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@  thejohnnygold : (20 August 2014 - 04:52 AM) That article is a nice change of pace :)
@  Buckko : (20 August 2014 - 01:14 AM) http://probasketball...am-usa/related/ About Harden being the leader for team USA.
@  rockets best... : (17 August 2014 - 07:23 PM) good find Buckko
@  Buckko : (17 August 2014 - 05:35 PM) One for Covington too http://www.ridiculou...houston-rockets
@  Buckko : (17 August 2014 - 05:34 PM) http://www.ridiculou...ets-next-season
@  Buckko : (17 August 2014 - 05:34 PM) Great article on Troy Daniels
@  Buckko : (17 August 2014 - 04:49 PM) Harden stat line 18/5/5/2/2 with 2 TOs and 11-11 from the line.
@  Willk : (17 August 2014 - 01:12 AM) harden's passing is unbelievable tonight
@  Cooper : (15 August 2014 - 03:31 AM) yeah the injury aspect is overrated they're gonna play somewhere might as well be with top notch coaches, players, and training staffs.
@  feelingsuper... : (14 August 2014 - 11:31 PM) Players could get hurt at any time and they play all summer. On Team USA they have the best courts, coaches and trainers so to me it's pretty clear that I'd rather have Harden on USA than playing the Drew.
@  jorgeaam : (14 August 2014 - 11:30 PM) Well, last year there was smoke in the arena because of a short circuit, so the game wasn't played, but yes, that game included the Wolves too
@  rockets best... : (14 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) Cousins hurt at team USA's practice today. how many injuries will it take before the NBA looks at a review of policy?
@  RollingWave : (14 August 2014 - 08:27 AM) Isn't this the second strait year the Wolfs play in Mexico? I think the NBA i setting them up to move there lol
@  jorgeaam : (14 August 2014 - 02:53 AM) So the Rockets will be playing a game in my country, Nov 12 in Mexico City against the Wolves
@  Adi1008 : (14 August 2014 - 02:35 AM) Here's the NBA schedule: http://i.usatoday.ne...eam_by_team.pdf
@  thejohnnygold : (13 August 2014 - 07:01 PM) ...and that's how the NBA generates ratings :)
@  jorgeaam : (13 August 2014 - 06:15 PM) So from what I read in a B/R article, it seems we are facing the Lakers on opening night
@  txtdo1411 : (13 August 2014 - 02:15 PM) We were able to survive while Asik missed those 34 games last season. We did that without Dorsey on the roster. We aren't necessarily relying on Dorsey, but if he can contribute that is a huge plus.
@  RollingWave : (13 August 2014 - 07:05 AM) Omer Asik last year, after refusing to play for half of the year, had nearly 50% more minutes on the floor than Joey Dorsey's ENTIRE NBA CAREER to date. (958 vs 634) Dorsey's also 2 years older than Asik, BTW.
@  RollingWave : (13 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) your losing nearly 5000 minutes of play from 3 guys and replacing them with a guy who missed 25+ games in 2 of the last 3 years, 2 completely unknown Rookie, and a guy who is 30 year old and yet to have 1 good season in the NBA.

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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

New post: Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle
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#2 ale11

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Great article :D As I stated after the game against Chicago, I love what he does, those kind of things that don't appear on the stat sheet, contesting shots and disrupting the opposite C comfort (again, Noah making those far "jumpers", if you can call it that way, was a total aberration). Like is said at the end of the article, offense is not what he is being paid for, but he is actually improving, even if he miss many layups that could easily dunk instead, he is gaining confidence at finishing himself instead of passing the ball, and his FG% can't be much worse than this, so....he is going to be better, but right now, he is DEFINITELY worth the money he's being paid. And right now, no one can argue that, really.
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#3 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I disagree with Michael's informative article, or at least his conclusion. If one believes the advance statistics, Asik is nowhere near an All-Star center. In fact, he's not very good. His PER is 12.3, significantly below league average despite his amazing rebound rates. His defensive stats, not surprising, are pretty good, but nowhere near enough to offset his offensive liabilities. There are three things wrong with Asik's game: 1) he can't shoot well--his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent; 2) he's a turnover machine (the highest turnover rate on the team, and he's a center!); and 3) a really high usage rate (around the same as Jeremy Lin). His Win Share statistics--which tries to balance out defensive and offensive contributions--is below the average.

Either Asik is going to have to improve his shooting and ball handling skills, or the Rockets are going to have to reconfigure their offense so that the only time he touches the ball is when he gets an offensive rebound.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The 4Q minutes stat is a little deceiving. He sat out the entire 4Q in the Jazz blow-out loss and sat most of 4Q against Knicks.

Johnny Rocket,
PER is an offensive stat. It highly values two things-offensive rebounding and shooting percentages. Since Asik is a bad shooter his PER is gonna be low. (Howard and Chandler,another couple of bigs w/poor shooting skills,get their %s up w/an inordinate amount of lobs. Since Asik appears to be affected by gravity more,he's not going to get those % stuffing shots.)
PER has nothing to do w/defense.

The question Michael raises is should a player who's utterly dominant on D,but has minimal offensive skills get as much credit as an unstoppable scorer who plays zero defense?

And if the Rockets had a PF who could actually go and get rebounds,not just collect those that fall to him,Asik's ability to tip away Rocket misses from opponents would result in more offensive rebounds.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

"No seven-footer in NBA history to average at least 30 minutes and eight shot attempts per game has ever shot lower than 52.6% from the field for an entire season."

52.6% is a good shooting percentage. That sounded too surprising to be true and just a few minutes checking shows that is wrong. Examples include Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez and Yao Ming. Was something else meant?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I added a link to show where I got that specific stat from.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

he will only get better as a offensive player, he is adjusting to a much bigger role in houston and you can tell he is still learning every minute he is on the court. The first couple games of the season he was absolutely terrified when he would receive passes in the paint, but now he is welcoming it and either passing out or TRYING to score. His reverse layup is scary to look at but most of the times it works, his dunking has improved a bit as well. He has been getting to the line a lot more now as well and isnt a terrible free throw shooter. im excited to see how much he improves over just the next 10 games.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

@UBK thanks for pointing that out. I read the numbers wrong. It's been corrected.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

I would add, while many (I'd say MOST in the MAINSTREAM media) scoffed at his contract, he might end the season as the most underpaid big man in basketball....if you look at the contracts of less productive guys like deandre jordan and javale mcgee
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

i honestly dont understand what denver was thinking with mcgee, he is one of the most efficent players on that team with the minutes he is given and some nights they play him only like 15 minutes
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

I agree the Asik contract will be looked back on as a steal which is what I figured from the beginning. I believe Asik's work ethic will also drive him past players mentioned like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee. I also agree that if he had an athletic banger at his side they would be cleaning the boards with tips to each other all night. It is way too early to judge his offensive game, in fact I would say give a full season and then we can make a judgement.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

So I would fully expect Hakeem the Dream will be working out with Asik these next few off seasons. Although Asik obviously doesn't have Hakeem's quickness and versatility, I would expect to see Asik continue improving on the offensive end of the court over time. It's a pleasure going to the Rockets games and watching Asik compete with the more established bigs in the NBA. I love his deameanor and his work ethic! He also needs to learn how to swat away more shots while keeping the ball in play in turn starting more fast break opportunities for the Rockets.
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