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@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 07:16 PM) Philly "doing it right" is a catch-22 when doing it right is completely sacrificing competitiveness for almost entire seasons. I see what you're saying, and it's not Philly's fault.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 05:59 PM) I need more to go on to write something up. Just brainstorming right now. Monroe is more of a defensive plus at the 4 than the 5; I think the reason he played the 5 early on his because he couldn't shoot--no longer the case.
@  08huangj : (23 October 2014 - 12:28 PM) He just doesn't seem like a four to me, he started his career as a center. I also don't think that he'd be happy to be a backup and what does a very reasonable price mean. Maybe you can create a thread.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 10:14 AM) Monroe would not only improve our starting 4 spot but also serve as a backup center.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 10:12 AM) Should we go after Greg Monroe? He seems to have improved his midrange shot, and considering the likelihood he walks, we might be able to acquire him for a very reasonable price.
@  Buckko : (23 October 2014 - 04:31 AM) I have no problem with philly tanking. If you're gonna do something, do it right. They should be an extremely entertaining team in a few years.
@  Willk : (23 October 2014 - 01:23 AM) 2016 - I agree. I would rather see Canaan play than Ish
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 01:19 AM) Isaiah Canaan seems to get better with every game.
@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 12:09 AM) That said, Philly is ridiculous. It's entertaining on a level, but it's also out of hand. I was for the reform with the proposed percentages they voted on today. Surprised it didn't pass.
@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 12:08 AM) I think it's interesting Mr. Rick. It's kind of a give and take to me. I'm totally okay with teams intentionally going through a 'rebuilding' phase, and I don't think you want to erase that too much with something like the wheel idea.
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 10:32 PM) No Lipstick on this Pig........NBA GM's say without a doubt James Harden is the #1 SG and Dwight Howard is the #1 C. Probably more hate coming my way for mentioning. I would just like an occasional informative article on this site from time to time but I guess I just expect too much........
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 09:41 PM) Why the hate when I post something of consequence?
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 09:41 PM) Wow, so it sounds like everyone is good with the lottery system as is and teams like Philadelphia can continue to strive for more ping=pong balls season after season rather than be expected to field a competitive team. I am shocked that nobody cares whatsoever about the consequences of what this means going forward (same as always)........
@  thejohnnygold : (22 October 2014 - 09:19 PM) Yeah, I don't find much interest in the lottery system change fail. That being said, perhaps you can just start a topic thread like normal people, see what happens, and not condescend the other members in the process. :)
@  feelingsuper... : (22 October 2014 - 07:43 PM) I'm not terribly interested in the 17 to 13 vote that occurred regarding the Lottery. There's my vote.
@  Losthief : (22 October 2014 - 07:36 PM) @rocketrick sure man, lottery stuff is interesting in a nba sense, i didn't post it here cause its not likely to have much impact on rockets per se, cause i expect us to trade that pellies pick and im not expecting us to be in the lottery (plus didn't we give ours to LAL?)
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 07:21 PM) Is it worth writing a topic regarding the NBA Lottery System and possible changes or am I expecting too much from this site?
@  txtdo1411 : (22 October 2014 - 07:05 PM) Reading the responses to the NBA GM votes, the SG position is the weakest it has been in 30 years. Harden is the worst "best SG in the league" ever. Blah, blah, blah, defense...
@  feelingsuper... : (22 October 2014 - 06:59 PM) Also, one team left to register on the Red94 Fantasy Basketball League, if you haven't checked your email please go ahead and get that rolling. Get your draft orders ready for Sunday.
@  feelingsuper... : (22 October 2014 - 06:56 PM) Dwight and James both earned the number 1 spot at their respective positions according to votes cast by NBA General Managers. It sure is great to have some elite players in Houston again.

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#1 joshtwillis

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:26 AM

I wish someone would explain to me why you would spend 25 million dollars on a young player that's 24 years old and not give him the oppertunity to prove if he is gonna be the point guard of the future.....No excuse for Lin to be benched in the 4th quarters of these games, their is nothing positive to take or get out of it. The owner ship and the coaching staff need to get on the same page, If McHale is going to be the coach of the future and he doesn't feel like Lin is the right player for his system or this team, or whatever the case may be its time to start exploring the option of moving him. If that's not the case then simply,he needs to be on the court getting experience and developing chemistry with his teammates....It would be different if he was playing and learning behind a veteran player or there was someone on roster who had a legitimate chance of being the point guard of the future, but that's simply not the case....Patrick Beverly hasn't even had a cup of tea in the nba yet, and tony is on a one year deal and probably won't even be on the team next year....
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

I totally agree with you, McHale needs to either play him in the forth quarter or considering moving him. It's just a waste. If you play him consistently in those sitatuations, the worst thing that could happen, would be Lin is awful and rockets drops and get a good pick. At least you would know what you have since Lin's sample size is basically the same as a rookie.

