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@  redfaithful : (21 September 2014 - 11:40 AM) So many overpaid players in Minnesota... Including a couple ex-Rockets
@  Cooper : (20 September 2014 - 12:48 AM) Bennet? Or they have a couple other young guys.
@  txtdo1411 : (19 September 2014 - 10:29 PM) Did anybody else see that Minny offered Bledsoe a max? I believe they are over the cap, so it would have to be a S&T. I wonder who the Wolves feel they can deal to get Bledsoe.
@  thejohnnygold : (17 September 2014 - 10:46 PM) Nice article about Trevor Ariza. LINK
@  feelingsuper... : (15 September 2014 - 09:01 PM) Okay, I may have been a little harsh down below in my earlier comments but at the very least I agree with Bird, Paul George's comments were thoughtless. Thanks for the link jorgeaam.
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:24 PM) Here's a link http://www.sbnation....mestic-violence
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:23 PM) He made some comments about Ray Rice
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) WOJ just destroyed Coach K this morning.
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) FSS: what comments of George are you referring to?
@  rocketrick : (14 September 2014 - 12:41 PM) OK
@  thejohnnygold : (13 September 2014 - 03:43 PM) If anyone wants to discuss that please use the "Off-Topic" section of the forum. Thanks.
@  rocketrick : (13 September 2014 - 12:15 PM) Is Danny Ferry a "racist"??
@  feelingsuper... : (12 September 2014 - 02:42 PM) Kind of cool of Fran Fraschilla to acknowledge his false color commentary (on twitter today) during yesterdays game about what D-Mo jokingly said about Harden not eating with the team.
@  feelingsuper... : (11 September 2014 - 05:49 PM) After this morning Paul George doesn't look too good in the court of public opinion. He seems to come off more and more as a douchebag with very low ethical beliefs.
@  redfaithful : (10 September 2014 - 11:29 PM) Watching France dismantle the Spanish star squad, couldn't resist thanking Stern for cancelling the Pau trade - would have been very hard for me to root for him as a Rocket. So much better to have H&H.
@  thejohnnygold : (10 September 2014 - 04:06 PM) Whaaaaa....?
@  rocketrick : (10 September 2014 - 12:35 PM) So I've been watching Mike and Mike this morning for 2+ hours and still no mention whatsoever about USA Basketball and the FIBA Tournament. They did spend about 2 minutes on the Danny Ferry comment re: Luol Deng. Anyway, life goes on for us white folks............
@  Cooper : (08 September 2014 - 03:01 PM) His comments were dumb but not in sterling territory. Just flat out taking a 5-7 hundred million $ team from someone for that would be incredibly hard to justify.
@  rocketrick : (08 September 2014 - 12:12 PM) Another NBA Owner making thoughtless statements about race relations is selling their franchise and probably going to walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit to boot. What else is new?
@  thejohnnygold : (03 September 2014 - 07:03 PM) I don't recall seeing any of that....most of us are excited about his experience and the praise he is drawing from well-respected coaches. Perhaps you're confusing us with another group?

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#1 Red94

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

New post: Marcus Morris has been killing it
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

Too bad it has not been the same with Jeremy Lin. Although despite his offensive woes he has done a moderate job handling at the point on the offensive end averaging 6.6 assists per game and defensively averaging 4.5 rebounds (pretty high for a PG) and 2.0 steals (one of the league's best). But he was not signed just to be "moderate." Rockets fan along with the organization wanted "LINSANITY." Unfortunately, it seems rather apparent that Linsanity is now DEAD.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

well, at least he's not rafer alston.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:49 PM

Regarding Lin: Of course everybody wanted Linsanity, but Morey signed knowing full well, having stated it multiple times, the possibility and likelihood that Lin might not produce at that level for an entire season. He did recognize his abilities overall and I think Lin has proved more than capable of being an above average NBA point guard. So...I wouldn't attempt to classify Lin as some monumental disappoint, especially this early into a season on a newly built team, coming back from injury, in an offense that isn't requiring him to run PnR as often as did in NY, etc. ad nauseum. There is no need to be so polarized by Lin as to cast judgement on him in extreme fashion immediately or play apologist for him for his shortcomings. This is probably the most frustrating thing about Lin, his fans/detractors... that and his shooting.

