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@  slick shoes : (20 November 2018 - 06:56 PM) Any of you guys intrigued by Otto Porter Jr.? I know he has a pretty steep price tag but we were going to give up four first rounders and two players anyway....
@  redfaithful : (19 November 2018 - 09:26 AM) Crazy season: the difference in the L column between the first in the west (4 teams with 5 Ls) to #11-13 (3 teams with 8 Ls) is only 3...
@  Mario Peña : (16 November 2018 - 02:36 AM) That’s cool!
@  DenverRocket : (15 November 2018 - 10:46 PM) It was awesome. My boys loved it, got Clint's autograph, and lots of high fives by the tunnel.
@  Mario Peña : (14 November 2018 - 09:48 PM) I’m sure that was a great game to see live!
@  slick shoes : (14 November 2018 - 01:30 PM) I believe Talib took the jersey home. Looks like the ball is starting to finally go in for the boys in red. Couldn't have come soon enough.
@  DenverRocket : (14 November 2018 - 06:48 AM) Just back from Pepsi Center. James simply took over and put them away in the second half.He put on the show for Von Miller, Talib and I believe Todd Gurley. One of them got his jersey at the end ;-)
@  Mario Peña : (12 November 2018 - 10:33 AM) Looks like Melo is gone.
@  DenverRocket : (10 November 2018 - 06:44 PM) We can stop waiting on Jimmy now. Off to Philly.
@  slick shoes : (09 November 2018 - 04:14 PM) I never imagined that Trevor was such an integral part of our offense. What a drop off from him to Melo.
@  Mario Peña : (09 November 2018 - 03:39 AM) The Rockets get a test in the form of OKC minus Westbrook and they fall flat on their faces.
@  DenverRocket : (06 November 2018 - 02:43 AM) Much better effort tonight. Finally feeling more positive!
@  DenverRocket : (05 November 2018 - 09:10 PM) Much needed. Fingers crossed he can work with what we've got ;)
@  thejohnnygold : (05 November 2018 - 07:32 PM) YESSSSSS!!!!!
@  slick shoes : (05 November 2018 - 05:33 PM) Bzdelik is back!!!
@  Mario Peña : (31 October 2018 - 02:37 AM) Everyone except for Tucker, CP3 and Melo look like they are giving inconsistent effort, James and Clint included.
@  DenverRocket : (31 October 2018 - 01:55 AM) Literally unwatchable so far this season :(
@  slick shoes : (23 October 2018 - 05:28 PM) Nice to see D'Antoni giving the young guys real minutes early on this season.
@  Mario Peña : (23 October 2018 - 05:04 PM) MCW is getting the start according to Feigan.
@  thejohnnygold : (22 October 2018 - 02:02 PM) The Rockets may be 1-2 right now, but the Thunder and Lakers are a combined 0-5 :)

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#1 thejohnnygold

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:05 PM

I figure we can use this thread as a general off season thread to get us to October.

 

While the odds aren't looking good for us to get LBJ or PG-13, there are a lot of other possibilities out there--some good, many bad, all worth discussing.

 

I'll get to my favorite in a second, but first, it's becoming tradition:

 

"Steve Kyler: Undrafted Louisville forward Deng Adel will play Summer League with the Houston Rockets, might be one of the best-undrafted defenders in the class."

 

Apparently, Morey is convinced that if we take every Louisville forward one of them will work out.   :lol: 

 

I still wish we had Harrell--really liked him.  Maybe we can get him back.

 

Now, let's dive into some off season fun.

 

Who thinks we'd be better off with....Carmelo Anthony.   :huh: 

 

You know OKC doesn't want him and they are in desperate need of outside shooting.  We could send them Ryno and sign+trade Ariza to make the deal work.  We get 1 year of Melo (who then comes off the books in a year with a sterling FA class).  He might still have something left and I still think he is a small-ball option at center that, if engaged, would be a nightmare.  Imagine Draymond with a sweet shooting stroke.  I know, Melo hasn't been Melo in some time, but worst case scenario is we free up $28M in cap space for next season.

 

Meanwhile, we ditch Ryno who has fallen out of the rotation and you can't pay someone $20M to ride the pine.  Odds are we weren't keeping Ariza so the sign+trade works for him.

