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@  thejohnnygold : (18 February 2018 - 04:11 AM) Yeah, I have thought the same thing. Everything is going so well there isn't much up for debate.
@  slick shoes : (16 February 2018 - 07:34 PM) As stated before, if you are unhappy with the amount of activity here, you are more than welcome to contribute something yourself. I think many of us are so pleased with the way the season has played out thus far that we don't need to come here to complain or moan or advocate for this trade or signing.
@  rocketrick : (16 February 2018 - 05:20 PM) Wow, so many good stories but 0 articles this season regarding the Rockets on this site.
@  slick shoes : (13 February 2018 - 06:49 PM) Nvm, we are waiving Troy Williams to make room for Joe Johnson.
@  slick shoes : (13 February 2018 - 01:42 AM) I guess that takes us out of the running for Iso Joe?
@  DenverRocket : (10 February 2018 - 02:25 AM) Apparently we're picking up Brandan Wright, who was bought out by the Grizzlies today.
@  Mario Peña : (09 February 2018 - 11:17 AM) That was crazy.
@  slick shoes : (08 February 2018 - 06:45 PM) Wow. What are the Cavs doing???
@  DenverRocket : (05 February 2018 - 11:37 PM) Even Love seems happy to be injured and out of there for a while, based on his recent comments. It's a complete sh!t show!
@  Mario Peña : (05 February 2018 - 07:59 PM) I have friends who are Cavs fans and obviously most of them aren’t interested in burning jerseys. Considering I have was there to see a good game even I was disappointed in the lack of effort. I don’t see how the Cold War between LeBron and Gilbert gets any better.
@  DenverRocket : (05 February 2018 - 06:36 AM) I thought it was hilarious.Don't feel sorry for those clowns, they'll be burning his shirt again come free agency :)
@  Mario Peña : (04 February 2018 - 02:12 PM) I was at that Rockets game last night guys and that Cavs defense wasn’t even professional. I saw a lot of jogging up and down the court. I almost felt bad for Cavs fans.
@  slick shoes : (04 February 2018 - 07:33 AM) Just read that he is also unhappy with his role in Minny. If it was me, I would take the same money for the same role on a championship caliber team vs an up an coming team. Just one man's opinion.
@  DenverRocket : (04 February 2018 - 12:03 AM) Why would they release him? I heard that Shabazz Muhamad has asked out, but nothing about Crawford (his minutes are not going to be much different/better if he comes to us)
@  slick shoes : (03 February 2018 - 11:59 PM) Would be interested to see if we take a look at Jamal Crawford if released by Minnesota. Great extra tool to have for the stretch run. I imagine him winning us a game with a clutch three as well.
@  DenverRocket : (02 February 2018 - 06:31 PM) @RocketRick why don't you write one and submit it for publication? Plenty to write about.
@  rocketrick : (02 February 2018 - 04:36 PM) Our Rockets really do have a chance this year...........and this site is like dead in the water. Last published article was back in November. Good Luck with that........
@  thejohnnygold : (02 February 2018 - 05:12 AM) Yes, I was advocating a Harden trade...I'll admit I was wrong...to a degree. It was based on the premise that he wasn't committed to defense--which he wasn't--and that he needed another player to be the lead dog (such as Chris Paul which I did advocate before Morey brought him in). So, yeah...I was completely wrong...but a little right ;)
@  Mario Peña : (01 February 2018 - 10:00 PM) Oh that’s right I vaguely remember that. I was distracted by my move from Texas to New York around that time and I disagreed so I remember not paying those threads much attention.
@  DenverRocket : (01 February 2018 - 06:48 PM) I'm pretty sure JG was advocating a full rebuild ;-)

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Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle


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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

New post: Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle
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#2 ale11

