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@  Cooper : (20 September 2014 - 12:48 AM) Bennet? Or they have a couple other young guys.
@  txtdo1411 : (19 September 2014 - 10:29 PM) Did anybody else see that Minny offered Bledsoe a max? I believe they are over the cap, so it would have to be a S&T. I wonder who the Wolves feel they can deal to get Bledsoe.
@  thejohnnygold : (17 September 2014 - 10:46 PM) Nice article about Trevor Ariza. LINK
@  feelingsuper... : (15 September 2014 - 09:01 PM) Okay, I may have been a little harsh down below in my earlier comments but at the very least I agree with Bird, Paul George's comments were thoughtless. Thanks for the link jorgeaam.
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:24 PM) Here's a link http://www.sbnation....mestic-violence
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:23 PM) He made some comments about Ray Rice
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) WOJ just destroyed Coach K this morning.
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) FSS: what comments of George are you referring to?
@  rocketrick : (14 September 2014 - 12:41 PM) OK
@  thejohnnygold : (13 September 2014 - 03:43 PM) If anyone wants to discuss that please use the "Off-Topic" section of the forum. Thanks.
@  rocketrick : (13 September 2014 - 12:15 PM) Is Danny Ferry a "racist"??
@  feelingsuper... : (12 September 2014 - 02:42 PM) Kind of cool of Fran Fraschilla to acknowledge his false color commentary (on twitter today) during yesterdays game about what D-Mo jokingly said about Harden not eating with the team.
@  feelingsuper... : (11 September 2014 - 05:49 PM) After this morning Paul George doesn't look too good in the court of public opinion. He seems to come off more and more as a douchebag with very low ethical beliefs.
@  redfaithful : (10 September 2014 - 11:29 PM) Watching France dismantle the Spanish star squad, couldn't resist thanking Stern for cancelling the Pau trade - would have been very hard for me to root for him as a Rocket. So much better to have H&H.
@  thejohnnygold : (10 September 2014 - 04:06 PM) Whaaaaa....?
@  rocketrick : (10 September 2014 - 12:35 PM) So I've been watching Mike and Mike this morning for 2+ hours and still no mention whatsoever about USA Basketball and the FIBA Tournament. They did spend about 2 minutes on the Danny Ferry comment re: Luol Deng. Anyway, life goes on for us white folks............
@  Cooper : (08 September 2014 - 03:01 PM) His comments were dumb but not in sterling territory. Just flat out taking a 5-7 hundred million $ team from someone for that would be incredibly hard to justify.
@  rocketrick : (08 September 2014 - 12:12 PM) Another NBA Owner making thoughtless statements about race relations is selling their franchise and probably going to walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit to boot. What else is new?
@  thejohnnygold : (03 September 2014 - 07:03 PM) I don't recall seeing any of that....most of us are excited about his experience and the praise he is drawing from well-respected coaches. Perhaps you're confusing us with another group?
@  bladad : (03 September 2014 - 03:11 PM) Sorry I didn't get super excited over assists and defensive ratings when it looks like the generals versus the globetrotters out there.

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PEDs and do you care?


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#1 Chichos

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

After that Grantland piece http://www.grantland...sk-ped-question I wanted to ask, do you care?

In 9th grade I played basketball with a kid who was barely 5' because of a medical condition. His parents found some doctors who were concerned he would not grow much taller so they prescribed him HGH. I ended up being 5'10 and he ended up being 6'2". He had a legitimate medical condition and HGH helped him that much. So I imagine HGH works pretty well for athletes whose only concern is to be even bigger, faster, and stronger.

If Harden was on PEDs today would you care?

What if Lin took PEDs because he thought he would be cut by the Knicks and have to go overseas and that is how Linsanity started.

Obviously these are what ifs and I do not have any proof (nor do I want to find any). But for me I have come to realize I really don't care about the PED scandals because I feel a lot of guys are on something. Again no proof just a feeling.

So the question is do you care?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:17 PM

I care in regards to the rules. If the rule is no PED's then no one should use. Personally, I don't think the NBA, or any sport, should ban them. If people want to use PED's, perform at higher levels, and do more amazing things for me to watch and enjoy at their own risk then what's the problem? Educate and regulate the PED's so that the product is as high of quality as possible and the users fully understand what they are doing. Probably should avoid letting kids have the stuff as a general rule.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

I think people forget that the main benefit is the healing aspect of PEDs. People can train more while using them, so the main effect is that you can train more. Which is basically saying you can work harder longer. If course you can also recover faster during games.

I think at the end of the day if the NBA doesn't go with genetic passports or another seriously enforced program then people should not be surprised when athletes do amazing things then get caught "enhancin."
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:43 PM

Meh as an avid baseball fan, where PEDs is constantly being talked about, I can care less what players put in their body. If they want an edge in the "now" but may be harmful in the future, let them do it but let the buyer beware. As long as they know the potential longterm risks, let them decide for themselves if it is worth it. Also, I know they can help you recover faster and train longer and harder, but I have always been of the opinion that one still must have the God given ability to perform and PEDs are not going to give you that ability, so I really don't know what the big deal is. Barry Bonds, for instance, was an awesome player before he did any PEDs and he just became a little more awesome after. I believe Roger Clemens did PEDs to heal faster from injuries much like Andy Pettitte, but Clemens' ability to throw the baseball was evident long before he took PEDs. Same goes for basketball, football, cycling or any other sport. As long as they know the risks and they are still willing to go through with it, by all means do it if you feel you need to.

