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@  Mario Peña : (23 June 2018 - 02:50 AM) Oh no! What can this CP leak be about?
@  thejohnnygold : (20 June 2018 - 04:44 PM) It's probably LA trying to drive the asking price down ;)
@  Mario Peña : (19 June 2018 - 09:37 PM) I wonder who is leaking the injury concerns regarding Kawhi. That can’t be good for him if they get any traction.
@  thejohnnygold : (16 June 2018 - 04:45 PM) I doubt anyone says no to Kawhi, but reports are he wants to go to LA.
@  rocketrick : (16 June 2018 - 12:07 PM) Kawhi Leonard? Just wondering as this site continues to fade away..........
@  rocketrick : (10 June 2018 - 09:35 AM) Up for Debate. It is OK. The Author has some interesting points in his commentary but this Rockets site is dying because apparently the author is also thin skinned and not willing to open up further discussion.
@  Losthief : (09 June 2018 - 03:37 AM) I think that was a forbes article...i don't know the rules for copy pasting it wholesale...but im guessing not allowed.
@  rocketrick : (07 June 2018 - 11:17 PM) Still don't see the Capela article but I will comment on that if that should ever appear to comment upon. Still, Capela averaging a double/double with a number of highlight reel blocked shots during the series, well, I am still speechless what the author attempted to convey regarding Capela. He certainly didn't cause us to lose to the Warriors by any stretch......
@  thejohnnygold : (06 June 2018 - 03:15 PM) Got ya fixed, Rick. FYI, you can create these posts as well. Just start a new topic and copy+paste the article text.
@  rocketrick : (05 June 2018 - 07:47 PM) Speechless
@  rocketrick : (05 June 2018 - 07:46 PM) Who only averaged a double-double during the 7 game slugfest
@  rocketrick : (05 June 2018 - 07:46 PM) What an author states in an article..... in this case regarding Capela
@  rocketrick : (05 June 2018 - 07:45 PM) Once again I am aghast at the fact I do not have the opportunity on this site to discuss what an article author states.
@  thejohnnygold : (02 June 2018 - 03:58 PM) Got you all set up, Rick. Fire away on Ariza!
@  rocketrick : (01 June 2018 - 01:49 PM) I have some comments and ideas about Rahat's article on Trevor Ariza but unfortunately that is no longer possible directly on this site...Rahat's article on "The Challenges in Playing Trevor Ariza"
@  DenverRocket : (29 May 2018 - 04:26 PM) So disappointed, but I agree, great effort. To even be that close despite losing CP3, experiencing such a massive statistical outlier from 3 and some very questionable officiating calls, is just crazy. I feel bad, my youngest was heartbroken going to bed. I told him we'll be back next year :-)
@  rocketrick : (29 May 2018 - 11:30 AM) IMO, the Rockets are clearly on the right track. Like D'Antoni stated in his presser after Game 7, make a few tweeks and let's go again
@  rocketrick : (29 May 2018 - 11:27 AM) Just guessing, so 80% of the time the home team wins Game 7 in the NBA and 99.99% of the time NBA teams don't go 0/27 on 3 pointers. So combine those odds along with the fact CP3 is injured.........
@  rocketrick : (29 May 2018 - 11:25 AM) Looking forward to seeing Nate Silver's statistical breakdown of the Rockets tragic 3 point shooting on his 538 site later today or tomorrow
@  redfaithful : (29 May 2018 - 07:10 AM) Indeed great season, too bad it ended due to injury. First time in very long time that someone made the Warriors look vulnarable

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#1 thejohnnygold

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 03:58 PM

The challenges in playing Trevor Ariza

by RAHAT HUQ | MAY 30, 2018 at 08:06 PM

From The Ringer:

Ariza had a minuscule playoff usage rate of 13.5. He can’t take defenders off the dribble, he’s not an effective post scorer, and he doesn’t shoot off of movement. Ariza depends entirely on Harden, Paul, and Eric Gordon to create shots for him, which puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the Rockets’ lead ball handlers when they are playing an elite defense like the Warriors. The math was difficult for Houston in the series, even before Paul went down with a hamstring injury in Game 5, because it had no one else who could create offense.

