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@  Buckko : (24 October 2014 - 03:57 AM) That's an understatement Cooper.
@  rockets best... : (24 October 2014 - 01:16 AM) Nash should have quit 4 years ago
@  Cooper : (24 October 2014 - 01:15 AM) suns really sold high on him.
@  Willk : (24 October 2014 - 12:03 AM) sad to see nash's career end like this
@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 07:16 PM) Philly "doing it right" is a catch-22 when doing it right is completely sacrificing competitiveness for almost entire seasons. I see what you're saying, and it's not Philly's fault.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 05:59 PM) I need more to go on to write something up. Just brainstorming right now. Monroe is more of a defensive plus at the 4 than the 5; I think the reason he played the 5 early on his because he couldn't shoot--no longer the case.
@  08huangj : (23 October 2014 - 12:28 PM) He just doesn't seem like a four to me, he started his career as a center. I also don't think that he'd be happy to be a backup and what does a very reasonable price mean. Maybe you can create a thread.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 10:14 AM) Monroe would not only improve our starting 4 spot but also serve as a backup center.
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 10:12 AM) Should we go after Greg Monroe? He seems to have improved his midrange shot, and considering the likelihood he walks, we might be able to acquire him for a very reasonable price.
@  Buckko : (23 October 2014 - 04:31 AM) I have no problem with philly tanking. If you're gonna do something, do it right. They should be an extremely entertaining team in a few years.
@  Willk : (23 October 2014 - 01:23 AM) 2016 - I agree. I would rather see Canaan play than Ish
@  2016Champions : (23 October 2014 - 01:19 AM) Isaiah Canaan seems to get better with every game.
@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 12:09 AM) That said, Philly is ridiculous. It's entertaining on a level, but it's also out of hand. I was for the reform with the proposed percentages they voted on today. Surprised it didn't pass.
@  cointurtlemoose : (23 October 2014 - 12:08 AM) I think it's interesting Mr. Rick. It's kind of a give and take to me. I'm totally okay with teams intentionally going through a 'rebuilding' phase, and I don't think you want to erase that too much with something like the wheel idea.
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 10:32 PM) No Lipstick on this Pig........NBA GM's say without a doubt James Harden is the #1 SG and Dwight Howard is the #1 C. Probably more hate coming my way for mentioning. I would just like an occasional informative article on this site from time to time but I guess I just expect too much........
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 09:41 PM) Why the hate when I post something of consequence?
@  rocketrick : (22 October 2014 - 09:41 PM) Wow, so it sounds like everyone is good with the lottery system as is and teams like Philadelphia can continue to strive for more ping=pong balls season after season rather than be expected to field a competitive team. I am shocked that nobody cares whatsoever about the consequences of what this means going forward (same as always)........
@  thejohnnygold : (22 October 2014 - 09:19 PM) Yeah, I don't find much interest in the lottery system change fail. That being said, perhaps you can just start a topic thread like normal people, see what happens, and not condescend the other members in the process. :)
@  feelingsuper... : (22 October 2014 - 07:43 PM) I'm not terribly interested in the 17 to 13 vote that occurred regarding the Lottery. There's my vote.
@  Losthief : (22 October 2014 - 07:36 PM) @rocketrick sure man, lottery stuff is interesting in a nba sense, i didn't post it here cause its not likely to have much impact on rockets per se, cause i expect us to trade that pellies pick and im not expecting us to be in the lottery (plus didn't we give ours to LAL?)

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#1 Red94

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

New post: Houston Rockets @ Minnesota Timberwolves on 1/19/2013
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#2 miketheodio

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:06 AM

arrrrrrrg
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#3 Red94

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:14 AM

New post: Minnesota Timberwolves 92, Houston Rockets 79: Rock Bottom Hits Hard
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:58 AM

What I don't understand is how many losses and terrible preformances do we have to have in a row before the coaching staff realizes harden is not a point guard. He's not going to be able to play 40 plus minutes a nite and initiate 95 percent of the offense, it's just not working. If this is the offense they insist On running they would be better off not starting a traditional Point guard like Lin or Beverly, who's strengths are absolutley not playing of the ball and standing in the corner waiting on harden to decide what he wants to do with the ball. They would be better off starting Tony or Delfino who are actually spot up shoters and could stand there and wait for the ball to come their way......
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:17 AM

