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@  rocketrick : (24 June 2016 - 05:19 AM) Rockets also signing Kyle Wiltjer, Stretch 4, played at Gonzaga and Isaiah Taylor, PG, UT
@  rocketrick : (24 June 2016 - 04:51 AM) Rockets have just signed PG Gary Payton II to a 3-year contract
@  majik19 : (24 June 2016 - 03:46 AM) not only is Onuaku a bad free throw shooter... http://espn.go.com/v...lip?id=15522771
@  majik19 : (24 June 2016 - 03:43 AM) Two centers... i'm sure he was just going potential but interesting nonetheless.
@  DenverRocket : (24 June 2016 - 03:38 AM) Zhou Qi, PF from China
@  DenverRocket : (24 June 2016 - 03:22 AM) Chinanu Onuaku © from Louisville - bad free throw shooter ;-)
@  DenverRocket : (24 June 2016 - 01:05 AM) Also, does this suggest that Thunder aren't confident of keeping KD?
@  DenverRocket : (24 June 2016 - 01:02 AM) Some of these draft day trades are bizarre. Why would Orlando trade Oladipo, Illyasova AND Sabonis for Ibaka???
@  slick shoes : (22 June 2016 - 04:50 AM) I am curious to see what Howard's perceived market value is compared to his actual market value. I'd give him a 3 year deal with the 3rd year a team option at 15 declining to 12 mil over the course of the contract.
@  majik19 : (22 June 2016 - 12:30 AM) So Howard officially opts out, which according to ESPN gives us 45 million in cap space. Wow! (Not that we'll be able to use it, most likely.)
@  slick shoes : (21 June 2016 - 06:57 PM) According to DM we'll be aggressively seeking a trade for a first rounder.
@  slick shoes : (21 June 2016 - 03:30 PM) Lebron, Kyrie, and buy in from the team. I also think that the pressure of delivering a title to cap off their historic season wore on their big three and that chasing 73 wins might have tired them out for the last three games.
@  majik19 : (21 June 2016 - 03:08 PM) so the unbeatable warriors - are the cavs a blueprint? or do they just have Lebron, so you can't really emulate that?
@  thejohnnygold : (20 June 2016 - 11:43 PM) This was one of my favorite Finals of all time. Amazing stuff.
@  slick shoes : (20 June 2016 - 04:44 PM) "It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring."
@  thejohnnygold : (17 June 2016 - 01:48 PM) Agree with you on LeBron. Not sure why the Forum link disappeared from the front page.
@  rocketrick : (17 June 2016 - 11:22 AM) Anyway, LeBron is clearly the MVP of this year's Finals at this moment in my opinion
@  rocketrick : (17 June 2016 - 11:21 AM) Whats up with accessing Forum? Technical Issue?
@  majik19 : (16 June 2016 - 01:06 AM) hey Harden won an award! the "Shaqtin a Fool" award... but an award!
@  slick shoes : (15 June 2016 - 04:52 PM) as long as he doesnt show up fat and out of shape and then blame a poor season on it.

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Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle


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#1 Red94

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

New post: Omer Asik: The unquantifiable man in the middle
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#2 ale11

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Great article :D As I stated after the game against Chicago, I love what he does, those kind of things that don't appear on the stat sheet, contesting shots and disrupting the opposite C comfort (again, Noah making those far "jumpers", if you can call it that way, was a total aberration). Like is said at the end of the article, offense is not what he is being paid for, but he is actually improving, even if he miss many layups that could easily dunk instead, he is gaining confidence at finishing himself instead of passing the ball, and his FG% can't be much worse than this, so....he is going to be better, but right now, he is DEFINITELY worth the money he's being paid. And right now, no one can argue that, really.
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#3 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I disagree with Michael's informative article, or at least his conclusion. If one believes the advance statistics, Asik is nowhere near an All-Star center. In fact, he's not very good. His PER is 12.3, significantly below league average despite his amazing rebound rates. His defensive stats, not surprising, are pretty good, but nowhere near enough to offset his offensive liabilities. There are three things wrong with Asik's game: 1) he can't shoot well--his true shooting percentage is below 50 percent; 2) he's a turnover machine (the highest turnover rate on the team, and he's a center!); and 3) a really high usage rate (around the same as Jeremy Lin). His Win Share statistics--which tries to balance out defensive and offensive contributions--is below the average.

Either Asik is going to have to improve his shooting and ball handling skills, or the Rockets are going to have to reconfigure their offense so that the only time he touches the ball is when he gets an offensive rebound.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

The 4Q minutes stat is a little deceiving. He sat out the entire 4Q in the Jazz blow-out loss and sat most of 4Q against Knicks.

Johnny Rocket,
PER is an offensive stat. It highly values two things-offensive rebounding and shooting percentages. Since Asik is a bad shooter his PER is gonna be low. (Howard and Chandler,another couple of bigs w/poor shooting skills,get their %s up w/an inordinate amount of lobs. Since Asik appears to be affected by gravity more,he's not going to get those % stuffing shots.)
PER has nothing to do w/defense.

The question Michael raises is should a player who's utterly dominant on D,but has minimal offensive skills get as much credit as an unstoppable scorer who plays zero defense?

And if the Rockets had a PF who could actually go and get rebounds,not just collect those that fall to him,Asik's ability to tip away Rocket misses from opponents would result in more offensive rebounds.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

"No seven-footer in NBA history to average at least 30 minutes and eight shot attempts per game has ever shot lower than 52.6% from the field for an entire season."

52.6% is a good shooting percentage. That sounded too surprising to be true and just a few minutes checking shows that is wrong. Examples include Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez and Yao Ming. Was something else meant?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I added a link to show where I got that specific stat from.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

he will only get better as a offensive player, he is adjusting to a much bigger role in houston and you can tell he is still learning every minute he is on the court. The first couple games of the season he was absolutely terrified when he would receive passes in the paint, but now he is welcoming it and either passing out or TRYING to score. His reverse layup is scary to look at but most of the times it works, his dunking has improved a bit as well. He has been getting to the line a lot more now as well and isnt a terrible free throw shooter. im excited to see how much he improves over just the next 10 games.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

@UBK thanks for pointing that out. I read the numbers wrong. It's been corrected.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

I would add, while many (I'd say MOST in the MAINSTREAM media) scoffed at his contract, he might end the season as the most underpaid big man in basketball....if you look at the contracts of less productive guys like deandre jordan and javale mcgee
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

i honestly dont understand what denver was thinking with mcgee, he is one of the most efficent players on that team with the minutes he is given and some nights they play him only like 15 minutes
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

I agree the Asik contract will be looked back on as a steal which is what I figured from the beginning. I believe Asik's work ethic will also drive him past players mentioned like DeAndre Jordan and JaVale McGee. I also agree that if he had an athletic banger at his side they would be cleaning the boards with tips to each other all night. It is way too early to judge his offensive game, in fact I would say give a full season and then we can make a judgement.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

So I would fully expect Hakeem the Dream will be working out with Asik these next few off seasons. Although Asik obviously doesn't have Hakeem's quickness and versatility, I would expect to see Asik continue improving on the offensive end of the court over time. It's a pleasure going to the Rockets games and watching Asik compete with the more established bigs in the NBA. I love his deameanor and his work ethic! He also needs to learn how to swat away more shots while keeping the ball in play in turn starting more fast break opportunities for the Rockets.
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