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@  jorgeaam : (04 July 2015 - 03:48 AM) I don't get it, a troubled organization gets a troubled player, it has the potential to create chaos
@  Mario Peña : (04 July 2015 - 03:03 AM) The Kings got Rondo, ha!
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:37 AM) Hahaha, the Kings have been part of what's made it so fun!! (for everyone else, that is...)
@  jorgeaam : (04 July 2015 - 01:31 AM) Not for the Kings :P
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:06 AM) FA has been fun!!!!
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:05 AM) Also, Mavs recovered nicely with DJ. Not sure how valuable Matthews will be after his injury. The Clippers are an interesting situation now. If they can reprogram Stephenson, and get like Koufos, then they could still be pretty good
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:02 AM) I think these Bev/Brewer contracts are really dang good for us. If we get 2013 Beverly even for just 50% of his contract length, 6/yr, with the new cap, is a steal. Same with Brewer.
@  majik19 : (04 July 2015 - 12:27 AM) Calvin Watkins reported: "Rockets believe odds of getting LaMarcus Aldridge are stronger after the Beverley and Brewer deals. Rockets can do a sign-trade for him." Still find it super unlikely
@  majik19 : (04 July 2015 - 12:13 AM) these contracts are going to be very, very tradeable.
@  jorgeaam : (03 July 2015 - 11:25 PM) Bev is baaaack, 4 years 25 Mil
@  jorgeaam : (03 July 2015 - 11:08 PM) So the headbands might be back after all
@  majik19 : (03 July 2015 - 10:22 PM) i think that's very fair for Brewer given that Afflalo also got 8 mil/yr and Kyle Singler (????) got 5/yr
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 10:11 PM) 3 yrs/$24 Million for Brewer. Considering some of the contracts players have received this off-season, I like it.
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 09:45 PM) So Collison is reportedly not happy with the Kings meeting with FA PGs. That could be a good plan B if we don't get Aldridge. I know it has been discussed previously, but this is the first time I've seen it reported that Collison actually might be available.
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 09:41 PM) No way they trade Paul. They can still be a good team, and might be able to pick up Koufus or someone similar that will still make them competitive in the West. Championship team? Probably not, but Paul isn't going anywhere.
@  Cooper : (03 July 2015 - 08:15 PM) Wonder if the clips would think about trading Paul? Probably still a playoff team but they're the only one that got significantly worse.
@  Mario Peña : (03 July 2015 - 07:55 PM) I dunno, I think for the Cavs 16 is fine for Thompson but maybe not other teams. Looks like the Mavs are getting Jordan which I don't really like but may be okay now that I think about it. The Clippers get worse and the Mavs prolong the inevitable and will still be a fringe playoff team.
@  majik19 : (03 July 2015 - 07:01 PM) 16 mil a year IS way too much for Tristan Thompson. and 12 mil/yr on the surface seems reasonable to me, but if the "slow footed big man" is going extinct (re: Andrew Bogut in the Finals), then that may be a terrible contract
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 July 2015 - 04:19 PM) And cmon, Josh, just look at that franchise right now. You don't wanna go there...
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 July 2015 - 04:17 PM) It's pretty crazy, I have to reprogram my brain on what is and isn't a good contract. Though I still think 12/year for Asik and 16/year for Tristan Thompson are way too much

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#1 Red94

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

New post: Preview: Houston Rockets @ Denver Nuggets on January 30, 2013
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:08 AM

Watching the game, seriously don't know what Mchale is doing. Houston went on a nice little run had a 6 point lead in after 5 minutes in the 3rd quarter and takes Lin out, despite not doing anything to deserve that and douglas has played OK but nothing to warrant sitting Lin at that spot. McHale is so fucking irrational sometimes with his rotation, same with sitting Patterson for an extended period.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:09 AM

And now he subs Lin in when they Nuggets are ahead by 5
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#4 datruth

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:29 AM

why change your rotation. you just won three straight games. you beat hornets by 18, you beat the nets by 13 and then you bet jazz by 45. why change what was working and winning games. everytime this team start turning a corner, mchale start changing things.why why why why
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:32 AM

New post: Denver Nuggets 118, Houston Rockets 110: Nuggets Continue to Outshoot Intruders on Sight
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#6 myjohnlai

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:32 AM

Mr. 4th Quarter was yanked out of the game watching. This is not the first time. Then nuggets start pulling away. Not until they pulled away by more than a dozen points.

Lin was reinserted. It was too late!!!!!!

If you wanted to sub. Why didn't they take Harden out. He played 41 minutes!!!

A BIG DOUBLE STANDARD.
It's the coaches who screwed up again.
They just can't wait to take LIN out of the game.
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#7 myjohnlai

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:35 AM

Who is playing!!!!
The coaches are destroying the team .

