I disagree about the Rockets overachieving. I think they're performing as expected. I didn't think that Harden was a superstar already(I figured 2 years to get there) but now that he has shown how good he is, I think they are an 8th seed.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:35 PM
Why so Serious? 
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:57 PM
They are overachieving. The stat geniuses at ESPN had the Rockets as the second to worse team in the West before the Harden trade, winning 25 games. Then when the Harden trade happened they were suppose to pick up 8-10 wins.
Morey is the best thing that has happened to the Rockets. In the first full offseason since Yao Ming retired, he got the star he had being pushing for. He has turned second round picks into our starting 3 and a promising young 4. He turned a expiring contract and Carl Landry into Royce White and James Harden.
Morey is the best thing that has happened to the Rockets. In the first full offseason since Yao Ming retired, he got the star he had being pushing for. He has turned second round picks into our starting 3 and a promising young 4. He turned a expiring contract and Carl Landry into Royce White and James Harden.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:51 PM
I disagree about the Rockets overachieving. I think they're performing as expected. I didn't think that Harden was a superstar already(I figured 2 years to get there) but now that he has shown how good he is, I think they are an 8th seed.
They are overachieving. The stat geniuses at ESPN had the Rockets as the second to worse team in the West before the Harden trade, winning 25 games. Then when the Harden trade happened they were suppose to pick up 8-10 wins.
I think the truth lies somewhere between the two. Certainly we are doing better than people expected at the start of the season, in part because nobody knew just how good Harden would be. But even when you recalculate expectations factoring that in, I still think the team is overachieving. It's easy to forget that this is the youngest team in the league given how mature they are playing at times. While there have been the occasional blips (eg. that seven game losing streak), for the most part I've felt like the team has been far more consistent than we've any right to expect from a team with so little NBA experience. Most players on the team have massively expanded roles from the previous season, and have stepped up admirably. If that doesn't count as overachieving, I don't know what does.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:14 AM
They are overachieving. The stat geniuses at ESPN had the Rockets as the second to worse team in the West before the Harden trade, winning 25 games. Then when the Harden trade happened they were suppose to pick up 8-10 wins.
Morey is the best thing that has happened to the Rockets. In the first full offseason since Yao Ming retired, he got the star he had being pushing for. He has turned second round picks into our starting 3 and a promising young 4. He turned a expiring contract and Carl Landry into Royce White and James Harden.
New Rocket fan? Morey is without a doubt and proven that he's not the best thing that has happened to the Rockets and this isn't this first full season since Yao Ming retired.
By the way, the Rockets only got Harden because Washington for some dumb reason didn't want to deal with OKC. It's not as if Morey worked his magic.
We are only the 8th seed because the Lakers can't buy a win, even so, the Lakers playing at their all time worse are only 4 games back. Our HC is god awful (just watch the Rockets games, trust me, your eyes won't lie) and makes multiple in game head scratchers. There's a reason why he ruined the Timberwolves franchise.
Also the Rockets are god awful on the road. If we get into the postseason it won't be because we are a playoff type team it's because the likes of the Lakers just couldn't get it together.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:50 AM
New Rocket fan? Morey is without a doubt and proven that he's not the best thing that has happened to the Rockets and this isn't this first full season since Yao Ming retired.
By the way, the Rockets only got Harden because Washington for some dumb reason didn't want to deal with OKC. It's not as if Morey worked his magic.
We are only the 8th seed because the Lakers can't buy a win, even so, the Lakers playing at their all time worse are only 4 games back. Our HC is god awful (just watch the Rockets games, trust me, your eyes won't lie) and makes multiple in game head scratchers. There's a reason why he ruined the Timberwolves franchise.
Also the Rockets are god awful on the road. If we get into the postseason it won't be because we are a playoff type team it's because the likes of the Lakers just couldn't get it together.
Been a fan since the early 90s. And the Lakers only got Gasol because Memphis was saving money, Boston only got KG because of the friendship between McHale and Angie, the Bulls only got Jordan because Portland drafted Bowie, OKC only got Durant because Portland drafted Oden. Teams get stars in the oddest and least prodictable way.
Yao retired in 2011, then the NBA had its lockout, thus making last summer the first full offseason morey has had without Yao.
McHale ruined Minnesota because of his personal decisions not the decisions he made as a coach. The winning percentage he had with the T-Wolves as a coach was HIGHER then when he wasn't.
