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@  thejohnnygold : (27 February 2015 - 04:31 PM) @losthief--I know exactly what it is--my ex-wife is English. How about we just don't cuss in the shoutbox, on the front page of an ESPN affiliated site, when we know it's against the rules? It's in the terms of use and it's not a game. If you need to cuss in your posts every other Rockets' forum allows that and all sorts of other behavior--go there to get it out of your system. The editing I do is a courtesy--the reality is warnings and bans are prescribed for violations. Sorry for the harshness, but I want the point to be clear for everyone.

Also, if you don't think UK English is a different language go over there and spend some time talking to folks--and not the posh ones with the stiff upper lips.
@  Losthief : (27 February 2015 - 01:26 AM) to be clear what i used jg was an english word...but i get you, didn't mean it as a curse word...thats urban slangs fault, its a middle english word.
@  cointurtlemoose : (26 February 2015 - 09:37 PM) "James Harden didn't practice today. Coach Kevin McHale told reporters Harden's right ankle was swollen and sore. He got treatment." - via Calvin Watkins
@  YaoMan : (26 February 2015 - 08:08 PM) @ jorgearm, Prigioni played well in his time on the floor. He could prove very helpful for the stretch run
@  YaoMan : (26 February 2015 - 08:07 PM) @ Incubus, give it time. KJ may see some time later but he's too fresh and needs practice with the team and I am still under the impression that this is a trade asset as well
@  YaoMan : (26 February 2015 - 08:06 PM) Does anyone know the condition of the Harden's ankle?
@  Incubus2803 : (26 February 2015 - 06:57 PM) Kj McDaniels was never going to play for this team. Morey saw someone that was shining (presumably) in his defensive metrics, with athleticism bubbling out of him, and trusted that we could teach him to shoot. Remember the part about Smoove not leaving the gym till he sank 200 3s? Yea...
@  thejohnnygold : (26 February 2015 - 05:36 PM) Cursing in another language is still cursing. Sorry. By the way, this is not a game--let's not start that, please.
@  Losthief : (26 February 2015 - 06:08 AM) i kno...my heart can't take the *looks thru thesaurus* agony and the ecstasy of it all (does that work jg?)
@  cointurtlemoose : (26 February 2015 - 03:26 AM) Harden's gotta stop scaring me by having these close calls......
@  jorgeaam : (26 February 2015 - 03:09 AM) I'm still wondering where KJ McDaniels is at
@  jorgeaam : (26 February 2015 - 03:03 AM) Well, it seems Prigioni actually enjoys playing with a real team for a change.
@  jorgeaam : (26 February 2015 - 03:02 AM) Same question I get when I see Tyson Chandler and Dallas
@  Sir Thursday : (26 February 2015 - 02:19 AM) So the question is: why don't the Clippers just throw an alley-oop to Jordan every time? The Rockets only seem to be able to stop it about one time in three...
@  Cooper : (26 February 2015 - 01:58 AM) crawford going off and harden doing nothing. Surprised they're still in the game
@  jorgeaam : (26 February 2015 - 01:43 AM) T Jones hustling
@  Mario Peña : (25 February 2015 - 05:28 AM) That's unfortunate he is going down again.
@  jorgeaam : (25 February 2015 - 03:50 AM) Guys, D Rose is out for the year again
@  cointurtlemoose : (24 February 2015 - 08:06 PM) I like him off the bench, and I like him and Smith together. Depends on the matchup though too
@  YaoMan : (24 February 2015 - 04:10 PM) Should T Jone start or should he come off the bench for some potent punch? I'm conflicted on this...

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#1 Red94

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

New post: Marcus Morris has been killing it
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

Too bad it has not been the same with Jeremy Lin. Although despite his offensive woes he has done a moderate job handling at the point on the offensive end averaging 6.6 assists per game and defensively averaging 4.5 rebounds (pretty high for a PG) and 2.0 steals (one of the league's best). But he was not signed just to be "moderate." Rockets fan along with the organization wanted "LINSANITY." Unfortunately, it seems rather apparent that Linsanity is now DEAD.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

well, at least he's not rafer alston.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:49 PM

Regarding Lin: Of course everybody wanted Linsanity, but Morey signed knowing full well, having stated it multiple times, the possibility and likelihood that Lin might not produce at that level for an entire season. He did recognize his abilities overall and I think Lin has proved more than capable of being an above average NBA point guard. So...I wouldn't attempt to classify Lin as some monumental disappoint, especially this early into a season on a newly built team, coming back from injury, in an offense that isn't requiring him to run PnR as often as did in NY, etc. ad nauseum. There is no need to be so polarized by Lin as to cast judgement on him in extreme fashion immediately or play apologist for him for his shortcomings. This is probably the most frustrating thing about Lin, his fans/detractors... that and his shooting.

