Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Shoutbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

@  slick shoes : (30 July 2015 - 12:58 PM) Once, we ink Terry to a one year vet minimum deal, I will be VERY pleased with our roster entering the season. Finals appearance, anyone?
@  Losthief : (30 July 2015 - 04:19 AM) And the Chuck Wagon is back in town!
@  thejohnnygold : (24 July 2015 - 06:40 PM) Greg Popovich gives a 25 minute interview (happily) and offers insight on lots of things. Worth listening to. LINK
@  slick shoes : (24 July 2015 - 02:25 PM) I'm glad Prigs found himself a home with a contender. Seemed like a high character guy.
@  jorgeaam : (23 July 2015 - 03:10 AM) So first Smith and now Prigs to the Clips, if you can't beat 'em join 'em
@  rocketrick : (22 July 2015 - 05:04 PM) Rockets actually are only committed to Lawson for 2015-16 season as they renegotiated with Lawson's agent and have a team option for 2016-17 season. Is Morey incredible or what when negotiating?
@  redfaithful : (20 July 2015 - 08:51 PM) Sorry, I'm too far away to offer help :rolleyes:
@  thejohnnygold : (20 July 2015 - 07:29 PM) Indeed, I do :lol: It gets worse....they live in enemy territory...Plano, TX.
@  Losthief : (20 July 2015 - 05:28 PM) ah so u understand the urge to drink!
@  thejohnnygold : (20 July 2015 - 05:14 PM) I was visiting the in-laws this weekend...
@  redfaithful : (20 July 2015 - 12:57 PM) Didn't here from you on Lawson, was a bit worried...
@  thejohnnygold : (20 July 2015 - 12:52 PM) Yes?
@  redfaithful : (20 July 2015 - 06:08 AM) JG
@  JY86er : (20 July 2015 - 03:27 AM) In rehab and traded here. I'm sure he thinkin, "JACKPOT!! Time to celebrate!"
@  Mario Peña : (20 July 2015 - 01:49 AM) It's done, Lawson is in for almost nothing really. Morey is a genius taking advantage Denver at their weakest.
@  majik19 : (20 July 2015 - 01:36 AM) on the court, great fit. off the court, lots of concerns. if he didn't have the DUI issues, would be a really good trade for us.
@  majik19 : (20 July 2015 - 01:34 AM) i'm also seeing a protected first from us, which feels like a bit much.
@  08huangj : (20 July 2015 - 01:33 AM) Oh, and Denver will be sending a second rounder to Houston also.
@  Cooper : (20 July 2015 - 01:30 AM) Im a little wary of lawson but if thats all who's going seems like the right move.
@  08huangj : (20 July 2015 - 01:28 AM) So basically we gave up nothing for a borderline all star. Great move.

Photo

If the playoffs started today


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 Red94

Red94

    Senior Member

  • Administrators
  • 1,407 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

New post: If the playoffs started today
  • 0

#2 It_Was_All_A_Dream

It_Was_All_A_Dream

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 2 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

You don't see Memphis as a mortal lock to make the playoffs? That squad plays nasty D and has two absolutely reliable scoring options in Gasol and Z-Bo
  • 0

#3 Rahat Huq

Rahat Huq

    Administrator

  • Administrators
  • 1,547 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

Ah, not sure why I forgot to mention Memphis. Yes, I see them also as a lock. So that brings it down to two spots.
  • 0

#4 PKM

PKM

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 124 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

Are you saying that Harden is better than Love? I would disagree, and I don't think it would even be that close.
  • 0

#5 Rahat Huq

Rahat Huq

    Administrator

  • Administrators
  • 1,547 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

I am. Unless you're talking about a generational big like Duncan/Shaq, I personally would always go with the shot creating wing over the big if on the same relative level.
  • 0

#6 Sir Thursday

Sir Thursday

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,179 posts
  • LocationUnited Kingdom

Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

I am. Unless you're talking about a generational big like Duncan/Shaq, I personally would always go with the shot creating wing over the big if on the same relative level.


Based on what I've seen of Harden so far I would have to disagree - I'd say that Love is a level above Harden at the moment. I have yet to see Harden match the consistency of Love on a night to night basis. Over the past couple of seasons Love has been posting excellent games night in and night out. Harden, on the other hand, blows hot and cold. And yes in today's NBA offence from the wing is probably more valuable late in games, but I'd argue that the mismatches that Love creates probably make up for that. he poses a problem to NBA defences in a fashion that few are prepared to counter, whereas for all Harden's brilliance he is doing something that there is a hard 'counter' to (remember his struggles against Iguodala and Allen? For all that people initially dismissed the "how will he fare with the best defender on the other team on him?" argument because of his hot start, I think there is still some validity to asking that question until Harden has shown he can break down an elite defensive wing or two). The one negative against Love is that it's harder to excuse poor defence from a big man than it is from a perimeter player, simply because of the need for an inside presence to function as an anchor in most defensive schemes.