 

OKC would be intriguing next year.  Picture Westbrook, PG-13 (who seems likely to stay put), Ariza, Anderson, and Steven Adams along with P-Pat, Roberson, Jerami Grant, etc.  That's a very strong defensive team and now the 3 pt. shooting is starting to come around.

 

I'm sure I'll catch a lot of flack for even mentioning Carmelo's name, but it's more for the fun of the conversation.  I'd be willing to roll the dice considering the cost/benefit of it all.

 

Another interesting acquisition could be Eric Bledsoe.  I believe Milwaukee wants to move him and I think we could get him straight up for Ariza (sign+trade).  Milwaukee loves length and Ariza gives them another lanky defender who can space the floor.

 

Brogdon, Snell, Ariza, Middleton, and Antetokounmpo is a fascinating line-up.  Plus, they've got Maker, Henson, and possibly Jabari Parker (though they might pass due to his injury history).  I really think they are the right coach away from giving the East serious competition.

 

Bledsoe gives us a solid bench captain who can help alleviate the "let-down" when Harden/CP3 aren't on the floor.  He's all about getting to the rim, drawing fouls, and can shoot the 3 well enough (when assisted, he is lethal from the corners).

 

Ignoring the LBJ/PG stuff, the Rockets still have issues to resolve this off season.  Namely: Ryno and Ariza...and a little bit CP3.  Further, I have little doubt someone doesn't offer Capela a hefty contract just to mess with us.

 

It's gonna be a long Summer....what's everyone else thinking?


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 01:36 PM

The NBA awards finally happened.  I don't know about you all, but it feels pretty ho-hum having our star player bring home the MVP.  On top of that, Morey finally got the recognition he has deserved for quite some time and all I can think is 'yawn'.  Don't get me wrong...I'm happy for them...I guess it just felt like this was so long in the making that it was already decided in my head.

 

Maybe this is a key to unlocking the real potential of this squad.  Now that all the personal things are achieved everyone can really, truly lock in on the ultimate goal.

 

I think Morey still has 1 more ace up his sleeve...can't wait to see what it is.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:42 PM

Melo for Anderson is a no brainer for us, they're basically the same player at this point but that extra year for Ryno is a killer. Bledsoe was hot garbage in the playoffs last year, even if it means only trading Ariza Im not convinced he's a guy that helps teams win.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 08:39 PM

Melo for Anderson is a no brainer for us, they're basically the same player at this point but that extra year for Ryno is a killer. Bledsoe was hot garbage in the playoffs last year, even if it means only trading Ariza Im not convinced he's a guy that helps teams win.

 

My hope is he would excel playing against 2nd stringers and be able to help Gordon get some open looks.  I'm thinking if he is our 5th or 6th best player then we're doing pretty good.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 12:48 AM

I'd have to agree with cooper. If we are able to keep Luc (don't see that happening) then maybe an ariza/bledsoe swap would be okay.....but w/o Luc we need ariza. Even still....I think for 15 mil salary slot there are better options out there.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 11:07 AM

This is precisely what this Site has chosen to become..........So Sad, Oh Well...........


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#7 thejohnnygold

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 01:21 PM

This is precisely what this Site has chosen to become..........So Sad, Oh Well...........

 

Well some of us are making an effort and some of us, well...some of us just like to complain rather than contribute.  It's fine if you disagree with me or someone else.  We welcome any other opinions; in fact, sometimes I throw stuff out just to try and get the ball rolling without fully agreeing with it myself.

 

I'm not sure where it went wrong, but it seems to me two things happened: First, we put our foot down and refused to succumb to the vitriol spewing blow-hards who can't be bothered with distinguishing fact from fiction that populate most boards.  Second, Rahat moved his posts to Twitter and Disqus which is like Disneyworld for vitriol spewing blow hards who can't be bothered with distinguishing fact from fiction.

 

Turns out, the demographic for people who actually want to have intelligent, fun, civil discourse without the name-calling, hate-slinging, etc. aspect is very small.

 

I'll say this much: coming here every two weeks to denounce those of us who are still around while contributing little else is about as hypocritical as it gets.  Be the change, Rick...Be the change...

