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Houston Rockets 109, Charlotte Bobcats 95 – Rockets made to work hard for their win

In a game like this against one of the worst teams in the league, the worst thing you can do is come out slow and complacent. Charlotte is not a team with a big come back in them. By putting up a big 20+ lead early and knocking the belief out of a team used to losing, you ensure you can relax later in the night, perhaps playing the reserves for a stretch.  The mantra of “good teams know what to do in the crunch” isn’t really true, after all – if the level of the two teams is disparate enough, the better team should be pulling away in the first three quarters and not allowing there to even be a crunch time. The goal for the Rockets tonight was not just to win – that was expected – but to win comfortably against a team that is still in the NBA basement and only one year removed from the worst season in NBA history.

At the start of the first quarter, it seemed as though the Rockets had taken the advice to heart. A combination of Lin being pesky in the passing lanes (two early steals) and some good defensive possessions from Patterson meant that it took 3:41 for the Bobcats to register their first field goal. When the lead stretched to 16-4 after back-to-back three pointers from Parsons, the Rockets had made things look so easy that it felt inevitable they would streak off into the distance and leave Charlotte in the dust. Things didn’t continue that way though. On the offensive end, the presence of Biyombo seemed to blunt Lin’s drives somewhat, and the resulting kick-outs didn’t quite give the open looks you’d like. At the other end, Sessions and Walker were able to dial up their driving game to cause some threat. The net result was that they were able to bring the game back to within 5 at the end of the quarter.

There was an interesting development as the subs started to filter into the game – for tonight at least, Cole Aldrich appeared to have taken Greg Smith’s spot in the rotation. I’m unaware of any injuries to Smith, so perhaps McHale was taking the opportunity of weaker opposition to reassess Aldrich. Smith hasn’t been as effective in recent weeks, perhaps causing his grip on the backup C position to weaken slightly. Aldrich was able to find some openings out of the pick-and-roll for some easy buckets. The rotations from Charlotte were nothing to write home about and once the Rockets became attuned to this they were able to repeatedly hit the big man (Aldrich initially, and later Asik once he checked back in) for easy looks. Defensively though, Aldrich was unable to replicate Asik’s defensive dependability and was frequently late or out of position to help when Charlotte drove at the rim.

During the second quarter, the Bobcats continued to hang around. In general they did not look especially potent in the half-court, but they would run whenever they could and were able to cash in on a substantial number of transition opportunities. Earlier in the season the Rockets’ transition defense was a point of concern, and it’s still looking very permissive. As the quarter drew on though, the lead started to stretch because the Rockets were also off and running. They won the half 19-15 on fast-break points, and the real scoreboard was also firmly in their favour at 62-51.

The two standout performers overall in the half was Parsons, who racked up 19 points by halftime. He got them in a nice mix – there were the three pointers, there were some drives to the rim, and some easy buckets on the break. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention his tip jam (first we’ve seen from him in a long while) off an Asik free throw miss. He came flying in from the three point line in a fashion reminiscent of the current Bobcat’s owner, it was very impressive.

The third quarter started out promisingly enough. The lead was teased out to 15 points as James Harden shook off a quiet (by his standards) first half with 7 quick points. But all of a sudden the Rockets started settling too much for the jumper and missing. Hesitation started creeping into the game – players were passing up open shots ending up with worse ones. Asik went to the bench, and in his place Aldrich could not provide either the same solidity on the defensive end or the same persistence on the offensive glass. Jeff Taylor was instrumental in closing the gap, ending the quarter with perfect 6-6 shooting numbers. The ground between the two teams was being eaten up before your eyes on the court, and when the dust had settled at the end of the quarter the lead was just 2.

So, after a puke-worthy end to the third quarter (true story actually – I’m suffering from a bad cough at the moment and genuinely did have to go and sit with my head over the toilet bowl for a few minutes between quarters), the fourth quarter started with one of the scariest things you’ll see on a basketball court – a player passed out unconscious. Michael Kidd Gilchrist was contesting a Toney Douglas layup attempt on the break, and in absorbing the contact was thrown backwards into an onrushing Jeff Taylor. He caught what appeared to be a hip to the back of the head and collapsed in a heap under the basket, where he lay for quite some time. After a long stoppage he was stretchered off – hopefully he is alright. The Rockets broadcast didn’t give any updates on his condition.

