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@  rocketrick : (14 September 2014 - 12:41 PM) OK
@  thejohnnygold : (13 September 2014 - 03:43 PM) If anyone wants to discuss that please use the "Off-Topic" section of the forum. Thanks.
@  rocketrick : (13 September 2014 - 12:15 PM) Is Danny Ferry a "racist"??
@  feelingsuper... : (12 September 2014 - 02:42 PM) Kind of cool of Fran Fraschilla to acknowledge his false color commentary (on twitter today) during yesterdays game about what D-Mo jokingly said about Harden not eating with the team.
@  feelingsuper... : (11 September 2014 - 05:49 PM) After this morning Paul George doesn't look too good in the court of public opinion. He seems to come off more and more as a douchebag with very low ethical beliefs.
@  redfaithful : (10 September 2014 - 11:29 PM) Watching France dismantle the Spanish star squad, couldn't resist thanking Stern for cancelling the Pau trade - would have been very hard for me to root for him as a Rocket. So much better to have H&H.
@  thejohnnygold : (10 September 2014 - 04:06 PM) Whaaaaa....?
@  rocketrick : (10 September 2014 - 12:35 PM) So I've been watching Mike and Mike this morning for 2+ hours and still no mention whatsoever about USA Basketball and the FIBA Tournament. They did spend about 2 minutes on the Danny Ferry comment re: Luol Deng. Anyway, life goes on for us white folks............
@  Cooper : (08 September 2014 - 03:01 PM) His comments were dumb but not in sterling territory. Just flat out taking a 5-7 hundred million $ team from someone for that would be incredibly hard to justify.
@  rocketrick : (08 September 2014 - 12:12 PM) Another NBA Owner making thoughtless statements about race relations is selling their franchise and probably going to walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit to boot. What else is new?
@  thejohnnygold : (03 September 2014 - 07:03 PM) I don't recall seeing any of that....most of us are excited about his experience and the praise he is drawing from well-respected coaches. Perhaps you're confusing us with another group?
@  bladad : (03 September 2014 - 03:11 PM) Sorry I didn't get super excited over assists and defensive ratings when it looks like the generals versus the globetrotters out there.
@  thejohnnygold : (02 September 2014 - 09:48 PM) @bladad--no, you are not the only one to recognize how different Team USA is from our own team. You are just the only one who saw fit to view it negatively.
@  rocketrick : (02 September 2014 - 05:11 PM) Just Wake Me Up in Mid-September when USA-Spain play for the 1-game Title....
@  bladad : (02 September 2014 - 03:41 PM) Am I the only one that doesn't think Harden's stats during Team USA's run has anything to do with how he will play during the season? He is playing with the best players in the world. Most if not all the players can stretch the floor as well. They are also playing piss poor competition at the moment....
@  Willk : (02 September 2014 - 02:20 AM) Jeff Adrien is a bad man http://twitpic.com/dlrurt
@  jorgeaam : (01 September 2014 - 04:07 AM) Probably a Parsons and a Beverley on those second rounders :P
@  feelingsuper... : (31 August 2014 - 09:31 PM) I don't mind Terry, it's a low cost gamble. I do like the 2 second rounders Morey acquired.
@  feelingsuper... : (31 August 2014 - 09:30 PM) Harden looked good once he got past the foul trouble and Coach K put the ball in his hands unlike the first half.
@  Willk : (31 August 2014 - 09:15 PM) harden 7 assists 0 TOs

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#1 joshtwillis

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:26 AM

I wish someone would explain to me why you would spend 25 million dollars on a young player that's 24 years old and not give him the oppertunity to prove if he is gonna be the point guard of the future.....No excuse for Lin to be benched in the 4th quarters of these games, their is nothing positive to take or get out of it. The owner ship and the coaching staff need to get on the same page, If McHale is going to be the coach of the future and he doesn't feel like Lin is the right player for his system or this team, or whatever the case may be its time to start exploring the option of moving him. If that's not the case then simply,he needs to be on the court getting experience and developing chemistry with his teammates....It would be different if he was playing and learning behind a veteran player or there was someone on roster who had a legitimate chance of being the point guard of the future, but that's simply not the case....Patrick Beverly hasn't even had a cup of tea in the nba yet, and tony is on a one year deal and probably won't even be on the team next year....
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

I totally agree with you, McHale needs to either play him in the forth quarter or considering moving him. It's just a waste. If you play him consistently in those sitatuations, the worst thing that could happen, would be Lin is awful and rockets drops and get a good pick. At least you would know what you have since Lin's sample size is basically the same as a rookie.

