For Rockets, trading for Josh Smith might make sense
Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:04 AM
Why so Serious?
Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:08 AM
If I'm not mistaken.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:12 AM
Why so Serious?
Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:47 AM
Asik/Delfino/Ppat/Morris should be enough to get Dwight if he takes a slight pay cut like the Heat trio did. I might be wrong, but our 2 big player contracts are Harden/Lin. We can go over the cap to re-sign a player can't we? So we could theoretically go over the cap to re-sgin Josh Smith? I'm not too familiar with the CBA.
Howard is not the Heat trio. The money matters to him. It might be too hard for him to turn down the extra $30M the Lakers are going to be able to offer him.
You can go over the salary cap to sign your own players as long as you control their "bird rights". You have to be under the cap to sign free agents, unless you are offering the mid-level exception or the veterans minimum.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:59 AM
If I understand correctly, the idea is to "rent" Smith to try and get past one of the West's top 4 and prove to Dwight we are a desirable team. Smith won't be here with Dwight should he choose Houston. Am I the only one that thinks this is weird? Ultimately, we give up assets and depth for a chance to show off and pursue Dwight...who is already leaning this way in my estimation. We become a less desirable destination in our desperation to be desirable. I think trading for Smith is counter-intuitive. I say bring Dwight in, let Smith see what he could be a part of and see if he still wants that max deal. Having Dwight recruit Smith makes more sense. Suddenly, we are the Heat of the West with a group of players agreeing to take less money with the goal of championships. I would rather have Horford than Smith if we're going after an Atlanta player. He can be our answer at the 4.
It wasn't long ago it was decided that Parsons is actually a similar player--statistics-wise--and is still growing into the NBA. Parsons is a better glue/chemistry guy and doesn't want/need a max deal. I always respect your opinions, Rahat, but I think this is a bad, bad plan of action.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:02 AM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:56 AM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:23 AM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:04 AM
as for smith not being enough, i think i disagree. i think with smith in the lineup, the rockets still wouldnt be upper echelon, but i think theyde could very realistically climb to 6 and knock off #3.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:56 PM
My problem is I don't even think it gives us an extra 10% at landing Howard. As long as we overachieve, it shows our potential. Doing better w/ Smith with no plans to keep Smith doesn't showcase what Howard would be signing up for accurately. It'd be even worse if we traded for Smith and then UNDERachieved. We'd then lower our chances at landing D12. It is close enough of a wash for me that I feel hesitant about giving up TJones.
On a side note, I am a bit confused -- I often seen the $30M that D12 is giving up bandied about. I assume this is both the extra % LAL can give him + a 5th yr right? If so, why in reality would it even come close to $30M? It isn't like by magic D12's 5th yr disappears -- he will still turn 32 lol. He will still most likely sign another K. The only issues I can see is that signing for a 5th yr at 32 means you are probably valued less and will receive less money; or a late injury might screw you over even more. But it is pretty simple math to find the expected value of what that 5th yr might be once risk and lower value is calculated in, and the result will undoubtedly be less than $30M...but not $30M less haha. Maybe it is $15M, so he is just leaving $15M on the table (shave off a few more million due to half the games in TX = no income tax), etc.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:50 PM
Part of the $30mil comes from the larger annual raise allowed for signing your own FA. You get an extra 3% if you re-sign w/your old team.
If Howard started out at $20mil,he would get an extra $600,000 his second yr,an extra $1.2mil his third and an extra $1.8mil in his fourth yr.
That's an extra $3.6mil over four yrs.
Plus it's hard to imagine someone giving Howard a $26mil deal when he's 32. His contract after this one will be a severe paycut,something like KG and his $18mil,then $12mil deals.
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:52 PM
It's not over-valuing the assets. It's the weird combination of giving up said assets for a player that you want to use to recruit another player that won't actually be here when the other player is so that at the end you have given up your assets, the player you traded those assets for, and now you want this other guy, Dwight, to look at your squad and say, yeah, that looks great...no best friend, no depth, no financial flexibility, nothing to trade, no more up-and-coming youngsters. Let's do this!
Remember, Atlanta doesn't do this trade for our scraps. They are taking the nice pieces. T-Jones. D-Mo. One of PPat or MM. Toney Douglas. Delfino. It all goes. Then, once Smith is gone. We have a starting 5....and Royce White.
I would much rather go with one of the two options from the JJ redick thread....preferably OJ Mayo. I think that is a realistic opportunity and much cheaper, with retained assets. If that goes down you're looking at Lin, Harden, Parsons, PF-X, Howard, with a bench group of Beverley, Mayo, Morris, PF-X, and Asik.....plus any combination in between. Is the PF Jones? D-Mo? Ppat? who cares? That is awesome awesome awesome!
Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:44 PM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:48 PM
i'm with you on this one. we can not lose sight of our long term goals. in the morey contract extension thread i made a point of morey having great long term vision.we can not sell off valued assets on short term fixes. that's exactly what is being purposed here. the players we will be loosing may very well become good long term players and we will have sold them off on a cheap thrill. i'm not on board with that at all. NO TRADE AT ALL THIS DEADLINE...THAT'S WHAT THE ROCKETS SHOULD AND WILL DO. if we make one it will be minor... just renting cap room till summer. morey has given us a clear path to follow for team improvement. we need to be patient. fools jump in where a wise man will pause. we have everything going for us right now. don't mess it up on chasing other people's castoffs. sorry had to rant on that for a minutes
Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:06 PM
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