 

This was a great piece today from The Ringer diving into the numbers on Trevor Ariza’s offensive inabilities. It’s a topic I’ve gone in on repeatedly in the past, and a sensitive one at that, given the emotional connection cultivated through his longevity. Ariza is in some ways the heart and soul of this team, now the sole holdover on this roster from James Harden’s debut season, aside from Harden himself. It’s hard to imagine this team without Ariza, and that sentiment is more strongly asserted given his defensive efforts in the postseason. He was all-world in the grand scheme of Houston’s defensive scheme, and left everything he had on the hardwood. But it was once unfathomable too to consider life after Patrick Beverley.

Ariza’s problem is that there is very little he does well on offense. He can’t punish smaller defenders inside, he can’t create on his own, and he can’t score in motion; he’s a volume shooter who also isn’t particularly great at attacking close-outs. Maybe none of this matters in a world where Chris Paul is healthy. But I can’t help but imagine the Rockets with another perimeter player with a shred of self-reliance offensively. Maybe that’s odd considering Houston was at one point flirting with the best offensive rating in the league. I guess that sort of self-evaluation is what a matchup with Golden State merits.


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#2 rocketrick

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 08:39 PM

C'mon Dude, You are better than this. That was not the author's article, just a reference and ..... etc.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 03:32 PM

C'mon Dude, You are better than this. That was not the author's article, just a reference and ..... etc.

 

Not sure what you mean...I copied and pasted the text from the article "as is".  Is there a different article you were referring to?  Perhaps the formatting has confused you?  Yes, he uses a block quote from the Ringer to start the article, but I'm pretty sure those are Huq's words after.  I've edited it to look better.

 

Either way, if you've got something to say about Ariza this seems like the right time and place...


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Posted 07 June 2018 - 06:55 AM

When the Pelicans lost to the Warriors in the second round I thought "if they had Paul George they would have been scary...". After the WCF loss, a similar thought came up regarding the Rockets.

 

Don't know if PG is interested or if DM can pull this off, but with all respect and fondness of Ariza, having PG instead of him means an extra player that can create his own shot that was so missing when CP3 went down, without much sacrifice on the defensive end.

 

Best thing will be to have both Ariza and PG, but that's probably undoable.

 

My 2 cents...


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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:55 PM

I completely agree with redfaithful. Of course if the Rockets can obtain the services of Paul George, that would likely end Trevor Ariza in Houston unless he agreed to a very favorable Rocket contract going forward to stay.

 

Which is possible, after all, Trevor Ariza has the advantage of having the complete trust of James Harden and Chris Paul. Just compare that with the Cleveland situation, LeBron basically trusts nobody (except maybe JR Smith).

 

We can discuss numbers and all of that ad nauseum. What truly counts is the trust factor with the leaders (Harden and CP3) which Trevor Ariza clearly has.

 

Not much else to discuss regarding Trevor Ariza in my opinion, but I will listen. Hey, if Harden and CP3 love Ariza, we should not doubt them, OK? 


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 12:13 AM

There’s a report out there by Kelly Iko of the Rockets Wire that Trevor Ariza is looking for a contract between $50-60 million over 4-5 years. This is a pretty significant increase compared to his expired contract of $32 million over 4 years, especially considering what we’re trying to accomplish this summer. Paying Ariza $12+ million into his mid and late 30s doesn’t sound like something I’d sign up for. Looks like Ariza’s time in a Rockets uniform might be over.
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Posted 17 June 2018 - 07:20 PM

There’s a report out there by Kelly Iko of the Rockets Wire that Trevor Ariza is looking for a contract between $50-60 million over 4-5 years. This is a pretty significant increase compared to his expired contract of $32 million over 4 years, especially considering what we’re trying to accomplish this summer. Paying Ariza $12+ million into his mid and late 30s doesn’t sound like something I’d sign up for. Looks like Ariza’s time in a Rockets uniform might be over.

 

I have to agree.  I'd very much like to retain Trevor, but we must always be mindful of the salary cap.  Trevor brings a lot to the table...I guess we'll see how much Morey & Co. value that.


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