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@  bboley24 : (20 May 2013 - 09:35 PM) TWill...  stay classy.
@  bboley24 : (20 May 2013 - 03:04 PM) b.) No one has mentioned the hoopsworld rumor that DH is intrigued with the possibility of yours truely
@  bboley24 : (20 May 2013 - 03:04 PM) a.) Royce has screwed up any chance of someone with pyschological disorders to get signed.  So much for being a Pioneer
@  2016Champions : (20 May 2013 - 11:12 AM) The question remains, how do you rank them? By "who dominated their era more" or do you use the "time machine" argument?
@  2016Champions : (20 May 2013 - 11:10 AM) That's pretty much what pioneer means.
@  rocketrick : (20 May 2013 - 07:44 AM) If it weren't for the "pioneers", the NBA wouldn't be what it is today. Royce White will probably make more money in his limited "career" than some of the big name players from past eras who made the game what it is today.
@  2016Champions : (20 May 2013 - 02:45 AM) How do you rank someone like that?
@  2016Champions : (20 May 2013 - 02:44 AM) I mean, Bill Russell is the GOAT if you're talking about who dominated his era the most, but in today's game he might just be a rich man's Ben Wallace.
@  2016Champions : (20 May 2013 - 02:42 AM) I think pioneers should be on a completely different list all together, but that's probably just me.
@  rocketrick : (19 May 2013 - 11:46 PM) Although most on this forum never saw them play, I think it's difficult at best to keep Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson off this list.
@  timetodienow... : (19 May 2013 - 10:59 PM) Top 5 point guards of all time 1)Magic, 2)Stockton, 3)Nash, 4)Thomas, 5)Kidd IMO
@  Richards : (19 May 2013 - 10:39 PM) Hate to see a player like him going out now. Time has come for sure though.
@  2016Champions : (19 May 2013 - 06:23 PM) Time to retire. Do you think he could become a coach one day?
@  Richards : (19 May 2013 - 03:27 PM) Jason Kidd 10 straight games, and total of 25 games for this season with zero points.
@  feelingsuper... : (18 May 2013 - 01:01 AM) I had no problem this evening.
@  thejohnnygold : (17 May 2013 - 11:20 PM) it's working for me
@  2016Champions : (17 May 2013 - 10:20 PM) Does anyone else have trouble accessing page 4 of the James Harden thread?
@  Sir Thursday : (16 May 2013 - 04:10 PM) @BenQueens: Probability of that happening is 4.5%. Still, didn't cost them in the end...
@  BenQueens : (16 May 2013 - 04:30 AM) Randolph 1/4FT in the last minute. Career 76.5% - Wow.
@  BenQueens : (16 May 2013 - 04:20 AM) Bad time for the Thunder to lose track of Tony Allen.

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#1 Sir Thursday

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

So Grantland has a really interesting article that scratches the surface of the sort of things you can find out using the STATS LLC video tracking system they've got installed at various arenas across the country. As usual, sterling work from Zach Lowe. His headline point - James Harden is an INSANELY good driver of the basketball. Of course, we already knew that from watching him, but the numbers are pretty awe-inspiring:

Harden averages nine drives per game, which is fifth among players whose teams have the cameras...

...Houston is scoring 1.51 points per possession on trips in which he drives at any time in the shot clock. That is easily the highest mark among all players in the 15-team database with more than a token number of drives. It is a mammoth number; keep in mind, teams average just about one point per possession overall. Harden has drawn a foul on one-third of his drives, which is among the highest numbers in the data set, and sort of amazing when you think about it....

...He has turned over the ball on just 4 percent of his drives, one of the lowest numbers in the data set. The dude is scary. These numbers paint him as even more valuable than we might think.


1.51 is beyond ridiculous. And when you couple that with a much lower turnover number than I was expecting (I'm used to thinking of his drives as somewhat risky because he occasionally gets the ball slapped out of his hands when he extends them out in front of him), it's just deadly.

Lin's numbers were also pretty good, by the way - 1.32 ppp when he drives to the basket. That's apparently about the same as Tony Parker, which is pleasing company to be in. Highly recommend the article, by the way, as there's lots of good insight about quite a few different players around the league. One can only imagine how much interesting information teams with full access to the database must have.

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#2 thejohnnygold

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:12 AM

Check this out....seen on twitter...
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:53 AM

johnnygold, I was just about to post that! Pretty funny, I also saw that link that Haberstroh had put up. Pretty amazing numbers and I am so glad we have a player like Harden. To think in a couple years he should be entering his prime.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:05 AM

I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be this good. To think I had secodn thoughts when the trade was made. smh...

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:57 AM

I loved the Harden deal as soon as it was made. I thought it was an aight deal for OKC, but an amazing trade for HOU. That being said, I also did not think he would be this good this soon.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:02 AM

I kind of wondered how good he was though I was pretty sure he was better than Martin and prospects. I am starting to think that in trying to emulate SA that OKC made a mistake of not starting Harden with Durant and Westbrook. I mean imagine their team if they had taken a different approach with Harden, actually we will never know. He is going to be one of the greats I think and I hope he always stays a Rocket.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be this good. To think I had secodn thoughts when the trade was made. smh...


It wasnt just you though, it probably was a 50/50 split that Morey had given up too much. And if he is able to make the biggest coup in free agency getting Dwight Howard (baggage and all), he would have the two superstars he has always wanted. And if one or two of the young players grow into the pieces we/Morey think, especially at the PF position, it could be Rockets Vs. Thunder for Western Conference supremecy for they 5-7 years.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:26 PM

Just a little sweetener on all of this--it looked like he was closing out much harder than usual on shooters in that Portland game. I'm cautiously optimistic that if McHale can manage Harden's minutes and the playoff race gets more intense, his defensive intensity will pick up as well. His D on LeBron the other day was solid.
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