Lin aside, considering OP was about MARCUS MORRIS, M&M has absolutely surprised me. I think it was during the preseason I still wasn't convinced that he was going to be of any worth and had all but written him, reserving for him only pity. But boy doI love it when Rockets players make me eat crow. He's rolled with the punches and taken the negative (injury, D-league stint) in stride. His confidence is where it needs to be, he's shown a great deal of initiative on defense, he's knocking down 3's with reckless abandon. I'd like to see where he stands taking people off the dribble a bit more and perhaps working on a back-to-the-basket repertoire, but all in all Marcus Morris has made it incredibly easy to root for him, whereas a while a go many of us were wishing he would just get off the court.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:55 AM

Glad Morris is playing well not sure about his prospects as a long term starter on a contending team but he seems like a good scoring punch off the bench.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:35 AM

I've loved what Morris has brought so far. He looks confident and capable of both efficient scoring and great hustle plays. I'm reserving judgement until he's kept up these shooting percentages for a bit longer, but if he can continue in this vein he's going to make an excellent 6th man (well, I guess he'll be sharing with Delfino for that title, but you know what I mean).

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:51 AM

I think he can easily become the 6th man that is needed for a contender.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:15 AM

I think all he needed was consistent minutes, his brother got those minutes immediately last year and had a good year so I think his good play is here to stay.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:17 AM

Summer League means nothing,but sometimes it does.
In this Summer's first game Morris looked lost,the same as last yr.
Then in the second half of the second game "it" clicked and he looked like a different player,one who got it.
And he's been confident,aggressive ever since.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

Speaking of Patterson,it looks like he's reached his ceiling.
He's a good one-on-one defender,but a poor help defender unable to offer any weak-side defense. He's a positional defender who will contest shots but not block them.
He's got a good mid-range jumper and knows how to quickly move to open spots on court. But he won't attack the basket and can only operate in low-post against bad defenders.

In short,he's the perfect complement the Rockets were looking for to team with Yao. Put him beside any scoring,rebounding,shot-blocking C and he'll be a great fit. He's be a great third big on a contending team.(He's be darn near perfect on Boston or Miami for example.)
Unfortunately,the Rockets aren't that kind of team. They need more from the PF and Pat doesn't have more to give.

And as well as Morris has been playing,I think his future is at the SF,w/some small-ball PF thrown in. He didn't get abused by LeBron or Kobe,so it looks like he can defend the wing.
NY can get away w/Carmelo at the 4,but in the West PFs actually play the PF position with the likes of Gasol,Randolph,Griffin,Duncan,Aldridge,Lee and eventually Love to contend with.

That leaves on the current roster Jones and Motie.
Right now Jones is thinking too much and playing like a clueless rookie...yet he's shown the tools that might-might-make him special. Other than Asik,he's the only Rocket who will block shots,he's shown flashes of being able to rebound out of his space and he is quick,quick,quick.(And he can fire up a crowd w/a spectacular play-not something that impresses the coaches,but is appreciated by the fans and sometimes it will inspire his teammates.)
If he can get to the point where he's playing-and playing smart-not thinking about what he's going to do,he could be very good.

