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@  jorgeaam : (04 July 2015 - 03:48 AM) I don't get it, a troubled organization gets a troubled player, it has the potential to create chaos
@  Mario Peña : (04 July 2015 - 03:03 AM) The Kings got Rondo, ha!
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:37 AM) Hahaha, the Kings have been part of what's made it so fun!! (for everyone else, that is...)
@  jorgeaam : (04 July 2015 - 01:31 AM) Not for the Kings :P
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:06 AM) FA has been fun!!!!
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:05 AM) Also, Mavs recovered nicely with DJ. Not sure how valuable Matthews will be after his injury. The Clippers are an interesting situation now. If they can reprogram Stephenson, and get like Koufos, then they could still be pretty good
@  cointurtlemoose : (04 July 2015 - 01:02 AM) I think these Bev/Brewer contracts are really dang good for us. If we get 2013 Beverly even for just 50% of his contract length, 6/yr, with the new cap, is a steal. Same with Brewer.
@  majik19 : (04 July 2015 - 12:27 AM) Calvin Watkins reported: "Rockets believe odds of getting LaMarcus Aldridge are stronger after the Beverley and Brewer deals. Rockets can do a sign-trade for him." Still find it super unlikely
@  majik19 : (04 July 2015 - 12:13 AM) these contracts are going to be very, very tradeable.
@  jorgeaam : (03 July 2015 - 11:25 PM) Bev is baaaack, 4 years 25 Mil
@  jorgeaam : (03 July 2015 - 11:08 PM) So the headbands might be back after all
@  majik19 : (03 July 2015 - 10:22 PM) i think that's very fair for Brewer given that Afflalo also got 8 mil/yr and Kyle Singler (????) got 5/yr
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 10:11 PM) 3 yrs/$24 Million for Brewer. Considering some of the contracts players have received this off-season, I like it.
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 09:45 PM) So Collison is reportedly not happy with the Kings meeting with FA PGs. That could be a good plan B if we don't get Aldridge. I know it has been discussed previously, but this is the first time I've seen it reported that Collison actually might be available.
@  txtdo1411 : (03 July 2015 - 09:41 PM) No way they trade Paul. They can still be a good team, and might be able to pick up Koufus or someone similar that will still make them competitive in the West. Championship team? Probably not, but Paul isn't going anywhere.
@  Cooper : (03 July 2015 - 08:15 PM) Wonder if the clips would think about trading Paul? Probably still a playoff team but they're the only one that got significantly worse.
@  Mario Peña : (03 July 2015 - 07:55 PM) I dunno, I think for the Cavs 16 is fine for Thompson but maybe not other teams. Looks like the Mavs are getting Jordan which I don't really like but may be okay now that I think about it. The Clippers get worse and the Mavs prolong the inevitable and will still be a fringe playoff team.
@  majik19 : (03 July 2015 - 07:01 PM) 16 mil a year IS way too much for Tristan Thompson. and 12 mil/yr on the surface seems reasonable to me, but if the "slow footed big man" is going extinct (re: Andrew Bogut in the Finals), then that may be a terrible contract
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 July 2015 - 04:19 PM) And cmon, Josh, just look at that franchise right now. You don't wanna go there...
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 July 2015 - 04:17 PM) It's pretty crazy, I have to reprogram my brain on what is and isn't a good contract. Though I still think 12/year for Asik and 16/year for Tristan Thompson are way too much

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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

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#2 It_Was_All_A_Dream

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

You don't see Memphis as a mortal lock to make the playoffs? That squad plays nasty D and has two absolutely reliable scoring options in Gasol and Z-Bo
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

Ah, not sure why I forgot to mention Memphis. Yes, I see them also as a lock. So that brings it down to two spots.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

Are you saying that Harden is better than Love? I would disagree, and I don't think it would even be that close.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

I am. Unless you're talking about a generational big like Duncan/Shaq, I personally would always go with the shot creating wing over the big if on the same relative level.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

I am. Unless you're talking about a generational big like Duncan/Shaq, I personally would always go with the shot creating wing over the big if on the same relative level.


Based on what I've seen of Harden so far I would have to disagree - I'd say that Love is a level above Harden at the moment. I have yet to see Harden match the consistency of Love on a night to night basis. Over the past couple of seasons Love has been posting excellent games night in and night out. Harden, on the other hand, blows hot and cold. And yes in today's NBA offence from the wing is probably more valuable late in games, but I'd argue that the mismatches that Love creates probably make up for that. he poses a problem to NBA defences in a fashion that few are prepared to counter, whereas for all Harden's brilliance he is doing something that there is a hard 'counter' to (remember his struggles against Iguodala and Allen? For all that people initially dismissed the "how will he fare with the best defender on the other team on him?" argument because of his hot start, I think there is still some validity to asking that question until Harden has shown he can break down an elite defensive wing or two). The one negative against Love is that it's harder to excuse poor defence from a big man than it is from a perimeter player, simply because of the need for an inside presence to function as an anchor in most defensive schemes.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:58 AM

