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@  thejohnnygold : (05 March 2015 - 06:13 AM) NBA.com publishes them....they take a little time
@  TTrainW : (05 March 2015 - 03:17 AM) @JG where do you get the ref reports after games?
@  thejohnnygold : (04 March 2015 - 02:25 PM) @Yaoman--I guess it's whatever you want to be worried about. One loss is a 1/2 game move in the standings--not a full point. Head to head is a full point. Further, divisional records come into play for tiebreakers and such. I was never endorsing skipping ATL--why would we do that? Besides, is there really much benefit to moving to the 2 seed? The 4 seed? I forget who it was, but I agree that keeping the 3rd is ideal as it prolongs any chance of seeing GSW the longest.
@  King's G... : (04 March 2015 - 10:34 AM) @cooper we couldnt closed even when Harden played in the first game
@  King's G... : (04 March 2015 - 09:56 AM) nice game were equally good with or without Harden and dwight
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 03:29 AM) passing was just really sloppy. there were some times where we tried to get it to the post to run a play but the passing just wasn't crisp or on point.
@  Mario Peña : (04 March 2015 - 03:14 AM) Good first 40 minutes and hopefully these rotation players have learned something about crunch time execution and effort.
@  Cooper : (04 March 2015 - 02:51 AM) can't close without harden.
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 02:37 AM) intensity
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 02:34 AM) BENCH JOSH SMITH NOW!!!
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 02:30 AM) Ok, let's stop running the offense through Josh Smith now
@  thenit : (04 March 2015 - 01:31 AM) DMo on pace for a quad double
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 01:25 AM) this game is pretty encouraging
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 12:55 AM) I like the ball movement the first unit is showing without Harden, it seems everybody is touching the ball
@  YaoMan : (03 March 2015 - 11:33 PM) Corey is brewing up a storm tonight! And TJ is going to grab 15 boards and block 5 shots!
@  Losthief : (03 March 2015 - 11:31 PM) joke...pfft...it's the expectation lol!
@  Sir Thursday : (03 March 2015 - 11:23 PM) Oh wait, just saw cointurtlemoose already made that joke.
@  Sir Thursday : (03 March 2015 - 11:22 PM) Time for Corey Brewer to reprise his 51 point game, am I right?
@  YaoMan : (03 March 2015 - 09:31 PM) @JG but Portland is right on the Rox tail and a loss to ATL would move them 2.5 from Mem so it would be moot point to just to skip ATL. In this part of the season, every game counts. If Rox lose to ATL but wins against MEM, they're right back where they are now at 1.5 back with possibly Portland tied with them...
@  thejohnnygold : (03 March 2015 - 09:14 PM) That's only because Jeremy Lin is the GOAT

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#1 Steven

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

With the recent rumors that D12 might be willing to become a Rocket in the summer, the postings of the Rockets going back to the twin tower days has been growing. The twin towers worked because Ralph Sampson had tremendous ball skills. He could shot, pass, see the court. He was 7'4" stretch 4 before the term got crowned. Neither Dwight or Asik are the offensive basketball player that Ralph Sampson was. The Lakers have Pau, and he and Dwight couldn't play on the court together. How will Dwight and Asik be able to play together? All it will do is clog the lane for Harden and Lin. If Howard is brought in, Asik will be traded.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

Perhaps. Sampson and Olajuwon were both unique talents. Bigs that could shoot, pass, dribble, jump, were agile, and quick--they had it all....in fact, here is a great article from grantland on them: http://www.grantland...houston-rockets

I think it was an error to use the term, "twin towers", as it invokes memories for most of us and is not truly relevant to what this combo would, or should, be. Maybe we can include the whole team as the "Justice League"....Dwight gets to be Superman (to Shaq's displeasure), Asik can be "Elongated Man" (yes, that is real), Harden the flash, Lin can be batman, Parsons the green lantern, etc....If it happpens, I'm sure some clever reporter will give them a name.

The point is, this pairing has different skills (powers) than that one. Rebounding and defense would be off the charts. I think we can all agree on that.

So, the offense is the question. I went into great detail, albeit a bit convoluded, about a potential "double pick'n'roll" that I think would effectively use them together in the Howard thread. They would "clog" the lane if used traditionally, but the difference between them clogging the lane and say, PPat, is Howard and Asik can finish at the rim over almost anyone. If their man comes off to block a driving player, that player can dish to the open big for an easy dunk/lay-up. I mean, we are talking about the #1 and #3 rebounders in the league. Combined, we should be able to easily wrangle 15+ offensive rebounds a game....probably more. I truly think that, with the right spacing and timing, Those two plus whatever driving player you want would produce a pick your poison offense that has no good outcome for the defense. Every option is either a lay-up or dunk....

The original Twin Towers also fell in the finals to another set of towers: McHale and Parrish. Those two were actually much more similar to what we would have with Howard and Asik....so maybe ol' McHale already has plans for this duo.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

What do you think of this one...

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In this set up the ball-handler sets up on either side. From here he can pass inside to Dwight for a post play. Dwight can then either post or draw a double team and pass out to an open 3-point shooter. The "Olajuwon Offense" that Dwight is very familiar with from Orlando.