Lin figured out how to adjust to Harden from Dec-early Jan by picking and choosing his spots. It worked even though Lin was playing a role that is not optimally suited to his strengths. That approach has faltered now because teams have keyed on Harden and have denied him FT attempts and drives. He is an average to streaky jump shooter and teams are sending an extra guy to crowd the paint and get him out of his comfort zone. He is slowing the team down and Lin is relegated to a spot up shooter, which is not his strength. He is an inside-out PG who lives in the paint and is a rhythm jump shooter. The right move is for McHale to put the ball in Lin's hands and let him play to his strengths. harden is a great scorer and will easily get his numbers and do so more efficiently as a true #2. Putting the ball in Lin's hands will also reduce the amount of ball handling by the front court, which will lower the turnover rate and pts off of turnovers.
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#6 datruth

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:58 AM

again Mchale has an double standard toward his players. Trust is an two street. Lin is the pg he should run the office, but everytime the offense gets a rythem Harden holds the ball an goes one on one. It takes the whole team out of rythem. It seems like the whole team is playing on eggs shells. Lin , parson, morris, patterson confidence is shot. He goes back and forth on his line up. If someone hot he pulls them out of the game. If someone is playing hard he pulls them out of the game. I'm not sure if he making the calls or sampson. I can see and everyone else can see his using of lin is disrespectful. Morris and patterson rather shoot three's than mid range shots. Omer drops more passes than any big man in the league. we have no post scoring and mchale supposed to have brought that to the table. Tony douglass has done some good things then you bench him for beverly. a kid just signed to the team. You bench lin and douglass, then defino is an liability on the defense side of the ball and always has been. harden rather try to sneek out for an easy two than play defense. Mchale team was coming together then he just blew it up.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

This is just getting depressing now.
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#8 feelingsupersonic

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

I think this is to be expected. I didn't get too high on the Rockets when they had the win streak going and I won't get too down on them now. This young team will have extreme ups and downs and that's a fact. Young teams have bad losing streaks as well as really bad losses. I guess none of you remember how bad Durant's teams were for his first few years. Young teams and teams with young leaders suffer through growing pains on the the court and in the locker room. This is part of the process.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

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I agree with what feelingsupersonic's observation about the growing pains of a young team.

However, there are usually a number of factors that contribute to losing streaks and this one is no different. The problem I have is that one of the factors in this particular losing streak is the stubborn resistance of the coaching staff to make any meaningful adjustments to help the team.

I mean, really. Giving Patrick Beverley minutes at PG is not a major adjustment. Teams have adjusted to Harden running the half-court offense, so change it and run him off some screens and backside picks. Given the lack of production from the PF position, how would it hurt to give Montejunus a look? In the limited times that Asik and Smith have played together, the lineup has been reasonably productive -- why not try some rotations with those two in the lineup?

An NBA season is a continuum of adjustments. Failing to make them will leave a team in the dust. That's what the Rockets are experiencing right now.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

Correction to the article - Harden was 3 for 12, not 8 for 10. This team is starting to look like the Knicks, with iso-Harden instead of iso-Melo. Let's go back to the spread pick&roll
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#11 Dan G

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

Correction to the article - Harden was 3 for 12, not 8 for 10. This team is starting to look like the Knicks, with iso-Harden instead of iso-Melo. Let's go back to the spread pick&roll


Correction to essex's correction to the article hehe..- Harden was 5-18, not 3-12. I think you are thinking of Lin who was 3-12, and I think Forrest had wishful thinking :P.
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:lol: All in the game, yo, :D all in the game :lol:!


