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@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 04:28 AM) i think tonight's loss proved one thing - we need a transcendent performance from Harden to hang with the Warriors. We didn't have that tonight.
@  skip 2 my lou : (24 May 2015 - 02:46 AM) another illegal screen call, are they finally gonna call them?
@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 02:38 AM) man Draymond Green just gets away with everything. so weird
@  majik19 : (24 May 2015 - 02:12 AM) everything that can go wrong is going wrong... harden can't buy a bucket... 3s aren't going in... Curry is getting offensive rebounds...
@  jorgeaam : (24 May 2015 - 02:09 AM) So... did anyone see the Astros game last night?
@  JY86er : (23 May 2015 - 08:51 AM) It was very exciting and I'm sorry we lost, but its time to play in the white jerseys now.
@  Cooper : (23 May 2015 - 02:39 AM) If that was anyone but Dwight trailing we got an open three, I think harden just instinctively passed before he realized who it was then didn't have enough time left to get a fadeaway from the elbow that he likes and panicked a little. I'd take harden to make a play/get a decent shot up in that situation 9/10 times. It just didn't work out
@  Mario Peña : (23 May 2015 - 12:30 AM) I agree with you SadLakerFan. I don't believe a timeout would have been a good idea. Everything points to the decision that was made being the right one and just because the outcome was a failure doesn't mean it wasn't the best scenario.
@  SadLakerFan : (22 May 2015 - 04:01 PM) Gotta disagree. You would be taking the ball out of your best (by far) player's hands when the defense is on its heels. A timeout would allow the best defense in the NBA to prepare for the inbounds play - you might never even get it to Harden. As for Harden, I watched it again a few times - he's got to take that shot at 4.0 seconds. He'll learn. I see this as his coming out game. The whole nation knows how good he is now.
@  txtdo1411 : (22 May 2015 - 02:45 PM) Agreed Majik. It's hindsight and everything happened so quick, but that would have been huge. I also feel Harden takes that first stepback if Barnes didn't do that fly by from behind. Just an unfortunate ending to a great game. We'll get them back in Houston.
@  majik19 : (22 May 2015 - 02:21 PM) I feel like McHale or someone should have taken a timeout as soon as Harden got double-teamed. Then we could've drawn something up for him.
@  SadLakerFan : (22 May 2015 - 06:37 AM) McHale made the right call - no time out against the best 1/2 court defense in the NBA. In retrospect, you wish Harden had taken the step back.
@  Mario Peña : (22 May 2015 - 04:53 AM) The 5 always trails and always gets the ball as he crosses half court, I believe it was kind of a habit pass. Harden should have just decisively gone right initially and Ariza probably would have had an open corner three. Harden and co. are still learning.
@  cointurtlemoose : (22 May 2015 - 03:54 AM) Maybe it didn't register in the split-second decision that it was Howard trailing. If it's anyone other than Howard, one of Curry/Thompson peels off to cover the trailer, and Harden gets his one on one back
@  JY86er : (22 May 2015 - 03:41 AM) Oh well, Guys. We got 'em right where we want 'em now.
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:40 AM) Oh boy, well, at least I like our chances to take both home games the way the Warriors are playing
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:39 AM) Why didn't Harden call a timeout instead of passing it to Howard on the 3 point line?
@  cointurtlemoose : (22 May 2015 - 03:38 AM) Heartbreaking last couple seconds...
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:36 AM) WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED
@  jorgeaam : (22 May 2015 - 03:35 AM) Let's go rockets!

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#1 Sir Thursday

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

So Grantland has a really interesting article that scratches the surface of the sort of things you can find out using the STATS LLC video tracking system they've got installed at various arenas across the country. As usual, sterling work from Zach Lowe. His headline point - James Harden is an INSANELY good driver of the basketball. Of course, we already knew that from watching him, but the numbers are pretty awe-inspiring:

Harden averages nine drives per game, which is fifth among players whose teams have the cameras...

...Houston is scoring 1.51 points per possession on trips in which he drives at any time in the shot clock. That is easily the highest mark among all players in the 15-team database with more than a token number of drives. It is a mammoth number; keep in mind, teams average just about one point per possession overall. Harden has drawn a foul on one-third of his drives, which is among the highest numbers in the data set, and sort of amazing when you think about it....

...He has turned over the ball on just 4 percent of his drives, one of the lowest numbers in the data set. The dude is scary. These numbers paint him as even more valuable than we might think.


1.51 is beyond ridiculous. And when you couple that with a much lower turnover number than I was expecting (I'm used to thinking of his drives as somewhat risky because he occasionally gets the ball slapped out of his hands when he extends them out in front of him), it's just deadly.

Lin's numbers were also pretty good, by the way - 1.32 ppp when he drives to the basket. That's apparently about the same as Tony Parker, which is pleasing company to be in. Highly recommend the article, by the way, as there's lots of good insight about quite a few different players around the league. One can only imagine how much interesting information teams with full access to the database must have.

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#2 thejohnnygold

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:12 AM

Check this out....seen on twitter...
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:53 AM

johnnygold, I was just about to post that! Pretty funny, I also saw that link that Haberstroh had put up. Pretty amazing numbers and I am so glad we have a player like Harden. To think in a couple years he should be entering his prime.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:05 AM

I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be this good. To think I had secodn thoughts when the trade was made. smh...
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:57 AM

I loved the Harden deal as soon as it was made. I thought it was an aight deal for OKC, but an amazing trade for HOU. That being said, I also did not think he would be this good this soon.
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#6 Mario Peña

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:02 AM

I kind of wondered how good he was though I was pretty sure he was better than Martin and prospects. I am starting to think that in trying to emulate SA that OKC made a mistake of not starting Harden with Durant and Westbrook. I mean imagine their team if they had taken a different approach with Harden, actually we will never know. He is going to be one of the greats I think and I hope he always stays a Rocket.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be this good. To think I had secodn thoughts when the trade was made. smh...


It wasnt just you though, it probably was a 50/50 split that Morey had given up too much. And if he is able to make the biggest coup in free agency getting Dwight Howard (baggage and all), he would have the two superstars he has always wanted. And if one or two of the young players grow into the pieces we/Morey think, especially at the PF position, it could be Rockets Vs. Thunder for Western Conference supremecy for they 5-7 years.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:26 PM

Just a little sweetener on all of this--it looked like he was closing out much harder than usual on shooters in that Portland game. I'm cautiously optimistic that if McHale can manage Harden's minutes and the playoff race gets more intense, his defensive intensity will pick up as well. His D on LeBron the other day was solid.
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