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[timetodienow1234567]

It seems like the Rockets are having talks with the Pacers about acquiring Granger. They would have to give up quite a few guys to get the salaries to match. What do you guys think? Having a starting 5 of Lin/Harden/Granger/PPat/Asik would be an upgrade but we'd lose some depth.

[Rahat Huq]

link?

[sircharles]

http://www.foxsports...721&feedID=3725

thats the only link i found, and that was via hoopshype.


since the rockets are well below the salary cap they wouldnt HAVE to give up the equivelant to granger as far as salary goes, they can afford to take on a big contract and give up less.

[thejohnnygold]

It really depends on who we part with....we don't know how his knee is going to be moving forward. Will he be as mobile? He's 29 with a bum knee....I would need to feel really good about that first. If the knee is bad he is just a spot-up 3-pt shooter that would be way-overpaid. We already have a good one in Delfino for $3 million.

[sircharles]

im with jonnygold. i like granger but if he cant stay healthy he is no good to us. IF he is healthy id gladly take him, he would make us a lot better. His fg% has been dropping yearly but its still pretty high and he can score from anywhere. He also isnt very good on the defensive end so that would be a con. Decent rebounder. i dunno, i still like him and that would make it so he couldnt torch the rockets anymore(which he always does)

[Red94]

New post: On the Danny Granger report

[thejohnnygold]

Rahat, your point is well stated that acquiring Granger wouldn't cost much (Morey wouldn't do it if it did) and times out well for future free agency flexibility. Yet, I am very apprehensive as Granger plays SF--a position we are fairly comfortable with at the moment. Parsons obviously is entrenched as the starter for the foreseeable future. Delfino is more efficient as a 3-pt. threat and comfortable with his role as the back-up/specialist.

Granger's numbers have steadily declined over the past few seasons and now he carries the burden of a surgically repaired knee. Personally, I do not see the advantage of acquiring him unless we can sneak Ian Mahinmi into the deal....He is buried behind Hibbert on the depth chart, but at 6' 11" and 230 lbs that lithe frame could serve as an excellent weakside defender at the PF and receiver of easy lob pass dunks when Harden/Lin drive as well as an upgrade at back-up center over Aldrich. He has 4 years left on his contract in the $4 million range--not bad at all if he ends up being useful.

[rockets best fan]

danny granger...............NOOOOOOOOOOO! even though granger has had the reputation of a star for the last few years he has never appeared dominant to me(especially playing in the east aka least comf.). he (IMO) is not enough of an upgrade over parson for us to pursue him. he shoots a little better, but his defense is a couple of levels below parsons. unless we can get him for royce white I would pass. he simply doesn't bring enough to the table (IMO).

[phaketrash]

I've always liked the rental idea as much as (maybe more than?) the staying pat w/ salary cap idea, and both those ideas beat out giving up our 2014/2015 flexibility for JSmoove or the like. This fits in the Pau strategy, as Rahat mentioned, but seems to bring a little less to our team (for a little less $).

Would Parsons be our 6th man off the bench? If the season weren't already over half done, he'd give Crawford and co. a run for best 6th man money Would he spend some time at the 4 and bulk up? Both?

Not as hot on this trade now since I see it do what a move for Pau would, but for much less. SF is great already, Granger doesn't add anything to our team but $$$. At least Pau added a post game and upgrade at the 4. Of course, Pau would not be a cheap trade. If we got Granger for Delfino, 2Pat/MM, +expiring, would you do it? How about if we threw in one of TJones/DMo?

[timetodienow1234567]

Granger > Parsons. I know Parsons is great dollar for dollar, but don't kid yourself that he's as good as Granger. He's getting better, though. But for this season and probably next season, Granger is a better player than Parsons. I like Parsons a lot and hope that we keep him, but I think you're overvaluing him a tad.

[Alituro]

2 or 3 years ago I would have jumped on an opportunity to get Granger. Now, with Harden on board and the emergence of Asik, and the surprise, outstanding development of Parsons, I'd pass, even if just for a rental. I don't buy into, well, we have it, might as well spend it. Granger would handicap us defensively too much IMO, where we're already in the bottom of the league anyway. The choices here are a 29 year old former all star on the decline or a second year guy continually on the up and up. With the current situation we're in I'm taking the latter, if we were trying to win it all this year, then the former.