Finally I do agree with johnny that kids should avoid the stuff as a general rule. It should be for people 21 and up.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:27 AM

I tend to think you can separate PEDs into two different categories: the once that give you a performance boost during games, and the ones that help you train harder or recover from injury stronger. I only really care about the former because those seem like they make the playing field on the day uneven, while also being testable. But for steroids and the like that are training aids rather than game-time enhancers, I have no issue. What a player does to get ready for game day is his business, and furthermore it is impractical/impossible to put the policing in place that would actually catch people who use them with any consistency. For example, if someone has been taking HGH from a young age, doing blood tests when they get to the NBA isn't going to prove anything. Ditto if during the off-season they take a few steroid pills and the traces are gone from their system by the time the season starts. But if someone is taking adrenaline shots or EPO or something before a game, that's the sort of thing you can spot and punish, and that's the sort of thing that should be spotted and punished, in my opinion.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:36 AM

One last thought on the matter: player's who choose to use should announce it (under the idea that PED's are allowed) so that their stats, achievements, and any hall of fame consideration is relative and relevant.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:14 AM

I don't like this whole thing. Maybe I'm a purist, but it should be banned in my opinion. Maybe, if you assume that players use it to train harder and longer, you should allow it during the offseason, but not during the season. Of course you have to have talent besides drugging (Armstrong was the greatest from all the junkies that compete in that discipline), but it's not fair for those who work as hard as them, maybe even more.

I do care....just a thought.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

I am against all doping period. I realize their are cheaters in all sports, but I want to see the players with god given talent in any sport. can you imagin.... all players would use if they lifted the ban. you would almost have to just to compete. here's a thought.....what about all those players who don't make it in sports and still suffer the effects of these drugs they have been using for years trying to compete. we don't have to worry about lance. roger or barry they have money to help with their future medical problems, but these other braindead zombies don't. I will give you one guess who's going to pay for them................us. am I my brother's keeper........yes I am.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:10 AM

my little brother was telling me that when he was in high school(like 3 years ago) a lot of kids were already using some form of steroids for athletics, made me feel kinda sick to know that. its never really been a thing in basketball i realized though, i wonder why that is?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

i don't care. without PEDs the game is already unfair if you look at people's genetics. some dudes have higher testosterone than others.

as long as it's supervised by a doctor.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

I don't like the idea of allowing them, but with that said one of two things need to happen. Either ramp up the investigation and testing methods to ensure absolutely nobody is taking PEDs or allow them based on a monitored, professionally regimented basis that is made public knowledge to the rest of the league and fans. Only in the interest of keeping the playing field even or making sure that the ones who do use are doing so in a safe manner. However I more favor the idea of keeping them banned and issuing very hard punishments for those who do use. Reason is because if they are allowed, then it will send a terrible and dangerous message to our youth. Users of PEDs should not be role models for our kids, people who achieve greatness from hard work should be. Our children have enough negative influence pulling on them from all sides and this would add just one more force against us.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

I guess I'm more of an all-or-nothing fan. If they want to ban PEDs, that's fine, but everyone needs to do it. Complete transparency, complete testing, level the playing field. For ALL sports.

There are other options, however. If you were to take a PED allowably, why not? Regulate it, make the player sign an indemnity waiver (no future legal actions because you can't walk at 42 years old!), and scale back their pay appropriately. OR - make everyone start a regimen of PEDs, administered by the club's medical staff.

As long as the field of play is equivalent, then there will be no questioning of "who did what". It would also test the dedication of professional athletes.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

No. not in our sport. Bigger isn't always better... if they want to get back to playing shape or get past an injury... so be it... we have the luxury that size doesn't matter. Lebron has always naturally been a big guy his whole life... adding bulk to his body would be idiotic.

See Dwight Howard.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

It's such a strange issue. Alituro, your point about role models resonates strongly with me. Kids are so impressionable and righteous. If they see their hero takes "the easy way" it would be nearly impossible to convince them to do otherwise. Not saying it can't be done, but I would rather my child looked up to someone who works hard, expects nothing, and finds a way to succeed.

My frustration with PED's has always been the two-faced way it is handled. To the public everyone says the right things, but in action very little is done. Assign a "death penalty" to PED use. Out of the sport, and you forfeit ALL earnings past, present, and future. Done. Nobody risks that. I realize there has to be no margin for error for this to work....It would be terrible for someone to be falsely accused. Ah, but how easy would it be to sabotage someone...slip 'em a little something without them realizing it. Boom, they're done. This is why we can't have nice things....power corrupts.
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