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@  jorgeaam : (01 September 2014 - 04:07 AM) Probably a Parsons and a Beverley on those second rounders :P
@  feelingsuper... : (31 August 2014 - 09:31 PM) I don't mind Terry, it's a low cost gamble. I do like the 2 second rounders Morey acquired.
@  feelingsuper... : (31 August 2014 - 09:30 PM) Harden looked good once he got past the foul trouble and Coach K put the ball in his hands unlike the first half.
@  Willk : (31 August 2014 - 09:15 PM) harden 7 assists 0 TOs
@  Willk : (31 August 2014 - 09:09 PM) FSS - I do not know how to feel about that
@  feelingsuper... : (31 August 2014 - 09:01 PM) Woj reporting Kings working on deal to send Jason Terry to Rockets.
@  Buckko : (30 August 2014 - 08:17 PM) and finally an article on Canaan http://www.ridiculou...-guard#comments
@  feelingsuper... : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) Just a reminder to everyone interested that Team USA plays Finland today at 2:30 central time on ESPN.
@  RollingWave : (28 August 2014 - 07:34 AM) But yeah, I can understand luxury tax / revenue sharing, but the cap's sole purpose is to help the Owner's pockets and also give jobs to all those captologist
@  RollingWave : (28 August 2014 - 07:33 AM) The irony obviously, sports being the one thing where the US is much more socialist than their European counter part ;)
@  thenit : (27 August 2014 - 08:43 PM) Unless Cle wins 2 rings in 4 years I rather have what Mia has now 2 rings and a likely playoff team
@  thenit : (27 August 2014 - 08:43 PM) That's why I don't like American sports, there shouldn't be any salary cap. It should be like Europe. Hating Socialism except for sports where the whole idea of is to compete to be the best. should be capitalistic and a free for all
@  rocketrick : (27 August 2014 - 11:53 AM) Boring...so which situation is better going forward? Miami Heat with practically no salary cap room after winning 2 titles in 3 years or Cleveland with all kinds of cap room? No wonder LeBron and KLove chose Cleveland. Just saying. NBA Salary Cap is quite onerous in the end.
@  thenit : (27 August 2014 - 02:53 AM) I think it's about right where we should be. We are a contender under the radar
@  rocketrick : (27 August 2014 - 12:42 AM) Las Vegas places 16-1 odds for the Rockets chances this season as the eventual NBA Champion. Only the Cavaliers, Bulls, Spurs, Thunder and Clippers rate better odds than the Rockets. Perhaps too much negativity this off-season in H-town???
@  rocketrick : (26 August 2014 - 11:40 PM) Troy Daniels is more of a SG, too with limited, at best, PG skills. I'm with Rolling Wave, I'd rather have Sessions than Ish Smith backing up Beverley
@  RollingWave : (26 August 2014 - 03:23 AM) Session has about 6x the career minutes of those 5 combined, of course you'd rather have him instead of Ish Smith if you could.
@  rockets best... : (26 August 2014 - 02:31 AM) Basketball Insiders is reporting the Rockets are pursuing a sign and trade for Ramon Session. with Ish, Beverly, Canaan, Nick Johnson and Troy Daniels on the roster I don't understand the move unless one of them will be in the deal and it is a larger deal than being currently reported
@  rockets best... : (25 August 2014 - 06:28 PM) so what you're saying is if Morey does this deal he's stupid? I disagree. we have a thread discussing it below. we can continue our conversation there if your wish
@  rocketrick : (25 August 2014 - 12:18 PM) Morey is not stupid so that just is not gonna happen here period so can we FINALLY just move on now? Bledsoe will sign for the agreed $3.5 million amount for this season and become an UFA next season (for his sake, I truly hope he does not blow out another knee).........