Once play continued, momentum continued to swing towards the Bobcats. Ben Gordon is always a threat to suddenly get hot, and he nailed back-to-back three pointers to suddenly open up a 5 point lead. The spectre of the jump-pass had returned, with Lin committing a couple of turnovers by looking for the kick-out too late to be able to do anything else. You could see the Bobcats picking up more and more confidence with every possession. Jumpers were hitting nothing but net and their rotations looked a lot sharper on the defensive end. If the Rockets were going to turn it around, they needed someone to start stepping up.

As it turned out, that person was Patrick Patterson. Coach Dunlap decided to put a small lineup on the floor – four shooters spacing the floor around Biyombo. Smallball has become the trendy tactic recently, but what ensued was a triumph for traditional lineups. Patterson started out with a couple of important three pointers that ensured his man had to pay attention to him, then took advantage of his smaller defender (6’7″ Taylor had the duty) to get free inside. Add in some energetic running on the break, and you end up with a grand total of 14 fourth quarter points for him, enough to break the Bobcats’ resistance and lead the Rockets to a relieving 14 point victory.

A few more thoughts in bullet point form:

  • James Harden put the icing on the cake once the pendulum had swung back to the Rockets for the last time by recording his first career triple double. There was no point in the proceedings when he could have been said to have been dominating, but he did an excellent job in the pick and roll all night. There were a lot of very nice feeds to the big men that show up in his assist totals, and he was able to get to 21 points on only 11 shots, once again displaying his customary efficiency.
  • One of the storylines coming into the game tonight was whether Jeremy Lin would be able to better his performance in the matchup between these two teams, when he was comprehensively outplayed by Kemba Walker.  Lin had hands in the passing lanes all night to end up with three steals, and a couple of very nice individual plays against Walker. On one possession he completely fooled Walker with a crossover (there was a very audible expletive from Kemba as Lin slid past him), but unfortunately the end product wasn’t there so it probably won’t make the highlight reels. In the second half, Jeremy appeared to have been beaten on a back door cut to the basket only to somehow recover and deny the shot at the rim. The downside to what appeared to be some extra effort was that he got back into the bad habit of the jump-pass, as I mentioned earlier. Biyombo can be a pretty imposing figure to drive into the lane against, but in previous games when confronted with that situation Lin would have kept his dribble alive and continued to probe for an opening.
  • Overall, I would grade the Aldrich experiment as a failure. He had a couple of decent finishes in the pick-and-roll, but those are Smith’s bread and butter anyway. Apart from that there were few positives to be gleaned. He looked weak defensively (there’s a good reason why the team was +26 when Asik was on the floor but -12 when Aldrich was) and wasn’t able to attack the offensive glass anywhere near as well as Asik or Smith does. I’d prefer to keep Smith in the backup centre position for now.
  • Jeff Adrien was one of the Rockets’ D-League callups last season. In the limited minutes we got to see him for, I felt as though he was lacking the athleticism that he would need to succeed at the NBA level given his lack of size. Patrick Patterson definitely won the battle of the PFs tonight, but it’s good to see the guy get a longer shot at playing his way into a long term NBA role.
  • Delfino played only 7 minutes tonight before leaving with a strained elbow. According to Feigen this is an issue that has been around for a while, but flared up especially badly tonight. It remains to be seen whether he’ll have recovered for the first tilt of the year against the Warriors on Tuesday.

 

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  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Without a doubt I remember RedStewie. That dude was a headache and I had just started moderating so it was a good crash course and I will leave it at that. I wouldn't insult anyone by comparing them to RedStewie though, and some of us may have very different opinions on the coaches, players and the front office but I believe we are for the most part Rockets fans first. Here on Red94 there is a level of respect and I believe some people come here with strong opinions but once they get a few good debates under their belt perhaps some opinions get tempered or maybe at least members learn to see that there is almost always more than one way to look at any scenario. Let's all keep those standards up.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    thejohnnygold, on 05 February 2013 - 16:03 PM said:


    ...and the broken record keeps on skipping.....