The lakers are one team below them. The Rockets are better then Golden State, and the Jazz. So even giving your misguided logic that Rockets are only the 8th seed cause of the collapse of the lakers, when the Rockets pass the other two teams, they would still be the 8th seed.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:58 PM
Steven:
you can't reason with Kade
in fact I don't even know why Kade calls himself a rocket fan when he is clearly not happy with anything they do ......ever 
maybe he loves to hate them of something.
you can't reason with Kade
in fact I don't even know why Kade calls himself a rocket fan when he is clearly not happy with anything they do ......ever maybe he loves to hate them of something.you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own 
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:00 PM
Doesn't matter. Hakeem is the best thing that has happened to the rockets. 
Morey's job is to get us back...I'd say we are headed that way. It may not be until 4-5 years from now. Trades happen. Power shifts. Stars fade. Timing is everything. Luck matters. So cross your fingers and enjoy the ride!
BTW, I still think one of the greatest travesties of all time (regarding NBA) is that Hakeem and Jordan never went head to head in the finals. Bulls had no one that could have contained him back then. Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, and.....not much else. Hakeem was abusing Robinson, Shaq, Ewing, and everyone else...imagine what he does to them....Alas....
Morey's job is to get us back...I'd say we are headed that way. It may not be until 4-5 years from now. Trades happen. Power shifts. Stars fade. Timing is everything. Luck matters. So cross your fingers and enjoy the ride!
BTW, I still think one of the greatest travesties of all time (regarding NBA) is that Hakeem and Jordan never went head to head in the finals. Bulls had no one that could have contained him back then. Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, and.....not much else. Hakeem was abusing Robinson, Shaq, Ewing, and everyone else...imagine what he does to them....Alas....
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:06 PM
That there's a no win situation from you. Morey offers too much, then well obviously that's a problem. Morey offers too little, then you get to just call him lucky because some other team could have done better, which frankly is going to be true in nearly all circumstances especially since the Rockets don't have advantages like the Heat or Lakers or whomever does.By the way, the Rockets only got Harden because Washington for some dumb reason didn't want to deal with OKC. It's not as if Morey worked his magic.
Fact is that five months after it, the Harden trade right now looks like one of the most lopsided deals in the NBA in a long, long time. We got at worst a top 10 player and a legitimate case can be made for him being top 5, have him locked for 6 years at the age of 23...and what'd we give up? A shooting guard who wasn't going to be here past this season anyways, the 11th pick in a bad draft, another pick which won't be realized for 6 years, and a young player who has played 64 minutes this season. That's just insane.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:05 AM
can't argue too much with that....Lamb may wind up being pretty good, but it's the bird in the hand vs. 2 in the bush argument.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:16 PM
I must say that I am young, and didn't get to enjoy the chamionship years (I was 5 & 6 years old), but this is the most excited I have been about the team since the Yao McGrady days. We are young, talented, and have the cap space to work with. I honestly thought we were going to be subpar this season, even after the Harden trade. I figured it would take time to mesh, and we would start slow finish strong. Ending somewhere around 5 games under .500. I have been pleasantly surprised, and am enjoying the ride. I'll admit the 7 game skid was a little rough, but overall what can I complain about?
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:22 PM
I guess I'm the only one who thinks we're not over or underachieving. I just think Harden's played like a top 7 player in the NBA and Lin/Parsons/Asik have been solid starters. I think we're an 8th seed. Lebron took a worse supporting cast to the NBA Finals, so I think an 8th seed is not too much to expect for a player of Harden's talent with this supporting cast.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:59 PM
considering how young we are? YES we are overachieving. lebron took a team laden with vets to the finals. players who had already proved their worth with other teams. on the other hand many of our players are proving for the 1 time that they deserve to be starters in the league......ie asik, lin and harden in a alpha dog role in addition ppat and mm and parson...young players carving a career out in the league. so yeah we are overachieving. if you look at any writer who wrote an artical at the beginning of the year about the rockets even after the harden trade we were expected to fight trying to stay out of the cellar not be fighting for a playoff spot. I would call that overachievingI guess I'm the only one who thinks we're not over or underachieving. I just think Harden's played like a top 7 player in the NBA and Lin/Parsons/Asik have been solid starters. I think we're an 8th seed. Lebron took a worse supporting cast to the NBA Finals, so I think an 8th seed is not too much to expect for a player of Harden's talent with this supporting cast.