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

Bad coaching
Not trusting rookies
Having players like harden running team like a PG instead of our PG
GM who shows year after year to just make trades and throw darts without a concrete plan
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Out of playoffs once again
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#13 sircharles

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

lol its january and were in 9th place, you're absolutely ridiculous.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

Not to mention we're on a 7 game slide and still only in 9th place. Once we get our game going again we will regain some positioning. Plenty of time left.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

Bad coaching
Not trusting rookies
Having players like harden running team like a PG instead of our PG
GM who shows year after year to just make trades and throw darts without a concrete plan
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Out of playoffs once again


Not to harp on the same point over and over again, but seeing as how you always bring up the same one yourself, I really am curious as to which GMs you would rather have, i.e., that are clearly better than Morey. I would like to know, compared to his peers, who are the ones who consistently do better. Those who occasionally luck into a top 3 pick might count (like I would say Presti is good), but some others wouldn't, so I guess use good judgment lol.
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#16 datruth

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:50 AM

I don't think blowing up the team is the answer, but coaching and adjustments are key in any type of competition. Teams are really playing Harden tough. I'm curious if there is something going on betwenn Harden and Lin. Harden, Lin, Parson are good players that you can build around. I disagree with someone early when they said these type of things happen to a young teams. This feels different. Mchale benching players sends a message to everyone. A picture tells a lot about any person or situation. When he benched Parson, Patterson and Lin. Harden wasshooting 3 for 10 and playing very little defense. Not sure, about Mchale. I'm getting the feeling that Harden can do whatever and everyone else better what your step.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

I didn't see the game you are referring to, but perhaps McHale was making a point to Harden that he needs his team mates more than he thinks. Kind of the reverse of what Kobe does when he refuses to shoot to make a point to his coach. Maybe Mchale was saying, "you think you can do it all by yourself? Go ahead then. Do it."

I have no idea...just speculating....
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

lol its january and were in 9th place, you're absolutely ridiculous.


Inflated wins, had a lot of home games and regressed back to the norm. You're a legit lottery type team if you lose 7 in a row and gut it out for a win vs Bobcats, a legit 10 win team to this point, in the second half.

Facts are we get worse or at best don't get better.

When will Rockets fans get off the Morey bandwagon and jump to mine? Feel like I'm either ahead of the curve or the only one w/o blinders on. Disappointed.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

Not to harp on the same point over and over again, but seeing as how you always bring up the same one yourself, I really am curious as to which GMs you would rather have, i.e., that are clearly better than Morey. I would like to know, compared to his peers, who are the ones who consistently do better. Those who occasionally luck into a top 3 pick might count (like I would say Presti is good), but some others wouldn't, so I guess use good judgment lol.


I would like a GM who knows falls under one of two categories:

1. Knows how to run a NBA team and can prove to LA how he will be successful
2. Has already run an NBA team with success

Morey doesn't fall under either. It's clear. He likes to find quirks in numbers and while it's a good read and cute doesn't work in the NBA. Same with MLB where if Money or MoreyBall would work it would in baseball. That's why OAK under BB will never win a pennant. We get worse or at best don't get better while under Morey since he designed the team he wanted. Trades or cuts everyone and keeps throwing darts at the wall hoping one day many guesses comes right.

Successful people who run sports clubs or businesses would never advocate what Morey is doing, if so he would have been fired years ago.

Even guys who look promising or have "sex" appeal aren't even utilized properly or in their natural position. That falls on Morey because again, like players he has no clue what works or what doesn't and keeps changing head coaches.

Everyone with a small amount of knowledge knows McHale is NOT the guy you want coaching your team. Morey disagrees but that's not surprising since he doesn't know how to run a team or the players needed to win.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:53 PM

I don't think blowing up the team is the answer, but coaching and adjustments are key in any type of competition. Teams are really playing Harden tough. I'm curious if there is something going on betwenn Harden and Lin. Harden, Lin, Parson are good players that you can build around. I disagree with someone early when they said these type of things happen to a young teams. This feels different. Mchale benching players sends a message to everyone. A picture tells a lot about any person or situation. When he benched Parson, Patterson and Lin. Harden wasshooting 3 for 10 and playing very little defense. Not sure, about Mchale. I'm getting the feeling that Harden can do whatever and everyone else better what your step.


Since Morey took over pretty much this has been said every year, just swap a few players names here and there and you can cut and paste this every year.

Notice at the beginning our HC and players that Morey took over were much better and with each year the HC and players get worse? I wish more people would.

I have to give Morey (and he seems like a good guy but I'm talking about knowing how to run and be a successful GM which he isn't) credit, whatever he does he's got a good number of Rocket's fans fooled. People quickly run to his aid and throw out the excuses. Hats off to Morey in that regard.
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