I've got to disagree about Harden being a better player than Love as well. Love is a double double machine, and it's well over just 10 and 10. We have just a small sample size of Harden as a starter though, and he is being worked into a new offense so there is still time for him to surpass Love in my mind. I do believe it's possible for us to sneak into one of those two spots, although we need to have some help from some guys, namely Patterson.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:08 AM

However, Harden has the playmaking ability that Kevin Love as a big simply doesn't possess and assuming Harden continues improving on the defensive end of the court including making more steals that lead to fastbreak opportunities, the more valuable Harden is going to be as the season plays out. We already have enjoyed a taste of what Harden can do on the offensive end of the court with his driving abilities, shooting 3's and free throws proficiently, hitting the open guy for uncontested shots, etc. True, at this point Love is more consistent as it is very difficult for opposing bigs to cover as much ground as Love is capable of which leads to a lot of open looks from the 3 point line. However, at the end of games you want the ball in the hands of a playmaker, ala Harden and not someone like a Love. Love's teammates have to help him get open for his shots. I don't ever envision Love as a defensive stopper either.
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#9 rocketrick

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:17 AM

I agree for the most part with Rahat's take on the top 6 teams in the West likely to make the playoffs being the Thunder, Lakers, Spurs, Grizzlies, Clippers and Nuggets. Key injuries to any of these teams could knock any of them out, though, in my opinion. I'm more interested in seeing how much progress our team can make this year in terms of overall improvement, get an established player rotation going that becomes consistent over time, compete well against the best teams in the league, and at the end of the year, if the Rockets do make the playoffs, that will be a fitting capper to our season. It is important that the Rockets start playing some playoff games, if not this season, then starting next season, as that is when the cream rises to the top and there is nothing like playoff experience to solidify players careers. If the Rockets are patient with who they eventually choose to fill out our roster and not make a hasty decision, I can envision only good things from this franchise for a number of years including eventually competing for those rings and the trophy at some point.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:52 AM

Re Kevin Love.
W/out Rubio his Minn teams have lost pretty consistantly.
Once Rubio comes back,I'd expect Minn to really pick it up.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

Love is a better pure scorer than Harden, but if you count both ends of the floor you have to like Harden. Love is generally accepted as being a subpar defender. Even with all his off-season work and strict diet he is still a below the rim player. Unless he figures out a Battier level of position defense he will always be a liability on that end.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

I think both of them are pretty much at the same level, with a little advantage to Love....I mean, which team wouldn't want to have either of them? The slight difference in favour of Love is that he is more dominant offensively than Harden, I mean....there are other (not much, but still they are) superstar SG while I don't see much PF better than Love, or even at his level. Besides....can you imagine him rebounding with Asik? I don't see Minnesota trading him before the end of his contract unless he is really unhappy there and demands a trade (which happen in the case they constantly fall short of the playoffs, and I believe that Rubio is the missing piece for them, so coming to Houston's not gonna happen).
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

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#14 Sir Thursday

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

Out of Golden State and Memphis, I would be more inclined to expect the Warriors to be the ones cooling off. They didn't look great when we played them but I think that was back-to-back-itis. Would also expect Denver to start climbing once they get a few more home games, and the Mavericks will be stepping up too now that Dirk's back. It's going to start getting crowded in the standing soon, methinks.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

Reading the month old comments...anyone change their mind, as of now, between the Love and Harden comparison?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:35 AM

I would take harden over love a lot of loves big stats don't seem to affect the game as much as you would think.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:15 AM

If you added Love to this team, it would be a championship contender.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

much rather have harden, love can shoot and get rebounds but his defense is pretty bad. he isnt the game changer that harden is
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

On the topic of breakout rookies: it's hard not to think of both Morris and Smith as rookies still. Partly because of last year's shortened season, and partly because they virtually never played last year. To me, the only big difference between them and this year's true rookies is their eligibility for the All-Rookie team. I think Houston's development model of sending prospects to the RGV is great for helping players get better, but hamstrings their shot at earning rookie accolades/numbers. That's the cost if trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

On the topic of breakout rookies: it's hard not to think of both Morris and Smith as rookies still. Partly because of last year's shortened season, and partly because they virtually never played last year. To me, the only big difference between them and this year's true rookies is their eligibility for the All-Rookie team. I think Houston's development model of sending prospects to the RGV is great for helping players get better, but hamstrings their shot at earning rookie accolades/numbers. That's the cost if trying to stay competitive while rebuilding.


Yeah, I'd agree with you. Is it possible to think of Morris as both a rookie and an experienced player? It seems paradoxical, but that's how I think think of him. He's not got much NBA time under his belt, but still quite a lot more than any of the guys behind him. I'm hopeful that we'll see a similar leap from either DMo or TJo next season.

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