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@  jorgeaam : (01 November 2014 - 04:52 AM) And then they all go to Miami (?)
@  Buckko : (01 November 2014 - 04:35 AM) I agree with FSS, we have KD's BFF, however we can sign KD in 2016 along with resigning dwight to a 5 year max while AD gets his 5 year max with NO and then they're FAs at the same time in 2021.
@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 08:46 PM) Don't get me wrong. Durant can come on over if he wants to. I'm not turning that down ever. He's just moved to my #2 slot now.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 08:38 PM) Hey, Davis would be nice too. I just see the Durant and Harden connection as something that gives Morey somewhere to work from.
@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 06:13 PM) I've left the Durant Dream...I'm all aboard the Anthony Davis Express. Morey should get a tattoo of Davis' face on his shoulder and tweet a pic of it to him--as an early recruiting pitch.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 12:57 PM) More fuel for the Durant dream.
@  jorgeaam : (31 October 2014 - 06:18 AM) It seems injuries will be the main thing this year again
@  thenit : (31 October 2014 - 04:09 AM) Good news for us. Westbrook out with a hand injury. No Reggie Jackson either. We might get a nice cushion on OKC
@  Cooper : (31 October 2014 - 02:44 AM) Their team d leaves a lot to be desired, bench play was poor as well it is early but the knicks aren't good at all.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM) Love's defense on that JR Smith drive was laughable.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 05:32 PM) yeah...but canaan was playing garbage time...and our guys were not playing well in it, went from 30 point lead to finish margin the 4th. so more like cannan even, bev plus 19, still bev >
@  SadLakerFan : (30 October 2014 - 04:47 AM) Realize that +/- isn't the best stat, but Bev +19 and Canaan -12?
@  thenit : (30 October 2014 - 03:50 AM) Westbrook will lead the league in scoring. Everything is going through him his usage rate must be like 50%
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 03:02 AM) bev just pulled up lame, not good.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) omg...harden just got a call out on good d by a jazz announcers!!!!
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) i've been maintaining the idea ariza vs parsons is a wash, and i think terry makes less mistakes than our guys last year, so he might not bring as much but doesn't take as much away either
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe losing Chandler isn't quite the problem that the media think it is. We have talent at the top. Depth helps.
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe it's just me, but I think we're deeper at wing with Ariza/Terry.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) maybe silver said something to ;em
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) yeah....seems like they finally figured it out tho.

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PEDs and do you care?


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#1 Chichos

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

After that Grantland piece http://www.grantland...sk-ped-question I wanted to ask, do you care?

In 9th grade I played basketball with a kid who was barely 5' because of a medical condition. His parents found some doctors who were concerned he would not grow much taller so they prescribed him HGH. I ended up being 5'10 and he ended up being 6'2". He had a legitimate medical condition and HGH helped him that much. So I imagine HGH works pretty well for athletes whose only concern is to be even bigger, faster, and stronger.

If Harden was on PEDs today would you care?

What if Lin took PEDs because he thought he would be cut by the Knicks and have to go overseas and that is how Linsanity started.

Obviously these are what ifs and I do not have any proof (nor do I want to find any). But for me I have come to realize I really don't care about the PED scandals because I feel a lot of guys are on something. Again no proof just a feeling.

So the question is do you care?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

I care in regards to the rules. If the rule is no PED's then no one should use. Personally, I don't think the NBA, or any sport, should ban them. If people want to use PED's, perform at higher levels, and do more amazing things for me to watch and enjoy at their own risk then what's the problem? Educate and regulate the PED's so that the product is as high of quality as possible and the users fully understand what they are doing. Probably should avoid letting kids have the stuff as a general rule.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

I think people forget that the main benefit is the healing aspect of PEDs. People can train more while using them, so the main effect is that you can train more. Which is basically saying you can work harder longer. If course you can also recover faster during games.

I think at the end of the day if the NBA doesn't go with genetic passports or another seriously enforced program then people should not be surprised when athletes do amazing things then get caught "enhancin."
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:43 PM

Meh as an avid baseball fan, where PEDs is constantly being talked about, I can care less what players put in their body. If they want an edge in the "now" but may be harmful in the future, let them do it but let the buyer beware. As long as they know the potential longterm risks, let them decide for themselves if it is worth it. Also, I know they can help you recover faster and train longer and harder, but I have always been of the opinion that one still must have the God given ability to perform and PEDs are not going to give you that ability, so I really don't know what the big deal is. Barry Bonds, for instance, was an awesome player before he did any PEDs and he just became a little more awesome after. I believe Roger Clemens did PEDs to heal faster from injuries much like Andy Pettitte, but Clemens' ability to throw the baseball was evident long before he took PEDs. Same goes for basketball, football, cycling or any other sport. As long as they know the risks and they are still willing to go through with it, by all means do it if you feel you need to.

