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@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 04:28 AM) i think tonight's loss proved one thing - we need a transcendent performance from Harden to hang with the Warriors. We didn't have that tonight.
@  skip 2 my lou : (24 May 2015 - 02:46 AM) another illegal screen call, are they finally gonna call them?
@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 02:38 AM) man Draymond Green just gets away with everything. so weird
@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 02:12 AM) everything that can go wrong is going wrong... harden can't buy a bucket... 3s aren't going in... Curry is getting offensive rebounds...
@  jorgeaam : (24 May 2015 - 02:09 AM) So... did anyone see the Astros game last night?
@  JY86er : (23 May 2015 - 08:51 AM) It was very exciting and I'm sorry we lost, but its time to play in the white jerseys now.
@  Cooper : (23 May 2015 - 02:39 AM) If that was anyone but Dwight trailing we got an open three, I think harden just instinctively passed before he realized who it was then didn't have enough time left to get a fadeaway from the elbow that he likes and panicked a little. I'd take harden to make a play/get a decent shot up in that situation 9/10 times. It just didn't work out
@  Mario Peña : (23 May 2015 - 12:30 AM) I agree with you SadLakerFan. I don't believe a timeout would have been a good idea. Everything points to the decision that was made being the right one and just because the outcome was a failure doesn't mean it wasn't the best scenario.
@  SadLakerFan : (22 May 2015 - 04:01 PM) Gotta disagree. You would be taking the ball out of your best (by far) player's hands when the defense is on its heels. A timeout would allow the best defense in the NBA to prepare for the inbounds play - you might never even get it to Harden. As for Harden, I watched it again a few times - he's got to take that shot at 4.0 seconds. He'll learn. I see this as his coming out game. The whole nation knows how good he is now.
@  txtdo1411 : (22 May 2015 - 02:45 PM) Agreed Majik. It's hindsight and everything happened so quick, but that would have been huge. I also feel Harden takes that first stepback if Barnes didn't do that fly by from behind. Just an unfortunate ending to a great game. We'll get them back in Houston.
@  majik19 : (22 May 2015 - 02:21 PM) I feel like McHale or someone should have taken a timeout as soon as Harden got double-teamed. Then we could've drawn something up for him.
@  SadLakerFan : (22 May 2015 - 06:37 AM) McHale made the right call - no time out against the best 1/2 court defense in the NBA. In retrospect, you wish Harden had taken the step back.
@  Mario Peña : (22 May 2015 - 04:53 AM) The 5 always trails and always gets the ball as he crosses half court, I believe it was kind of a habit pass. Harden should have just decisively gone right initially and Ariza probably would have had an open corner three. Harden and co. are still learning.
@  cointurtlemoose : (22 May 2015 - 03:54 AM) Maybe it didn't register in the split-second decision that it was Howard trailing. If it's anyone other than Howard, one of Curry/Thompson peels off to cover the trailer, and Harden gets his one on one back
@  JY86er : (22 May 2015 - 03:41 AM) Oh well, Guys. We got 'em right where we want 'em now.
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:40 AM) Oh boy, well, at least I like our chances to take both home games the way the Warriors are playing
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:39 AM) Why didn't Harden call a timeout instead of passing it to Howard on the 3 point line?
@  cointurtlemoose : (22 May 2015 - 03:38 AM) Heartbreaking last couple seconds...
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:36 AM) WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:35 AM) Let's go rockets!

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#1 Steven

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

With the recent rumors that D12 might be willing to become a Rocket in the summer, the postings of the Rockets going back to the twin tower days has been growing. The twin towers worked because Ralph Sampson had tremendous ball skills. He could shot, pass, see the court. He was 7'4" stretch 4 before the term got crowned. Neither Dwight or Asik are the offensive basketball player that Ralph Sampson was. The Lakers have Pau, and he and Dwight couldn't play on the court together. How will Dwight and Asik be able to play together? All it will do is clog the lane for Harden and Lin. If Howard is brought in, Asik will be traded.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

Perhaps. Sampson and Olajuwon were both unique talents. Bigs that could shoot, pass, dribble, jump, were agile, and quick--they had it all....in fact, here is a great article from grantland on them: http://www.grantland...houston-rockets

I think it was an error to use the term, "twin towers", as it invokes memories for most of us and is not truly relevant to what this combo would, or should, be. Maybe we can include the whole team as the "Justice League"....Dwight gets to be Superman (to Shaq's displeasure), Asik can be "Elongated Man" (yes, that is real), Harden the flash, Lin can be batman, Parsons the green lantern, etc....If it happpens, I'm sure some clever reporter will give them a name.

The point is, this pairing has different skills (powers) than that one. Rebounding and defense would be off the charts. I think we can all agree on that.

So, the offense is the question. I went into great detail, albeit a bit convoluded, about a potential "double pick'n'roll" that I think would effectively use them together in the Howard thread. They would "clog" the lane if used traditionally, but the difference between them clogging the lane and say, PPat, is Howard and Asik can finish at the rim over almost anyone. If their man comes off to block a driving player, that player can dish to the open big for an easy dunk/lay-up. I mean, we are talking about the #1 and #3 rebounders in the league. Combined, we should be able to easily wrangle 15+ offensive rebounds a game....probably more. I truly think that, with the right spacing and timing, Those two plus whatever driving player you want would produce a pick your poison offense that has no good outcome for the defense. Every option is either a lay-up or dunk....

The original Twin Towers also fell in the finals to another set of towers: McHale and Parrish. Those two were actually much more similar to what we would have with Howard and Asik....so maybe ol' McHale already has plans for this duo.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

What do you think of this one...

