not of his doing, just being in the right place at the right time in my honest assessment) and he seems OK with the possibility of no more rings the next 5 years. He chose money over a strong possibility of more rings.

    It has been reported today by ESPN that the Rockets are now targeting Kevin Love and Rajon Rondo. To me that makes the most sense, to continue the saga of locking in a Big 3 that can seriously contend for Championships.

    Yes, the Rockets as some on this board have said, clearly have whiffed thus far and I would agree they have a weaker roster now than going into free agency. Morey still has around $10 million or so in cap room to make moves plus the exceptions, so I would clearly expect that Morey will look to fill in the holes with short-term contracts and non-guaranteed contracts when possible.

    For sure the Rockets need a solid backup PG and more help in the blocks for D12 along with a PF that can do battle with the likes of Blake Griffin, Zack Randolph, LaMarcus Aldridge. I doubt Morey will find the absolute perfect free agents now that the second tier is pretty much gone, too. There could be some trades down the road, too, in season to continue trying to strengthen the team.

    Finally, I am in Rahat's corner that the Rockets shouldn't try and wait for 2015 free agency. I assume if they do, it is because they exhausted all possibilities they will obviously continue to explore the rest of this summer up to the Trade Deadline in February.

    Short-term, yes the Rockets are not as solid and deep. However, Morey's masterpiece is yet unfinished. And let's face it, the Lin and Asik moves made perfect sense. Neither are good fits for this roster and now other players will have the opportunity to step up and play those minutes. The loss of Parsons really hurts in my eyes. However, by keeping him one more year under his original contract and then letting him walk in unrestricted free agency after next season would have only delayed the inevitable.
  • bob schmidt says 3 months ago

    @RBF

    Budding and being in full bloom are distinctly different. If you are right that he has already peaked, then you are also right that the money is too much. That will become clearer within a couple of years. As to team chemistry, Ariza was always pouting and seemed unhappy most of the time when he was with us before... CP doesn't walk around with a stink cloud over his head, but I don't know how much you pay for that. One thing is sure, 15M is a lot of salary however you look at it.

  • miketheodio says 3 months ago

    So we lost our secondary and third option playmakers and are left with only Harden. While Ariza is your typical 3 and D wing that will fit with Harden, he's not a playmaker. So we still need to fill that role unless we believe Beverley can take some of that slack up. I'm afraid that asking Bev to do more will expose the flaws in his game and rather than be a great asset, he'll struggle next year with more responsibility. Normally that wouldn't be a huge problem with a great system in place, but our system is predicated on driving and dishing and I don't see us being able to be as effective with Bev/Ariza as the primary options(when Harden sits) and as the secondary options when Harden's in the game.

    terrence jones is... point forward :ph34r:

  • feelingsupersonic says 3 months ago

    @Doug

    That's a very good post and thanks for the information on some of the statistic comparisons between Ariza and Parsons.

    @timetodie

    I agree that big contracts are about to be not as burdensome as one might think in the near future once the new television deal between FOX and ESPN gets sorted and maybe next year or 2016 is the year to start throwing money around. Does anyone know about how the incremental salary cap increases will project once it begins to increase? I do not believe it will be an immediate jump but I am not sure.

    @rockets best fan

    Totally agree, you don't pay players like Parsons you find them and imagine if he had stayed how much sway Fagan, Howard and Parsons would have in 2016. No way Morey sets himself up to play that game with that agent.

  • Alituro says 3 months ago

    The Rockets' bolstering and fawning over Parsons in recent weeks was all part of the plan. Their public statements about their intentions to re-sign him (at any cost) was followed by a wink in Fegan's and Parson's direction. Morey knew one of his adversaries would jump at the chance to stick us with what they thought was a $15million/year max role player. But, it backfired on Cuban, and rightfully so. There was no way Parsons would command that kind of money unrestricted.

    To Parsons: You're welcome

    To Cuban: I hope you choke on it!