Last time they did it. The Rocket went on a 7 game losing streaks.
Congratulations to McHale and Sampson.
They do it again today.
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#8 amacbrooks12

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

myjohnlai :

I am so sick and tired of people blaming the coaching staff for a loss, but when we win by 45 or go on a win streak they get no credit whatsoever. Mchale and the coaching staff actually did a great job in this game. The offense was flowing, Parsons Harden and Lin all had 20 point games and Asik had another ridiculous double double. It was a close game all the way until the 4th. Lin was obviously taken out for rest, and Douglas played quite well with his steals on defense and scoring. It all fell apart because of DEFENSE, TURNOVERS AND FT SHOOTING in a small period during the 4th. Its not really Mchales fault that Gallinari was making ridiculous contested threes and it's not his fault we missed 11 whole FT's. When Denver made a run Mchale actually made an adjustment by putting Lin back in and motivating the team. We came back and made it a game it was just too late. So please stop blaming the coaching staff for everything bad that happens.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

#amacbrooks12

Look the coaching staff has been insconsistent with their decision. Why would you sit Lin after 5 minutes in the 3rd Quarter. Obviously its not to rest him, if that is the case Lin is way out of shape and they were on a mini run when he took him out. Douglas had a decent game, but he didn't light up the scoreboard to insert him after 5 minutes into the 3rd. Also 2pat was doing pretty well shooting 4-6 and 5 rebounds, pretty good defence.

There is a double standard, e.g Harden had 2 turnovers in the 4th in 2 straight possesion, one where he WALKED back and the other slowly jogging back, where the nuggest hit a 3 and a dunk. Harden deserves to be criticized for lack of effort defensively because he is only pacing himself for offence. I'll put it this way, look at the superstars who wins championships, they play both defence and offence e.g Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, Garnett. Others who hash't won it are T-mac, Carter, Melo. Those are great offensive talents but they don't win because they dont even play defence. Harden is an top 5 offensive player but way below average defender.

The coaching staff gets the blame because he they seems to screw with the lineup too much, Parsons had a great game but somehow Delfino took some of the minutes from him despite shooting poorly and playing weak defence, like the time when he just runs under a nuggets player for an and-one.
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#10 Mario Peña

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

myjohnlai :

I am so sick and tired of people blaming the coaching staff for a loss, but when we win by 45 or go on a win streak they get no credit whatsoever. Mchale and the coaching staff actually did a great job in this game. The offense was flowing, Parsons Harden and Lin all had 20 point games and Asik had another ridiculous double double. It was a close game all the way until the 4th. Lin was obviously taken out for rest, and Douglas played quite well with his steals on defense and scoring. It all fell apart because of DEFENSE, TURNOVERS AND FT SHOOTING in a small period during the 4th. Its not really Mchales fault that Gallinari was making ridiculous contested threes and it's not his fault we missed 11 whole FT's. When Denver made a run Mchale actually made an adjustment by putting Lin back in and motivating the team. We came back and made it a game it was just too late. So please stop blaming the coaching staff for everything bad that happens.



Completely agree with you amacbrooks.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

Denver is not a team to get upset over losing to (especially on the road). We simply don't match up well with Denver. They can match our pace easily, and they have a defensive specialist (Iggy) who can really limit Harden. Our guys mostly had a good game regardless. We just got unlucky with Gallinari suddenly getting hot in the 4th and our 3-pt shooters being ice cold all game long.
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#12 thejohnnygold

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

Am I the only one around here that thinks Kade has made 2-3 new accounts and is using them all intermittently to "bandwagon" and trumpet his opinions?

I have taken to ignoring any posts with his "flavor"....dude's just a troll.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Can they send the coaches to D league?
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#14 thejohnnygold

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Can they send the coaches to D league?


Exhibit A... :P
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

It's just the discrepancy of how they treat Harden and how they treat the rest. Harden is treated as INFALLIBLE, while the rest are treated like crap. I mean Douglas sucked it up, then got hot for a few minutes, and then SUCKED it up. If they would have put Lin back in earlier, we would have won this game, or made it close. It's not about rest, don't lie like that. If anybody needs rest, it's harden. Some of you guys are making it seem like we're making this stuff up, when we're not. I understand that you don't really care, but don't say it's for rest or Douglas was doing good. He got SCHOOLED by Andre Miller. Almost as bad as getting schooled by Hinrich.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

I just went back and had a look at the play-by-play to see if there's anything to what you guys are saying. Lin was substituted for Douglas with 7:07 remaining in the third, with the score at 68-64 to Houston. The team then increased the lead after Douglas came in. If you remember, he stole the ball on back-to-back possessions, scoring easy layups. The team was up 85-77 with 1:00 left in the quarter. It therefore cannot have been a bad decision to take Lin out of the game in the third quarter, since the team stretched the lead in his absence.