    Look, no one is saying Harden's defense isn't lacking. I am simply putting forth the idea that, given his physical attributes and the video evidence from the past, he can play defense and if it were solely a lack of effort McHale would let him know. Nobody gets a free pass. It seems to me to be by design--for better or worse. Not excusing him. Just my opinion.

    as for Parsons' numbers...I acknowledged that I wasn't able to confirm he was actually guarding those players all the time. Yet, Parsons' +/- numbers are legit regardless of who he guards. When he is on the court the Rockets excel and opponents drop off. I'll take 5 guys like that, please. Oh, and nba.com has some pretty good stats and splits to look at. That's where my numbers came from.

    And Rockets Best Fan, totally agree about Lin's bad habit of "Leaping before you look". Remember, the Rockets, as a team, average 1.7 years of experience (take Delfino out and it is 1.35). They will get better at a lot of these amateur/rookie mistakes. It's difficult to break bad habits that used to work when you were playing inferior talent. They will learn.
    totally agree this record is broken. reminds me of Redstewie...........feelingsupersonic remember him? dicussing topics with him was like beating a dead horse :lol: once he gets locked into a line of thought it was impossible to get him to budge facts or no facts. we got into it a few times if I recall correctly :lol: at least now we can have dicussions without the name calling :rolleyes: I like this forum because there seems to be a level of respect even if we differ on opinions. I read chron.com sometimes and the below level trash talking is pitiful. on here their appears to be a good core group of people who love the rockets, are knowledgable, and back their statements up with facts. everything a forum should be :rolleyes:
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    timetodienow1234567, on 05 February 2013 - 14:16 PM said:


    Harden has all of the physical attributes except size and it grates on me the lack of effort he gives on that end. But if I mention it, people on this board seem to get onto me saying it's because he's saving it for offense. Will a team of a defense only Asik and an offense only Harden win a championship?


    This team is not built to win a championship as currently constructed. It will not be a championship team next year either if the roster remains relatively unchanged. This is a team that is in the midst of finding the core and establishing a winning team culture. I am pretty sure a few years from now Harden will play some serious defense in deep playoff runs, probably against his former teammates among others.

    Can we ease up on the criticism of Harden's defense because it's a broken record that won't stop and there definitely are more interesting things to discuss with regards to the Rockets in my opinion, I dunno call me crazy.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago There are different defensive ideologies and schemes. If you look at the teams with guards at the top of the steals list they all have one thing in common: dominant defensive bigs behind them that allow for more gambling around the perimter. Here are the top 8:

    Chris Paul
    Mike Conley
    Jeremy Lin
    Russell Westbrook
    Kemba Walker
    Monta Ellis
    Rajon Rondo
    James Harden

    I do not think it is a coincidence that both Lin and Harden are top 8. I think it is in Houston's philosophy to forgo traditional man-up defense and try for steals while relying on Asik's dominance to supplement the often bad perimeter D. More than one way to skin a cat....especially if we have guards that, for one, is limited in lateral movement and susceptible to fakes and crossovers, and for the other, is our star scorer and leader that we need to keep active and on the court for offense.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago TTDN, I wouldn't take it so literally. If this were true, it would probably be more like, "don't pick up cheap fouls. Take the weakest player on the opposing team, lag off him and let him launch threes if he likes (odds are he is a low % shooter), funnel any drives to Asik, and go for steals.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago defense makes you tired, we need harden's energy on offense.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago I just don't think a coach would tell his player, don't play defense. Maybe it's true, but this is the same guy that had KG in Minnesota. It seems crazy to me.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago ...and the broken record keeps on skipping.....

    Look, no one is saying Harden's defense isn't lacking. I am simply putting forth the idea that, given his physical attributes and the video evidence from the past, he can play defense and if it were solely a lack of effort McHale would let him know. Nobody gets a free pass. It seems to me to be by design--for better or worse. Not excusing him. Just my opinion.

    as for Parsons' numbers...I acknowledged that I wasn't able to confirm he was actually guarding those players all the time. Yet, Parsons' +/- numbers are legit regardless of who he guards. When he is on the court the Rockets excel and opponents drop off. I'll take 5 guys like that, please. Oh, and nba.com has some pretty good stats and splits to look at. That's where my numbers came from.