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:41 AM
I relooked at the ESPN the Rockets were suppose to 18 wins this year (before Harden). That's the second worst projected record, with only the Bobcats finishing worse. Harden gave them another 10 wins, so the Rockets won more
Games before the All-Star break then the stat geeks said they would win the entire year. I think that's overachieving.
Games before the All-Star break then the stat geeks said they would win the entire year. I think that's overachieving.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:42 PM
I don't think any of the three mentioned should be fired.
Royce White is young, athletic, and prone to making some bone-headed decisions. I'm fine with riding out his contract for the next year or two to see if he can put his talents to use. If he doesn't pan out and ends up quitting basketball, at least we aren't spending lots of money on him and we won't be that team that gives up on a guy too early only to see him flourish elsewhere. Maybe it all goes south, but I don't think it makes sense to cut ties now.
I understand that I don't know enough about coaching to be super insightful, but I think McHale is doing alright with what he has been given: a team that last year was more a collection of assets than a cohesive unit and this year an incredibly young squad, including a superstar thrown into the mix at the last minute. He's had to deal with players being dangled as trade bait, including stars from last year that were traded then untraded. He has had to bend his coaching philosophy to better fit what Morey is building, which would probably be difficult for any coach on some level. I know McHale isn't considered a great coach. Many might rank him in the bottom 50% of NBA coaches. But he's done pretty dang well with the hand he's been dealt, and I still think his ability to coach up a talented big could prove very important in the coming years.
Just about everything that could be said on Morey's account has already been typed by other posters, so I won't go on and on. I'll just say that last night, when word broke that Houston had made a trade, I immediately got very excited. Not just because I like shuffling players around, but because I have come to expect that when Morey makes a trade, it's a smart decision that is good for the team. I also expect people around the league to usually end up agreeing that we got a steal. I think that's a mark of a great GM, and I'm happy to have him as ours.
Royce White is young, athletic, and prone to making some bone-headed decisions. I'm fine with riding out his contract for the next year or two to see if he can put his talents to use. If he doesn't pan out and ends up quitting basketball, at least we aren't spending lots of money on him and we won't be that team that gives up on a guy too early only to see him flourish elsewhere. Maybe it all goes south, but I don't think it makes sense to cut ties now.
I understand that I don't know enough about coaching to be super insightful, but I think McHale is doing alright with what he has been given: a team that last year was more a collection of assets than a cohesive unit and this year an incredibly young squad, including a superstar thrown into the mix at the last minute. He's had to deal with players being dangled as trade bait, including stars from last year that were traded then untraded. He has had to bend his coaching philosophy to better fit what Morey is building, which would probably be difficult for any coach on some level. I know McHale isn't considered a great coach. Many might rank him in the bottom 50% of NBA coaches. But he's done pretty dang well with the hand he's been dealt, and I still think his ability to coach up a talented big could prove very important in the coming years.
Just about everything that could be said on Morey's account has already been typed by other posters, so I won't go on and on. I'll just say that last night, when word broke that Houston had made a trade, I immediately got very excited. Not just because I like shuffling players around, but because I have come to expect that when Morey makes a trade, it's a smart decision that is good for the team. I also expect people around the league to usually end up agreeing that we got a steal. I think that's a mark of a great GM, and I'm happy to have him as ours.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:30 AM
Kade:
you know I wasn't gonna let this tread slide without putting in my 2 cents
as for morey.......other than the mc hale hire he is doing a fine job(IMO). I am happy with the direction of the team.
Here is Rockets Best Fan supporting Morey back in January (other than endorsing Morey's hiring of Coach McHale, that is)
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:30 AM
Kade:
you know I wasn't gonna let this tread slide without putting in my 2 cents
as for morey.......other than the mc hale hire he is doing a fine job(IMO). I am happy with the direction of the team.
Here is Rockets Best Fan supporting Morey back in January (other than endorsing Morey's hiring of Coach McHale, that is)
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:32 PM
[Bleacher Report] How to know when a coach will be fired
I know BR doesn't have a good reputation, but I've found myself liking quite a few of their articles lately. This article makes sense to me, and I don't see McHale in any danger--unless Harden gives him the death stare soon.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:47 PM
Hey Kade... you mad bro?
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:40 PM
[Bleacher Report] How to know when a coach will be fired
I know BR doesn't have a good reputation, but I've found myself liking quite a few of their articles lately. This article makes sense to me, and I don't see McHale in any danger--unless Harden gives him the death stare soon.
Oh no way McHale is fired at the end of this season. Will his contract be extended? Right now signs point to yes, but next season more indicative.
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