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@  Mario Peña : (07 July 2015 - 05:04 PM) @johnnygold Maybe but then again I'd guess the pickup might have to do with corner three's in some way, percentage or passing to.
@  Fury : (06 July 2015 - 09:51 PM) The Spurs just got West..... They have a legitimate backup big not named Diaw. They never needed one before.
@  redfaithful : (06 July 2015 - 07:50 PM) Any chance Celtics moving him?
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 06:14 PM) Evan Turner???? Classic buy low player for Morey.
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 05:57 PM) Agreed. It'll probably be someone we are not expecting again.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 05:08 PM) @Mario--Yes, I think waiting until January/February gives us a chance to see who has improved (Nick Johnson) and who is getting traded (Jones/Papa). By then, other teams will likely have some PG's available for cheaper than they are right now (Jennings/Collison/Lawson)
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 04:59 PM) @losthief--yeah, I understand that...it still sends a message to me that he isn't as good as people think he might be. I guess we'll find out this season :)
@  Losthief : (06 July 2015 - 04:02 PM) JG they let him go cause they got LMA and needed cap space...
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 03:53 PM) Also guys, I heard Jonathan Feigan the Rockets beat writer on 610 am yesterday say that he thinks Morey doesn't make any moves till in season. I like the move towards stability and I hope Smith comes back.
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 03:47 PM) @johnnygold, yup I think they are standing pat which was the plan all along but midway through the season if they can pick up some point guard insurance it will help relieve James and in the playoffs right?
@  MrZeno1911 : (06 July 2015 - 03:33 PM) I can see us making a move this week, if not, then i'm not that excited for this season. We need to lock up Smith and go after that secondary guard. We have a 2 (serviceable) guard rotation. Take notice around the league and a lot of teams are stacked at the 1 and 2 positions. We have enough 4's and 3's to make a workable trade and not lose any of our depth. We can beat any of the teams in the WCF if we stay healthy and we keep the team together, we literally would have a 10 man rotation.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 02:31 PM) @Mario--at this point I think we are looking at trading for a PG mid-season if at all.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 02:30 PM) For those who coveted Cory Jospeh, San Antonio just let him walk for nothing. What does that say? Of course, he got snatched up pretty fast by Toronto...
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 11:42 AM) Of the remaining point guards I like Norris Cole.
@  jorgeaam : (06 July 2015 - 05:32 AM) It works tho
@  cointurtlemoose : (06 July 2015 - 05:17 AM) Yeah, bboley, may be just you. Haha.
@  thenit : (06 July 2015 - 02:11 AM) out of the remaining pgs Lin is their best option utilizing the pick and roll with DJ, the cupboard is bare. Doesn't move the needle for us but we have a tougher division this year than the past season
@  jorgeaam : (05 July 2015 - 11:01 PM) Wow the Mavs want Lin, lol
@  bboley24 : (05 July 2015 - 10:47 PM) It's just me isn't it?
@  bboley24 : (05 July 2015 - 10:47 PM) Is it just me or does Kevin Durant have an ugly shot?

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#1 joshtwillis

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:26 AM

I wish someone would explain to me why you would spend 25 million dollars on a young player that's 24 years old and not give him the oppertunity to prove if he is gonna be the point guard of the future.....No excuse for Lin to be benched in the 4th quarters of these games, their is nothing positive to take or get out of it. The owner ship and the coaching staff need to get on the same page, If McHale is going to be the coach of the future and he doesn't feel like Lin is the right player for his system or this team, or whatever the case may be its time to start exploring the option of moving him. If that's not the case then simply,he needs to be on the court getting experience and developing chemistry with his teammates....It would be different if he was playing and learning behind a veteran player or there was someone on roster who had a legitimate chance of being the point guard of the future, but that's simply not the case....Patrick Beverly hasn't even had a cup of tea in the nba yet, and tony is on a one year deal and probably won't even be on the team next year....
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

I totally agree with you, McHale needs to either play him in the forth quarter or considering moving him. It's just a waste. If you play him consistently in those sitatuations, the worst thing that could happen, would be Lin is awful and rockets drops and get a good pick. At least you would know what you have since Lin's sample size is basically the same as a rookie.