ST
  • 0

#7 blakecouey

blakecouey

    Red94 Chief of Police

  • Moderators
  • 1,558 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:58 AM

I've got to disagree about Harden being a better player than Love as well. Love is a double double machine, and it's well over just 10 and 10. We have just a small sample size of Harden as a starter though, and he is being worked into a new offense so there is still time for him to surpass Love in my mind. I do believe it's possible for us to sneak into one of those two spots, although we need to have some help from some guys, namely Patterson.
  • 0

#8 rocketrick

rocketrick

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:08 AM

However, Harden has the playmaking ability that Kevin Love as a big simply doesn't possess and assuming Harden continues improving on the defensive end of the court including making more steals that lead to fastbreak opportunities, the more valuable Harden is going to be as the season plays out. We already have enjoyed a taste of what Harden can do on the offensive end of the court with his driving abilities, shooting 3's and free throws proficiently, hitting the open guy for uncontested shots, etc. True, at this point Love is more consistent as it is very difficult for opposing bigs to cover as much ground as Love is capable of which leads to a lot of open looks from the 3 point line. However, at the end of games you want the ball in the hands of a playmaker, ala Harden and not someone like a Love. Love's teammates have to help him get open for his shots. I don't ever envision Love as a defensive stopper either.
  • 0

#9 rocketrick

rocketrick

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:17 AM

I agree for the most part with Rahat's take on the top 6 teams in the West likely to make the playoffs being the Thunder, Lakers, Spurs, Grizzlies, Clippers and Nuggets. Key injuries to any of these teams could knock any of them out, though, in my opinion. I'm more interested in seeing how much progress our team can make this year in terms of overall improvement, get an established player rotation going that becomes consistent over time, compete well against the best teams in the league, and at the end of the year, if the Rockets do make the playoffs, that will be a fitting capper to our season. It is important that the Rockets start playing some playoff games, if not this season, then starting next season, as that is when the cream rises to the top and there is nothing like playoff experience to solidify players careers. If the Rockets are patient with who they eventually choose to fill out our roster and not make a hasty decision, I can envision only good things from this franchise for a number of years including eventually competing for those rings and the trophy at some point.
  • 0

#10 Stephen

Stephen

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 338 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:52 AM

Re Kevin Love.
W/out Rubio his Minn teams have lost pretty consistantly.
Once Rubio comes back,I'd expect Minn to really pick it up.
  • 0

#11 Chichos

Chichos

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

Love is a better pure scorer than Harden, but if you count both ends of the floor you have to like Harden. Love is generally accepted as being a subpar defender. Even with all his off-season work and strict diet he is still a below the rim player. Unless he figures out a Battier level of position defense he will always be a liability on that end.
  • 0

#12 ale11

ale11

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 696 posts
  • LocationMontevideo, Uruguay

Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

I think both of them are pretty much at the same level, with a little advantage to Love....I mean, which team wouldn't want to have either of them? The slight difference in favour of Love is that he is more dominant offensively than Harden, I mean....there are other (not much, but still they are) superstar SG while I don't see much PF better than Love, or even at his level. Besides....can you imagine him rebounding with Asik? I don't see Minnesota trading him before the end of his contract unless he is really unhappy there and demands a trade (which happen in the case they constantly fall short of the playoffs, and I believe that Rubio is the missing piece for them, so coming to Houston's not gonna happen).
  • 0

#13 Red94

Red94

    Senior Member

  • Administrators
  • 1,407 posts

Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

<strong>New post: <a href='http://www.red94.net...tandings/10750/' title='Click to view linked post'>Checking in on the standings</a></strong>
  • 0

#14 Sir Thursday

Sir Thursday

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,179 posts
  • LocationUnited Kingdom

Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

Out of Golden State and Memphis, I would be more inclined to expect the Warriors to be the ones cooling off. They didn't look great when we played them but I think that was back-to-back-itis. Would also expect Denver to start climbing once they get a few more home games, and the Mavericks will be stepping up too now that Dirk's back. It's going to start getting crowded in the standing soon, methinks.

ST
  • 0

#15 kjunfood

kjunfood

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

Reading the month old comments...anyone change their mind, as of now, between the Love and Harden comparison?
  • 0

#16 Cooper

Cooper

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,279 posts

Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:35 AM

I would take harden over love a lot of loves big stats don't seem to affect the game as much as you would think.
  • 0

#17 DaDakota

DaDakota

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 165 posts
  • LocationAustin

Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:15 AM

If you added Love to this team, it would be a championship contender.

DD
  • 0

#18 sircharles

sircharles

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 283 posts
  • LocationAustin Tx

Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

much rather have harden, love can shoot and get rebounds but his defense is pretty bad. he isnt the game changer that harden is
  • 0

#19 Jeby

Jeby

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 208 posts

Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

On the topic of breakout rookies: it's hard not to think of both Morris and Smith as rookies still. Partly because of last year's shortened season, and partly because they virtually never played last year. To me, the only big difference between them and this year's true rookies is their eligibility for the All-Rookie team. I think Houston's development model of sending prospects to the RGV is great for helping players get better, but hamstrings their shot at earning rookie accolades/numbers. That's the cost if trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.
  • 0

#20 Sir Thursday

Sir Thursday

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,179 posts
  • LocationUnited Kingdom

Posted 30 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

On the topic of breakout rookies: it's hard not to think of both Morris and Smith as rookies still. Partly because of last year's shortened season, and partly because they virtually never played last year. To me, the only big difference between them and this year's true rookies is their eligibility for the All-Rookie team. I think Houston's development model of sending prospects to the RGV is great for helping players get better, but hamstrings their shot at earning rookie accolades/numbers. That's the cost if trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.


Yeah, I'd agree with you. Is it possible to think of Morris as both a rookie and an experienced player? It seems paradoxical, but that's how I think think of him. He's not got much NBA time under his belt, but still quite a lot more than any of the guys behind him. I'm hopeful that we'll see a similar leap from either DMo or TJo next season.

ST
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users