Finally I do agree with johnny that kids should avoid the stuff as a general rule. It should be for people 21 and up.
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:lol: All in the game, yo, :D all in the game :lol:!


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:27 AM

I tend to think you can separate PEDs into two different categories: the once that give you a performance boost during games, and the ones that help you train harder or recover from injury stronger. I only really care about the former because those seem like they make the playing field on the day uneven, while also being testable. But for steroids and the like that are training aids rather than game-time enhancers, I have no issue. What a player does to get ready for game day is his business, and furthermore it is impractical/impossible to put the policing in place that would actually catch people who use them with any consistency. For example, if someone has been taking HGH from a young age, doing blood tests when they get to the NBA isn't going to prove anything. Ditto if during the off-season they take a few steroid pills and the traces are gone from their system by the time the season starts. But if someone is taking adrenaline shots or EPO or something before a game, that's the sort of thing you can spot and punish, and that's the sort of thing that should be spotted and punished, in my opinion.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:36 AM

One last thought on the matter: player's who choose to use should announce it (under the idea that PED's are allowed) so that their stats, achievements, and any hall of fame consideration is relative and relevant.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:14 AM

I don't like this whole thing. Maybe I'm a purist, but it should be banned in my opinion. Maybe, if you assume that players use it to train harder and longer, you should allow it during the offseason, but not during the season. Of course you have to have talent besides drugging (Armstrong was the greatest from all the junkies that compete in that discipline), but it's not fair for those who work as hard as them, maybe even more.

I do care....just a thought.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

I am against all doping period. I realize their are cheaters in all sports, but I want to see the players with god given talent in any sport. can you imagin.... all players would use if they lifted the ban. you would almost have to just to compete. here's a thought.....what about all those players who don't make it in sports and still suffer the effects of these drugs they have been using for years trying to compete. we don't have to worry about lance. roger or barry they have money to help with their future medical problems, but these other braindead zombies don't. I will give you one guess who's going to pay for them................us. am I my brother's keeper........yes I am.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:10 AM

my little brother was telling me that when he was in high school(like 3 years ago) a lot of kids were already using some form of steroids for athletics, made me feel kinda sick to know that. its never really been a thing in basketball i realized though, i wonder why that is?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

i don't care. without PEDs the game is already unfair if you look at people's genetics. some dudes have higher testosterone than others.

as long as it's supervised by a doctor.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

I don't like the idea of allowing them, but with that said one of two things need to happen. Either ramp up the investigation and testing methods to ensure absolutely nobody is taking PEDs or allow them based on a monitored, professionally regimented basis that is made public knowledge to the rest of the league and fans. Only in the interest of keeping the playing field even or making sure that the ones who do use are doing so in a safe manner. However I more favor the idea of keeping them banned and issuing very hard punishments for those who do use. Reason is because if they are allowed, then it will send a terrible and dangerous message to our youth. Users of PEDs should not be role models for our kids, people who achieve greatness from hard work should be. Our children have enough negative influence pulling on them from all sides and this would add just one more force against us.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

I guess I'm more of an all-or-nothing fan. If they want to ban PEDs, that's fine, but everyone needs to do it. Complete transparency, complete testing, level the playing field. For ALL sports.

There are other options, however. If you were to take a PED allowably, why not? Regulate it, make the player sign an indemnity waiver (no future legal actions because you can't walk at 42 years old!), and scale back their pay appropriately. OR - make everyone start a regimen of PEDs, administered by the club's medical staff.

As long as the field of play is equivalent, then there will be no questioning of "who did what". It would also test the dedication of professional athletes.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

No. not in our sport. Bigger isn't always better... if they want to get back to playing shape or get past an injury... so be it... we have the luxury that size doesn't matter. Lebron has always naturally been a big guy his whole life... adding bulk to his body would be idiotic.

See Dwight Howard.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

It's such a strange issue. Alituro, your point about role models resonates strongly with me. Kids are so impressionable and righteous. If they see their hero takes "the easy way" it would be nearly impossible to convince them to do otherwise. Not saying it can't be done, but I would rather my child looked up to someone who works hard, expects nothing, and finds a way to succeed.

My frustration with PED's has always been the two-faced way it is handled. To the public everyone says the right things, but in action very little is done. Assign a "death penalty" to PED use. Out of the sport, and you forfeit ALL earnings past, present, and future. Done. Nobody risks that. I realize there has to be no margin for error for this to work....It would be terrible for someone to be falsely accused. Ah, but how easy would it be to sabotage someone...slip 'em a little something without them realizing it. Boom, they're done. This is why we can't have nice things....power corrupts.
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