[feelingsupersonic]

You are right timetodie in these parts Parsons gets a little overvalued and Granger is definitely better than Parsons for now. Saying all that within the context of the situation I am not convinced adding Granger is in the teams best interest long term. Sure in a vacuum Granger is better than Parsons and it's not even close but in reality Parsons is the better fit for this team in the short term and long term, just my two cents.

[timetodienow1234567]

I agree feelingsupersonic, it's a risk with Granger's injuries. But we need to cash in on Parsons soon unless you think he can get good enough to shut down KD/LBJ/Melo? He's not a bad player and he could be a good role player on a championship team, but I just don't see superstar potential there. I think he can grow into a 2 or 3-time all star down the road if he continues to improve. I just don't see him as one of the core guys to win a championship. I do think Pau could really help us, but with his price tag of 19 mil it's not worth it to give up so much in assets for him. Granger would help us, but I don't think he makes us a championship contender, so it's probably better to stay put. But we SHOULD make at least a few moves. We have several expiring contracts, Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas, Delfino(although I hope we keep him). We could get back a decent player for teams doing a salary dump since we also have several million in cap space.

[Rahat Huq]

phaketrash: I agree in preferring Pau. But not sure that is feasible.

[thejohnnygold]

Also, remember this: if we bring in a veteran at SF or PF it will stunt the growth and evaluation of the players we are developing. To me that is a high cost for little gain. Very few players come into the league and just start lighting it up. Year 3 is when you really know what you've got and most of the roster is under that benchmark.

[sircharles]

then what should we use our cap space to upgrade? if we dont want to stunt the growth of our 3 and 4.....

[thejohnnygold]

Well, I like the idea of a strong defensive SG a la Courtney Lee. I am not sold on any of our back-up PG's yet. We also don't have a great back-up center. There are a lot of young, athletic bigs out there right now on mediocre teams....one of them might be willing to ship one out if they don't fit their philosophy/scheme.

[rockets best fan]

then what should we use our cap space to upgrade? if we dont want to stunt the growth of our 3 and 4.....

just because we have cap space doesn't mean we should be in a rush to spend it. nothing that is available right now is enough of an upgrade for us to lock ourselfs in for the next couple of years. both j smith or milsap can be had at seasons end without giving up any assets. if I was going to pursue someone I would go after bledsoe from the clippers. we need help at point guard. since it appears the clippers may listen to offers for him he would be an upgrade at a position we need and fitts in with our long term growth. I am against bringing in any old past their prime washed up vets for short term help. I don't want a bandaid. we need to continue the youth movement.

[feelingsupersonic]

I kind of share some similar views to you rockets best fan though I wouldn't call Gasol a washed up veteran. Although like Rahat already stated I don't believe a Gasol trade is feasible. I would love to get Bledsoe in a Rockets uniform and can only imagine what some Harden/Bledsoe versus Durant/Westbrook matchups would be like.

Back to the original point of this topic, I don't think most of us like Granger for the Rockets and in reality this trade probably won't happen right. I think another team will give up more than Morey is willing to part with.

[thejohnnygold]

then what should we use our cap space to upgrade? if we dont want to stunt the growth of our 3 and 4.....

Well, I like the idea of a strong defensive SG a la Courtney Lee. I am not sold on any of our back-up PG's yet. We also don't have a great back-up center. There are a lot of young, athletic bigs out there right now on mediocre teams....one of them might be willing to ship one out if they don't fit their philosophy/scheme.

a list of young centers I would like to pry from other teams:
Larry Sanders
Andre Drummond
Greg monroe
Ian Mahinmi
Trey Thompkins
JJ Hickson

We can pick up a veteran PG to back up the starter once we get closer to contention--presuming we haven't developed one from within.

James Anderson is not going to be a defensive star at the 2 for us...I still like him as an offensive threat assuming he figures it out, but would also like to get a 2 that can play alongside Lin/Harden and shut down his guy for 5-10 minutes at a time. Not sure who that is....Royal Ivey (ex-longhorn) has made a career out of that specialty.