Once again against the nuggets he benched him the whole 4th quarter despite that he wasnt playing that bad, although he wasn't great either. It seems like Mchale has different standards for every single player. Example is Morris, Lin and Smith, it seems like their minutes get cut if they make a few bad decision, but when delfino and harden for example takes bad shots or have turnovers, they keep their minutes.

Harden january stats:
January 12 39.7 7.9-19.4 .408 1.7-6.8 .244 7.9-9.5 .833 0.8 4.0 4.8 5.8 0.6 2.1 2.9 4.4
25.4

Lin
January 12 34.6 4.1-10.5 .389 1.0-3.3 .300 2.6-3.8 .674 0.8 3.0 3.8 5.2 0.0 2.3 2.8 3.2 11.8
Season
Lin" 43 33.2 4.5-10.6 .423 0.8-3.0 .281 2.3-2.9 .770 0.6 3.2 3.8 6.0 0.3 2.0 2.6 3.0
12.0
Harden 42 38.5 7.7-17.8 .433 1.9-5.8 .324 8.6-10.1 .853 4.5 5.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.8 25.9

Looking at the stats, there is obvious that Harden is the better player and more efficient than Lin,
but his turnovers are higher and the shooting % is almost identical.

In no way am Lin even close to harden's level but I just want McHale to show what even your star player should take some responsibility.
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#3 DaDakota

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

Lin is horrible as a spot shooter, he shoots much better when he bounces the ball.

I think that he was signed as a marketing ploy while they rebuilt, and then once they got Harden they regretted letting Gogi and Scola go.

Lin/Harden do not fit.....

Both are turnover prone, and Lin is just not good enough as a shooter to play share the ball.....nor is he good enough to hog the ball...

Ugh, what a 25 million dollar mess.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

Letting go of scola was the right move regardless but it's becoming more obvious that harden and Lin can't play to their best ability when on the court at the same time, still have some time to maybe work it out but I'd look into what offers you could get for Lin around the deadline in fact I'd listen to offers for any player but Harden. And on making harden responsible, he knows he has to perform for the team to be good (at least id hope so)putting him on the bench if he's In a slump Isn't going to help anyone. The lakers don't bench Kobe when he's having a poor shooting night or bulls with rose, thunder and Westbrook etc...
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#5 phaketrash

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:02 AM

Lin was mostly a marketing ploy before Harden came along, but that doesn't change the current situation. They need to play him more in the fourth...I agree. That being said, I'm not against a deal that moves Lin and nets us a better piece back. His potential and skills are somewhat repressed here in Houston...either by circumstances or coaching...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:59 AM

Actually, I would take the ball away from Harden more often and let Lin initiate.

Half of the problem with Lin is his natural instincts seem to be to defer, rather than take charge, last year he was almost out of the league and IIRC decided to just play his game.

Well, that is exactly what he should do now....wave Harden off.....more often...take charge out there...


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#7 Jeby

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

It's hard to say that signing Lin was a marketing ploy, and then point out that he plays better without Harden. Lin was the most promising player available when the Rockets signed him, and he plays best as a ball-dominator. Harden is so good that the Rockets had to trade for him when they had the chance, regardless of whether he fit with Lin.
The main thing Lin really needs to fix to fit with Harden is his jump shot. But that's something that typically has to be reworked in the off-season, and to expect to see him improve his stroke on the fly during the season is unrealistic.
What I would like to see a little more of would be Harden running around off-ball screens to get open for jumpers while Lin handles the ball. That scenario wouldn't maximize Harden's skill as a playmaker, but I think it would maximize their skills as a pair.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Agree with Jeby. Since McHale is playing Harden as the primary ballhandler (whether we like it or not, we all now it's not the right thing to do), what Lin needs to do is to improve his jumpshot, at least to league average %, and the time to work on that is during the off-season. Harden could work on that too, because right now, he also doesn't seem to play very well off the ball. I'd like him to run around some off-ball screens looking for a clear shot, but I see the same lack of effort that we normally see when he plays defense, he is just sitting around and wait for the ball to come.

Don't get me wrong, he is our future, but right now I don't see him working hard enough to fill some current needs that we have as a team and only contents to what he does best: isolation and getting and-ones.
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