 

Moving on...I saw yesterday that Morey & Co. are pushing to swap the order of free agency and the draft.  It's interesting.  I think I would prefer that; although, I'm sure it will present it's own issues if implemented.  I think regarding stars and top tier talent it helps teams make better draft decisions; however, this might also further propagate what is becoming an increasingly obvious chasm between teams that are actually trying to win and those who are trying to lose.  I don't know, but I think it is worth trying it out for a few years.

 

Look at Charlotte.  Kemba, Dwight, Batum, Marvin Williams, Jeremy Lamb, Monk, Kaminsky, Gilchrist...a good coach should be able to squeeze out a playoff berth from that squad in the East.  Rather than add and try to compete, Charlotte is clearly looking to tear it down and rebuild.  Getting rid of Dwight is not a bad idea, but to trade Kemba tells me they are throwing in the towel.  Another East doormat for the next 2-3 years.

 

Who knows, maybe they can make some quality trades and turn it around faster...Batum has value.  Kemba has value.  Gilchrist to the right team could work.  Hernangomez is a player I think they should try to develop.  I'm not sold on Monk yet, but I could be wrong.


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#8 Mario Peña

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 02:30 PM

I have also given thought to a Melo Ryno swap in some form but I don’t think Presti would do that right? If George leaves then Melo’s potential value may increase and Presti could garner more before the trade deadline. I wonder how Anthony would respond to being on a team with Paul. I don’t teally think it’s realistic but then again what do I know?
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Posted 27 June 2018 - 07:48 PM

Chase Budinger still available?
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Posted 27 June 2018 - 07:55 PM

I have also given thought to a Melo Ryno swap in some form but I don’t think Presti would do that right? If George leaves then Melo’s potential value may increase and Presti could garner more before the trade deadline. I wonder how Anthony would respond to being on a team with Paul. I don’t teally think it’s realistic but then again what do I know?

 

Yeah, it's probably far-fetched for a lot of reasons.  One, 'Melo and D'Antoni didn't exactly set the world on fire in New York.  I also agree that Presti doesn't do this deal for Ryno alone, but is more likely interested in Ariza who is a little bit of Paul George insurance plus he makes Roberson expendable in a potential trade since he can't shoot to save his life.  The problem there is I imagine Charlotte has MKG on the trade block too.  That's two defense only wings on the market at the same time and does any team really want either one?

 

I have no idea what to expect in FA for us, or any team really.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:12 PM

I have also given thought to a Melo Ryno swap in some form but I don’t think Presti would do that right? If George leaves then Melo’s potential value may increase and Presti could garner more before the trade deadline. I wonder how Anthony would respond to being on a team with Paul. I don’t teally think it’s realistic but then again what do I know?

 

I could see him doing it because they need 3pt shooting really badly (and thats ryno's adv. over carmelo). But the extra year is a lot. Interestingly I think it be more likely if PG13 stays (cause then your in win now mode and the money matters less) versus if he leaves (why take the extra year).

 

@JG Yeah I think it be interesting to try the swap of FA and draft at the very least. Lowe's article says its not just he rockets (evidently been floated around in circles before) but we are the first to 'formally' propose it to league. So, it could actually get a chance to be voted. Does anyone know if they can do it before the next CBA, like is it part of the agreement or up to league office?


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 11:35 PM

Chase Budinger still available?

 

I believe Terrence Jones is available...he had so much potential (I suppose he still does).  Also, D-Mo fared pretty well in China....just sayin'...

 

 

I could see him doing it because they need 3pt shooting really badly (and thats ryno's adv. over carmelo). But the extra year is a lot. Interestingly I think it be more likely if PG13 stays (cause then your in win now mode and the money matters less) versus if he leaves (why take the extra year).

 

@JG Yeah I think it be interesting to try the swap of FA and draft at the very least. Lowe's article says its not just he rockets (evidently been floated around in circles before) but we are the first to 'formally' propose it to league. So, it could actually get a chance to be voted. Does anyone know if they can do it before the next CBA, like is it part of the agreement or up to league office?

