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@  cointurtlemoose : (28 March 2015 - 05:23 PM) Yeah that Toronto game we are gonna be thin in the frontcourt... luckily the Raptors wouldn't give us problems like some teams would in that regard
@  08huangj : (28 March 2015 - 01:23 PM) With Dwight Howard out for one of the back to backs, the Rockets are gonna have to start Dorsey with Capela as a backup unless they go small with Josh Smith.
@  08huangj : (28 March 2015 - 01:22 PM) Did somebody else get hurt tonight? The Rockets have now lost 3 starters in 4 games.(Not counting last night.)
@  jorgeaam : (28 March 2015 - 04:53 AM) Wow, Josh Smith nearly had a triple double tonight
@  Losthief : (27 March 2015 - 11:24 PM) DMO down now too....Capela with the team.
@  Mario Peña : (27 March 2015 - 08:51 PM) Unfortunately for Durant he is out for 4-6 months and will undergo a bone graft surgery. Tough break for him and hopefully he comes back 100% next year which could potentially be his last year in OKC.
@  Losthief : (27 March 2015 - 02:21 AM) I like Llull, first i heard about him actually willing to leave spain...had almost given up on the guy.
@  majik19 : (27 March 2015 - 02:18 AM) definitely gives us some Beverly insurance should he sign elsewhere (assuming Prigioni, Terry, and McDaniels are gone next year)
@  cointurtlemoose : (27 March 2015 - 12:08 AM) Also, this would be prettyyy cool... http://hoopshype.com...ll-to-join-team
@  cointurtlemoose : (27 March 2015 - 12:06 AM) I think McHale is properly rated. This season has probably boosted him to the middle of the back. Stotts should not be higher than Vogel and Stevens, who have squeezed every drop and more out of their rosters.
@  YaoMan : (26 March 2015 - 07:48 PM) @ txt - no I don't agree with the assessment simply because of how well McHale has handled all the injuries the Rockets had. If they feel that McHale didn't orchestrate that, then Harden should be a hands down MVP when the starting 5 misses more games than any other team in the West...
@  majik19 : (26 March 2015 - 07:18 PM) I was surprised they placed Kerr at 3. I know he's having a great year, but one year does not define a coaching career. People seem to forget he inherited a 50 win team.
@  txtdo1411 : (26 March 2015 - 07:13 PM) I was pretty surprised they had Stotts at 7 as well. He has done a good job with Portland, but health (last year, not so much this season) and talent have put him in a position to succeed.
@  txtdo1411 : (26 March 2015 - 06:31 PM) You think they are correct with that assessment YaoMan? I was actually a little surprised they had Casey and Stevens ahead of him. This year McHale has shown a lot more adaptability than people thought he had in him.
@  YaoMan : (26 March 2015 - 04:50 PM) Have you seen the ESPN coach ranking lately? They have McHale at slightly better than middle of the pack: http://espn.go.com/n...ngs-top-coaches
@  YaoMan : (26 March 2015 - 04:05 PM) If the Rox can stay focus, catching Memphis is definitely a strong reality...
@  Cooper : (26 March 2015 - 02:39 AM) ended up with a nice win and the grizz dropped a game.
@  08huangj : (26 March 2015 - 12:40 AM) The rockets look dead today
@  YaoMan : (25 March 2015 - 09:03 PM) Bev out at least 7-10 days...the rotation is starting to get very thin...hopefully they all come back when playoffs start...
@  Mario Peña : (25 March 2015 - 08:22 PM) Dwight back is great news but how he recovers from the 20 minutes he ends up getting tonight is what I'm holding my breath for.