Or, the ball-handler can drive. Asik steps out and screens the perimeter defender as Harden slips past and heads towards the basket. Asik's defender slides with Harden trying to keep himself between Harden and the basket. If he fails, Harden gets an easy 2 and/or foul. If not, Harden can pass to the rolling Asik who has come from the screen he set to the back-side. Now, Asik either gets an easy 2 and/or foul or Howard's defender has slid over. If this happens, Asik just drops it off to Howard for a no dribble dunk on whoever is in the way.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

Here is a different version...

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In this example, the ball-handler rolls around a Howard screen up top. Asik is set up behind Howard's man. As Harden goes right, his man gets screened by Asik forcing Asik's man to flash out and block Harden's drive. As this happens, Asik quickly slips back to the left to screen howard's man again as Howard slips around and rolls to the rim completely open. If Howard's man manages to stick on him, Asik is free to go straight down the lane un-guarded. Truly, the only way to guard this is to sag off the corner shooters so far that they will be getting open looks all day long. Parsons, Delfino and PPat can knock those things down all day long. Besides, if they miss we still have two of the best rebounders in the game right there. Am I the only one that thinks this is a solid plan????
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

Agreed that Asik and Howard would be VERY different from HOU's past Twin Towers. And while Pau and D12 have not thrived together on the court, that may in part be due to familiarity + coaching. Dwight wasn't thriving on the court w/o Pau either lol (the latter seemed to do very well though when on the court solo). Asik + Howard is interesting -- it might not work, but it could. Worth a shot, and solves our problem of having crap defense whenever Asik sits. Now it's defense 24/7 haha.

If worst comes to worst, we could trade one or the other for something just as grand (assuming Daryl doesn't go all Hennigan). Asik is overperforming his contract, and D12 is still a star...which is rare in the league and something everyone salivates over. I just can't imagine saying no if we have the option. You do it then decide how the pieces fit together later. Could argue that did not turn out well for LAL this season, but they would have AMAZING assets if say D12 were under contract for 4 more yrs after this one with them already...no fear of walking out on them this offseason. That is what we would have. Yes, please.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

I think it was an error to use the term, "twin towers", as it invokes memories for most of us and is not truly relevant to what this combo would, or should, be. Maybe we can include the whole team as the "Justice League"....Dwight gets to be Superman (to Shaq's displeasure), Asik can be "Elongated Man" (yes, that is real), Harden the flash, Lin can be batman, Parsons the green lantern, etc....If it happpens, I'm sure some clever reporter will give them a name.



Nerdiest thing that will be put on here but. Asik, I think, would be more "Steel," elongated man is skinny, where Steel is a big, strong guy, more similar to Asik. Also maybe Kilowog for him (a Green Lantern). I think Harden would have to be Batman, all his tricks are like gadgets in Batman's utility belt. Parsons would be Martian Manhunter because he morphs into different positions. And I'm thinking for Lin, Blue Beatle. Doesn't look like your typical superhero, but gets the job done. Or Braniac 5.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

Nerdiest thing that will be put on here but. Asik, I think, would be more "Steel," elongated man is skinny, where Steel is a big, strong guy, more similar to Asik. Also maybe Kilowog for him (a Green Lantern). I think Harden would have to be Batman, all his tricks are like gadgets in Batman's utility belt. Parsons would be Martian Manhunter because he morphs into different positions. And I'm thinking for Lin, Blue Beatle. Doesn't look like your typical superhero, but gets the job done. Or Braniac 5.


Awesome. Let's make this happen.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:50 PM

Asik will be flash, cause he will be gone as quick as a flash.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

Harden would be static shock.
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Why so Serious? :D


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

Can we go A-Team with this since Harden already has the BA Barracus look going? Lin is Hannibal, Parsons is face, Asik gets to be murdoch, I guess.....hmmm, not enough characters....back to the superheroes
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

Hardin = Wolverine
Lin = Beast/ Hank McCoy (previously Sunfire)
D12 = Colossus
Parsons = Deadpool
2Pat = Jubilee
Asik = Morph
McHale = Cyclops
Morey = Professor X
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:52 AM

Hardin = Wolverine
Lin = Sunfire
D12 = Colossus
Parsons = Deadpool
2Pat = Jubilee

McHale = Cyclops
Morey = Professor X


I did not know who Sunfire was, so I looked it up on wikipedia = "Sunfire is a temperamental and arrogant Japanese mutant who can generate superheated plasma and fly. Not suited for teamwork, Sunfire was only briefly a member of the X-Men and has kept limited ties to the team since. He has had some presence in the greater Marvel Universe." That doesn't describe Lin at all. The only correlation is the Asian component? I like Harden for Wolverine.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:19 AM

I did not know who Sunfire was, so I looked it up on wikipedia = "Sunfire is a temperamental and arrogant Japanese mutant who can generate superheated plasma and fly. Not suited for teamwork, Sunfire was only briefly a member of the X-Men and has kept limited ties to the team since. He has had some presence in the greater Marvel Universe." That doesn't describe Lin at all. The only correlation is the Asian component? I like Harden for Wolverine.


Yes. I couldn't think of another one in Marvel. No guys are the brainiacs besides Forge, and he is a wuss. Plus I think Lin might only be a Rocket for a short time.
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