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In this set up the ball-handler sets up on either side. From here he can pass inside to Dwight for a post play. Dwight can then either post or draw a double team and pass out to an open 3-point shooter. The "Olajuwon Offense" that Dwight is very familiar with from Orlando.

Or, the ball-handler can drive. Asik steps out and screens the perimeter defender as Harden slips past and heads towards the basket. Asik's defender slides with Harden trying to keep himself between Harden and the basket. If he fails, Harden gets an easy 2 and/or foul. If not, Harden can pass to the rolling Asik who has come from the screen he set to the back-side. Now, Asik either gets an easy 2 and/or foul or Howard's defender has slid over. If this happens, Asik just drops it off to Howard for a no dribble dunk on whoever is in the way.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:14 PM

Here is a different version...

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In this example, the ball-handler rolls around a Howard screen up top. Asik is set up behind Howard's man. As Harden goes right, his man gets screened by Asik forcing Asik's man to flash out and block Harden's drive. As this happens, Asik quickly slips back to the left to screen howard's man again as Howard slips around and rolls to the rim completely open. If Howard's man manages to stick on him, Asik is free to go straight down the lane un-guarded. Truly, the only way to guard this is to sag off the corner shooters so far that they will be getting open looks all day long. Parsons, Delfino and PPat can knock those things down all day long. Besides, if they miss we still have two of the best rebounders in the game right there. Am I the only one that thinks this is a solid plan????
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

Agreed that Asik and Howard would be VERY different from HOU's past Twin Towers. And while Pau and D12 have not thrived together on the court, that may in part be due to familiarity + coaching. Dwight wasn't thriving on the court w/o Pau either lol (the latter seemed to do very well though when on the court solo). Asik + Howard is interesting -- it might not work, but it could. Worth a shot, and solves our problem of having crap defense whenever Asik sits. Now it's defense 24/7 haha.

If worst comes to worst, we could trade one or the other for something just as grand (assuming Daryl doesn't go all Hennigan). Asik is overperforming his contract, and D12 is still a star...which is rare in the league and something everyone salivates over. I just can't imagine saying no if we have the option. You do it then decide how the pieces fit together later. Could argue that did not turn out well for LAL this season, but they would have AMAZING assets if say D12 were under contract for 4 more yrs after this one with them already...no fear of walking out on them this offseason. That is what we would have. Yes, please.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

I think it was an error to use the term, "twin towers", as it invokes memories for most of us and is not truly relevant to what this combo would, or should, be. Maybe we can include the whole team as the "Justice League"....Dwight gets to be Superman (to Shaq's displeasure), Asik can be "Elongated Man" (yes, that is real), Harden the flash, Lin can be batman, Parsons the green lantern, etc....If it happpens, I'm sure some clever reporter will give them a name.



Nerdiest thing that will be put on here but. Asik, I think, would be more "Steel," elongated man is skinny, where Steel is a big, strong guy, more similar to Asik. Also maybe Kilowog for him (a Green Lantern). I think Harden would have to be Batman, all his tricks are like gadgets in Batman's utility belt. Parsons would be Martian Manhunter because he morphs into different positions. And I'm thinking for Lin, Blue Beatle. Doesn't look like your typical superhero, but gets the job done. Or Braniac 5.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

Nerdiest thing that will be put on here but. Asik, I think, would be more "Steel," elongated man is skinny, where Steel is a big, strong guy, more similar to Asik. Also maybe Kilowog for him (a Green Lantern). I think Harden would have to be Batman, all his tricks are like gadgets in Batman's utility belt. Parsons would be Martian Manhunter because he morphs into different positions. And I'm thinking for Lin, Blue Beatle. Doesn't look like your typical superhero, but gets the job done. Or Braniac 5.


Awesome. Let's make this happen.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:50 PM

Asik will be flash, cause he will be gone as quick as a flash.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

Harden would be static shock.
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Why so Serious? :D


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

Can we go A-Team with this since Harden already has the BA Barracus look going? Lin is Hannibal, Parsons is face, Asik gets to be murdoch, I guess.....hmmm, not enough characters....back to the superheroes
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

Hardin = Wolverine
Lin = Beast/ Hank McCoy (previously Sunfire)
D12 = Colossus
Parsons = Deadpool
2Pat = Jubilee
Asik = Morph
McHale = Cyclops
Morey = Professor X
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:52 AM

Hardin = Wolverine
Lin = Sunfire
D12 = Colossus
Parsons = Deadpool
2Pat = Jubilee

McHale = Cyclops
Morey = Professor X


I did not know who Sunfire was, so I looked it up on wikipedia = "Sunfire is a temperamental and arrogant Japanese mutant who can generate superheated plasma and fly. Not suited for teamwork, Sunfire was only briefly a member of the X-Men and has kept limited ties to the team since. He has had some presence in the greater Marvel Universe." That doesn't describe Lin at all. The only correlation is the Asian component? I like Harden for Wolverine.
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Why so Serious? :D


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:19 AM

I did not know who Sunfire was, so I looked it up on wikipedia = "Sunfire is a temperamental and arrogant Japanese mutant who can generate superheated plasma and fly. Not suited for teamwork, Sunfire was only briefly a member of the X-Men and has kept limited ties to the team since. He has had some presence in the greater Marvel Universe." That doesn't describe Lin at all. The only correlation is the Asian component? I like Harden for Wolverine.


Yes. I couldn't think of another one in Marvel. No guys are the brainiacs besides Forge, and he is a wuss. Plus I think Lin might only be a Rocket for a short time.
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