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@  Losthief : (21 September 2018 - 10:28 PM) me either...but thibs gonna thib
@  slick shoes : (21 September 2018 - 08:36 PM) Sounds like no one will be getting anything at this point. I don't see the angle the T wolves are trying to play here. This will only affect their locker room negatively going forward.
@  Losthief : (21 September 2018 - 06:49 PM) I didn't mean he deserved/we should give more...but i can see them getting more from others. Its really only one asset and cap filler/matching. Probably take at least two assets (or a higher value pick than our late late 1st)
@  slick shoes : (20 September 2018 - 05:44 PM) They dont have much leverage at this point. He's on the last year of his deal and he wants out. Maybe another developmental player on top of the previously mentioned package?
@  Losthief : (20 September 2018 - 06:51 AM) tough seeing that as enough. Hopefully we make a play for him though.
@  slick shoes : (19 September 2018 - 06:14 PM) Jimmy B has requested a trade. Marquis Chrriss, Brandon Knight, and a future first?
@  slick shoes : (10 September 2018 - 11:22 PM) corey brewer!
@  slick shoes : (31 August 2018 - 04:17 AM) cap space!
@  slick shoes : (23 August 2018 - 06:46 PM) I am hoping the team chemistry building trip to the Bahamas will integrate Melo into the fold quickly. He seems to be open to being a part of our culture instead of Melo on a team so there's at least that.
@  thejohnnygold : (23 August 2018 - 02:06 PM) I'm of the mind to concede judgement to the players. CP3 is too smart to want to bring in dead weight. If he thinks Melo will help, then I have to believe it too.
@  slick shoes : (22 August 2018 - 09:37 PM) As I recall, DH12 spurned many other suitors to join James and Co. It is just a matter of fit. He was not a good one.
@  rocketrick : (22 August 2018 - 05:19 PM) I am personally much more positive about Carmelo going forward than D12 as Carmelo wants to be here
@  rocketrick : (31 July 2018 - 12:19 PM) Player Mental Health and Attitude is underappreciated IMO. D12 in Houston was a Disaster in his 3rd (and thankfully final season). D12 wanted to be the focus and "the man"
@  rocketrick : (31 July 2018 - 12:17 PM) The Warriors can only offer Boogie slightly more than $6 million in 2019-2020 per CBA. Seems clear to me Boogie is a 1-year adventure for the Warriors unless I am misunderstanding CBA going forward.
@  rocketrick : (31 July 2018 - 10:20 AM) Who do the Warriors sit if Boogie is on the floor at the end of games? If Boogie is on the bench at the end of games how will Cousins deal with that?
@  thejohnnygold : (30 July 2018 - 02:57 PM) Regarding Boogie--I guess we'll see. He's a force down low and on a team with the likes of Curry, Klay, and Durant he's gonna get a lot of easy looks because the defense is so obsessed with those other guys.
@  slick shoes : (30 July 2018 - 12:45 PM) I hear that we are looking at Jared Dudley as a potential signing. Not sure he pushes us over the top but he and PJ have been working out steadily over the summer.
@  Losthief : (29 July 2018 - 10:27 PM) keeping in mind this is post-achilles boogie, so...fatter and slower (can't be helped at least for year one).
@  Losthief : (29 July 2018 - 10:08 PM) Is boogie closing games for them tho? If so you have capela and drop melo. I mean, melo=draymond at 5, capela = boogie. whose boogie replacing in there closing lineup and not being torn up by paul/harden.
@  thejohnnygold : (29 July 2018 - 04:53 PM) Don't forget about Boogie. This GS team will be different than what we are all used to. Do we really want Melo guarding Boogie on the block? Tucker?

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#1 Red94

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

New post: Denver Nuggets 93, Houston Rockets 87
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#2 sircharles

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:33 AM

i felt like i was watching the cleveland indians at the begining of there season in the first major league movie

https://www.youtube....h?v=rBsvuoQMmuo
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:00 PM

This team is going to struggle in the half-court offense for awhile. At one point late in the first half last night, they had become so frustrated that they were posting up Asik in their half-court offense. That's not a good sign, at least at this stage of Asik's offensive development.

IMHO, it remains absurd that D Mo and Jones have not seen a stitch of playing time yet. With each passing game, it becomes clearer that McHale is not the right coach for developing this team.
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#4 sircharles

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

Hopefully harden now knows to never throw a alley oop to asik.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

Consequences of failed and successful trades.

In pursuing Dwight the Rockets assumed they were going to have to give up a lot of their front court depth and that they would end up taking J-Rich on.
This would have left them w/a wing depth of Parsons,Delfino(who they were pursuing for a while),Morris,Richardson and either Lamb or a resigned Lee.

Instead the Rockets ended up trading for Harden,while losing both their SGs and keeping all their bigs.
They've ended up w/Parsons,Morris,Delfino,Harden and an undersized Cook. W/the late Pre-Season injuries to Pat,Jones and Motie's infection,the team needed Morris at the 4.
Essentially the team's wings have been whittled down to three players.