Lin aside, considering OP was about MARCUS MORRIS, M&M has absolutely surprised me. I think it was during the preseason I still wasn't convinced that he was going to be of any worth and had all but written him, reserving for him only pity. But boy doI love it when Rockets players make me eat crow. He's rolled with the punches and taken the negative (injury, D-league stint) in stride. His confidence is where it needs to be, he's shown a great deal of initiative on defense, he's knocking down 3's with reckless abandon. I'd like to see where he stands taking people off the dribble a bit more and perhaps working on a back-to-the-basket repertoire, but all in all Marcus Morris has made it incredibly easy to root for him, whereas a while a go many of us were wishing he would just get off the court.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:55 AM

Glad Morris is playing well not sure about his prospects as a long term starter on a contending team but he seems like a good scoring punch off the bench.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:35 AM

I've loved what Morris has brought so far. He looks confident and capable of both efficient scoring and great hustle plays. I'm reserving judgement until he's kept up these shooting percentages for a bit longer, but if he can continue in this vein he's going to make an excellent 6th man (well, I guess he'll be sharing with Delfino for that title, but you know what I mean).

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:51 AM

I think he can easily become the 6th man that is needed for a contender.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:15 AM

I think all he needed was consistent minutes, his brother got those minutes immediately last year and had a good year so I think his good play is here to stay.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:17 AM

Summer League means nothing,but sometimes it does.
In this Summer's first game Morris looked lost,the same as last yr.
Then in the second half of the second game "it" clicked and he looked like a different player,one who got it.
And he's been confident,aggressive ever since.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

Speaking of Patterson,it looks like he's reached his ceiling.
He's a good one-on-one defender,but a poor help defender unable to offer any weak-side defense. He's a positional defender who will contest shots but not block them.
He's got a good mid-range jumper and knows how to quickly move to open spots on court. But he won't attack the basket and can only operate in low-post against bad defenders.

In short,he's the perfect complement the Rockets were looking for to team with Yao. Put him beside any scoring,rebounding,shot-blocking C and he'll be a great fit. He's be a great third big on a contending team.(He's be darn near perfect on Boston or Miami for example.)
Unfortunately,the Rockets aren't that kind of team. They need more from the PF and Pat doesn't have more to give.

And as well as Morris has been playing,I think his future is at the SF,w/some small-ball PF thrown in. He didn't get abused by LeBron or Kobe,so it looks like he can defend the wing.
NY can get away w/Carmelo at the 4,but in the West PFs actually play the PF position with the likes of Gasol,Randolph,Griffin,Duncan,Aldridge,Lee and eventually Love to contend with.

That leaves on the current roster Jones and Motie.
Right now Jones is thinking too much and playing like a clueless rookie...yet he's shown the tools that might-might-make him special. Other than Asik,he's the only Rocket who will block shots,he's shown flashes of being able to rebound out of his space and he is quick,quick,quick.(And he can fire up a crowd w/a spectacular play-not something that impresses the coaches,but is appreciated by the fans and sometimes it will inspire his teammates.)
If he can get to the point where he's playing-and playing smart-not thinking about what he's going to do,he could be very good.