    And Rockets Best Fan, totally agree about Lin's bad habit of "Leaping before you look". Remember, the Rockets, as a team, average 1.7 years of experience (take Delfino out and it is 1.35). They will get better at a lot of these amateur/rookie mistakes. It's difficult to break bad habits that used to work when you were playing inferior talent. They will learn.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Douglas is a decent 3rd string PG. I don't think he's a quality backup PG, but that's just my opinion. Lin is a decent starter, not an all-star, but he's light-years better than Toney Douglas. Beverley just looks lost out there sometimes. I like Lin and want him to succeed, but not over the rest of the Rockets. However, the two aren't mutually exclusive. When Lin is in the game and being aggressive, everybody gets better looks. Parsons/Delfino/Harden get less contested shots(some wide open), Asik/Patterson get some easy buckets as well(Asik's are all dunks since he can't shoot yet). So I guess I don't understand that when watching the game others don't see the same thing as I see. While Lin is not the 1v1 defender Douglas is, he is just as good on team defense, most of the time. He funnels his guy into Asik rather than letting him go by on the other side for a free lay-in. I think this team could take the next step if Harden learned to play some defense. It's hard to win if you have more than one defensive liability. A la Nash/Nowitzki, Nash/STAT. Lin will get even better at reading guys for tells and compensating for lack of quickness, but you can't teach speed. Harden has all of the physical attributes except size and it grates on me the lack of effort he gives on that end. But if I mention it, people on this board seem to get onto me saying it's because he's saving it for offense. Will a team of a defense only Asik and an offense only Harden win a championship? I don't think so. We all acknowledge Asik's faults, but it seems some are blind as to Harden's. We're all happy with Harden, but that doesn't mean there's not a LOT of room to grow.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago datruth, I am pretty sure no one here has been beating the drum for Toney Douglas and in fact at the beginning of the season this forum was generally very critical of his play. You would not know that since you have been on the Red94 for about 2 weeks so before you make judgements and generalizations about forum members here I suggest you spend a little more time as a forum member. Also if you think someone's facts are "way off" as you write then write why, otherwise your dismissal of johnnygold's post holds no weight and further weakens your position.
  • datruth says 1 YEAR ago in sports you suceed when you are in rhythm. Lin had it going in 1st quarter against the bobcats, but your coach mchale then benches him. Patterson should have played more minutes, but again that's Mchale. No need for the coach to bench lin while the team was in rhythm. Everyone wants douglass to play he averages 1 assist per game and plays pg and shoots less than 40 %. Your information about who is playing defense and whose not is way off, but who cares. In the new age of sports where everybody is trying to get theirs first. I'm impress with the kid, because everytime someone holds him down or knocks him down he gets back up. no other player on that team would have survived with what mchale has done to him this year. only 2 pg average more steals a game than lin and that's cp3 and conley, he is in the top 7 in blocks by pgs guards as well, but again who cares. i'm pretty sure if the kid does well in houston he will get benched and if he doesn't he will still get benched.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago if we didn't have asik in the paint opposing point guards would be on a layup drill with lin guarding them. even though lin's defense is bad I can live with that. my main problem with lin is to often I see him leave his feet with nowhere to go with the basketball. this is a major fault for a point guard (IMO). the point guard should never have to give up the dribble unless passing or shooting and should never ever jump into the air with no outlet. the fact mc hale has not called him out for it is distrubing to me. this is bad fundamentally. more often than not it leads to a turnover. am I the only one watching this? this is his #1 problem. like I said b4 the defense is bad, but this I can't live with
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.


    It is hard to quantify a player's defensive proficiency. Since I don't get to watch most games I can't use the eye test. So, to the numbers!

    Typically Parsons takes the opponents strongest wing player; although, as we know he does slide to the 4 at times. Usually it is a 2 or a 3 though.

    Here are some head to head stats showing a players' FG% when Parsons is guarding them and their usual average in parenthesis. I will also include the +/- even though I don't care much for that stat.