With Douglas' inability to run any semblance of an offense,McHale either has to go w/Machado(who has shown zero ability to defend NBA players or any reliable outside shot) or keep Parsons or Harden on the floor w/second unit. The more time the two spend on the second unit is less time they spend on the court together.
This is where the Livingston decision is coming back to bite the Rockets. While Shaun has his own pretty strong limitations,the team could use run him and Douglas out there together,letting Livingston run offense while Douglas could defend PGs and jack up shots.

The dilemma for McHale and the Rookies is if he plays Motie,White or Jones,it does nothing to help his wings rotation. Until Douglas gets whacked by a get-a-clue-stick,the second unit need somebody to steady them and run some basic offense.
If he plays Morris at the 3(or Jones),he's either removed Delfino,his one half-way reliable 3pt shooter from his rotation or is counting on Douglas to set up Morris,Delfino and the back-up bigs.
The only viable solution w/the current roster is for either Douglas to completely change what he has been in his career to date,Jones becoming a not-wacky Lamar Odom,White to be astonishing in practices-or bite the bullet and go with an undrafted rookie PG,w/no defense and hope your back-up bigs can stop opposing PGs from doing too much damage inside.

I hate to blame a player for being who he is,but Douglas is simply not the right back-up PG for this Rockets team. The Rockets either need to add a play-making wing and allow Douglas to be who he is,or they need to replace him on the court w/a PG who is an actual PG.
If the former,the rookies will stay buried on the bench as Aldrich has looked like a capable back-up C(shocking me!),Pat has been very steady and Morris has been adequate as the back-up 4.(And if you yank Morris after one bad game,his confidence will be shot and he'll be useless going forward.)
If they go to a play-making PG,then you can run Morris and Defino out as the wings,freeing up minutes for the rookies at PF.
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#6 Mario Peña

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

I like a lot of your points and assumptions Stephen. Top and bottom, players on the roster including the rookies never play in a vacuum but always with the rest of the roster in real line ups that have to work out in practices first. I could be wrong but I can only assume at this very very early point of the season and considering you have to throw out the preseason since Harden is now here that the rookies riding the bench have not translated their upside into success in practice yet. Realistically maybe one of them cracks the rotation in December or January. We are just 4 games in, just 4 games people.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

Last night was my first chance to watch the new rockets, and I literally smacked my head at least three times in the first half. Hopefully familiarity will fix the bobbled passes problem.
Just throwing this out there: Delfino fits better with the starting unit than Parsons. Parsons is a much better playmaker, but when he is on the floor with Lin and Harden, he needs to catch kick-out passes and shoot with confidence. He is still the closest thing we have to a wing-stopper, but until he becomes a 3-point threat, Lin and Harden will suffer. Also, Delfino is the new Steve Novak for Lin.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

Playing Delfino as a starter takes a lot of foot speed off the court. Now you have Lin, Harden, and Delfino trading off the wing assignments. I agree in half court sets Delfino's shooting keeps the other team more honest, but we will get torched on defense. We need Parsons to calm down and bury some open 3s. It will happen eventually. Once Lin and Parson make a couple the half court offense will look better.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

(speaking of parsons / 3s) how about we just stop shooing so many damn 3s altogether? and what happened to being "up-tempo, run-and-gun" ?? am i not mistaken that thats how we were going to play? i havent watched every min of every game, but i dont recall seeing much of that. seems like we bring it up fairly slow. set up in the half court. pass it around. maybe drive in then dish out for a 3 that we miss.
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#10 Mario Peña

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

On Parsons I am torn ( in that Battier kind of way, I know ya'll remember that). I like all the glue guy stuff, the hustling but shooting five 3's a game so far at a 25% clip is not going to contribute to many Rockets' wins. I guess I will have to wait and see if it's a slump or if starts taking less shots or what.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

Since the addition of Harden, these guys have had zero time together on the court with the new leader (was there an old leader?). Regardless, at this point and probably for the rest of the season we will have to enjoy the comedy of errors.

Parsons is NOT a shooter in any sense of the word and may not ever be, his form is consistently ugly and inconsistent and will take a bout of amnesia for him to relearn proper form. However, as said below our offense would suffer if we switched Delfino and his roles due to the preference for speed, and our defense would doubly suffer in such a situation. It's Lin who really needs to polish up on his shot, his form is fine.

I think Asik could be really effective working from the elbow in a Hayes-like fashion. I realize he cant score but he seems to be an adept passer, and if all the motion opens up the lane he should make a few layups.

We need to try anyone at PG besides Douglas in my opinion.

If it wasn't for Parsons, Patterson and Asik playing good interior defense we'd be 0-4 right now.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

I think the shooting in general will improve. They aren't working together well to get good shots, and as such everyone has a bad percentage. Three point land looks the worst partially because that's where you try to bail yourself out of rig stymied on offense.

The missed open shots are a different story, though. Those are just barf.
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