 

I have no idea and I doubt anything happens quickly.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:48 PM

In all seriousness, if we miss out on LeBron (which is looking more likely with his opt-out today), and we miss out on PG-13, how would you guys feel about kicking the tires on Demarcus Cousins and letting Capela walk? Would a CP3-Harden-Cousins combo be better than what we have now? The achilles injury certainly is alarming, but doesn’t the reward outweigh the risk here? I’d feel pretty comfortable giving him a max at 28 years old, especially when he doesn’t rely on athleticism. I also think Cousins would be dominate against GS, something Capela cannot, and it would open up the gates for our shooters even more in that potential match up again. Isn’t preparing for this and having the utmost advantage in that series the end game here?
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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:52 PM

On offense I like it a lot. He can shoot, pass and post. On defense though he can't switch at all even before the injury (which will only slow him down). I be torn, it depend on how much capela gets moneywise. But we won't have the cap space anyways if we keep paul and ariza, so capela would be the only option.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 09:02 PM

In all seriousness, if we miss out on LeBron (which is looking more likely with his opt-out today), and we miss out on PG-13, how would you guys feel about kicking the tires on Demarcus Cousins and letting Capela walk? Would a CP3-Harden-Cousins combo be better than what we have now? The achilles injury certainly is alarming, but doesn’t the reward outweigh the risk here? I’d feel pretty comfortable giving him a max at 28 years old, especially when he doesn’t rely on athleticism. I also think Cousins would be dominate against GS, something Capela cannot, and it would open up the gates for our shooters even more in that potential match up again. Isn’t preparing for this and having the utmost advantage in that series the end game here?

 

It's a tough call--and one that I have definitely thought about.

 

On one hand, you are absolutely right that Cousins at full strength is a force to be reckoned with and gives us an edge at Center versus just about every single team.  He comes with chemistry questions and there is the question about him being a "winner" which is hard to argue when looking at the evidence.

 

CP3, Harden, Gordon, Tucker, Cousins?  Yeah, I can get down with that.

 

On the flip side, Capela still has lots of upside and showed he's already an elite defensive presence with potential to emerge offensively.  I'm not saying he can become a legit stretch 5, but does he need to?  I think a solid 15 footer would be fine.  Where Capela shines is his ability to defend the perimeter AND the rim.  Not many players can boast that.  I still remember Capela swatting Towns' shots in round 1, going toe-to toe with Gobert in round 2, and picking Curry's pocket on the perimeter on round 3.

 

He's an elite "role player" in that he doesn't need to have a single play called for him nor have the ball in his hands in order to contribute and make a difference on the court.

 

In terms of cap management, I'm not certain, but I'm guessing a max deal for him runs in the $26M range for 4 years.  (Apparently, he can earn up to 25% of the salary cap).  Conversely, Cousins' price tag would be around $30M/year.

 

My main concern is fit.  With playmakers like CP3, Harden, and Gordon Capela thrives.  With Cousins, we would be just as well off with Patrick Beverley as we would with CP3.  You just have to get the ball into his hands and then set up for a kick-out 3.

 

I'm still more enamored with the idea of adding another wing playmaker and keeping Capela.  If Morey brought Cousins in I wouldn't complain.  It's a bold move and it shows we're pushing all of our chips into the middle.  It would be tough watching Capela play in his prime on another team (unless we win it all).

 

If we can nab Tyreke Evans plus JJ Redick I think our offense goes from Juggernaut-Level to Dreadnaught  :o.

 

Imagine a second unit comprised of Gordon, Redick, Evans, Gerald Green plus a big.  Yeah, they are going to trounce most second units.

 

Sorry, I'm easily distracted.  I think Cousins winds up in Dallas and makes them a very interesting team.  We retain Capela. B)


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:02 AM

Capela is better than Boogie and his Achilles is not surgically reattached.


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 01:53 PM

Melo for Anderson is a no brainer for us, they're basically the same player at this point but that extra year for Ryno is a killer. Bledsoe was hot garbage in the playoffs last year, even if it means only trading Ariza Im not convinced he's a guy that helps teams win.

 

First of all, we cannot trade a free agent like Ariza which is why he signed for $15 million to play this season in Phoenix.

 

Secondly, OKC is facing like an $80-$90 million luxury tax bill this season with Carmelo PLUS his salary. Carmelo is only under contract for this season. Whereas Ryan Anderson is making a small amount less than Carmelo and has 2 seasons left. So why in the world is a smartly managed team like OKC going to pay $80-$90 milliion in luxury tax 2 seasons in row if they trade Carmelo to Houston for Ryan Anderson?

 

And as a hardcore fan of the NBA, OKC will be just fine going forward without either/or Carmelo or Ryan Anderson.

 

Just my .02 cents worth.


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