    Kevin Durant: 43% (52%), -9.6 w/ parsons, +21.8 w/o parsons
    Kobe Bryant: 39% (43%), -7.7 w/ parsons, -2.8 w/o parsons
    Lebron James: 50% (53%), +7.6 w/ parsons, +60 w/o parsons
    Melo Anthony: 58% (45%), -12 w/ parsons, -18 w/o parsons (this anomaly appears to be due to Melo making 60% of his 3's against Parsons)
    Luol Deng: 38% (44%), -16.1 w/ parsons, -7.7 w/o parsons
    Paul Pierce: 41% (42%), -14.2 w/ parsons, +54 w/o parsons
    Paul George: 53% (43%), -1 w/ parsons, +77.1 w/o parsons
    Rudy Gay: 48% (41%), -10 w/ parsons, -19.6 w/o parsons
    Joe Johnson: 33% (43%), -25.1 w/ parsons, +64.8 w/o parsons
    Evan Turner: 43% (44%), -18 w/ parsons, +14.4 w/o parsons
    Josh Smith: 47% (45%), +5.3 w/ parsons, -25.5 w/o parsons
    AND FOR PROOF THAT +/- STATS ARE BIZARRE AND SOMEWHAT USELESS...
    Caron Butler 0% (42%), +46.8 w/ parsons, 0 w/o parsons (this one is just crazy)

    I don't have actual data proving that Parsons guarded these players during these times...just presuming. All in all it's pretty solid. Apparently Melo, Rudy Gay, and Josh Smith gave him some trouble. The +/- was interesting. The consistency of that stat says something to me despite my dislike of it. Basically, when Parsons is on the floor guarding these guys the rockets do better as a whole. When he is not, often the change is drastically huge.

    Again, it's hard to quantify.

    Here is a link to a comparison generator. You can see the splits of any team's performance with parsons on/off the court.

    From what I can see, opposing teams decrease in offensive performance and defensive performance while Parsons is on the court pretty consistently. To me, that says everything I need to hear.

    As for Lin, I think most of us agree he can improve in certain areas, but he gives effort and it's not like anyone else is stopping the guys he has to guard.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Alituro, I agree with most everything you have written but as a moderator I have a responsibility to all constructive and respectful forum members whether I agree with them or not. I have been a Rockets fan since the mid 80's and I will be a Rockets fan long after Lin moves to another team. I know Lin isn't a great NBA player but I do want him to succeed because he is a Rocket. I have to say, looking at the big picture, I am really excited about this Rockets team and we all should be I believe.
  • Alituro says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, there are waaaay too many posters here hanging on Lin's jock. Look, the rest of us get it, you've got some "connection" to the guy and above all else (even over Rockets winning) want to see him succeed. But, give us a break. Lin is good but by no means great. I want him to succeed too because it is good for my team, and for no other reason. Get over yourselves. Lin better have better defense than Harden because he needs his game to be at least decent all-around to stay on the floor. Many of us have been on this board from day 1, others (and you know who you are) have never even seen this board until we drafted Lin. It is not Lin Haters and lovers, this board has become Rockets Lovers and Lin Lovers and apparently they are not one in the same.

    Parsons has earned a reputation as one of the best wing defenders in the league in only his second year (ask Kobe). He CONSTANTLY holds his defensive assignments to below their scoring average. To say Lin is better at D than Parsons is freaking laughable. I could make a 15 minute montage only displaying the number of times Lin gets beat off screens and gambles for the steals only to get burned. On offense he's single handedly about to rename the mid-air-kickout-pass to the Lin Pass.

    I want Lin to be a great PG as much as the Lin lovers here because I am a Rockets fan, but please stop pretending he's something he's not (great). Maybe some people need to find a board that is all about Lin-love, but this ain't the one for you. If this post offends you, then good at least you know who you are. You are way too kind @feelingsupersonic.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I am certain there aren't many if any anti Lin forum members but there definitely has been an influx of Lin fans in recent weeks and months and that was to be expected since the whole Linsanity thing earned Lin legions of fans. Here at Red94 I would hope that we are all Rockets fans first but each unto their own.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Lin > Harden at defense but Parsons and Asik are better than him. All I know is that Harden's defense is worse than Nash's. Why we are comparing two guys on the same team who play different positions, I don't know. It seems like this board is predominantly Lin lovers and Lin haters with few guys in the middle.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I agree with rockets best fan. I was also finished with this thread till the post about Lin being the second best defender on this team came up. That cannot be a serious statement, it's laughable. I do not even know where to begin that debate.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Found an updated list of average team age:

    Houston, New Orleans, Cleveland, Denver, OKC, Portland, washington, etc

    Houston's avg. age is 23.7. What's more interesting is avg. experience is 1.7 years....easily the lowest in the league.