    To recap the offseason so far... We got a marginal upgrade for Parsons at a discount. We've dumped Asik and LIn and cleared $16million off the books. We are in no worse position than we ended the season, if not slightly better. At least we know we won't lose what amounted to at least 8 games to bone-headed decision making from an overrated guard (is it safe yet?). And we've got cap room to make one more serious move if it comes our way, or to build up a roster of adequate role players. Either way, as I'm disappointed (of Course) that we lost on Melo and Bosh, I think the jury is still out on our offseason grades. There is something, for sure, up Morey's sleeves, either big or little, he's not done yet.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @TTDN

    Parsons contract is a poison pill. not only does he make too much. it had a15% trade kicker that prevented it from being used in trade and he could opt out after 2 years to go for an even bigger deal at the same time as D-12. if the Rockets had sign that offer sheet we would only be kicking the can down the road to create a bigger problem in 2 years

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago

    Would you have paid him 10 million? Because in 2 years the projected cap space is 90 million so both are about 15% of the cap. I think these new contracts should take that into account. While it's overpaying him now, that third year is not as bad as it looks.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @bob schmidt

    Parsons a budding star? what player have you been watching? Parsons talents had peaked. what you see is what you get. he is a very good role player........not a star. hence my point he didn't deserve star money

  • bob schmidt says 3 months ago

    Yes, the sun rose this morning. That being said, I did not hear the rooster crowing. Seems that he was upset that someone, a Cuban, had raided the henhouse...

    Said rooster surveyed the havoc wrought by the unwelcomed raid, and faced the new reality facing his prized clutch. In addition to the singular loss of CP, several key pieces responsible for last year's success also must be replacedfor a successful upcoming season. No, there will be little to crow about unless something quite magical is upcoming.

    Having waxed poetically, now let me express myself more clearly... Houston really laid an egg over the past couple of weeks, and it should have been predictable. Maybe Mr. Morey has finally outsmarted himself. Parsons was a budding star created through a successful draft from an unlikely second round draft position.Prediction: His locker room presence will be sorely missed, as will his production.

    So, if there is to be a resolution that changes things from my perspective, we need to see an unlikelymiracle sometime soon. Trade for Love or Goran Dragic and I might justhear the local rooster crow as a future sunrise looms. Otherwise, our current henhouse will probably find it difficult to scratch up enough wins to even make this year's playoffs.Sometimes you get chickens, and sometimes youget feathers. At this point, you can't see the chickens for all the feathers...

  • Cooper says 3 months ago

    Current roster we are much closer to the 8th seed than the 4th we had last year. Parsons would have been overpaid but he isn't Amare or Boozer it wouldn't be hard to get out of his or Arizas contract we weren't locked into anything anymore than we are locked into a mediocre team as currently constructed. Our defense won't be much better unless Jones figures out basic principles and Harden suddenly feels the need to actually try and our offense got worse with Harden being the only real off the dribble threat.

  • Doug says 3 months ago

    I tried to post this and it didn't seem to work, so my apologies if the below appears twice.

    * * *

    I disagree that Morey made the wrong call about making Parsons a restricted free agent this year. It was entirely unforeseeable that someone would offer Parsons a max contract. It’s entirely irrational for the Mavericks to do what they did, and they are going to pay for it by not having an elite team for the next few years. It was much more realistic that he’d be offered something in the 9-12 range, which we could have matched. That was preferable to his being a free agent in 2016 where he could go wherever he wanted, including going to a team that could give him more money and more of a starring role. Moreover, the salary cap keeps going up each year, so Morey might very well have believed he could get him for a lower number on the market this year compared to next. Additionally, he might have thought the fact that he was a restricted free agent might have suppressed his value a little bit. Thus, at the time he made the decision he did, I think he made the right call.

