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@  Fury : (06 July 2015 - 09:51 PM) The Spurs just got West..... They have a legitimate backup big not named Diaw. They never needed one before.
@  redfaithful : (06 July 2015 - 07:50 PM) Any chance Celtics moving him?
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 06:14 PM) Evan Turner???? Classic buy low player for Morey.
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 05:57 PM) Agreed. It'll probably be someone we are not expecting again.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 05:08 PM) @Mario--Yes, I think waiting until January/February gives us a chance to see who has improved (Nick Johnson) and who is getting traded (Jones/Papa). By then, other teams will likely have some PG's available for cheaper than they are right now (Jennings/Collison/Lawson)
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 04:59 PM) @losthief--yeah, I understand that...it still sends a message to me that he isn't as good as people think he might be. I guess we'll find out this season :)
@  Losthief : (06 July 2015 - 04:02 PM) JG they let him go cause they got LMA and needed cap space...
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 03:53 PM) Also guys, I heard Jonathan Feigan the Rockets beat writer on 610 am yesterday say that he thinks Morey doesn't make any moves till in season. I like the move towards stability and I hope Smith comes back.
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 03:47 PM) @johnnygold, yup I think they are standing pat which was the plan all along but midway through the season if they can pick up some point guard insurance it will help relieve James and in the playoffs right?
@  MrZeno1911 : (06 July 2015 - 03:33 PM) I can see us making a move this week, if not, then i'm not that excited for this season. We need to lock up Smith and go after that secondary guard. We have a 2 (serviceable) guard rotation. Take notice around the league and a lot of teams are stacked at the 1 and 2 positions. We have enough 4's and 3's to make a workable trade and not lose any of our depth. We can beat any of the teams in the WCF if we stay healthy and we keep the team together, we literally would have a 10 man rotation.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 02:31 PM) @Mario--at this point I think we are looking at trading for a PG mid-season if at all.
@  thejohnnygold : (06 July 2015 - 02:30 PM) For those who coveted Cory Jospeh, San Antonio just let him walk for nothing. What does that say? Of course, he got snatched up pretty fast by Toronto...
@  Mario Peña : (06 July 2015 - 11:42 AM) Of the remaining point guards I like Norris Cole.
@  jorgeaam : (06 July 2015 - 05:32 AM) It works tho
@  cointurtlemoose : (06 July 2015 - 05:17 AM) Yeah, bboley, may be just you. Haha.
@  thenit : (06 July 2015 - 02:11 AM) out of the remaining pgs Lin is their best option utilizing the pick and roll with DJ, the cupboard is bare. Doesn't move the needle for us but we have a tougher division this year than the past season
@  jorgeaam : (05 July 2015 - 11:01 PM) Wow the Mavs want Lin, lol
@  bboley24 : (05 July 2015 - 10:47 PM) It's just me isn't it?
@  bboley24 : (05 July 2015 - 10:47 PM) Is it just me or does Kevin Durant have an ugly shot?
@  jorgeaam : (05 July 2015 - 07:51 PM) Hibbert is a 7'2 player who can't get a rebound to save his life, don't count on it

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#1 Red94

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

New post: Denver Nuggets 93, Houston Rockets 87
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#2 sircharles

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:33 AM

i felt like i was watching the cleveland indians at the begining of there season in the first major league movie

https://www.youtube....h?v=rBsvuoQMmuo
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#3 Bigtkirk

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:00 PM

This team is going to struggle in the half-court offense for awhile. At one point late in the first half last night, they had become so frustrated that they were posting up Asik in their half-court offense. That's not a good sign, at least at this stage of Asik's offensive development.

IMHO, it remains absurd that D Mo and Jones have not seen a stitch of playing time yet. With each passing game, it becomes clearer that McHale is not the right coach for developing this team.
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#4 sircharles

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

Hopefully harden now knows to never throw a alley oop to asik.
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#5 Stephen

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

Consequences of failed and successful trades.

In pursuing Dwight the Rockets assumed they were going to have to give up a lot of their front court depth and that they would end up taking J-Rich on.
This would have left them w/a wing depth of Parsons,Delfino(who they were pursuing for a while),Morris,Richardson and either Lamb or a resigned Lee.

Instead the Rockets ended up trading for Harden,while losing both their SGs and keeping all their bigs.
They've ended up w/Parsons,Morris,Delfino,Harden and an undersized Cook. W/the late Pre-Season injuries to Pat,Jones and Motie's infection,the team needed Morris at the 4.
Essentially the team's wings have been whittled down to three players.