But Motie may be the future at the PF. If he can adjust and learn the NBA successfully,he might be a Cousins/Z-Bo/Al Jefferson type PF,a consistent scorer who gets enough rebounds and isn't a sieve on D.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

Stephen - I'm glad you mentioned that (re: Morris' wing defense.) I didn't get to watch the Lakers game, but Morris' defense on Lebron was probably the most impressed I've been by him all year, even including his offensive moments. Aside from one or two tough turnarounds that he would have hit over anyone, Lebron really didn't do much against Morris. And this is the best player in the world. If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing. The question though is where is he best used offensively. We still haven't seen the postup game, but his ability to spread the floor from the '4' has kept him at the 4.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

Stephen - I'm glad you mentioned that (re: Morris' wing defense.) I didn't get to watch the Lakers game, but Morris' defense on Lebron was probably the most impressed I've been by him all year, even including his offensive moments. Aside from one or two tough turnarounds that he would have hit over anyone, Lebron really didn't do much against Morris. And this is the best player in the world. If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing. The question though is where is he best used offensively. We still haven't seen the postup game, but his ability to spread the floor from the '4' has kept him at the 4.


While I agree with your general point, I strongly disagree with the statement: "If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing." This is clearly not true. LeBron's blend of speed and strength is what makes him so dangerous, but he is emphatically not the quickest wing you will see on the court, and Morris is always going to be much more susceptible to fast players than he is to big ones. Do you think he would have been able to do a good job against a healthy Wade? What about someone like Lou Williams or even Kevin Martin? I think he will generally struggle against players would would previously have been termed shooting guards and now fall under the wing designation.

That's not to say that that's a problem, per se. You're going to get cross-matches from time to time on the wing, but provided he is principally assigned to watch a small forward type player he should be fine.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

Well to be fair wade is a SG and even some of the best defensive sgs can't stay with him so I wouldn't expect much from Morris in a situation with him guarding wade.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

While I agree with your general point, I strongly disagree with the statement: "If he can stay with Lebron, he can stay with any wing." This is clearly not true. LeBron's blend of speed and strength is what makes him so dangerous, but he is emphatically not the quickest wing you will see on the court, and Morris is always going to be much more susceptible to fast players than he is to big ones. Do you think he would have been able to do a good job against a healthy Wade? What about someone like Lou Williams or even Kevin Martin? I think he will generally struggle against players would would previously have been termed shooting guards and now fall under the wing designation.

That's not to say that that's a problem, per se. You're going to get cross-matches from time to time on the wing, but provided he is principally assigned to watch a small forward type player he should be fine.

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Sir Thursday - The second I typed all of that out, the thought which you articulated occurred to me. I agree. Morris would probably get roasted by some of the smaller wings.

I'm interested to see when/if the Rockets plan on using him in the block. They don't have any other offensive options outside of Harden at this point.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:19 PM

While Morris might get burnt by SGs,he'll rarely defend them. That will be the job of Harden,Parsons,Delfino or whoever the Rockets eventually get for the back-up SG position.

Morris got minutes early at the 4 because Patterson and Smith lost games early due to injuries and Jones,Motie and White aren't ready.
Now that Pat and Smith are healthy,Morris' minutes at the 4 are going to decline.

Rahat,
Against Kobe,much like against LeBron,Morris stayed in front,moved his feet laterally staying in front of his man,and backed off a bit to prevent drives,giving up Js but contesting them. Smart positional defense that he could keep up for a stretch. Don't know how he'd hold up against them for a full game,as players at that level know how to successfully adapt to a defender,and he gives up jumpers-if his man is hot,too bad.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

Hardwood Paroxysm has an article on Morris' improvement: http://www.hardwoodp...ming-up-marcus/

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:00 PM

Interestingly, his brother Markief has played almost identical minutes for Pheonix this year and is getting very similar stats. Marcus is a little higher on shooting percentage, and Markief is doing better on rebounds/assists. It will be fun to compare these guys in a couple years. Imagine the consistency you would get if these two continued to improve similarly. You could give each guy 24 minutes and not change your production from starter to bench...
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#18 Rahat Huq

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

I personally thought Markieff was real impressive last year. It must have killed Marcus seeing his brother getting minutes on an equally crappy team while he rotted on the bench. But I guess it all worked out.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

New post: Marcus Morris's Improvement
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

"But Motie may be the future at the PF. If he can adjust and learn the NBA successfully,he might be a Cousins/Z-Bo/Al Jefferson type PF,a consistent scorer who gets enough rebounds and isn't a sieve on D."

I absolutely could not agree more with this statement.... though I think Jones will prove to be a valuable rotation piece before the season is up.
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