Now, could McHale have put Lin back in earlier? Well, 8 seconds after the lead reached his peak (eg. 52 seconds remaining in the 3rd) he had one opportunity, as Brewer was sent to the line. It was understandable that he didn't do it there since the team was still on a roll at that point. But there were no other opportunities in the rest of the third (the only other stoppage was when Douglas himself was sent to the line, and you can't take him out then). The Nuggets make a couple of baskets at the end of the quarter and the lead was cut to three.

Start of the 4th quarter, and McHale puts out a lineup of Douglas, Delfino, Parsons, Morris and Asik. This is uncontroversial - nearly every team in the league rests their best players at the beginning of the 4th to allow them to play one long stint in the closing few minutes. That's why neither Harden nor Lin are present. Nuggets open the 4th quarter with two quick baskets and McHale calls a timeout. He takes out Delfino and Morris and inserts Harden and Patterson. Now, you could make a case that he should have inserted Lin at this point. I would need to rewatch the tape for the last couple of minutes of the game to determine whether or not it would have been prudent to take Douglas out here. Can't remember any great howlers off the top of my head, but I was feeling a bit under the weather while watching the game so I might have forgotten something.

Anyway, play continues for a further couple of minutes until 9:43, when Lin was put back in. During the intervening time, the score was 1-0 in favour of the Nuggets. So there was no big loss in leaving him out there for that stretch. That would imply that McHale did not make any huge mistake in taking Douglas out when he did.

Overall, I can only see one instance where it may have been prudent to take Douglas out (and I'd need to watch the tape to see if there was any pressing reason to). In any event, the decision to not take him cost the Rockets only 1 point in the grand scheme of things, and therefore was not a big deal. Basically, I can't see what you're up in arms about ttdn.

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#17 thejohnnygold

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:27 PM

wow, good stuff Sir Thursday. You're right, at this point it is only conjecture that Lin would have made any difference one way OR the other. There is no way to know that.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:42 PM

SirThursday:

I agree on some of the points that Lin didn't really make a difference neither did Tony. Also having hte starters sit at the start of 4th quarter is the standard. What I don't understand is that you take out your starting pg after 4.53 in the 3rd quarter when it wasn't warranted because Tony didn't light it up in the 1st and Lin wasn't blowing the game. Thats my problem with Mchale doing that to Lin and sometimes 2pat
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

SirThursday:

I agree on some of the points that Lin didn't really make a difference neither did Tony. Also having hte starters sit at the start of 4th quarter is the standard. What I don't understand is that you take out your starting pg after 4.53 in the 3rd quarter when it wasn't warranted because Tony didn't light it up in the 1st and Lin wasn't blowing the game. Thats my problem with Mchale doing that to Lin and sometimes 2pat


I'm not normally a fan of debating a decision soley based on the outcome (if you're taking a heave at the end of the shotclock it's still a bad shot even if it goes in), but in this instance I don't really have anything else to work with since I can't check the gameplay on League Pass at the moment. The team grew the lead while Douglas was in, and a significant proportion of that was directly due to Douglas (the two steals were entirely created by him, that's 4 points right off the bat). Are you saying with Lin on the floor the team would have done better than the +4 they got between 7:07 and 1:00 in the third? That doesn't seem like a particuarly strong argument.

I went back and had a look at when Lin has been subbed out during the third quarter in the past few games. Here are the results:

@ New Orleans: 5:43 remaining
vs Brooklyn: 4:43 remaining
@ Utah: 5:20 remaining

So in those games Lin got ~2 minutes more playing time in the third quarter before coming out. Are you really suggesting that McHale should be run out of town because he took Lin out of the game two minutes earlier than usual? When the team did well without him? Seems ridiculous to me...

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#20 Mario Peña

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

I understand that some of you are really big fans of Lin and that at times he is a dynamic game changer but normally he is an above average player (and let's forget comparing him to Harden because they happen to be on the same team and are not competing with each other except in the imagination of some misguided Rockets fans) that gets treated as such by McHale. There is nothing unfair about his treatment as any fan could deduce from the information Sir Thursday has provided us. Jeremy Lin is in no way displeased with how the Rockets organization and coaching staff treats him in fact he seems to be very dedicated to his team and his coaches, in reality.

If you have strong opinions about Jeremy Lin and are a big fan of his then that's great. If your opinion is that he should play more then that is fair just don't state that as a fact or if your opinion is that the Rockets would be better if he played more that's fine but that is an opinion unless you state some facts and prove otherwise.

As always outstanding posts Sir Thursday.
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