    apparently Houston's roster also has the highest average weight per player....would not have guessed that.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.
    I was going to leave this thread alone until that comment. lin couldn't guard a fire hydrant. :lol: his defense is terrible. he can't stay in front of quick guards which the nba is full of. this is why he does not finish 4th quaters sometimes. that and the fact he can't buy a 12 foot jumper on most nights. lin is average on his good days and stinks on his bad days. right now he's about 60/40 on good days and bad days. lin did a interview recently and admitted himself he wasn't playing star caliber basketball. as for any eye test...if you can't see the player I just mentioned then you are bias in favoring lin. I want lin to susceed, but he has not shown up to this point what he did in NY. I say the jury is still out. I am going to give him till years end, but he better get busy.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago @tigger

    Hm, I dont know. To say parsons d has dropped this yr sounds believable, but I dont know if lin has better d., maybe lin has to guard more fast pgs while outside of a handful of sfs, they aren't as amazing (relative to the pg crop) but for me, lin doesn't beat the eye test. /shrugs

    I like parsons a lot tho. Go look at his numbers, and yes guys increased minutes. I am very impressed by what he brings, esp. How he moves without the ball. For 900k? A steal. So hard to upgrade the sf spot because of that.
  • tigger says 1 YEAR ago Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.
  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago #Johnlai

    I only saw the 1st quarter had something else going on. Lin had a great 1st Quarter 2-2 4 points, 2 reb, 6 assist, but based on the box score and reading the recap, It seems that he cooled down. Parsons was also lighting it up and cooled down. Trading Lin is not an option unless we trade him for another star pg, which will never happen in the nba.

    It was a neccessary win and I am happy Harden got his triple-double. I have been one of the harsh critics of him, but this kind of proves me somewhat right with that if he wants to rebound he can. Like that he said that he tried to impact the game outside his scoring tonight, love to see more of that.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:12 AM said:


    It is so obvious that Houston does not deserve to have Lin. Trade him to the Lakers and have him come back and kick your butt.

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:21 AM said:


    First 4 minutes of the game: 3 assists 1 rebound 2 points a couple of steals.
    Lin is on fire.
    What do you have to say about this?

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:26 AM said:


    Bench Asik and Lin. McFail!!!


    Dude you're right! Tell you what....I'll trade you Lin for Howard straight up--I mean it's fair--they're both stars. Then Lin can make us pay for benching him....
  • Red94 says 1 YEAR ago New post: Houston Rockets 109, Charlotte Bobcats 95 - Rockets made to work hard for their win
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago Bench Asik and Lin. McFail!!!
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago First 4 minutes of the game: 3 assists 1 rebound 2 points a couple of steals.
    Lin is on fire.
    What do you have to say about this?
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago It is so obvious that Houston does not deserve to have Lin. Trade him to the Lakers and have him come back and kick your butt.
  • amacbrooks12 says 1 YEAR ago I agree with everyone that Harden's defense is terrible, but I dont see why. He is very strong, quick, has good hands, and is quite the athlete. That means the only reason why he plays bad defense is because lack of effort. Harden can be a decent/good defender if he wanted to, but it seems that he wants to save all his energy for offense. However, I don't really think its a serious issue. As long as he keeps doing what he has been doing on the offensive end, I am happy :)
  • Jeby says 1 YEAR ago Agree with what vbg wrote below. I think there is a little bit of ambiguity about what a "second option" is. Lin is not the second best guy on the team at putting the ball in the hoop. That's Parsons. But he is clearly second best at initiating the offense, and continues to get better. Plays that used to end in jump-passes are beginning to evolve more toward Lin keeping his dribble alive, circling under the hoop, and kicking out.
    On defense, I don't think Lin's problems have anything to do with his atheticism. It has to do with strategy and technique. Strategy-wise he gambles on playing passing lanes and baiting his man into deep shots instead of trying to just keep his man in front of him (which is actually the right strategy on a guy like Walker, despite last game). In terms of technique, he consistently overplays whichever direction he thinks his man is going, and then gets burned by the crossover. I think his problem is overreaction rather than slow reaction.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago If I had to set tiers I would actually put Asik in tier by himself and so on:

    Best: Asik

    Very good: Patterson (team defense), Parsons (man defense)

    Under average to poor: Harden (could probably be better but his defense is secondary to his offense/still an early stage where he is developing his offense, some form of defense will come later so have patience, see Kobe, LeBron, Durant), Lin (unfortunately lacks physical attributes to keep up with many point guards as Sir Thursday noted and thus finds himself in many mismatches)
  • Sir Thursday says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, going to have to echo FS here. One of the reasons the Rockets staff like Patterson so much is because he is an exceptionally reliable team defender. The Rockets track successful rotations as one of their proprietary stats, and I'm sure I remember reading that Patterson came out top in that category by a fair margin. To be honest I'd probably put him above Parsons, who is a good one-on-one defender but has a tendency to gamble a bit too much and get caught out of position from time to time.