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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

New post: Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle
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#2 ale11

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Great article :D As I stated after the game against Chicago, I love what he does, those kind of things that don't appear on the stat sheet, contesting shots and disrupting the opposite C comfort (again, Noah making those far "jumpers", if you can call it that way, was a total aberration). Like is said at the end of the article, offense is not what he is being paid for, but he is actually improving, even if he miss many layups that could easily dunk instead, he is gaining confidence at finishing himself instead of passing the ball, and his FG% can't be much worse than this, so....he is going to be better, but right now, he is DEFINITELY worth the money he's being paid. And right now, no one can argue that, really.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I disagree with Michael's informative article, or at least his conclusion. If one believes the advance statistics, Asik is nowhere near an All-Star center. In fact, he's not very good. His PER is 12.3, significantly below league average despite his amazing rebound rates. His defensive stats, not surprising, are pretty good, but nowhere near enough to offset his offensive liabilities. There are three things wrong with Asik's game: 1) he can't shoot well--his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent; 2) he's a turnover machine (the highest turnover rate on the team, and he's a center!); and 3) a really high usage rate (around the same as Jeremy Lin). His Win Share statistics--which tries to balance out defensive and offensive contributions--is below the average.

Either Asik is going to have to improve his shooting and ball handling skills, or the Rockets are going to have to reconfigure their offense so that the only time he touches the ball is when he gets an offensive rebound.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The 4Q minutes stat is a little deceiving. He sat out the entire 4Q in the Jazz blow-out loss and sat most of 4Q against Knicks.

Johnny Rocket,
PER is an offensive stat. It highly values two things-offensive rebounding and shooting percentages. Since Asik is a bad shooter his PER is gonna be low. (Howard and Chandler,another couple of bigs w/poor shooting skills,get their %s up w/an inordinate amount of lobs. Since Asik appears to be affected by gravity more,he's not going to get those % stuffing shots.)
PER has nothing to do w/defense.

The question Michael raises is should a player who's utterly dominant on D,but has minimal offensive skills get as much credit as an unstoppable scorer who plays zero defense?

And if the Rockets had a PF who could actually go and get rebounds,not just collect those that fall to him,Asik's ability to tip away Rocket misses from opponents would result in more offensive rebounds.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

"No seven-footer in NBA history to average at least 30 minutes and eight shot attempts per game has ever shot lower than 52.6% from the field for an entire season."

52.6% is a good shooting percentage. That sounded too surprising to be true and just a few minutes checking shows that is wrong. Examples include Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez and Yao Ming. Was something else meant?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I added a link to show where I got that specific stat from.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

he will only get better as a offensive player, he is adjusting to a much bigger role in houston and you can tell he is still learning every minute he is on the court. The first couple games of the season he was absolutely terrified when he would receive passes in the paint, but now he is welcoming it and either passing out or TRYING to score. His reverse layup is scary to look at but most of the times it works, his dunking has improved a bit as well. He has been getting to the line a lot more now as well and isnt a terrible free throw shooter. im excited to see how much he improves over just the next 10 games.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

@UBK thanks for pointing that out. I read the numbers wrong. It's been corrected.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

I would add, while many (I'd say MOST in the MAINSTREAM media) scoffed at his contract, he might end the season as the most underpaid big man in basketball....if you look at the contracts of less productive guys like deandre jordan and javale mcgee
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

i honestly dont understand what denver was thinking with mcgee, he is one of the most efficent players on that team with the minutes he is given and some nights they play him only like 15 minutes
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

I agree the Asik contract will be looked back on as a steal which is what I figured from the beginning. I believe Asik's work ethic will also drive him past players mentioned like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee. I also agree that if he had an athletic banger at his side they would be cleaning the boards with tips to each other all night. It is way too early to judge his offensive game, in fact I would say give a full season and then we can make a judgement.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

So I would fully expect Hakeem the Dream will be working out with Asik these next few off seasons. Although Asik obviously doesn't have Hakeem's quickness and versatility, I would expect to see Asik continue improving on the offensive end of the court over time. It's a pleasure going to the Rockets games and watching Asik compete with the more established bigs in the NBA. I love his deameanor and his work ethic! He also needs to learn how to swat away more shots while keeping the ball in play in turn starting more fast break opportunities for the Rockets.
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