But Motie may be the future at the PF. If he can adjust and learn the NBA successfully,he might be a Cousins/Z-Bo/Al Jefferson type PF,a consistent scorer who gets enough rebounds and isn't a sieve on D.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

Stephen - I'm glad you mentioned that (re: Morris' wing defense.) I didn't get to watch the Lakers game, but Morris' defense on Lebron was probably the most impressed I've been by him all year, even including his offensive moments. Aside from one or two tough turnarounds that he would have hit over anyone, Lebron really didn't do much against Morris. And this is the best player in the world. If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing. The question though is where is he best used offensively. We still haven't seen the postup game, but his ability to spread the floor from the '4' has kept him at the 4.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

Stephen - I'm glad you mentioned that (re: Morris' wing defense.) I didn't get to watch the Lakers game, but Morris' defense on Lebron was probably the most impressed I've been by him all year, even including his offensive moments. Aside from one or two tough turnarounds that he would have hit over anyone, Lebron really didn't do much against Morris. And this is the best player in the world. If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing. The question though is where is he best used offensively. We still haven't seen the postup game, but his ability to spread the floor from the '4' has kept him at the 4.


While I agree with your general point, I strongly disagree with the statement: "If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing." This is clearly not true. LeBron's blend of speed and strength is what makes him so dangerous, but he is emphatically not the quickest wing you will see on the court, and Morris is always going to be much more susceptible to fast players than he is to big ones. Do you think he would have been able to do a good job against a healthy Wade? What about someone like Lou Williams or even Kevin Martin? I think he will generally struggle against players would would previously have been termed shooting guards and now fall under the wing designation.

That's not to say that that's a problem, per se. You're going to get cross-matches from time to time on the wing, but provided he is principally assigned to watch a small forward type player he should be fine.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

Well to be fair wade is a SG and even some of the best defensive sgs can't stay with him so I wouldn't expect much from Morris in a situation with him guarding wade.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

While I agree with your general point, I strongly disagree with the statement: "If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing." This is clearly not true. LeBron's blend of speed and strength is what makes him so dangerous, but he is emphatically not the quickest wing you will see on the court, and Morris is always going to be much more susceptible to fast players than he is to big ones. Do you think he would have been able to do a good job against a healthy Wade? What about someone like Lou Williams or even Kevin Martin? I think he will generally struggle against players would would previously have been termed shooting guards and now fall under the wing designation.

That's not to say that that's a problem, per se. You're going to get cross-matches from time to time on the wing, but provided he is principally assigned to watch a small forward type player he should be fine.

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Sir Thursday - The second I typed all of that out, the thought which you articulated occurred to me. I agree. Morris would probably get roasted by some of the smaller wings.

I'm interested to see when/if the Rockets plan on using him in the block. They don't have any other offensive options outside of Harden at this point.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:19 PM

While Morris might get burnt by SGs,he'll rarely defend them. That will be the job of Harden,Parsons,Delfino or whoever the Rockets eventually get for the back-up SG position.

Morris got minutes early at the 4 because Patterson and Smith lost games early due to injuries and Jones,Motie and White aren't ready.
Now that Pat and Smith are healthy,Morris' minutes at the 4 are going to decline.

Rahat,
Against Kobe,much like against LeBron,Morris stayed in front,moved his feet laterally staying in front of his man,and backed off a bit to prevent drives,giving up Js but contesting them. Smart positional defense that he could keep up for a stretch. Don't know how he'd hold up against them for a full game,as players at that level know how to successfully adapt to a defender,and he gives up jumpers-if his man is hot,too bad.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

Hardwood Paroxysm has an article on Morris' improvement: http://www.hardwoodp...ming-up-marcus/

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:00 PM

Interestingly, his brother Markief has played almost identical minutes for Pheonix this year and is getting very similar stats. Marcus is a little higher on shooting percentage, and Markief is doing better on rebounds/assists. It will be fun to compare these guys in a couple years. Imagine the consistency you would get if these two continued to improve similarly. You could give each guy 24 minutes and not change your production from starter to bench...
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

I personally thought Markieff was real impressive last year. It must have killed Marcus seeing his brother getting minutes on an equally crappy team while he rotted on the bench. But I guess it all worked out.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

"But Motie may be the future at the PF. If he can adjust and learn the NBA successfully,he might be a Cousins/Z-Bo/Al Jefferson type PF,a consistent scorer who gets enough rebounds and isn't a sieve on D."

I absolutely could not agree more with this statement.... though I think Jones will prove to be a valuable rotation piece before the season is up.
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