Once again against the nuggets he benched him the whole 4th quarter despite that he wasnt playing that bad, although he wasn't great either. It seems like Mchale has different standards for every single player. Example is Morris, Lin and Smith, it seems like their minutes get cut if they make a few bad decision, but when delfino and harden for example takes bad shots or have turnovers, they keep their minutes.

Harden january stats:
January 12 39.7 7.9-19.4 .408 1.7-6.8 .244 7.9-9.5 .833 0.8 4.0 4.8 5.8 0.6 2.1 2.9 4.4
25.4

Lin
January 12 34.6 4.1-10.5 .389 1.0-3.3 .300 2.6-3.8 .674 0.8 3.0 3.8 5.2 0.0 2.3 2.8 3.2 11.8
Season
Lin" 43 33.2 4.5-10.6 .423 0.8-3.0 .281 2.3-2.9 .770 0.6 3.2 3.8 6.0 0.3 2.0 2.6 3.0
12.0
Harden 42 38.5 7.7-17.8 .433 1.9-5.8 .324 8.6-10.1 .853 4.5 5.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.8 25.9

Looking at the stats, there is obvious that Harden is the better player and more efficient than Lin,
but his turnovers are higher and the shooting % is almost identical.

In no way am Lin even close to harden's level but I just want McHale to show what even your star player should take some responsibility.
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#3 DaDakota

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

Lin is horrible as a spot shooter, he shoots much better when he bounces the ball.

I think that he was signed as a marketing ploy while they rebuilt, and then once they got Harden they regretted letting Gogi and Scola go.

Lin/Harden do not fit.....

Both are turnover prone, and Lin is just not good enough as a shooter to play share the ball.....nor is he good enough to hog the ball...

Ugh, what a 25 million dollar mess.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

Letting go of scola was the right move regardless but it's becoming more obvious that harden and Lin can't play to their best ability when on the court at the same time, still have some time to maybe work it out but I'd look into what offers you could get for Lin around the deadline in fact I'd listen to offers for any player but Harden. And on making harden responsible, he knows he has to perform for the team to be good (at least id hope so)putting him on the bench if he's In a slump Isn't going to help anyone. The lakers don't bench Kobe when he's having a poor shooting night or bulls with rose, thunder and Westbrook etc...
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#5 phaketrash

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:02 AM

Lin was mostly a marketing ploy before Harden came along, but that doesn't change the current situation. They need to play him more in the fourth...I agree. That being said, I'm not against a deal that moves Lin and nets us a better piece back. His potential and skills are somewhat repressed here in Houston...either by circumstances or coaching...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:59 AM

Actually, I would take the ball away from Harden more often and let Lin initiate.

Half of the problem with Lin is his natural instincts seem to be to defer, rather than take charge, last year he was almost out of the league and IIRC decided to just play his game.

Well, that is exactly what he should do now....wave Harden off.....more often...take charge out there...


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#7 Jeby

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

It's hard to say that signing Lin was a marketing ploy, and then point out that he plays better without Harden. Lin was the most promising player available when the Rockets signed him, and he plays best as a ball-dominator. Harden is so good that the Rockets had to trade for him when they had the chance, regardless of whether he fit with Lin.
The main thing Lin really needs to fix to fit with Harden is his jump shot. But that's something that typically has to be reworked in the off-season, and to expect to see him improve his stroke on the fly during the season is unrealistic.
What I would like to see a little more of would be Harden running around off-ball screens to get open for jumpers while Lin handles the ball. That scenario wouldn't maximize Harden's skill as a playmaker, but I think it would maximize their skills as a pair.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Agree with Jeby. Since McHale is playing Harden as the primary ballhandler (whether we like it or not, we all now it's not the right thing to do), what Lin needs to do is to improve his jumpshot, at least to league average %, and the time to work on that is during the off-season. Harden could work on that too, because right now, he also doesn't seem to play very well off the ball. I'd like him to run around some off-ball screens looking for a clear shot, but I see the same lack of effort that we normally see when he plays defense, he is just sitting around and wait for the ball to come.

Don't get me wrong, he is our future, but right now I don't see him working hard enough to fill some current needs that we have as a team and only contents to what he does best: isolation and getting and-ones.
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