    Moreover, even in retrospect, I think it was the better decision because I think Ariza is a significant upgrade over Parsons. I think we all agree that Ariza is a better defender, which is something this team needs. Moreover, I think Ariza is a slightly superior offensive player. Ariza’s true shooting percentage last year was 59%. Parson’s was 56.5%. One talking point of every article about Ariza is that he was a more efficient scorer last year -- and that it was because it was a contract year. But the numbers tell a different story. Last year Ariza shot significantly more corner threes than he had in prior years in his career. Per NBA.com, he shot 180 corner threes last year (hitting them at a 45% clip). The prior two years combined he shot 124 (and hit them at a similar rate). Four years ago, when he played for the Rockets, he shot only 89 corner threes (hitting them at a 37% rate). Thus, there is every reason to believe that Ariza’s increased offensive production will remain at a relatively similar level as it was last year, given that the Rockets encourage corner threes. His increased numbers are really a function of his decision to take more efficient shots. Moreover, he’s also a slightly better rebounder than Chandler, albeit he gets less assists. Moreover, you must remember that the Rockets play at a very fast past, whereas the Wizards played at a very slow pace. According to espn’s numbers, the Rockets played at the fifth fastest pace, whereas the Wizards played at the nineteenth fastest pace. That means Chandler's per game numbers will be artificially inflated a bit compared to Ariza's. Thus, even assuming Parson’s improves his game this year -- and remember that Parson’s shooting percentages actually decreased this past year -- I think Ariza will likely be a slightly better offensive player than Parsons. So, we have a better player at a better salary. Also, for those who value such things, Ariza is a veteran who has won a NBA championship.

    I also wonder if Ariza conditioned his signing on the Rockets declining Parson’s option. I could see Ariza not wanting to play on the same team as Parsons, given that he would eat into his minutes. If the choice was Ariza on his contract or Parsons on his, I think it’s a no brainer who you choose.

    Finally, the team will be better next year. The team lost a few games early because of the inability to play Howard and Asik. We have a lot of younger players who such improve, especially Jones. And, as I said, Ariza is an upgrade over Howard. That could easily work out to a 4-6 game improvement, which could make us a 60-win team.

  • rockets best fan says 3 months ago

    @Rahat

    I disagree. I don't know if Fegan had some sort of wink wink deal with Morey, but it does sound possible. I don't think we lost that much ground off last years team. Parsons and Ariza are close enough in talent to minimize the drop off at SF, moving Lin is addition by subtraction and I didn't want to see another year of Asik's pouting. SO WHAT DID WE REALLY LOSE BY SWINGING FOR THE FENCE? Parsons isn't worth 15 mil per under any conditions. ask yourself this...............if we sign Parsons knowing what it will do to our cap......are we then good enough to be on level with OKC? how about the Clippers? fact is Morey knows we aren't as good with Parsons to compete with those teams and won't settle for 2nd best. we are trying to build a championship team not just a good one. your notion of panic seems to be that we are somehow wasting D-12's prime. I disagree with you on how long and how muchhe has left. we have not neared panic stage. I want to win the championship tomorrow too, but it's a process and one that is very hard to short cut. I STILL BELIEVE IN MOREY. he hasn't made any move that I would not have made myself. he didn't have the advantage of looking into a crystal ball. do I wish things had turned out differently.......YES, but I still think when confronted with our problems Morey responded correctly. with Parson and some other tweak pieces we were not going to win the championship, so don't tie yourself to that team........that's what Morey really did and I agree with that opinion

  • timetodienow1234567 says 3 months ago

    Lin was not a good fit for the starting lineup because he was a point guard that had sub-par catch and shoot abilities. He improved those while he was here, but not enough to stay. Lin needed the ball in his hands to be effective as a play maker and with Harden as the primary ball handler and Parsons as the secondary playmaker, Lin's greatest strength was redundant.(this post isn't about lin by the way just making a point about how we might not have lost much with Lin since we had Parsons, the absence of both will be more noticeable).

    So we lost our secondary and third option playmakers and are left with only Harden. While Ariza is your typical 3 and D wing that will fit with Harden, he's not a playmaker. So we still need to fill that role unless we believe Beverley can take some of that slack up. I'm afraid that asking Bev to do more will expose the flaws in his game and rather than be a great asset, he'll struggle next year with more responsibility. Normally that wouldn't be a huge problem with a great system in place, but our system is predicated on driving and dishing and I don't see us being able to be as effective with Bev/Ariza as the primary options(when Harden sits) and as the secondary options when Harden's in the game.

    Secondly, while we're probably not going to slide very much, if any, in the regular season win/loss column, I don't see how we beat the Blazers/Clippers/Thunder/etc... without a second big to defend the power forwards. If we move Dwight onto them, we lose our rim protector with all of those guys able to hit long 2s/3s.

    On a side note, I'm waiting to judge this offseason for a few days, until the rest of the free agents are signed. But if it ended right now, it was a disaster.

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