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Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle


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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

New post: Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle
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#2 ale11

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Great article :D As I stated after the game against Chicago, I love what he does, those kind of things that don't appear on the stat sheet, contesting shots and disrupting the opposite C comfort (again, Noah making those far "jumpers", if you can call it that way, was a total aberration). Like is said at the end of the article, offense is not what he is being paid for, but he is actually improving, even if he miss many layups that could easily dunk instead, he is gaining confidence at finishing himself instead of passing the ball, and his FG% can't be much worse than this, so....he is going to be better, but right now, he is DEFINITELY worth the money he's being paid. And right now, no one can argue that, really.
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#3 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I disagree with Michael's informative article, or at least his conclusion. If one believes the advance statistics, Asik is nowhere near an All-Star center. In fact, he's not very good. His PER is 12.3, significantly below league average despite his amazing rebound rates. His defensive stats, not surprising, are pretty good, but nowhere near enough to offset his offensive liabilities. There are three things wrong with Asik's game: 1) he can't shoot well--his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent; 2) he's a turnover machine (the highest turnover rate on the team, and he's a center!); and 3) a really high usage rate (around the same as Jeremy Lin). His Win Share statistics--which tries to balance out defensive and offensive contributions--is below the average.

Either Asik is going to have to improve his shooting and ball handling skills, or the Rockets are going to have to reconfigure their offense so that the only time he touches the ball is when he gets an offensive rebound.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The 4Q minutes stat is a little deceiving. He sat out the entire 4Q in the Jazz blow-out loss and sat most of 4Q against Knicks.

Johnny Rocket,
PER is an offensive stat. It highly values two things-offensive rebounding and shooting percentages. Since Asik is a bad shooter his PER is gonna be low. (Howard and Chandler,another couple of bigs w/poor shooting skills,get their %s up w/an inordinate amount of lobs. Since Asik appears to be affected by gravity more,he's not going to get those % stuffing shots.)
PER has nothing to do w/defense.

The question Michael raises is should a player who's utterly dominant on D,but has minimal offensive skills get as much credit as an unstoppable scorer who plays zero defense?

And if the Rockets had a PF who could actually go and get rebounds,not just collect those that fall to him,Asik's ability to tip away Rocket misses from opponents would result in more offensive rebounds.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

"No seven-footer in NBA history to average at least 30 minutes and eight shot attempts per game has ever shot lower than 52.6% from the field for an entire season."

52.6% is a good shooting percentage. That sounded too surprising to be true and just a few minutes checking shows that is wrong. Examples include Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez and Yao Ming. Was something else meant?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I added a link to show where I got that specific stat from.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

he will only get better as a offensive player, he is adjusting to a much bigger role in houston and you can tell he is still learning every minute he is on the court. The first couple games of the season he was absolutely terrified when he would receive passes in the paint, but now he is welcoming it and either passing out or TRYING to score. His reverse layup is scary to look at but most of the times it works, his dunking has improved a bit as well. He has been getting to the line a lot more now as well and isnt a terrible free throw shooter. im excited to see how much he improves over just the next 10 games.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

@UBK thanks for pointing that out. I read the numbers wrong. It's been corrected.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

I would add, while many (I'd say MOST in the MAINSTREAM media) scoffed at his contract, he might end the season as the most underpaid big man in basketball....if you look at the contracts of less productive guys like deandre jordan and javale mcgee
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

i honestly dont understand what denver was thinking with mcgee, he is one of the most efficent players on that team with the minutes he is given and some nights they play him only like 15 minutes
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

I agree the Asik contract will be looked back on as a steal which is what I figured from the beginning. I believe Asik's work ethic will also drive him past players mentioned like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee. I also agree that if he had an athletic banger at his side they would be cleaning the boards with tips to each other all night. It is way too early to judge his offensive game, in fact I would say give a full season and then we can make a judgement.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

So I would fully expect Hakeem the Dream will be working out with Asik these next few off seasons. Although Asik obviously doesn't have Hakeem's quickness and versatility, I would expect to see Asik continue improving on the offensive end of the court over time. It's a pleasure going to the Rockets games and watching Asik compete with the more established bigs in the NBA. I love his deameanor and his work ethic! He also needs to learn how to swat away more shots while keeping the ball in play in turn starting more fast break opportunities for the Rockets.
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