    Lin does have areas where he is decent defensively. I've been very impressed with his performance when the opposition have tried to post him up - even when a bigger guy gets switched out on him he is often able to hold his own. Also, both he and Parsons do a decent job of knowing when to slough of their man to give the double team. But he's still lacking in the lateral quickness necessary to stay in front of fast point guards, and there are an abundance of those in the NBA that he has to guard.

    So yeah, if I were ranking the team on defence, it would probably go something like:

    1) Asik
    2) Patterson
    3) Parsons
    4) Lin
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    5) Harden

    ST
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    timetodienow1234567, on 02 February 2013 - 17:10 PM said:


    Starting 5 based on terms of Defense
    1) Asik
    2) Parsons
    3) Lin
    4) Patterson
    5) Harden

    Harden is our worst defender and without Asik we would be losing almost every game. Lin


    Not sure if that list is in some kind of order but I am pretty sure Patrick Patterson is generally accepted as a good defensive player. Lin and Harden are definitely the weak spots in the Rockets starting 5. I don't think anyone would even argue that Lin is an average defender.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Ha, just posted something on this in a different thread...seems relevant here as well so, if ya'll don't mind the re-post, here is one opinion on Lin's minutes. It suggests his conditioning is the culprit...

    QUOTE:

    It's true, we are on the outside looking in and have no idea what the reasons are.....for all we know Lin's conditioning isn't good enough. Maybe McHale sits him so that he can go strong for the last 8-10 minutes. I know most teams rest the starters a the beginning of the fourth for this reason....Again, maybe Lin just needs more rest than most....I believe this is the first time he has played starter minutes for this duration.

    Once again, let's look at some numbers:

    EDIT: wow, those stats were formatted when I posted them, must have gotten jumbled ...I will try to fix.

    EDIT 2: sorry, couldn't fix...will post links. Focus on the splits between wins and losses and the splits for "days off"

    Jeremey Lin's Stats

    Toney Douglas' Stats

    Looking at # of days rest, Lin definitely shows signs of not having the proper conditioning. It is drastic, really. On the other hand, Douglas seems to do best when "in a rhythm" and playing games close together.

    For Lin, not much changes except for his fg% and one extra assist in wins vs. losses. I would venture a guess that he is more involved with "leading" the offense in the "wins" which increases his productivity and effectiveness. The minutes seem to be irrelevant--perhaps it is his role that is the difference maker....

    Douglas' numbers are similar to Lin's except that in the "wins" he shoots a little more and assists a little less.

    Presuming McHale knows this, I will try to watch and see if the substitution patterns reflect this knowledge in the future.

    END QUOTE
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Lin is also not a great defender. If we do eventually go after a PF, we need one who plays solid defense so we can have 2 bigs that protect the rim.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Starting 5 based on terms of Defense
    1) Asik
    2) Parsons
    3) Lin
    4) Patterson
    5) Harden

    Harden is our worst defender and without Asik we would be losing almost every game. Lin
  • vbg says 1 YEAR ago I completely agree that Lin is not the second best player on the team. But I really do think that Lin should be the second option to initiate the offense after Harden. Not Parsons or Delfino. Lin is much better at creating against a set defense than either Parsons or Delfino. Our SFs are very strong after the ball is kicked out to them or swung to them.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago Just to counter the Lin comment lol: while I agree that the coaching staff does not see Lin as the 2nd option behind Harden, many fans do, hence the frustration. Even if they agree that Lin is not the 2nd best player right now on the team, they'd like to fully see his potential. Heck, Parsons plays a Lot more minutes than Lin. I like Parsons, I want him to grow, but I can say the same of Lin. I don't care much for developing Douglas' game haha.

    Not saying I rage when Lin sits in the 4th, just playing a bit of devil's advocate lol.

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