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Great article :D As I stated after the game against Chicago, I love what he does, those kind of things that don't appear on the stat sheet, contesting shots and disrupting the opposite C comfort (again, Noah making those far "jumpers", if you can call it that way, was a total aberration). Like is said at the end of the article, offense is not what he is being paid for, but he is actually improving, even if he miss many layups that could easily dunk instead, he is gaining confidence at finishing himself instead of passing the ball, and his FG% can't be much worse than this, so....he is going to be better, but right now, he is DEFINITELY worth the money he's being paid. And right now, no one can argue that, really.
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#3 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I disagree with Michael's informative article, or at least his conclusion. If one believes the advance statistics, Asik is nowhere near an All-Star center. In fact, he's not very good. His PER is 12.3, significantly below league average despite his amazing rebound rates. His defensive stats, not surprising, are pretty good, but nowhere near enough to offset his offensive liabilities. There are three things wrong with Asik's game: 1) he can't shoot well--his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent; 2) he's a turnover machine (the highest turnover rate on the team, and he's a center!); and 3) a really high usage rate (around the same as Jeremy Lin). His Win Share statistics--which tries to balance out defensive and offensive contributions--is below the average.

Either Asik is going to have to improve his shooting and ball handling skills, or the Rockets are going to have to reconfigure their offense so that the only time he touches the ball is when he gets an offensive rebound.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The 4Q minutes stat is a little deceiving. He sat out the entire 4Q in the Jazz blow-out loss and sat most of 4Q against Knicks.

Johnny Rocket,
PER is an offensive stat. It highly values two things-offensive rebounding and shooting percentages. Since Asik is a bad shooter his PER is gonna be low. (Howard and Chandler,another couple of bigs w/poor shooting skills,get their %s up w/an inordinate amount of lobs. Since Asik appears to be affected by gravity more,he's not going to get those % stuffing shots.)
PER has nothing to do w/defense.

The question Michael raises is should a player who's utterly dominant on D,but has minimal offensive skills get as much credit as an unstoppable scorer who plays zero defense?

And if the Rockets had a PF who could actually go and get rebounds,not just collect those that fall to him,Asik's ability to tip away Rocket misses from opponents would result in more offensive rebounds.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

"No seven-footer in NBA history to average at least 30 minutes and eight shot attempts per game has ever shot lower than 52.6% from the field for an entire season."

52.6% is a good shooting percentage. That sounded too surprising to be true and just a few minutes checking shows that is wrong. Examples include Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez and Yao Ming. Was something else meant?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I added a link to show where I got that specific stat from.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

he will only get better as a offensive player, he is adjusting to a much bigger role in houston and you can tell he is still learning every minute he is on the court. The first couple games of the season he was absolutely terrified when he would receive passes in the paint, but now he is welcoming it and either passing out or TRYING to score. His reverse layup is scary to look at but most of the times it works, his dunking has improved a bit as well. He has been getting to the line a lot more now as well and isnt a terrible free throw shooter. im excited to see how much he improves over just the next 10 games.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

@UBK thanks for pointing that out. I read the numbers wrong. It's been corrected.
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#9 Rahat Huq

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

I would add, while many (I'd say MOST in the MAINSTREAM media) scoffed at his contract, he might end the season as the most underpaid big man in basketball....if you look at the contracts of less productive guys like deandre jordan and javale mcgee
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

i honestly dont understand what denver was thinking with mcgee, he is one of the most efficent players on that team with the minutes he is given and some nights they play him only like 15 minutes
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#11 Mario Peña

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

I agree the Asik contract will be looked back on as a steal which is what I figured from the beginning. I believe Asik's work ethic will also drive him past players mentioned like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee. I also agree that if he had an athletic banger at his side they would be cleaning the boards with tips to each other all night. It is way too early to judge his offensive game, in fact I would say give a full season and then we can make a judgement.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

So I would fully expect Hakeem the Dream will be working out with Asik these next few off seasons. Although Asik obviously doesn't have Hakeem's quickness and versatility, I would expect to see Asik continue improving on the offensive end of the court over time. It's a pleasure going to the Rockets games and watching Asik compete with the more established bigs in the NBA. I love his deameanor and his work ethic! He also needs to learn how to swat away more shots while keeping the ball in play in turn starting more fast break opportunities for the Rockets.
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