With Douglas' inability to run any semblance of an offense,McHale either has to go w/Machado(who has shown zero ability to defend NBA players or any reliable outside shot) or keep Parsons or Harden on the floor w/second unit. The more time the two spend on the second unit is less time they spend on the court together.
This is where the Livingston decision is coming back to bite the Rockets. While Shaun has his own pretty strong limitations,the team could use run him and Douglas out there together,letting Livingston run offense while Douglas could defend PGs and jack up shots.

The dilemma for McHale and the Rookies is if he plays Motie,White or Jones,it does nothing to help his wings rotation. Until Douglas gets whacked by a get-a-clue-stick,the second unit need somebody to steady them and run some basic offense.
If he plays Morris at the 3(or Jones),he's either removed Delfino,his one half-way reliable 3pt shooter from his rotation or is counting on Douglas to set up Morris,Delfino and the back-up bigs.
The only viable solution w/the current roster is for either Douglas to completely change what he has been in his career to date,Jones becoming a not-wacky Lamar Odom,White to be astonishing in practices-or bite the bullet and go with an undrafted rookie PG,w/no defense and hope your back-up bigs can stop opposing PGs from doing too much damage inside.

I hate to blame a player for being who he is,but Douglas is simply not the right back-up PG for this Rockets team. The Rockets either need to add a play-making wing and allow Douglas to be who he is,or they need to replace him on the court w/a PG who is an actual PG.
If the former,the rookies will stay buried on the bench as Aldrich has looked like a capable back-up C(shocking me!),Pat has been very steady and Morris has been adequate as the back-up 4.(And if you yank Morris after one bad game,his confidence will be shot and he'll be useless going forward.)
If they go to a play-making PG,then you can run Morris and Defino out as the wings,freeing up minutes for the rookies at PF.
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#6 Mario Peña

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

I like a lot of your points and assumptions Stephen. Top and bottom, players on the roster including the rookies never play in a vacuum but always with the rest of the roster in real line ups that have to work out in practices first. I could be wrong but I can only assume at this very very early point of the season and considering you have to throw out the preseason since Harden is now here that the rookies riding the bench have not translated their upside into success in practice yet. Realistically maybe one of them cracks the rotation in December or January. We are just 4 games in, just 4 games people.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

Last night was my first chance to watch the new rockets, and I literally smacked my head at least three times in the first half. Hopefully familiarity will fix the bobbled passes problem.
Just throwing this out there: Delfino fits better with the starting unit than Parsons. Parsons is a much better playmaker, but when he is on the floor with Lin and Harden, he needs to catch kick-out passes and shoot with confidence. He is still the closest thing we have to a wing-stopper, but until he becomes a 3-point threat, Lin and Harden will suffer. Also, Delfino is the new Steve Novak for Lin.
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#8 Chichos

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

Playing Delfino as a starter takes a lot of foot speed off the court. Now you have Lin, Harden, and Delfino trading off the wing assignments. I agree in half court sets Delfino's shooting keeps the other team more honest, but we will get torched on defense. We need Parsons to calm down and bury some open 3s. It will happen eventually. Once Lin and Parson make a couple the half court offense will look better.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

(speaking of parsons / 3s) how about we just stop shooing so many damn 3s altogether? and what happened to being "up-tempo, run-and-gun" ?? am i not mistaken that thats how we were going to play? i havent watched every min of every game, but i dont recall seeing much of that. seems like we bring it up fairly slow. set up in the half court. pass it around. maybe drive in then dish out for a 3 that we miss.
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#10 Mario Peña

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

On Parsons I am torn ( in that Battier kind of way, I know ya'll remember that). I like all the glue guy stuff, the hustling but shooting five 3's a game so far at a 25% clip is not going to contribute to many Rockets' wins. I guess I will have to wait and see if it's a slump or if starts taking less shots or what.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

Since the addition of Harden, these guys have had zero time together on the court with the new leader (was there an old leader?). Regardless, at this point and probably for the rest of the season we will have to enjoy the comedy of errors.

Parsons is NOT a shooter in any sense of the word and may not ever be, his form is consistently ugly and inconsistent and will take a bout of amnesia for him to relearn proper form. However, as said below our offense would suffer if we switched Delfino and his roles due to the preference for speed, and our defense would doubly suffer in such a situation. It's Lin who really needs to polish up on his shot, his form is fine.

I think Asik could be really effective working from the elbow in a Hayes-like fashion. I realize he cant score but he seems to be an adept passer, and if all the motion opens up the lane he should make a few layups.

We need to try anyone at PG besides Douglas in my opinion.

If it wasn't for Parsons, Patterson and Asik playing good interior defense we'd be 0-4 right now.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

I think the shooting in general will improve. They aren't working together well to get good shots, and as such everyone has a bad percentage. Three point land looks the worst partially because that's where you try to bail yourself out of rig stymied on offense.

The missed open shots are a different story, though. Those are just barf.
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