Once again against the nuggets he benched him the whole 4th quarter despite that he wasnt playing that bad, although he wasn't great either. It seems like Mchale has different standards for every single player. Example is Morris, Lin and Smith, it seems like their minutes get cut if they make a few bad decision, but when delfino and harden for example takes bad shots or have turnovers, they keep their minutes.

Harden january stats:
January 12 39.7 7.9-19.4 .408 1.7-6.8 .244 7.9-9.5 .833 0.8 4.0 4.8 5.8 0.6 2.1 2.9 4.4
25.4

Lin
January 12 34.6 4.1-10.5 .389 1.0-3.3 .300 2.6-3.8 .674 0.8 3.0 3.8 5.2 0.0 2.3 2.8 3.2 11.8
Season
Lin" 43 33.2 4.5-10.6 .423 0.8-3.0 .281 2.3-2.9 .770 0.6 3.2 3.8 6.0 0.3 2.0 2.6 3.0
12.0
Harden 42 38.5 7.7-17.8 .433 1.9-5.8 .324 8.6-10.1 .853 4.5 5.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.8 25.9

Looking at the stats, there is obvious that Harden is the better player and more efficient than Lin,
but his turnovers are higher and the shooting % is almost identical.

In no way am Lin even close to harden's level but I just want McHale to show what even your star player should take some responsibility.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

Lin is horrible as a spot shooter, he shoots much better when he bounces the ball.

I think that he was signed as a marketing ploy while they rebuilt, and then once they got Harden they regretted letting Gogi and Scola go.

Lin/Harden do not fit.....

Both are turnover prone, and Lin is just not good enough as a shooter to play share the ball.....nor is he good enough to hog the ball...

Ugh, what a 25 million dollar mess.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

Letting go of scola was the right move regardless but it's becoming more obvious that harden and Lin can't play to their best ability when on the court at the same time, still have some time to maybe work it out but I'd look into what offers you could get for Lin around the deadline in fact I'd listen to offers for any player but Harden. And on making harden responsible, he knows he has to perform for the team to be good (at least id hope so)putting him on the bench if he's In a slump Isn't going to help anyone. The lakers don't bench Kobe when he's having a poor shooting night or bulls with rose, thunder and Westbrook etc...
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#5 phaketrash

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:02 AM

Lin was mostly a marketing ploy before Harden came along, but that doesn't change the current situation. They need to play him more in the fourth...I agree. That being said, I'm not against a deal that moves Lin and nets us a better piece back. His potential and skills are somewhat repressed here in Houston...either by circumstances or coaching...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:59 AM

Actually, I would take the ball away from Harden more often and let Lin initiate.

Half of the problem with Lin is his natural instincts seem to be to defer, rather than take charge, last year he was almost out of the league and IIRC decided to just play his game.

Well, that is exactly what he should do now....wave Harden off.....more often...take charge out there...


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#7 Jeby

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

It's hard to say that signing Lin was a marketing ploy, and then point out that he plays better without Harden. Lin was the most promising player available when the Rockets signed him, and he plays best as a ball-dominator. Harden is so good that the Rockets had to trade for him when they had the chance, regardless of whether he fit with Lin.
The main thing Lin really needs to fix to fit with Harden is his jump shot. But that's something that typically has to be reworked in the off-season, and to expect to see him improve his stroke on the fly during the season is unrealistic.
What I would like to see a little more of would be Harden running around off-ball screens to get open for jumpers while Lin handles the ball. That scenario wouldn't maximize Harden's skill as a playmaker, but I think it would maximize their skills as a pair.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Agree with Jeby. Since McHale is playing Harden as the primary ballhandler (whether we like it or not, we all now it's not the right thing to do), what Lin needs to do is to improve his jumpshot, at least to league average %, and the time to work on that is during the off-season. Harden could work on that too, because right now, he also doesn't seem to play very well off the ball. I'd like him to run around some off-ball screens looking for a clear shot, but I see the same lack of effort that we normally see when he plays defense, he is just sitting around and wait for the ball to come.

Don't get me wrong, he is our future, but right now I don't see him working hard enough to fill some current needs that we have as a team and only contents to what he does best: isolation and getting and-ones.
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